Entrepreneur proposes three ways to make Admiral District more walkable. Next step, community support

(California/Admiral intersection – Google Maps Street View image)

Stu Hennessey has a dream – a walkable Admiral District.

It’s where he does business as the proprietor of Alki Bike and Board (WSB sponsor), and it’s home to an increasingly busy collection of homes and businesses, including newer apartment buildings such as Luna, Admiral Station, and Element 42, plus Lafayette Elementary, West Seattle High School, and a senior-living complex.

While The (Alaska) Junction has a “walkability score” of 98, the Admiral Junction area scores only 70, says Hennessey, who presented his ideas for fixing that to Tuesday night’s Admiral Neighborhood Association gathering.

In a written version of his presentation, he asks, “Is it our fate to have so much less walkability than the Alaska Junction? Both intersections have about the same amount of daily traffic volume. Both intersections should have the same regard for pedestrian safety. There have been plenty of pedestrian or bicycle accidents along California Ave. SW from SW Stevens to SW College St. Considering the schools, assisted-living facilities, and business storefronts, this neighborhood requires the same amount or more safety improvements to raise our walkability score to the level of the Alaska Junction. The call for better walkability is a call for economic development that will serve businesses and neighbors alike.”

(California between Admiral and Lander – Google Maps Street View image)

Here are Hennessey’s three proposals – two of which would mirror what’s in place at Alaska Junctiion:

Walk-All-Ways intersection at California/Admiral. He says, “The biggest safety concern for pedestrians crossing the streets is the right turn on red. The all-walk design would eliminate the right turn on red. Traffic-light synchronization would both keep the traffic flow from backing up and increase the mobility and safety for pedestrians with a 40-second all-walk crossing.”

Mid-block raised crossings on California between Lander and Admiral and College and Admiral. These would serve people going to and from the Admiral Theater and Admiral Safeway.

Permanently close SW Lander between California and 44th. Hennessey elaborates, “This is an often-ignored one-way and daytime-temporarily-closed street that could be used as an emergency gathering point for Lafayette School, auto-free pickup of students, and a potential event space such as a farmers’ market.”

So what would it take to make any or all of that happen? He hopes to engage everyone with a stake in the area – residents, businesses, schools, even law enforcement – to petition SDOT. Support could be voiced through a variety of feedback channels, he suggests, and shown via yard signs with a QR code as well as flyers in shop windows, all pointing to the petition.

How to pay for it? Hennessey has thought about that too: “Beyond the next transportation-plan levy, there is available federal funding, and matching grants.” Last year, he said, the feds made $5 billion “available for community-safety improvements. To date, $813 million has been granted to 385 community groups like ours.”

Hennessey is no stranger to community advocacy; he is a co-founder of Sustainable West Seattle and led the campaign to create Puget Ridge Edible Park. His next step toward a more-walkable Admiral District is to build a stakeholders group, and he suggested the ANA should be involved. President Joanie Jacobs said their board will discuss it, but first reaction was positive. Hennessey emphasized that the funding is out there – what will be needed to make any of this happen is widespread organized community effort. He expects to return to the ANA at its next general gathering in March with updates.

104 Replies to "Entrepreneur proposes three ways to make Admiral District more walkable. Next step, community support"

  • AC January 11, 2024 (9:43 pm)

    Yay Stu! Great ideas. I hadn’t thought about it but I certainly see the need for improvement. It’s very different to walk around the Admiral Junction and the Junction. I’d like to see more pedestrian safety measures. I’d also like to see something done about the parking that is allowed on the south side of Lander abutting Hiawatha. It makes walking and driving on that stretch of Lander very unsafe.  I think an improved walking area would encourage dinner and a movie or a little shopping at the small business stores in the area. I love the idea of a Farmer’s Market! 

  • Nicole January 11, 2024 (9:59 pm)

    Yes!  Sign me up!

  • Mr J January 11, 2024 (10:05 pm)

    It would be great to have walkable communities that are safe, but people are too car focused to give this a shot and re-work all roads. Why, because it slows them down and keeps them off their phones. Just read the comments from the road diet on 35th. Commenters were up in arms that they should slow down because people had been killed on that stretch of road. 

  • Alki resident January 11, 2024 (10:09 pm)

    I’ve been here all of my life and don’t see why we need to invest any money in something that’s not broken. Leave the streets alone and keep the turn on red available. No reason why people need to wait an entire light routine in order to turn on a red light. 

    • miws January 11, 2024 (10:36 pm)

      A R, There’s no reason pedestrians, crossing legally with the “WALK” signal, need to risk their lives so that drivers can blast into the pedestrian’s  crosswalk to take their precious right turn on red. —Mike 

    • Mike January 11, 2024 (10:40 pm)

      I agree, I’ve never had any issues walking around Admiral.  Adequate parking, it’s lacking that.

    • Also John January 12, 2024 (5:50 am)

      AR….,  sorry your life may be inconvenienced, a very short time, for the safety of others.   I feel for you and will have add you to my prayers.

      • Alki resident January 12, 2024 (4:29 pm)

        Ya don’t insult me. You don’t know me like that. 

    • Walkerws January 12, 2024 (7:10 am)

      Alki Resident, you’re always in these comment sections trying to talk down anything that would improve West Seattle. Sensible communities around the world that outlawed right on red years ago, or never allowed it in the first place. Making Admiral more pedestrian friendly is a win for everyone but the misanthropic. 

    • Runner January 12, 2024 (7:16 am)

      I agree, the right turn on red is a huge safety problem for pedestrians. I’ve had close encounters at California/Admiral, among other intersections, where cars barely even stop on a red light before turning, let alone look for the pedestrian in the crosswalk. I think that would be a great intersection for walk all ways!

    • D-Ridge January 12, 2024 (10:37 am)

      There are 35 recorded collisions on SDOT’s map just at the intersection of Admiral and California, how is that “not broken”?

      • Mike January 12, 2024 (12:47 pm)

        Within a span of 1 year, there was 1 incident (which was a front end collision of a motor vehicle ) in 2023 at California and Admiral Way. It’s listed as object ID: 241388

        • Kyle January 12, 2024 (2:35 pm)

          So just 1 in the past year? Data doesn’t seem to support these claims then.

          • WSB January 12, 2024 (4:27 pm)

            Even in the highly simplified and noncomprehensive search I tried on SPD Twitter (X), using Admiral California MVC (one SPD code for “motor vehicle collision”), 7 incidents came up since mid-January last year. And that’s just in the time periods SPD Tweets by Beat weren’t down (they were for months), and not counting other ways in which they might be coded. – TR

          • Mike January 12, 2024 (4:58 pm)

            I just used the filters on that site and intersection of California and Admiral.  I don’t make the data, I just filtered it with a 1 year span and zoomed into the intersection.

    • bill January 12, 2024 (8:04 pm)

      Alki Resident: “No reason why people need to wait an entire light routine in order to turn on a red light.” And yet pedestrians do have to wait an entire light cycle to cross only to have their fair turn stolen by drivers who won’t yield per law.

  • Chrissy D January 11, 2024 (10:11 pm)

    And…..The gas station in the main intersection isn’t helping the walkability score. 

  • onion January 11, 2024 (10:19 pm)

    Interesting ideas. I like the idea of mid-block raised pedestrian crossings. I am intrigued by the notion of making the California-Admiral intersection walk all-way change, but wonder how it will impact traffic flows.  I am less favorable to closing Lander permanently, but am curious to hear what other people think about the idea.

    • Ly January 12, 2024 (3:47 am)

      Also not in favor of closing Lander. I think might work to close it during peak school drop off and pickup hours? 

    • Tony January 12, 2024 (7:28 am)

      Last year several parents at Lafayette worked with SDOT and the school administration to get a School Street implemented on Lander, if an effort to make crossing the the street at 44th easier for pedestrians, which has been an utter failure. Local residents and school parents alike frequently ignore the the 6 foot wide “Street Closed to thru Traffic” placed at 44th and Lander, and it is often removed. Last year a school parent, in an expletive-laced fit of rage got out of her car at 7:40, threw all the signs from the road into the sidewalk, then proceeded to get back in her car and peel out all the way to the intersection at California, all while kids were trying to get to school. Just yesterday a near by resident blew through the new stop signs that SDOT installed this summer and through the crosswalk at 44th as people were trying to cross the street. I encourage you to stand at that intersection during school drop-off or on a nice summer day when families with kids are trying to access the playground to see the egregious behavior by those is cars, which based on my observations is a daily occurrence.

      • miws January 12, 2024 (8:05 am)

        Yet, Tony, the seemingly loudest voices in online comments related to making changes to traffic to make it safer and more convenient for all, including bicyclists, transit riders, and, those, who partake in the oldest form of transportation, (next to crawling), walking, scream “WAR ON CARS!!!”. —-Mike

        • CarDriver January 12, 2024 (9:21 am)

          miws. The issue is not should the “outside” be made safe for ALL users-walkers;  transit;freight trucks;bike riders;emergency vehicles and yes cars. Answer: yes, it should . The issue is will the “changes” actually work in the real world. Too much of our tax money is spent by “experts” who claim to be making things safer who deliver an end result which looks exactly like what was there before.

          • miws January 12, 2024 (11:11 am)

            C D, Well, then, I guess the answer is what has long been needed (even before the “police shortage”; enforcement. —-Mike

          • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (11:29 am)

            Well, the situation as it is will be fine for cars that barrel through our red traffic signals as well as making the right turn on red without stopping. This is more for the person waiting in the cold and rain for the walk signal to grant them permission to cross the street while car drivers enjoy their heated seats and tunes. If you don’t  walk this intersection you would not know that if you don’t push the beg button in time you will be waiting through a full traffic light cycle that favors those folks who are sitting cozy and warm listening to there tunes.

        • Tony January 12, 2024 (10:51 am)

          Mike I think you should consider why so many people scream war on cars. It is not bicycles, pedestrians and transit riders causing accidents, committing hit and runs, doing burns outs, driving dangerously, creating traffic, KILLING people etc. etc. Be objective and look at the common denominator here.

      • Lafayette Alumni January 12, 2024 (9:18 am)

        Definitely not the safest place for kids – visibility has always been poor on Lander. Personally, I would like to see street parking removed during school hours, or even just before and after (versus closing the street entirely). Use Lander as a controlled drop off/pick up space for parents, with 45th reserved for busses. Other elementary schools use variations of this and it seems to work very well.

        I think the new stop signs are a huge improvement, especially the 4 way on 45th. 

    • Alley Neighbor January 12, 2024 (9:26 am)

      Lander is definitely a hard street for parents and kids and should be addressed. However, closing it fully is problematic for the residents of the apartment buildings on California that can only access their parking through the alley, as well as a few people who live on 44th and have garages in the alley. The alley also is used by  delivery trucks for PCC and trash pick up. The only options are exiting onto Lander or into the busy PCC parking lot – and end that is frequently blocked by delivery trucks. One issue that could be curbed are the number of people who use the alley as a quick passage from PCC to Lander. There is a lot of speeding from cars passing through who may not be thinking about the kids and brewery patrons on the Lander end. 

      • Tony January 12, 2024 (11:38 am)

        During discussions with SDOT when setting up the School Street, a partial closure of Lander was discussed. The idea was closing Lander east of the alley, which would allow access to the alley from both sides, with the ultimate goal of reducing overall cut threw traffic on Lander to California. Perhaps this idea can be revisited during future discussions.

  • KM January 11, 2024 (10:38 pm)

    Great ideas, Stu. I hope you get some traction. I drive to the neighborhood since it’s a bit further for me, and I’d love to see some these improvements, and especially limit right on red–there’s plenty of data to back up how removing right on red improves safety for everyone. Perhaps adding some red light cameras to the California/Admiral intersection as well? 

    • Ly January 12, 2024 (3:49 am)

      Might be unrelated to walkability but would love speed cameras on admiral way especially the stretch between Alki are and 49th. People drive crazy there. 

      • KM January 12, 2024 (8:51 am)

        Good call. I have been harassed on Admiral by aggressive several times, at various locations, but the worst does seem to be between 63rd and California Ave SW.

  • Rob January 11, 2024 (10:41 pm)
    • Great ideas but limit it to non rush hour time slots. In the morning people  need to get to work afternoon  people need to get home. Weekends a wide open 
    • Jay January 11, 2024 (10:58 pm)

      Morning and afternoon commutes is when road ragers drive up on pedestrians in the crosswalk.

    • Ly January 12, 2024 (3:52 am)

      I think this would make sense to be implemented during rush hours. Pedestrians need to get to places too and they shouldn’t worry about getting hit by a car. I think it would also help drivers avoid getting into accidents too. 

    • anonyme January 12, 2024 (5:46 am)

      This may come as a shock to you, but pedestrians (some of whom are trying to access bus stops) also need to get to work and go home.  They equally deserve to get there alive.  It’s not as if drivers or the cars that own them are the only ones with lives – or rights.

  • Derrick January 11, 2024 (10:50 pm)

    Hmm… common sense solutions? Community engagement? Is this Stu guy available for this city council position that opened up?

  • Jay January 11, 2024 (11:10 pm)

    I used to live in this neighborhood and crossing the road at rush hour was a nightmare with right on red drivers not yielding to pedestrians. Definitely one of the more unsafe intersections in West Seattle. This is a great effort on Stu’s part and I hope it’s successful. Drivers just don’t understand what it’s like to walk a dangerous intersection multiple times a day at peak time every day. I would encourage empathy towards pedestrians.

  • SpencerGT January 11, 2024 (11:23 pm)

    We should get rid of the protected turn signals, imo.

    • Danimal January 12, 2024 (8:51 am)

      Are you out of your mind? Do you ever drive through that intersection and need to make a turn across oncoming traffic?? You must not. Those turn signals are essential and removing them would vastly increase the danger as drivers run the yellow and red because they couldn’t get a window to turn left. That’s a busy intersection, man. It requires left turn signals, especially at rush hour.

  • West Seattle Person January 11, 2024 (11:30 pm)

    I’m in favor!

  • Bob January 11, 2024 (11:42 pm)

    I’m an Admiral resident and frequently walk/bike to run errands around town. Fortunately, I’ve never had too many issues walking, but support any improvements. I do think some of the biggest gains can come from making things a little more bike friendly up and down California along with Admiral Ave east. This will in turn make things safer for pedestrians and cars while allowing for more people to get into and out of the neighborhood. The sharrows aren’t cutting it. A lot of school kids have to ride their bikes on the sidewalks, because it’s not safe to ride on the road, impacting pedestrian traffic. 

    • Jay January 12, 2024 (9:31 am)

      I had a guy get out of his car and try to fight me at the Admiral/California intersection because I was biking in the sharrow on Admiral East. I also saw a rider get hit by a car coming out of one of the side streets while in the sharrow. If I come via Admiral now I have to switch to the sidewalk when the bike lane ends, but that’s not good because it’s popular for walking and the bridge sidewalk is narrow. The only safe route for a novice cyclist or child is Admiral Ave West, as it’s the closest road to the lower bridge with a bike lane, but it’s miles away. And I almost got killed on that kill by driver coming the opposite way made a left turn onto a side street at speed and missed me by less than a foot (it was late afternoon but my bike was wrapped in Christmas lights and I had a head and tail light). I stopped bike commuting for two hours after that. Now my preferred route is Bonaire as it’s the safest, but it’s too steep for most riders. Also, going down the Admiral East sharrows I get passed by cars doing 45mph on my bike. It’s a mess.

  • CarDriver January 12, 2024 (6:07 am)

    An all way walk at California and Admiral makes absolute sense. Honestly don’t know why the “experts” at SDOT haven’t done it already.

    • reed January 12, 2024 (8:25 am)

      Look at Alki Resident’s comment above. The reason “experts” probably haven’t done it yet is due to push back by those who can’t see beyond their cars

    • Frog January 12, 2024 (11:18 am)

      I don’t think it makes sense at all.  1) Mr. Hennessey asserts that traffic volumes at Admiral-California are similar to the Junction, but I wonder if he has hard data on that.  I pass through both intersections regularly, and would estimate that Admiral-California is much busier, maybe double.  On summer beach afternoons, Admiral eastbound already backs up to Nantes park.  During busy commute hours, gridlock already occurs at 42nd and Admiral. California-Alaska has truly two-way streets on all four sides, diverting significant traffic from the main intersection, but California Admiral is a real choke point.  2) Walk all ways in the Junction works partly because left turns from California are limited, so the car traffic patterns are simpler.  But at Admiral-California, all four left turn variations are used.  Efficiency is gained by allowing cars and people to move at the same time during some phases, and if that is lost, major traffic backups could result. 3) Right on red is everyone’s obsession for some reason, but I wonder if right on green is the bigger threat to pedestrians.  Delayed green was implemented throughout Seattle to protect pedestrians from turns on green.  What are the hard numbers on pedestrian injury at California-Admiral?  Is that too much to ask?  It really is a war on cars.  First, car traffic is channeled into arterials; then the arterials are crippled so they can’t handle the traffic; then side streets are closed so drivers can’t revert to them; all while the number of people packed into West Seattle is rapidly increased.  Frosting on the cake:  progressives refused to insure basic safety on buses.

      • miws January 12, 2024 (12:59 pm)

        Yep! There it is! “War on cars”! 

        • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (1:43 pm)

          Well there may be a war on bad behavior behind the wheel.  Unfortunately signage and enforcement has not been able to curb that behavior and the result is that more pedestrians and cyclist are dying.  Please consider putting yourself in the position of one of the residents of our many assisted living apartments.  For the most of them, going outside is to much of a threat so they stay isolated.  I work with these folks fixing their mobility devices, mostly walkers. The other people we are considering are the venerable who either cannot afford to surround themselves with the protection of metal car structures or choose not to for very valid reasons. Others are just not old enough to. I imagine you at times wish there were less cars in front of you and have your own personal war on cars. That is understandable. Please help us make driving, bussing, walking and biking safer. I appreciate your cooperation.

      • Jon Wright January 12, 2024 (1:11 pm)

        War On Cars [don’t forget the obligatory “herr derr”] is right up there with War On Christmas, War On White People, and all sorts of other completely nonexistent so-calls wars imagined by people who fancy themselves victims. I think you are conflating “War On Cars” with “somebody is trying to tell me I can’t drive where I want how I want as fast as I want.” The transportation infrastructure should work for all users regardless of mode, not just be something intended to maximize the speed at which cars can whiz through neighborhoods. And what I find especially ironic is that even the most vocal pro-car advocate is likely a pedestrian at some point, so there is a lot of dissonance at work there. 

      • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (2:16 pm)

        I actually said they were not dissimilar but there are about 4k more cars in this one Admiral intersection.  The Alaska Jct has a similar amount of traffic but even more when considering Oregon and Edmunds. The walkability of this area may have an effect on  the perceived need for car use.2018 Traffic Flow info. Click on the intersection for the chart.https://data-seattlecitygis.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/2018-traffic-flow-counts/explore?location=47.516062%2C-122.272741%2C12.20

  • Paint the Cross Walks January 12, 2024 (6:18 am)

    I’d love it if they would start by repainting the cross walks at the Admiral/California junction. They were practically gone (!) the last time I saw them, so I reported it to Find It, Fix It. Maybe if enough other people send it in to Find It, Fix It we could at least get that rolling.

  • YES to Raised CrossWalks January 12, 2024 (6:30 am)

    I’m 100% in favor of both of the raised crosswalks! Those are very long blocks and someone was tragically killed a few years ago trying to cross to get to/from work at Mission if I’m remember correctly.

  • Fauntleroyidian January 12, 2024 (6:45 am)

    I support a more walkable Admiral. I avoid the area now because of the cars. Maybe avoid isn’t the right word, but typically don’t want to deal with the hassle so just go elsewhere. Notes from a non-driver. 

  • ws January 12, 2024 (7:34 am)

    agree, where do I sign?

  • Seattlite January 12, 2024 (7:35 am)

    I agree with points 1 and 2,  but not with point 3 of closing Lander St SW which is currently one way east bound from 45th SW and Lander St SW intersection to California Ave SW.   One never knows if first responder vehicles need to use the one-way east bond  Lander St SW street for emergencies.    Synchronizing the stop lights might help with both vehicle and pedestrian flow.  

    • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (1:54 pm)

      Your right about the concerns of the Fire Department response. I was a firefighter once and I know response times are important. The raised crossing will also be an issue for them.  Collapsible bollards can be used but the area that would be affected is the short section between 44th and California. As a former emergency vehicle driver I can imagine that crossing has never been used by emergency response.  It is probably not on the response diagram. From Hill St. it would be much more efficient to cross at 45th but the fire signal is on Walker St. so the response that would be fastest and is more on the plan is California to Admiral and connecting on 44th or 45th.  Your concerns are valid but I think there can be a pedestrian zone next to the school with little or no effect or possibly a positive effect the security of this area

  • Abovealki January 12, 2024 (7:49 am)

    A central intersection anchors a neighborhood and defines it. The Junction’s main intersection has three corners with magnet businesses and one bank, set back from the street. The Admiral junction has one gas station, one decrepit empty building (the ex-cleaners), one bank (soon to close), and one business. Gas stations and banks are death to attractive neighborhoods. 

    • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (1:59 pm)

      Good point but the businesses on the northeast corner are very popular and the possibilities of new businesses that can survive is greatly increased by making a more walkable community. In the end the businesses are not the priority but the safety of all user is priority one. We all know that this area has a lot of high speed traffic and is considered by most to be dangerous. I guess it hits more to home for us who walk, work and live there. 

  • WS Taxpayer January 12, 2024 (7:54 am)

    A primary reason the all-way walk works at cali/ak is there are more efficient intersections 1-block to the north (Oregon) and south (Edmunds) that the majority of Thru-traffic use.  There is no similar outlet for the traffic in the Admiral junction, likely creating a substantial bottleneck and displacing traffic onto residential streets.  70 is a good score.  Not everybody needs an A!  

    • Danimal January 13, 2024 (10:58 am)

      Hear, hear! Sometimes pedestrians need to be conscious and conscientious and alert and patient when dealing with high traffic areas. That intersection is and should continue to be able to efficiently move the large number of cars that use it. Pedestrians can continue to use it as they have.

      • miws January 13, 2024 (10:48 pm)

        Thanks, Danimal! Because of this comment a new word popped into my head just as I was about to reply in another way; Carrogance. —Mike 

  • Anne January 12, 2024 (7:56 am)

    Personally I like the WALK ALL WAYS idea-I’d love to see it implemented there & at California & Fauntleroy in Morgan Junction as well. It works just fine at California & Alaska -which is a major intersection-leading to freeways. 

  • MacJ January 12, 2024 (8:00 am)

    I absolutely support every proposed change. I regularly walk or bike through the area with my family. Looking forward to learning more about how to contribute!

  • Ok January 12, 2024 (8:00 am)

    Closing Lander is a problem for those of us with parking off the alley between California and 44th.  Delivery trucks at PCC completely block the south side of the alley several times a day, leaving Lander as the only way out. 

    • Erik January 12, 2024 (11:07 am)

      I agree. I used to live in the Luna. Sometimes you really do need to go that way to get out. Since the parking lot for PCC is so poorly designed that it’s regularly blocked by either customers or delivery trucks. It would be even worse for those living in the Admiral station apartments because occasionally they can’t even get out the only other way that would be possible. Because trucks block up the alley at the PCC loading dock. I’m not really sure why there’s such obsession over this one little street. If it’s rarely used, then it shouldn’t be a problem. I don’t see a reason to put a bunch of money into something that doesn’t seem to be causing any real problems in itself.

    • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (11:40 am)

      What we have heard from neighbors is that the PCC delivery trucks trying to use this alley get stuck trying to come out through the narrow alley onto Lander. The alley would be accessible for the people who live there with a “not a through street” signage at the end of the PCC parking lot.  The Admiral Junction and Lafayette School needs some open street space but the real need is for safety of the kids going to the school. We have heard the reports of  drivers cutting through against the one way or not waiting for the pedestrian crossing when occupied. This short stretch of street could be of a much greater benefit to all if we did not have cars driving through it.

  • 22blades January 12, 2024 (8:03 am)

    No Right on Red. Scramble crosswalk. Parking on the North side on Admiral approaching California until 3pm to narrow the street,  slow traffic,  provide a barrier to the sidewalk, help businesses. Most speeding & red light running seems east or west bound Admiral so bias lights for California. Bus Lane on southside Admiral until 9am. None of this will cramp your style. The bottom of Admiral will always be one lane. Just slow things down… Midday bus service would help too but I’m not holding my breath.

    • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (11:44 am)

      oooh! Bus lanes on Admiral. Coming up the hill west bound until the west end of the Fairmount Ravine overpass and starting eastbound on the east side of the overpass.  Perhaps then we could get more frequent bus service to north Admiral and Alki.

      • GF January 12, 2024 (1:44 pm)

        My understanding is that when the light rail is complete and the Delridge station opens the H line will be routed thru (loop thru) the Alki and Admiral area instead of continuing downtown. If this is true then I believe bus lanes would come to Admiral. Does anyone know if this is correct about the H line?

  • Jeff January 12, 2024 (8:08 am)

    This all sounds great!   I support anything that nudges street design towards being primarily for the benefit of local residents, rather than primarily for the benefit of people passing through on their way somewhere else.

  • Johnny Ace January 12, 2024 (8:16 am)

    While we’re at it, can we also start handing out felonies to people that turn right on to Admiral from the center lane when they are northbound on California? No greater crime against humanity has ever been committed. 

    • Danimal January 13, 2024 (10:47 am)

      They already changed the left turn arrow timing to go AFTER the straight cycle to address this.

  • J January 12, 2024 (8:18 am)

    I love all these ideas! Let’s make it happen! Let us know how to help. I especially like the idea of an Admiral farmer’s market and walk all ways at California & Admiral.

  • aa January 12, 2024 (9:03 am)

    Since the city has already started implementing intersections with ‘no turn on red’ it seems the quickest, most inexpensive start would be to ask for that.  I am a driver and at times feel unnecessary to wait and I also know its not all about what’s convenient for me. Just last week I was at that intersection and a car turning right onto Admiral from California during a red light almost hit a woman with two small children.  I say the driver should be inconvenienced for one minute for the sake of pedestrian safety. 

    • Bob January 12, 2024 (11:06 am)

      That’s a really mature response to have. Thank you.

  • junctioneer January 12, 2024 (9:24 am)

    I love the motivation. Willing to try the proposed solutions. I like the idea of emphasizing pedestrian crossings–whether that be raised crosswalks or all way walk.How about raised crosswalks where 41st crosses Admiral? I have witnessed two cars lightly hit pedestrians, several near misses, as well as had a couple close calls myself, and always am extremely cautious crossing it. With people turning left from 41st south of Admiral onto Admiral way going eastbound, the car pillars often get in the way of seeing crossing pedestrians. Not to mention the button to hit to cross the street on the southeast corner is on the wrong side of the light pole and you have to reach close to speeding traffic to hit it. Fine for an adult–but not great for youngers. I wonder if there are solutions for that.Anything to see the crosswalks in the few blocks surrounding California/Admiral a bit more respected.

  • JS January 12, 2024 (9:27 am)

    I take transit into Admiral Junction pretty regularly and have to walk around to get to the shops I need up there. I love each of these ideas. I live closer to Alaska Junction, and the walkability is noticeably better there than Admiral as it is right now. I would definitely visit Admiral more often if it was easier to navigate as a pedestrian. Especially fantastic to see the ideas coming from the community. 

  • Kathy January 12, 2024 (9:30 am)

    On low car traffic days (which occasionally happen), if a person on a bike is taking the left turn lane (from NB California to WB Admiral Way) the bike doesn’t trigger the left turn signal. If a car pulls up behind you, both the biker and the car miss the left turn signal cycle because it doesn’t detect the bike.  The only solution is for the person biking is to switch to the crosswalk and do a 2 leg trip in the crosswalks to turn onto Admiral Way westbound. Another unsafe problem with the Admiral Junction area, is that cars SB on California trying to get into the left turn lane to enter the parking lot north of Safeway frequently run into NB cars on California entering the left turn lane onto Admiral Way far too early – there could easily be a head on crash. Something needs to be done to keep cars from entering that left turn lane on California near Safeway before they are supposed to (after the Safeway driveway) – some kind of dividers?

    • junctioneer January 12, 2024 (12:00 pm)

      Related to your second point, folks in the middle turn lane waiting to turn into the Starbucks light always conflict with people turning left onto 41st towards Met Market. 

    • bill January 12, 2024 (8:14 pm)

      Use FIFI to tell SDOT the signal does not detect bikes. They should be able to adjust it.

  • GF January 12, 2024 (9:34 am)

    All great ideas. As a admiral resident for 35+ years and a plan to spend my golden retirement years here I want to make it as livable as enjoyable as can be! I will stay tuned on how to be part of the stakeholder group and get involved in the ANA. 

  • rpo January 12, 2024 (9:44 am)

    I fully support any improvements to non-car safety at this intersection. As a cyclist, I was hit (but thankfully not injured) TWICE on Admiral at California headed eastbound. Both drivers swerved into the right lane that begins just before the intersection and hit me…and then took off. Both incidents were at the exact same spot.

  • April January 12, 2024 (10:03 am)

    All walk sounds great; in fact it should be everywhere. But NO to closing Lander St down and mid block raising crossings! Stop trying to change everything in West Seattle!

    • miws January 12, 2024 (11:20 am)

      April, What do you have against pedestrian safety? —Mike 

      • Bob January 15, 2024 (5:00 pm)

        Your response is not conducive to conversation, Mike. Perhaps try again and be more willing to engage in starting a conversation by asking particular questions or offering viewpoints. Intimating someone is against pedestrian safety and thusly in favor of injuries and mayhem in reply to them being in favor of 1/3 recommendations is a bit silly and childlike. I’d like to think my neighbors are more mature than presidential debate participants. 

  • Joe Z January 12, 2024 (10:38 am)

    Sadly, I fear this will only come to fruition after someone is seriously injured. My two year old likes to ride the bus home and I get extremely nervous walking her from SELC to the route 50 stop on California.Start with the easy ones:- No right on red – Camera enforcement at Admiral/CaliforniaThe real dream would be protected bike lanes that run the entire length of California, but I recognize that the odds of giving up the center turn lane and some parking are next to zero. Even a parallel greenway would be an improvement…it’s kind of crazy that there is no official safe bike route from Admiral to Alaska. 

  • ttt January 12, 2024 (10:39 am)

    I thought Wabil scores were based upon the number of businesses and amenities that you could walk to from your home, not just the quality of the sidewalks and signal lights.In the admiral area, I think the biggest issue is the Safeway entrance, because cars are constantly turning in and out of there blindly. admiral Way is just a busier street than the Alaska cross street in Alaska Junction.

    • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (11:50 am)

      Good point. The Safeway entrance would be better controlled with the raised midblock crossing at that location. This would slow the cars before making that turn. I have seen so many cars turn into that entrance while traveling south on Cal. Ave. while the crossing was occupied and the northbound traffic was barring down.

  • 4thGenWestSide January 12, 2024 (10:44 am)

    LOVE LOVE LOVE

  • jessb January 12, 2024 (11:03 am)

    Agreed on all points. I’ll add that the curved transition between Walnut and Lander around the northeast corner of Hiawatha is also a danger. So many kids cross Walnut on their way to Lafayette and WSHS, and cars are flying through there because of the wide curved road. I’ve seen a car flipped on its side because it took the turn too fast. It needs a diet and a marked crosswalk. 

  • Wendell January 12, 2024 (1:00 pm)

    I frequently walk from the Alaska Junction to the Admiral Junction and, as a pedestrian, have been almost taken out too many times to count on my walk to and from both junctions. I believe the free right is a great idea, but it’s a privilege that’s being abused by far too many bad drivers – A privilege that should be managed on an intersection-by-intersection basis (the No Turn on Red signs need to be larger and easier to see IMHO). With growth comes change, and something needs to change at the Admiral junction with regards to pedestrian safety. And BTW, if you really want to red lights being run, stand at the 50 bus stop outside Alki Mail for 10 minutes at any time of day, and check out that intersection.

  • NW January 12, 2024 (1:38 pm)

    Can’t recommend enough using KC metro bus routes 128 and 50 that serve this portion of West Seattle and beyond maybe walk to your shopping  or other destination and use the bus for the return trip. These buses in my experience run frequently and on schedule. 

    • AlkiStu January 12, 2024 (2:21 pm)

      Yes, Another reason the Admiral Junction is under served is the lack of rapid ride service and the fact that we will be a couple miles away from any Sound Transit stations.  More downtown service in the form of unobstructed lanes, more frequency and extended hours.

    • Wendell January 12, 2024 (3:06 pm)

      I like taking the 128 and 50, but prefer to walk whenever possible. I’ve heard walking has health benefits. I live near the Alaska Junction, no problem with walking to the stores.

  • R January 12, 2024 (3:09 pm)

     Yes this section of Admiral favors cars and is dangerous for pedestrians. The crosswalks and lanes need paint; the crosswalk timers run short; and there is no penalty/enforcement for speeding over the narrow bridge, turning across double yellow lines, and merging poorly. Add in the glassbowls driving pickups shouting obscenities out the window and I just want to avoid the area altogether. 

  • JD January 12, 2024 (3:40 pm)

    Love the initiative Stu! I am a Admiral resident with a daily walk to my daughter’s daycare at SELC. The crosswalk at California and College is a nightmare to cross, especially in our current season with low light and rain/cloud cover. I sent two different inquiries to SDOT to ask for a light, 4 way stop or flashing lights at a minimum.  Each response was focused on driver data, nothing in regards to pedestrian safety. Complete disregard to my concerns. I think there is an opportunity to engage Rob Saka as the new District 1 council member. He is also serving as chair to the Transportation Committee. Since SDOT doesn’t appear to listen to concerns from the community, maybe we can leverage Rob’s position to help out. An invite to the next ADA meeting would be great!   

  • JudyB January 12, 2024 (5:48 pm)

    Another concern is cars driving in and out of the gas station and the 7-11 on the northwest corner of the intersection of California and Admiral. This is a very unfriendly area for pedestrians and bus riders waiting at the bus stop. I’m sure it would be very hard to persuade those businesses to leave, but there is nothing safe about having so many “driveways” crossing sidewalks.

    • Oh, Please January 12, 2024 (11:24 pm)

      That gas station and 7-11 are busy for a reason: area residents use them in huge numbers. Businesses don’t exist just so pedestrians can have a safe place to stroll. 

    • WestSeattleBadTakes January 13, 2024 (12:33 am)

      Stroad.

      • JD January 13, 2024 (8:29 am)

        Exactly. You must be a 99 PI fan :)

    • CarDriver January 13, 2024 (6:32 am)

      JudyB. To get in or out of Safeway (applies to Jefferson Square also) you have to drive across the sidewalk. Same with Met Market and PCC and QFC. You want them to leave also? There’s a WHOLE lot of businesses in West Seattle-and the city/county/state that require crossing a sidewalk.

  • Admiral-2009 January 13, 2024 (9:25 am)

    The City of Seattle keeps accident data that is accessible at https://seattlecollisions.timganter.io, I reviewed the data for the past ten years at the California at Admiral arterial intersection. There were 9 recorded incidents 5-property and 4-injury and none involved a pedestrian.  This heavily trafficked intersection would not be considered a problem location.  Based on the technical data there is no justification to restrict right turn on red at this location, many of these right turns occur when the other street left turns have a green arrow thus no conflict; for example when the WB to SB left turns happen the NB to EB right turn movement has zero conflict!

  • WS5 January 15, 2024 (9:31 pm)

    I like most of the ideas to help make Admiral more walkable or safer to walk. But I do not agree with closing Lander.  As a resident to the West of California Ave I take this road daily mostly because it has a light and is much saver to turn left to go N bound on California Ave. If there was a light at Hinds I would take that, without a light it is hard to turn left.   I would add I think the North lane on Admiral North bound at Calif. Ave should be right turn only.  The cars speed up to pass the cars going straight with very short area to merge into one lane.  How about we also enforce jay walking laws people darting in the middle of a block between cars is dangerous. I am always surprised to see parents with kids  crossing in a middle of a block. 

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