FOLLOWUP: About the newest ‘complication’ in choosing West Seattle’s second dog park

One of the Seattle Parks West Seattle projects mentioned briefly during Monday night’s online meeting was the peninsula’s future second dog park (aka Off-Leash Area). This was the first update since Parks announced earlier this year that they had narrowed the options to Lincoln Park and an area south of West Seattle Stadium (below are graphics from that June announcement):

Without elaboration, the update Monday night was that the stadium-vicinity site might not be as “viable” because of a “complication” related to “electrification.” We subsequently asked Parks for details. Here’s the reply:

There is a possible FAS [Department of Finance and Administrative Services] project to create a public and City fast-electric charging station at this time, which could be used to support our transition to electrified golf carts at that site and other city mandated fleet operations. That project is still in its early stages and may need the space studied at West Seattle Stadium as a possible location for an off-leash area.

So, we asked, if the stadium-vicinity site is ruled out, does that mean Lincoln Park becomes the choice, or would other areas be brought back into consideration? That reply:

Nothing is a done deal, but as noted the top two recommended sites for the dog park in West Seattle based on community input and internal assessments are West Seattle Stadium and Lincoln Park. The factors in those selections are:

-Not conflict with existing park uses in a way that creates safety issues
-Not be located in a park that is a designated Seattle landmark, or be listed on the State or Federal register of historic places
-Not be located in natural areas under active restoration, or in an environmentally-critical area
-Have preliminary approval from the site owner, if not on Parks land
-Other considerations listed below
*Geographic Need
*Site must be Accessible (or a plan must be created to make it accessible)
*Site must not have significant vegetation and large trees
*Proposed site must be at least 50 ft. away from other property lines
*Flat sites are preferred to slopes, because surfacing erodes over time on slopes

Our goal is to adhere to the timeline presented (Monday) night and update the community as soon as we have more information on the Off Leash Dog Park study.

That timeline said that Parks staff would work on a recommendation in December and that it would be presented to the Board of Parks and Recreation Commissioners early next year. As noted previoudly, the department also studied possible West Seattle dog-park sites at Me-Kwa-Mooks, Hamilton Viewpoint, and Delridge Community Center

THURSDAY UPDATE: Parks clarifies that the possible project near the stadium would be a city-only charging station, NOT public too, so we have struck out the “public” mention in the quote above. We’re also pursuing more followup information on that project.

50 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: About the newest 'complication' in choosing West Seattle's second dog park"

  • Contact Information Please November 29, 2023 (4:22 pm)

    WSB can you please provide contact information for the right parks office to send them our input? I have not seen any actual outreach or a real request for comments. The webinars/zoom calls are not public meetings. 

  • aRF November 29, 2023 (4:32 pm)

    Sorry, folks. They’ve got no choice. Their backs are against the wall. They’ve been forced into this situation. Lincoln Park is the only place left to develop. 

  • Jeff November 29, 2023 (4:33 pm)

    Can’t wait to play pickleball with my dog at Lincoln Park!

  • Wavy David November 29, 2023 (5:38 pm)

    Darn! I was hoping the great dog-park experiment was winding down. Because we now know that concentrating dogs into a confined, noisy, smelly, ravaged, stressful environment is not as healthy or safe as was thought. And for those who think it’s better to concentrate dog activity, keep in mind that the dog-park will act like a dog-owner magnet, ensuring there are even more dogs roaming through the park, leashed and unleashed. This idea combined with pickle-ball nearby will further degrade the relatively peaceful wooded oasis of Lincoln Park. 

  • Lisa Z November 29, 2023 (6:32 pm)

    Lincoln Park is and has been in active restoration for two decades! People, such as myself, meet weekly to remove invasive weeds and plant native plants. 

  • Brian November 29, 2023 (6:47 pm)

    the city seems determined to ruin Lincoln Park entirely. 

    • anonyme November 30, 2023 (4:13 am)

      Brian, I agree.  This is almost beginning to feel like someone at Parks is determined to throw their weight around, regardless of either common sense or public opinion.

    • Patty November 30, 2023 (10:20 am)

      I also agree, Brian. It’s really bizarre. I guess the head of parks can do his damage then move on to the next city. And we’ll be left with chain link fences in Lincoln Park.

  • rob November 29, 2023 (7:31 pm)

     lincoln park is so close to westcrest dog park. expand westcrest would be a good idea. Plus the idea was to get a dog park for north WS dog owners. 

    • Admyrl Byrd November 30, 2023 (1:37 am)

      LP does nothing for us north of Alaska junction, and Westcrest is just too far and secluded (for car vandalism) that we’re just left with using the beach.  joke joke joke relax people.But do wish they’d reconsider Hamilton viewpoint; right now it’s basically a smoke out parking lot with the occasional picture taker and there’s such great space there.

    • Nora November 30, 2023 (3:29 am)

      Westcrest’s off leash area can’t be expanded. It abuts a covered drinking water reservoir.

  • The reality of dog parks November 29, 2023 (7:34 pm)

    Dog owners already love the LP site because it is a grassy meadow with trees to run in and out of.  Idyllic. Natural.  When an Off Leash Dog Area is created, it is scraped clean of grass and natural duff and then covered over with things such as gravel, dirt or chips.  It is fenced usually with chain link.  Trees are rarely included.  There are reasons for all of the above, but the end result will not be the idyllic grassy area where dogs run free.  If you love dogs and the park, then you might let the Parks Department know that you don’t want this to happen.

    • Liz November 29, 2023 (9:51 pm)

      As a dog owner, I strongly agree. Any dog park they develop will be void of any of the things that make Lincoln Park special. Just look at the “dog park” at Discovery Park, which is essentially a fenced in dirt pit on a hillside. I sincerely hope that the Parks Department reconsiders other spaces to put this dog park – or even better, do some work to enhance Westcrest. That park has been ruined by the updates made over a year ago (including the addition of ridiculous gravel absolutely everywhere), and is the reason I no longer visit, and now bring my (leashed!) dogs to Lincoln Park for their exercise. 

      • Admyrl Byrd November 30, 2023 (1:40 am)

        I’d love to see them put in some agility equipment as well; have seen this in my travels elsewhere and it’s a wonderful addition. 

        • Parcourse equipment for humans November 30, 2023 (11:52 am)

          I agree! as long as it’s the repair, replace and maintenance of the dilapidated parcourse equipment for humans that’s been in the park for decades.  

  • redfolder November 29, 2023 (7:38 pm)

    The new off leash site should be in the northern area of West Seattle as the southern end already has one.

    • Alki resident November 30, 2023 (12:57 pm)

      You mean the eastern already has one? Westcrest has been know for over 20 years , for vandalism on cars. I stopped going there years ago. Nothing will ever be done about it. Lincoln Park is perfect because its multi use. 

      • redfolder November 30, 2023 (4:32 pm)

        No, that is apparently what you mean.  I believe the next off leash site should be in the northern end.  

      • Denise December 1, 2023 (6:16 pm)

        Westcrest is one of the two largest (over 8.4 acres) OLAs in the city. How much is enough for dogs? Ruining the best park in the city is STUPID. 

        • Neighbor December 3, 2023 (12:14 pm)

          Denise, we’re all tired of your antics. You do realize how many people live in West Seattle, and how common dog ownership is here? It’s not helpful to continually insist one dog park is enough for the full peninsula, especially when the city has determined it’s not and people are explaining the issues with Westcrest. You’re definitely not earning more supporters this way. 

          • nothend December 3, 2023 (1:46 pm)

            I’m not tired of Denise’ antics,,, I think she’s spot on.  Dog people have already turned every open space in West Seattle into an OLA.  If and when LP gets an OLA I’m sure it will have all of the same issues that plague Westcrest.  So when the new dog park in Lincoln Park becomes the same crime  ridden cesspool that is Westcrest,,,  you can go back to using  Bar-S, Alki Beach and Hamilton Viewpoint as your own personal OLA. 

        • Neighbor December 3, 2023 (12:30 pm)

          Just ran some numbers. According to 2021 estimates, West Seattle has approximately 120,000 residents (ZIP codes 98106, 98116, 98126, 98136, and 98146). This means we have .84 dog parks per 100,000 people. We would be incredibly far down this ranking of dog parks per capita. But that’s not the full story. Dog ownership in Seattle is the highest in the country, at estimated 247 dogs per 1000 people. So we can estimate 30,000 dogs in WS. You insist one off-leash area is plenty. Why? 

  • Marina November 29, 2023 (7:43 pm)

    Looks like we should just designate it a landmark. 

  • Sigh November 29, 2023 (7:49 pm)

    There just has to be a better choice than Lincoln Park. The small lot on Charleston/48th is undeveloped and seems better suited. The planned park has been delayed since pre Covid. Closer to the underserved north end! 

  • MrsShaw November 29, 2023 (8:25 pm)

    GRRRR  – I really don’t like the way this is sounding.  Electric GOLF CARTS are more important than a centrally located off-leash area. What happens when the golf course is closed because we’ve run out of water to keep the grass green? Or when golf becomes (gasp) passe? I second the Designation of Lincoln Park as a Seattle City Landmark.  

    • Anne November 29, 2023 (8:56 pm)

      Leave the golf course alone – golf -gasp gasp will not become passe. 

      • Admyrl Byrd November 30, 2023 (1:43 am)

        It is the worst land use value activity there is in Seattle and is already passe except to a very narrow slice of population.  I’m really surprised it’s still there.  Besides, when they find a way to make an exciting variant of pickleball that incorporates sand traps and water hazards, it’ll be done for.

        • Anne November 30, 2023 (6:41 am)

          You are wrong Admyrl. 

        • nothend November 30, 2023 (8:53 am)

          Keep your paws off of the golf course. Dogs have already overwhelmed every other open space in west Seattle.  The golf course is well used, something like 60,000 rounds a year @ $47 a round.  And the best part is, no dogs and no dog poo. It is glorious. 

  • ttt November 29, 2023 (8:40 pm)

    How about using some of the golf course as a dog park? How much revenue does the city actually make off that golf course? Make it a short nine instead and turn the rest into park and an off-leash dog park.

    • BT November 29, 2023 (9:28 pm)

      West Seattle golf course is extremely popular and is the best public course within the city. Golf has exploded and you need to book up to two weeks out several months out of the year.weekend green fees are about $55 a person and carts are about $15.  My guess is they are generating about $1,500-$2,000 an hour plus a busy restaurant and bar.You can also walk the trails though the course for free. The WS high school uses it for XC training frequently.

  • TJ November 29, 2023 (9:02 pm)

    The city owned golf courses are some of the busiest courses in the state. I believe West Seattle was the busiest a few years ago. The city isn’t going to change this course, especially in a city lacking courses. And btw golf popularity has been growing the last 20 years. Also, not sure if you haven’t lived here long, but we aren’t going to run out of water. Sorry you are a doomsdayist but that isn’t reality. 

  • Avalon resident November 29, 2023 (9:16 pm)

    I am sorry what? “Hey sorry no dog park here… we want to actually turn it into a huge electric car charging parking lot…”the stadium has a huge parking lot – why not just put some chargers there???

  • Raincity November 29, 2023 (9:28 pm)

    Maybe it’s time for more dialogue with Parks and FAS i can’t image charging to golf carts couldn’t be configured in a way to allow the stadium dog park area. I think LP has enough going on there.

  • Grace November 30, 2023 (12:20 am)

    Sigh. What about Hiawatha Park? 

    • Admyrl Byrd November 30, 2023 (1:45 am)

      Yeah, they’ll get right on that like they’re doing on the community center.  Which comes first, light rail or Hiawatha Dog park?  

    • T November 30, 2023 (4:48 pm)

      Too much dog poop there as it is.

  • anonyme November 30, 2023 (7:29 am)

    The assessment list includes several items that preclude Lincoln Park as an option for an OLA.  Of course, that won’t stop Parks from steamrolling through yet another illegitimate and ill-conceived plan to destroy Lincoln Park.

    • WSLUV November 30, 2023 (12:09 pm)

      I agree with this and all other sentiments around Seattle Parks and the apparent 360-degree blind spot. They’ll do what they want when they want, they don’t actually care, they just seem “power-hungry” and frankly, have no zero situational awareness about West Seattle or Lincoln Park, or what anyone over here ACTUALLY wants.  Hope this person (people) get fired or move on ASAP.

    • Alki resident November 30, 2023 (1:00 pm)

      So much drama

  • Nathan November 30, 2023 (8:28 am)

    Noooo! Who wants their leisurely stroll through the best park in the whole city to be interrupted by the wails and howls of barking dogs in the center of the park? Nobody in West Seattle, nobody who loves Lincoln Park today. Terrible plan.

    • Alki resident November 30, 2023 (1:01 pm)

      I love LP, was in it everyday growing up and still is it. I’ll be happy to let my dog run around the dog park while on our regular adventures in the park. 

      • Think About It November 30, 2023 (4:03 pm)

        Not all dogs get along. And yet many non-thinkers let their dogs run free with no regard for wildlife, other dogs or people who don’t like strange dogs running up to them. I pity any dog that runs up to my leashed rescue.

  • Noelle November 30, 2023 (10:20 am)

    Having a dog park with good ground with plenty of drainage is important.  Not in a valley where rain naturally gathers. I had a small dog meetup at Westcrest from 2011-2015 called Hava-Friend with Potato & Gorbin. Westcrest was wonderful but the ground there got terribly soggy muddy at times.  

    • Muddy, Too November 30, 2023 (11:15 am)

      The LP site also is muddy.  There is drain on the west edge of the meadow where it meets the bluff walking trail.  It gets very muddy on the trail and in the meadow in that area during the wet season.  

      • Noelle December 1, 2023 (5:05 pm)

        Lincoln park is a beautiful place. Always has been. But it’s soggy for sure. 

  • KB1000 November 30, 2023 (1:44 pm)

    They already ruined all that was good about Westcrest dog park. Plus, hard anyone even goes there. I know because I go there everyday and live 5 minutes away. It’s criminal to mess around with Lincoln Park. It’s one of the best parks in all the land IMO! 

  • WS Walker November 30, 2023 (3:16 pm)

    I agree with so many comments here against siting an OLA at LP. The study area adjacent to the golf course and stadium is a natural – lots of parking and within easy reach of many WS neighborhoods – as opposed to the limited parking at LP, especially during good weather.  Surely there is plenty of room for charging golf carts while providing access to an OLA-not a conflict. (Heck, there is probably room for EV charging stations there as well.) The meadow area in LP is frequently wet and mucky in all but the driest weather (summer). Although the designated park on Charleston seems like a perfect OLA the parking would be a nightmare for the neighborhood. There are already plenty of dog owners who let their pets run leash free in LP and an OLA would mean even more. Parks and FAS need more public input on this issue.

  • Jeff November 30, 2023 (8:40 pm)

    Big NO to dog park idea in Lincoln Park. Do one of the locations down south. 

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