PANDEMIC: Governor announces COVID-19 vaccination mandate ‘for most state workers’; city, county too

(Governor’s Office photo)

2:06 PM: As noted in our pandemic-news roundup last night, Gov. Jay Inslee is in Seattle today, and planned an announcement intended to increase the vaccination rate. His briefing has just wrapped up. From the announcement:

Gov. Jay Inslee today announced a requirement for most state workers, and on-site contractors and volunteers to be vaccinated against COVID-19 as a condition of employment. State employees and workers in private health care and long-term care settings will have until October 18 to be fully vaccinated.

The requirement applies to state workers, regardless of teleworking status. This applies to executive cabinet agencies, but the governor encouraged all others such as higher education, local governments, the legislative branch, other statewide elected officials and organizations in the private sector to do the same. …

You can read the entire announcement here. He made it at Kaiser Permanente on Capitol Hill with other officials including Mayor Jenny Durkan (who was at an unrelated event in West Seattle right before this – more on that later) and King County Executive Dow Constantine, both of whom also announced employee vaccination requirements.

3:39 PM: Here’s the city announcement:

Coinciding with Governor Inslee and King County Executive Constantine announcement to require vaccines for most state employees, health care providers, and county employees, Mayor Jenny Durkan announced City employees will be required to be fully vaccinated by October 18, 2021. This decision has been made in response to rising COVID-19 rates nationwide as the highly-contagious Delta variant spreads through communities across the country, with the overwhelming majority of cases and hospitalizations being among the unvaccinated. This directive applies to all City workers in executive departments, regardless of whether or not they are reporting to the office, unless they have a sincerely held religious or medical exemption. Currently, all employees and visitors are required to wear masks for indoor public settings.

“From the initial days of the COVID-19 pandemic to today, Governor Inslee, Executive Constantine and I believe in the importance of speaking as one government. So many small businesses have stepped up to require vaccines and as some of Washington’s largest employers, we are too. The spread of the Delta variant has required that we continue to make decisions that are safe for our employees, their families, and our community. There is no doubt that vaccines work, and that they are our best defense against the highly contagious Delta variant,” said Mayor Jenny Durkan. “Seattle has led the way by listening to our public health officials- it’s why we have the lowest cases, hospitalizations and deaths of every major city. It is crucial that in our workplaces where we work, eat, have meetings, and laugh together, we make sure we are doing what we can to keep ourselves and our colleagues, our children and families, customers, and members of the public safe from serious illness, hospitalization, or death from this virus.”

Seattle is already leading the country on vaccination rates: over 82.5% of residents 12 and older have received at least one dose of the vaccine. City and countywide data show that vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness, hospitalizations, and deaths even as the state has lifted most capacity restrictions at businesses. There has not been a reported death of a Seattle resident since July 11, and Seattle has averaged some of its lowest hospitalizations over the last four waves.

More than 60% of City employees have returned to their work sites with additional employees expected to continue to return as the City of Seattle safely reopens its public counters, community centers, and libraries in the coming weeks. For individuals who can continue to work remotely, the City of Seattle will allow employees to work on site or telework until at least mid-October.

4:45 PM: Here’s the full King County announcement.

68 Replies to "PANDEMIC: Governor announces COVID-19 vaccination mandate 'for most state workers'; city, county too"

  • Jeepney August 9, 2021 (2:39 pm)

    Great news.

    • Admiral James August 9, 2021 (3:31 pm)

      Agree. I don’t want to have to go into a hospital or government building and have to worry if there are disgusting, uneducated anti-vaxxers around me. I wish we could do more though, make it easier to identify who is and isn’t vaccinated when I’m out at other places like the grocery store or restaurant (when it is finally safe to go to one!). It’s just so disappointing to see cases spiking here in King County SOLELY BECAUSE of the still large number of these anti-vaxx monsters.

      • Anna August 9, 2021 (4:03 pm)

        I really think it’s awful to call someone disgusting, and many people who are unvaccinated for Covid are highly educated, and fully vaccinated with every other required vaccine. As a vaccinated person, you should be totally safe from dying of Covid. What about those people who have had covid and are unvaccinated because they have naturally acquired immunity? Are they disgusting monsters as well?

      • Rhonda August 9, 2021 (5:13 pm)

        You can still get the Delta variant from fully-vaccinated people if you’re fully-vaccinated yourself and spread it to others. That’s why you should continue to wear your mask and not feel smug or immune just because you got jabbed. As well, I certainly wouldn’t call cautious, well-educated, unvaccinated doctors and nurses ‘uneducated” or “anti-vaxx monsters”.

        • High Point August 9, 2021 (6:42 pm)

          I agree 100%. I know nurses working very hard right now who can’t be vaccinated, for legitimate reasons. It’s not fair to lump all unvaccinated people into a single group. Unfortunately, I know WAY more people who refuse to get vaccinated for dumb and unsupported reasons. I’m a state employee and I hope this move forces the hand of those monsters who remain unvaccinated while protecting those hard working state employees who are actually vulnerable and unable to be vaccinated. 

        • Haha August 9, 2021 (7:42 pm)

          Wrong. If you don’t believe in science you shouldn’t be in the healthcare field period. It’s completely irresponsible of anyone in the industry to not get vaccinated. I’d like to see the source links from the “educated non vaxxed”

          • Concerned Healthcare Professional August 9, 2021 (9:13 pm)

            Agree completely!  I’m a home health therapist who felt it was my moral duty to get vaccinated.  The thought of me transmitting this virus to my vulnerable patients is unthinkable and flat out wrong.  Kudos to Governor Inslee for this mandate.  In my opinion, from day one, it should have been a no-brainer for healthcare workers.

          • anonyme August 10, 2021 (8:14 am)

            Haha is right.  The idea that any health care worker would refuse the vaccine is unconscionable.  When I worked in a hospital years ago, vaccination was required for all employees, including administrative.  I was shocked to hear this mandate no longer exists; it’s simply common sense.  Unless there is a legitimate medical reason for not being vaccinated (and there are very few) then all healthcare and government employees should have vaccination required as a term of employment.   Those who can’t be vaccinated should not have contact with the public.

  • The King August 9, 2021 (2:40 pm)

    Let me see your shot card or your fired. Wow. Sounds like the actions of a tyrant. And here I thought you people here in Washington were all for “standing up against that evil dictator” for the last four years….you’re really all the same. 

    • HS August 9, 2021 (3:26 pm)

      Global pandemic. Over 600,000 deaths just in the US. I like to think of it like a health draft.

    • Mr J August 9, 2021 (3:31 pm)

      Troll much? This is legal. Businesses including Microsoft are requiring workers to be vaxed. This ridiculous sense of American Individualism needs to end. Actions have consequences and in this case can kill people. He’s doing exactly what he should be doing as did the Gov of Oregon and Pentagon Officials. 

      • StopCuttingDownTrees August 9, 2021 (6:13 pm)

        Well, our U.S. Constitution guarantees and protects ” This ridiculous sense of American Individualism”.

        • ttt August 9, 2021 (8:14 pm)

          Are you vaccinated against polio? How about measles, mumps? Kids are required to get those to be in school. It is for the greater good. Your anti science sentiment may earn you a Darwin award if you are not careful.

        • CAM August 9, 2021 (8:58 pm)

          That’s not accurate SCDT. The court has previously ruled that a citizen does not have unlimited individual liberty and can be restrained by the government for the greater good. 

          https://www.vox.com/22599791/covid-vaccine-mandate-legal-joe-biden-supreme-court-jacobson-massachusetts-boss-employer

          In terms of vaccines, there are some conditions which they caution more caution when considering getting the vaccine but I don’t know that any have been listed as barring a person from getting the vaccine under any circumstances. 

          https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/underlying-conditions.html

        • wscommuter August 10, 2021 (8:45 am)

          Actually, the U.S. Constitution doesn’t protect your “right” not to  get vaccinated + keep your job.  You have an absolute right to refuse to be vaccinated.  You do not have an absolute  right to employment.  Your employer has an absolute right to establish medical requirements  for its employees.  Your freedom?  Don’t work there if you disagree.   It’s a actually very simple.  

    • John C August 9, 2021 (3:43 pm)

      On the contrary, it’s a Public Health issue.  Just like things like drinking and driving, and not being allowed to store raw meat out in the hot sun before serving it to people.  It’s not an issue personal choice, when your personal choice kills others in your community.

    • Elton August 9, 2021 (3:43 pm)

      We have a government here, not anarchy. We elect officials that represent our public interests. If you don’t agree, you can vote them out or move somewhere else. Florida and Texas are pro COVID, you can try either of those states. Tyranny is when an autocratic leader acts without legal restraint, which is not what Washington is and this action isn’t illegal.

    • Jort August 9, 2021 (4:13 pm)

      Deal with it. People do not have the “freedom” and the “right” to intentionally prolong a global pandemic. I know how hard it is for the reactionary right to get vaccinated, because that would require those people taking a step they stubbornly refuse to take: admitting they were wrong about something. Coronavirus has been real the entire time, the vaccine’s success has also been real, and just because Donald Trump couldn’t admit he catastrophically bungled the pandemic response doesn’t mean you need to sacrifice your life for him. It’s not like he cares about you anyway. Get the vaccine, deal with it, move on with your life, and learn that liberals can actually be right about things sometimes. If, however, it is still more important for conservatives to believe liberals are wrong than it is to continue living and breathing on this beautiful planet, then fine, bye. Get your shot and move on with your life.

    • Jay August 9, 2021 (4:13 pm)

      Conspiracy theorists can work for private companies but not on my dime in a public job. If someone believes in the absurd anti-vaxx conspiracies how can they possibly be effective in their work and useful to the community?

    • HappyCamper August 9, 2021 (5:01 pm)

      False Equivalency…….

    • Thomas Andrew Wood August 10, 2021 (7:50 am)

      Sounds like you might want to relocate.Say maybe Texas where the Governor is asking for help from outside state  or Florida that leads the nation in number of covid 19 cases.The reality is the vaccinated are tired of the unvaccinated controlling the narrative. While refusing to follow any rules!

    • Thomas A Wood August 10, 2021 (1:31 pm)

      Eisenhower 1955 had the same problems with the polio vaccine. As were having today with the covid 19 vaccine. Conspiracy theories about the government taking over health care. How many children would have died if those spreading conspiracies had stopped the polio vaccine.

  • Anna August 9, 2021 (3:24 pm)

    Are we still operating under the idea that if a certain number of adults get vaccinated, this will all be over? It appears that vaccinated people can transmit the disease, so I don’t think we can vaccinate covid to extinction. It will transmit; it will mutate. I cannot understand this new rule at all, considering this. What about all those who have had covid and have naturally acquired antibodies coursing through their bodies? Why should they be forced to be vaccinated to keep their job? I’m much more comfortable with a testing requirement for employment. 

    • eggo August 10, 2021 (12:38 am)

      Anna— you‘ve mentioned natural antibodies twice now — fyi — antibodies from an og covid infection do not necessarily protect against stronger variants like delta. https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-ad52011f4ca1853fad6eee41a7310c2eAlso, vaccinated people can transmit, but only when they’re infected. That’s what vaccines do—  protect against infection. It’s a significant distinction.

      • Canton August 10, 2021 (9:55 pm)

        As Anna is pointing out, there are literally zero stats, on those that have the antibodies, and have used their own healthy immune systems to combat the virus. Why are those cases not involved in the narrative? Why must a stranger,  compromise, possibly their own health so that another stranger feels better about their mortality? This is just another way to divide us. Why not dictate a mandatory flu vaccine, hauntavirus vaccine,  norovirus vaccine, rhinovirus vaccine? Because this is supposed to be, the land of the free, the home of the brave. If all this was the flu, nobody would be in fear.

  • Scum city August 9, 2021 (3:31 pm)

    He is a evil dictater and tyrant! I cant stand that man! Its a shame that it has come to this! Its only going to get worse! 

    • John C August 9, 2021 (3:48 pm)

      I guess your dictatorship started at least a good 150 years ago, as immunizations have been a requirement virtually all across the globe to participate in society since the latter half of the 1800’s.

    • Aaron August 9, 2021 (3:51 pm)

      Did…the COVID-19 virus write this?

    • Guy August 9, 2021 (3:55 pm)

      The spelling and punctuation requirements that he has put into place for elementary school graduates is over the top too!!

    • Jort August 9, 2021 (4:26 pm)

      By, “it’s only going to get worse,” do you mean worse than the 600,000 Americans who’ve died from COVID-19? I’m sure by this you mean that any additional deaths would be an actual tragedy since a completely safe alternative to death is readily and immediately available for free? Or are you just using hyperbole about Jay Inslee being a “dictater” (sic., perhaps this is a dictator in Idaho)?  Yeah, it is a shame it’s come to this, because every eligible American should have been vaccinated yesterday,  but conservatives would literally rather die than admit they or their clown leader was ever wrong about something. If you want to work for the state government, which by nature means you’re doing work for the public good, then you are going to be expected to uphold the public good by getting a life-saving vaccine. Deal with being wrong about something and move on with your lives.

    • Peter August 9, 2021 (6:27 pm)

      It takes a really REALLY truly evil person the assert that attempting lives is “evil.”

  • Brian Hughes August 9, 2021 (3:40 pm)

    It’s time.  We here in WS have done a good job both with masking and with vaxing, but others around the state have not. We wouldn’t be in this situation if those eligible and able to get the vaccine had done their part.  Leaders need to make tough decisions when called for, and this is one of those times. I’m glad we have leaders willing to do their jobs. And I’m glad to live in a community who cares enough to do their part without having to be told. 

  • Flo B August 9, 2021 (4:33 pm)

    King/Scum.  Since you’re unvaccinated i’m correct in assuming you’ll never go to the hospital with covid? 

    • wsresisdent August 10, 2021 (10:40 am)

      SERIOUSLY! You have your right not to get vaccinated but good lord, a PRIVATELY owned medical center also has the right to turn away care, which I wish they would for the safety of their staff and other patients. 

  • Mama said slap you silly August 9, 2021 (4:34 pm)

    Should be a logic test involved. If you are not fit to make a determination about vaccination the decision should be taken from you. Some people should not have children for this very same reason. 

    • Really? August 9, 2021 (5:01 pm)

      MSSYS, Your logic is interesting.  What your saying is we should institute genetic tests, cognitive exams and pass out a questionaire that asks if you think like us.  Based on theses tests we then let the government make a determination about whether someone is allowed to keep a child,  pro-create or live in our society.  If i recall that has unfortunately been tried in this country and mankind’s history before with rather poor outcomes for millions. 

  • waikikigirl August 9, 2021 (4:42 pm)

    I’m with the Governor on this one, and it’s not if I like the man or not, that’s neither here nor there. I’ve been working 45+ long years and I’m retiring this August 28th so it’s damned if I’m going to be stuck at home because it’s not safe to go traveling or as a matter of fact do anything at all because there are people that think this is a conspiracy to get the vaccine! Being selfish, yes I guess so,  but dang it I want to enjoy myself in these retirement years!!!!So get vaccinated.

  • lamont August 9, 2021 (4:48 pm)

    All you gotta do is get stuck with a needle to end the pandemic.  It isn’t hard and its not tyranny.

    • Vax and still scared August 9, 2021 (5:28 pm)

      Weren’t we told a 70% vaccination rate would end this craziness?  My zip code has over 86% vaccination rate and the only people I know still testing positive have all been vaccinated. On another note, I’m so disappointed at the ease at which discriminatory and bigoted language entered this comment thread.  This region has preached and been at the forefront of showing tolerance and acceptance.  

      • lamont August 9, 2021 (9:02 pm)

        Since delta has twice the transmissibility the r0 is likely around 6.0 so the herd immunity threshold is now around 83%.   Virus changed so the herd immunity threshold changed.

        The 86% vaccination rate in your zip code is only of those 12+ who are eligible even though kids can contract and  spread it.  So the actual rate of vaccination is lower.  Plus the vaccines are only about 80% effective, so that drops 86% down to 69%.

        And we still have lots of zip codes outside of Seattle which are at less that 50% population vaccination rates.  The virus will continue to spread in those areas.

        We also did well keeping the virus out since this whole thing started so our natural seropositivity rate is probably not more than 20% (and you can add the vaccinated + infected numbers together since people who were infected have also been vaccinated).

        • Anonymous Coward August 10, 2021 (7:33 am)

           If the herd immunity threshold for delta is 83% and the vaccines are only 80% effective, we’re stuck with this virus aren’t we?

      • bill August 9, 2021 (9:36 pm)

        70% was an educated guess. Now we know more, and Delta is more transmissible, so the guess of the herd immunity threshold has changed. Welcome to real-time science being done in full view of the public. The vaccination rate in your zip code is irrelevant. Perhaps you don’t venture out of it, but most of your neighbors do, and plenty of people from outside visit. A single zip code is too small an area when you consider how far and frequently people travel. The relevant rate is at least metro-area wide, and perhaps nationwide. 

  • M August 9, 2021 (5:09 pm)

    Wish that Seattle Public Schools would take the same stand with our kids (many of whom can’t get vaccinated) will be returning to schools. 

  • TJ August 9, 2021 (5:17 pm)

    If you got the vaccine you are safe. The data obviously shows that. What exactly are you worried about in all honesty? We all own our own health. Some are dealt bad luck, others make poor lifestyle choices. If this state was 80% vaccinated this wouldn’t end. It’s not a pandemic anymore. When Delta runs it’s course there will be another variant to be scared of, you can count on it. This isn’t a politcal thing either as I would say half the people I know who are not vaccinated are not conservative. “2 weeks to slow the curve”. Thats what they said last March for this. Here we are 17 months later. I am not vaccinated and have moved on from covid as we all should. If you keep looking for a boogey-man in this you will find one. 

    • Peter August 9, 2021 (6:47 pm)

      Thank you, TJ, for bravely rejecting science and modern medicine in order to intentionally threaten the lives of everyone who has contact with you! Such an upstanding citizen to show such concern for the well being of others!

      • Jort August 9, 2021 (7:18 pm)

        It is so fascinating to see the conservative brain try to grapple with the obvious incompatibility of individualism versus the collective action that is required to overcome a global viral pandemic. It just fundamentally breaks their brains. Clearly, as they prefer to take their chances with actual, reality-based death (meaning dying, reality-dying, as in not existing on this planet any longer) rather than admit that collectivism has societal benefits, like ending the deadliest virus in modern human history. They literally would sacrifice their lives at the alter of a failed political ideology. It’s that core to their being and purpose. It is stunning and saddening. 600,000 Americans have died, but still, this is declared to all be a “boogey-man.” I don’t know how many times conservatives want to be proven wrong about the pandemic, but they sure love to place the wrong bets at literally every opportunity and lose over and over and over and over again. Now they’re literally dying to prevent themselves from admitting a liberal was correct about something. My advice: get over yourselves and get the shot and move on with your lives, or just go away for all time, as conservatives seem to willing to “individually” decide to do. 

      • Batty August 9, 2021 (10:26 pm)

        Great irrational response to a rational post by TJ….

        • WSREZ August 10, 2021 (12:01 pm)

          Lol, Batty. Hardly rational. Peter is right.

    • Gebus August 9, 2021 (9:14 pm)

      @TJ – is this the same account that proudly announced they were ignoring lockdown protocols and going on vacation with a large group last year?
      Just curious as the name rings a bell . . .

      The data really doesn’t obviously prove your points, just like people who keep saying this doesn’t affect kids. 

      The Delta variant can affect people with vaccinations and they can have and spread the virus while being asymptomatic,  and while they are far more less likely to be hospitalized or die, they can and will carry and spread that to the more vulnerable. Which now includes kids more than ever. 

      Pediatric cases are on the rise nationally and locally. 72, 000 kids in the last week of July alone were reported to the CDC. Compared to an average 2-3% infection rate the CDC is now seeing a leap of up to 20% for kids in just the past two weeks alone and already various school districts in the US that started early, even those with mask mandates are reporting outbreak clusters in their schools.

      With regular Covid herd immunity was predicted to be 70% because of it’s infection ratio of how many people one person can infect, but with the hyper transmissibility of the Delta variant and it’s increased infection ratio it is now projected to be 90% or higher.
      This is science not hearsay or some liberal conspiracy or agenda.

      And still all preventable by the people like yourself, that have refused to get vaccinated as they are the main vector points for a majority of this spread as they casually cast of masks and hid among the actual vaccinated that were prematurely allowed to.  (Thanks CDC for that fumble!)

      All of this information is readily available and peer reviewed through various hospitals and CDC reporting and backed by actual data and science. I wish people would realize we can’t beat this unless we come together.

      Whatever your background we need to beat this together and stop politicizing a virus that just doesn’t care what party we are from.

      Please go get a vaccine TJ if you have compassion for your fellow humans and care about your neighbors kids you are doing your part to bring an end to this virus.

      We are all getting so tired of the deniers. I have had two family members die from Covid and I wouldn’t wish it on  you even if you are not vaccinated but it’s highly likely you will get it this fall and winter with the way things are going and don’t even get me started about the Lamda variant.

    • lamont August 9, 2021 (9:15 pm)

      If everyone presently not vaccinated simply “moves on from COVID” then the hospitals will fill up again, look at what is happening in Florida and Texas.

      We can end the pandemic today, though, all it takes is everyone that isn’t vaccinated to just get vaccinated.

      If everyone gets vaccinated nobody else needs to die from the disease.  If nobody gets vaccinated then we’re going to have to go through another 500,000 Americans dying of this disease and will have to resort to locking down again because the heath care system can’t bury people that fast without falling over.

  • Peter August 9, 2021 (6:20 pm)

    I love this mostly for how much it will save lives. A close second is how pissed off sociopathic conservatives are about saving lives, they revel in maximizing death, and I truly enjoy how angry they are about saving lives. Conservatives are falling over themselves whining about how evil Inslee is, but we all know who’s really evil. 

  • Auntie August 9, 2021 (6:31 pm)

    How did we all but eradicate polio? Mandatory vaccines. How did we all but eradicate smallpox? Mandatory vaccines. Come on people, you all got those vaccinations when you were kids (unless exempt for medical or religious reasons, of course). So, get in line and get your Covid vaccine and stop whining about how your rights are being violated. New sign for restaurants: NO SHIRT, NO SHOES, NO SHOT, NO SERVICE.

    • anonyme August 10, 2021 (8:24 am)

      Thumbs up, Auntie!

    • KS August 15, 2021 (11:38 pm)

      How did we eradicate the flu? Vaccinations? 

  • Question Authority August 9, 2021 (7:15 pm)

    As someone who received that memo today I read a fellows employee’s response about it, he’s anti-vaxx due to “fetuses” in the shot.  Let the mayhem start at the City of Seattle.

  • photon August 9, 2021 (7:19 pm)

    @Tracy, do you know exactly what this means?

    This directive applies to all City workers in executive departments

    What’s an “executive department?”

    • WSB August 9, 2021 (7:30 pm)

      “Executive” refers to the mayor. Most department heads report to the mayor. Exceptions would include the legislative branch (City Council) and the law branch (Municipal Court, City Attorney). That may not be an all-inclusive definition but you get the idea. – TR

      • Photon August 9, 2021 (7:34 pm)

        Thanks for the clarification!

  • wsres August 9, 2021 (8:17 pm)

    Teachers and ALL school staff should be required to be vaccinated too. Parents should write the school board and interim superintendent to request all school staff to be vaccinated unless they hav a doctor’s note stating that they have a condition that prevents safe vaccination.

  • Mj August 9, 2021 (10:12 pm)

    TJ if you are unlucky, I hope you will own your choice and pay the medical costs associated with your choice.

  • M August 10, 2021 (12:12 am)

    I have known a number of fully vaccinated people getting Covid. I believe the break through cases are significantly higher than what we are being told.  I was all in favor of full opening and I still am in favor of it. I choose to still keep from crowds and still wear a mask indoors which I didn’t expect I would do it once we were fully reopened. The reason why I do it, is I see people pretty much socializing in large crowds. I see packed restaurants. A couple months ago I thought… .is this a false sense of security with people being vaccinated that they will let their guard down and not practice reasonable social distancing?  I won’t let my guard down. I was at the gym today. Most people, including a personal trainer, are not wiping down machines as if everything is back to normal.  These are observations I have seen in the past 2 months and I feared this virus would come back and hit us hard. Regardless of vaccination, I choose to stay extra careful, because I think too many people vaxed or not are taking too many risks and now we have our 5th wave.

  • Seek_Peace August 10, 2021 (8:15 am)

    It appears every one is once again missing the Screaming Monster standing in the middle of the room, because they don’t like the screaming, and believe ignoring that screaming will make it go away.  No sweet heart, life is not like that.  Ignoring the problem does not make it go away.The Screaming monster is: What do we do about those people that refuse “the help”?  Refuse “the vaccine”?  Refuse government telling them what to do, how to do it, when to do it, with whom to do it, for what ever reason?THAT personal choice is the challenge.  Just like people dealing with the 15 year old; “NO!  Stop telling me what to do!”  and then  they end that with “I hate you!”At some point in time the Adults will allow the adults to behave as adults.  Until such time fear, anger, hate, malice, and panic rule the narrative.

  • Ant August 10, 2021 (9:25 am)

        I mean based on the rational that people have for not getting vaccinated I’ve realized America’s past time is stupidity. We are so special.

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