UPDATE: Car flips after collision in The Junction, driver hurt

7:43 PM: All those sirens are Seattle Fire units headed to a “heavy rescue” response at 42nd and Alaska. SFD says a car is flipped and they’re working to free two people. More to come.

7:46 PM: Thanks to Ashley for the first photo, added above. SFD says one person has been extricated from the wrecked car already – and now they don’t believe there is a second, after all.

7:55 PM: Added photo by WSB’s Katie Meyer. Avoid the area – 42nd/Alaska is completely closed by response to this right now. Per scanner, driver, reported to be a man in his late 60s, does NOT have major injuries, but is being taken to Harborview Medical Center.

8 PM: Our crew has checked with authorities at the scene. Despite how busy an area that is – no other vehicles damaged, no one else hurt, they verify.

8:11 PM: Update – a second vehicle WAS involved, we’re told, and it’s the one you see in the photo above by WSB’s Christopher Boffoli, next to the flipped car. Police are talking with its driver.

8:28 PM: The photo above from WSB’s Patrick Sand shows the view across the intersection looking to the southwest – the car landed right at the Kizuki Ramen corner of Junction 47‘s east building. A tow truck has arrived for the other vehicle; we’re working to find out how much longer the intersection will be closed.

8:36 PM: SPD confirms that Traffic Collision Investigation Squad investigators are *not* being called, so the intersection should reopen once the vehicles are cleared.

9:40 PM: In comments, Jason reports that the intersection has reopened.

41 Replies to "UPDATE: Car flips after collision in The Junction, driver hurt"

  • KM January 2, 2018 (7:47 pm)

    Intersection where QFC and Kizuki Ramen is completely closed. 

    • WSB January 2, 2018 (7:52 pm)

      Thanks. Adding traffic advisory.

  • JanS January 2, 2018 (8:03 pm)

    I know this question has been asked before, and there is really no answer, but…how does someone do that in an intersection like that? Medical emergency? Speeding? I wouldn’t think so. Traffic seems to travel at a normal pace there doesn’t it?  It just seems odd to me, especially a car that size…hmmm.  Hope he has a speedy recovery.

    • MJ Resident January 2, 2018 (8:11 pm)

      That was exactly my question. Traffic doesn’t seem to go too fast there so how did that happen?

      • WSB January 2, 2018 (8:14 pm)

        Now we’re told there was a second car – just added that info and a photo that shows it. So the car flipped in some kind of collision with that vehicle. As we’ve discussed before in relation to flipped-car crashes, it doesn’t take high speed for a vehicle to flip.

        • Mike Lindblom January 2, 2018 (9:12 pm)

          Hi Tracy – do you have any sense of how slow a car can travel and still flip? To the best of my knowledge this is a 25 mph zone. (And if my kids are walking nearby you ought to be under 20….)

          • WSB January 2, 2018 (9:20 pm)

            I am away from the desktop so can’t search previous discussions thoroughly – some have included links like this: http://www.city-data.com/forum/automotive/2031769-how-fast-does-car-have-traveling.html

          • Why January 3, 2018 (12:55 am)

            @mike- why should traffic travel below 20 if your kids are nearby?  Kids in general, or your kids specifically?

          • AHBnR48 January 3, 2018 (1:22 am)

            @why… I was thinking the same thing. Totally agree!!  …. @T agreeing with your observation as well. Just get ready for more, as we continue to get more people n less lanes. Brilliant. How about West Seattle become bike only n under 20 mph??  Utopia!!!  👎👎👎

          • Also John January 3, 2018 (12:22 pm)

            Lets all go under the speed limit for only Mike’s kids……

      • KM January 2, 2018 (9:49 pm)

        I’m surprised how fast traffic can go and does go through this intersection. People get momentum on 42nd from both directions and many rush the rd lights. Then there’s those who gun the unprotected left turns and end up narrowly missing pedestrians, and wind up blocking intersections.

        • Kadoo January 3, 2018 (9:20 am)

          Amen to that corner being very dangerous. I’ve seen my life flash before me twice while crossing the street. Both times it was a driver turning left. Very scary. 

      • CC January 3, 2018 (8:41 am)

        Wheel-to-wheel- contact can flip a vehicle at a very low speed.  This image can give you an idea of what otherwise would have been a low-speed and incidental contact turning a car over.

    • Erithan January 2, 2018 (8:38 pm)

      That intersection is pretty nasty, lots of people going to fast(taking turns almost get hit daily as pedestrian..), etc, my dad was t-boned there by Somone texting not paying attention. They hit him hard enough to dent in his wheel and physically turn the front of his car. SOOOO thankful they didn’t hit his side…

      but yeah crazy intersection on, dangerous.=(

  • MJ Resident January 2, 2018 (8:16 pm)

    Good info! Thanks WSB!

  • Donna Rivera January 2, 2018 (8:26 pm)

    I saw a car flip on Interstate 5 earlier last year. The incident seemed to occur in slow motion. It was really odd to watch.  It did not seem to take a lot of speed for the car to flip — and fly. 

    It was southbound traffic mostly at standstill with slow-rolling stops. An exit was about a half-mile away. A small car attempted to travel on the shoulder to bypass traffic and take the exit.  It was travelling at maybe 30 or 40 m.p.h. Unfortunately, several vehicles including an RV were pulled over & parked on the shoulder.  Seeing the parked vehicles too late, the small car’s driver hit the brakes (possibly striking the RV) and the car was airborne. It flew left and upside down, clearing over the top of cars in the first lane, and landed upside down on the pavement in the second lane alongside and few car-lengths ahead of my car. Another car had just pulled forward from the spot seconds earlier. Both the driver and passenger crawled out of the car and walked over to the shoulder where they collapsed.  

  • Jason January 2, 2018 (9:23 pm)

    The intersection is cleared and reopened. (9:22 pm walking by now)

    • WSB January 2, 2018 (9:41 pm)

      Thank you!

  • T January 2, 2018 (11:02 pm)

    I reported this intersection to SDOT a couple of years ago for various reasons safety, traffic flow, etc. They said there was nothing they could do.

    • T January 2, 2018 (11:09 pm)

      The layout worked 5-10 years ago but now there’s one less lane on Alaska westbound (bus only except for right turns) and the intersection has been heavily developed with destinations like QFC and multiple condo buildings. Doesn’t make sense. Probably double the traffic now vs 10 years ago but take a through lane away and make no other improvements. Not surprised though (SDOT).

      • KM January 3, 2018 (9:42 am)

        Huge change in traffic of all sorts in the past 10 year, indeed. I think protected left turns at Alaska/42nd would be extremely helpful. Might be time to make it an all ways walk sometime in the near future as well. I think both 41st and 40th could use pedestrian infrastructure, if not a full functioning light at 41st and Alaska. It’s an unsafe place for all modes of transit. We need to slow vehicle traffic and improve walkability. If the new Greenway project goes through, it will end on the south side of the 42nd/Alaska intersection. Hoping that project brings more attention to that intersection.

  • andy January 3, 2018 (6:40 am)

    Get rid of the bus lanes!

    • WSB January 3, 2018 (9:02 am)

      And move the lane where instead?

  • Wendell January 3, 2018 (7:16 am)

    We live a few blocks south of that area, and refer to it as “The Vortex”.  We take alternate routes to avoid it, after too many T-bone close calls. That area has worsened since the striping changed and the traffic planning hasn’t kept up with growth.

  • wsgal January 3, 2018 (9:06 am)

    Anyone ever notice that if you’re heading east trying to take a left onto 42nd, you can’t see oncoming traffic due to how the lines were set up? They’re not even. Really unsafe intersection. Plus the bus line has made huge cracks and dips in the pavement. The north side of 42nd is too crowded, and so much traffic goes through there to the next block (Oregon). That whole area needs to be re-evaluated. 

  • Zman January 3, 2018 (9:25 am)

    The rechanneling on Alaska has been horrible. It has made it not only dangerous, but an incredible pain to travel through. You have a weird merge that happens super fast and without much warning from California to 42nd (if there’s a bus in front of you forget about seeing any signs, and there’s never any properly painted street markings), then another one immediately after that past 42nd with a bottle neck of people turning left to the QFC and with the new buildings and increased foot traffic more often than not there’s significant stoppage making a right turn towards Jefferson Square. Then there’s the nightmare of trying to make left turns onto 41st which wasn’t great before, but since the rechannel, its even more dangerous now because you have a constant stream of traffic heading towards the Junction, cars that don’t respect the bus only/turn only lane who will still cruise up the right all the way to 42nd, and people who will veer around into the bus lane if they get behind someone headed into the Junction who is trying to make a left towards BoA/Safeway, which makes the left towards Petco/Capco even more dangerous. It’s bad. I really don’t see how these decisions will do anything to help reduce traffic accidents to zero by 2030 or whatever ridiculous impossible goal they stated as a justification for it is, especially when we now have a car getting flipped in the Junction which I can’t recall happening at least in the last 15 years, 

    I also want to note that these insane and counterproductive rechanneling projects like we have seen happen on a grand scale here in Seattle are not just happening here or a result of “SDOT gonna SDOT” – this is a trend that is happening nationwide, with lanes of traffic being removed “to reduce congestion” that only creates more as well as more hazardous situations for drivers and pedestrians alike. If the goal was truly safety and congestion mitigation there are much better alternatives. 

    • Jort January 3, 2018 (11:29 am)

      The goal of SDOT is to move people — not cars. 

      The reason transportation departments don’t focus exclusively on prioritizing car traffic above all other modes is because there is geometrically no possible way for all of the current and future residents of Seattle to rely solely on personal automobiles to get around.

      We’re out of space, and cars take up a lot of space. That’s why cars are intentionally getting squeezed out. This is going to happen whether you complain about it or not — because the space is fixed, and it will not be expanding. It is time to learn to deal with this.

      • Zman January 3, 2018 (1:34 pm)

        The problem is, Jort, they are failing at moving both people and cars. Again, it isn’t just SDOT that is doing this, what we are seeing happening here is a nationwide trend. The same thing is happening all across the country from here to Columbia, MO to Cumberland, MD. So while yes to a degree we are out of room in Seattle, it doesn’t explain why it is happening in places where there aren’t the very specific geographic constraints that we face here. 

        Also, cars are not getting squeezed out. Private ownership of cars, maybe. Car share services like ReachNow and Car2Go are taking up an increasing amount of street parking with dedicated “zones” that make it harder for private vehicles, along with the political desire to remove the requirements to have on-site parking in new construction (promoted with the fallacy that removing the parking restrictions will lower the market rate of properties which is simply a bald-faced lie. If the market can demand $1275/mo for a 300sq ft. walk in closet apodment and considers that to be affordable housing, then the market will continue to demand that price regardless if the unit costs 15 or 25k to build to completion, it just means that the property owner will make a larger profit sooner let’s be honest about that, but none of this is either here nor there) are what is really putting the squeeze on cars.

        Bus ridership is up, people want mass transit options, but people will still drive because its freedom. And that’s if it is their own car or a car share. They’re not leaving the roads, especially as the population grows. So yes, traffic over time will increase and get worse. But now what we have seen with the rechanneling projects – and this is my point – is instead of four lanes of solid traffic that is split up into groups by the stop lights serving their purpose to manage the flow of traffic, we have one continuous lane in each direction. And one person making a left turn can easily end up causing what will total out to be a 20 minute delay for the people directly behind them, where as with the same amount of traffic but having it spread out so there are larger gaps, there’s just a complete unbroken line. Allow me to illustrate:

        Before: ==:     :==:    :===:

        After: ===:====:=====:======:

        The colons indicate lights or intersections. And I’m not just saying that it is worse for drivers. This makes it a lot more dangerous for pedestrians too. When you have that many cars lined up like that, congested, you’re going to have a higher percentage do something erratic. Maybe you are crossing at 41st and Alaska, between the Petco and Homestreet Bank, you’re just walking down to LA Fitness. Now, its a quiet intersection and there is no crosswalk, but people treat it like there is and just walk without looking. And sometimes, even if you do look and you’re in the middle of it, that’s not going to provide any protection from someone who either was trying to desperately shoot across Alaska on 41st to get over to Oregon, or someone who was waiting to make a left onto 41st who was maybe looking too hard at the line of traffic coming to find their gap in that, and to make sure nobody was cruising up the bus only lane where they shouldn’t be, they gun it and hit a pedestrian. That’s bad for everyone. And the more frustrated people become sitting in a line of traffic like that, the more likely they are to make an erratic decision like that. Not to mention if you are going to Petco, and you are headed up Fauntleroy/Alaska, what are you going to do? Are you going to sit in the backup for 20 minutes to get to 41st so you can get to the parking garage or are you going to get into the bus only lane and be bad for two blocks to get where you are going in a fraction of the time, but run the risk of getting hit by someone gunning it as they try to desperately make a left through whatever gap they can find with questionable visibility in the bus lane? 

        This has nothing to do with being out of space, or making more space or making the busses go 8 seconds faster on average. And it certainly has nothing to do with improving public safety and the flow of traffic. Unless the entire plan, decided at the national level has been “lets make driving and owning a car so expensive and so much of a hassle only the ultra rich can do it. It will suck for a long time but eventually, we’ll get all those filthy poors off of the roads and when that happens traffic is going to be AMAZING.” 

        So if you can give me better logic than that, or explain to me how creating huge traffic headaches and dangers for pedestrians and motorists alike helps move people, or an argument besides “oh we’re out of space so this is inevitable” then I’d love to hear it. Because the being out of space argument is intellectually dishonest at best (it is on par with denying climate change in my book) and will not change the fact that cars will continue to exist and people will continue to own and drive them. So we can either try to create real solutions that won’t solve but might mitigate the issues we face somewhat and find a happy medium, or we can continue to just go to different corners of things and shout buzzwords and catchprhases, find what seems like an easy answer and say “well that’s gotta be why!” Or at the very least we can try to find out the real WHY of these current “solutions” that obviously don’t work at all. 

        • Jort January 3, 2018 (3:14 pm)

          No city in the history of human civilization has ever, not once, “solved” traffic congestion.

          Seattle won’t be the first.

          Time to adapt! Come join us on the bus. You’ll love it!

          P.S., if you’re implying that drivers will violate the law because driving slower or stopping more frequently makes them so angry that they must retaliate by hitting pedestrians, than it is time for those drivers to hang up the keys, permanently.

          You’ve got a lot of anecdotes in your post. Few of them are borne out by actual data. I encourage you to start studying modern transportation and traffic management and road safety, and you’ll probably change your mind!

          • Meg January 3, 2018 (7:20 pm)


            I’ve been commuting by bus for most of the last 30 years. I’ve been commuting from the same place for over 25.  If the City, County or whoever wants to keep people on the bus it would be great if the bus service didn’t continually get worse. The number of routes that run from Alki to downtown has decreased dramatically over the years. There is only peak hour a.m. service to downtown and peak hour p.m. service from downtown. There is no weekend service at all on the 56 or 37. Yes, I could figure out how to take 2 or 3 buses to get around but transferring isn’t attractive when the buses are unreliable. The reliability of the 56 run has greatly decreased. I seriously never know if my bus will show up. And the alerts don’t come until well after the bus would arrive so making alternative plans usually causes me to be late anyway.  I think good public transportation is a wonderful thing. I like saving money on my commute and hope I’m helping to keep pollution down. But I can’t keep being late to work and I don’t want to leave an hour early to increase my odds of a bus showing up. When bus service is unreliable people who are fortunate to have cars are forced to commute in them.  I didnt want to start driving on a regular basis but it’s looking more inviting everyday. 


          • sam-c January 4, 2018 (12:35 pm)

            Jort, you didn’t comment on the well articulated points that Zman put forth, you just repeated the same things you tend to always say, ‘ride the bus’       

            that’s not much of a healthy debate.     

          • Zman January 4, 2018 (4:02 pm)

            Jort – 

            It’s not about “solving” traffic congestion is not something that ever can completely be “solved.” You can never truly fix it. But you can mitigate the negative effects. And sometimes if the infrastructure is less than ideal, you just have to work with what you’ve got. One of the systems we have built to handle this, something that has been around for a long long time, are these wonderful things called stop lights. The great thing is, when they’re green they allow cars to go through for a certain amount of time and then they turn red, allowing traffic in another direction to move as well as create a chance for any potential bottlenecks created by the first wave that passed through to clear up before the next group goes. They aren’t perfect, backups still happen. But they work.

            Now if you have one long stream of cars that heads to the same bottleneck and you create a longer chain by say, rechanneling a road that was previously 4 lanes of traffic to 2 lanes of traffic with a turn lane in the middle, those traffic lights will not be able to function nearly as well as they did before, because as they change, traffic will be unable to move in at least one direction, and possibly two if someone accidentally ends up blocking an intersection thinking traffic is actually moving and doesn’t realize it until it is too late (I am going to assume positive intent here vs saying someone is just being inconsiderate and in a rush and doing it deliberately. I think that is fair that we start by assuming positive intent in this conversation). This creates longer delays. Why? Because where you could fit more cars, now you can fit less. You just created a much larger strain on the infrastructure. And no, I don’t have any hard data or studies to back me up on this. But what I do have is experience, and what i’ve actually encountered on every road where the rechannelization has happened. These nearly endless lines of traffic also make the center turnlanes basically useless for their intended purpose, because if you’re still stuck waiting to turn you’re still stuck waiting to turn. Now you’re just stuck waiting to get stuck where you need to turn for longer. If you have hard data that will prove me wrong, I would love to see it. Because my experience as well as just common sense tells me that removing an entire lane of traffic does NOT improve congestion, only increases it. 

            I am in no way implying that an angry driver will deliberately violate the law and “retaliate” from being stuck in traffic by mowing down a pedestrian. I think you know that.  And if you truly wanted to have an intellectually honest and open conversation about this, or were truly interested in getting someone to see things from your point of view I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t attempt to twist things around to create a straw man argument like that. The fact is people are unpredictable, and mistakes and bad decisions can be made in a confusing and stressful situation and accidents can happen. This can be driving in heavy traffic (car or bus), jaywalking, responding to an intellectually dishonest troll on a neighborhood blog comment section, buying a time share – apply it to anything because it is life. The point I was making was we shouldn’t be deliberately creating situations on the roads and streets that enable poor decision making. We should be attempting to remove that having to make a split second decision from the equation as much as possible. We shouldn’t put someone in a situation where they think “i’m either going to sit in traffic for 15 minutes or I can get into this bus only lane that allows for cars to turn right but only at each corner, but I could cruise up it for 2 blocks and I’ll get to where I’m going in 2 minutes.” not to mention someone actually playing by the rules suddenly getting blindsided by the person who made that decision because they weren’t expecting it because you’re not supposed to do that. The more variables you have, the more likely something will go wrong. Is a driver flying into a blind rage, just losing their mind because they can’t sit in a traffic jam any longer so they decide to bolt around it onto the sidewalk and start mowing down pedestrians which I was in no way saying or even implying possible? My guess is the odds of that are probably the same if not less than a cracked out methhead on the bus randomly stabbing you. Both incidents having less of a chance of happening than being hit by lightning. So come on. You know what you’re trying to do there. Be better than that. 


            I’m going to get a little personal here, maybe a little too much but hopefully it will give you and others something to think about. 

            I used to work downtown, and I would take the bus. I was fortunate enough to have a stop just a couple blocks from my house and taking the bus from West Seattle to the downtown core is super easy. But even though it was one of the best by bus commutes a person could have asked for, as close to door to door as you can get with a bus, there were still times I would drive in. Why? Because sometimes I had places I needed to be by a certain time after work, or errands I had to run, life to handle. Because the bus might have had a cheaper cost in dollars than parking my car for a day downtown, but the time cost on those days was far, far too steep for me to pay. 

            Now, I work from home. Which is ideal because since the days that I worked downtown I have developed quite a debilitating anxiety disorder. Specifically agoraphobia though a mild case of it. What that means for me these days is that to go somewhere, to leave the comfy confines of my neighborhood – and some days I can’t even venture into my neighborhood – it requires a lot of effort on my part. And it takes a heavy toll on me. So when I do need to go somewhere, you have no idea how liberating it is to have a car. Because if I had to solely rely on taking busses, I don’t think I could be functional. I need a quiet controlled and isolated area where I can just stay calm and adjust to my surroundings that I simply couldn’t get on a bus. At this point I’m not even sure I could handle light rail – certainly not a crowded peak hour car. That would just be far too much for me to handle, I’d have a massive panic attack and I’d shut down. So I can say, truthfully and with 100% certainty, that NO I most definitely would not love joining you on the bus, Jort. 

            Now, I am in a privileged position over a lot of people who may be struggling with similar anxiety issues. I own a car, I can afford to park and drive and maintain my car. I have the luxury of having an alternative that makes continuing to live my life more or less than I did before this became an issue for me possible. And – sorry I don’t have any hard data for you to back this up, Jort – I’m just going to have to go by the laws of probability that dictate I can’t be the only person in this sort of situation, who use their car as a lifeline because other forms of transportation for whatever reason are not an option. And I am one of the lucky ones that has a car and I am grateful for the freedom I have because of it. Because my quality of life would be completely obliterated without it just because of this one thing that basically just happened to me. So what is a person like me supposed to do in your carless world of the future, Jort? Lose my ability to continue to be a functioning member of society? Shut up and take it? Adapt or die? 

            And that’s just my own personal situation and issues. That doesn’t get in to all the other people who have their own reasons for not being able to join you on the bus and love it. Maybe they have to pick their kids up then take them to an after school activity, run errands immediately because there isn’t that extra hour or two to spare after a long day to get home and you operate on a very very narrow timetable. 

            The lack of empathy and understanding on this topic, the complete inability or unwillingness to try to understand a differing viewpoint and the quick response of resorting to intellectually dishonest straw man tactics. astounds and disappoints me.  

            Just because I disagree with what has been done regarding traffic flow and the rechannelization on surface streets, and my desire as well as personal need to keep being able to drive my car to get from place to place doesn’t mean that I am anti-mass transit.  Far from it. I am very PRO MASS TRANSIT. I think a good mass transit system is essential to the growth and prosperity of cities and the regions they are in. I want light rail yesterday. I am still incredibly upset to this day that we were cheated out of the monorail expansion that we voted for multiple times and paid for I might add. I never once made any anti-bus or anti-mass transit statements that you seem to think I was making.  I did make a comment in regards to the amount of money we have wasted “improving” the bus infrastructure for a very meager per trip increase. And personally, I hate the bus as a mass-transit system. The bus as a mass transit system is incredibly inefficient and  cannot move nearly as many people as fast or reliably as a dedicated rail system. That doesn’t mean I don’t think they are completely without merit though. They have plenty of utility. But I am not here to debate about mass transit options. I only came here to say that the rechannelization is horrible, and these decisions that they made that are supposed to either improve traffic flow or mitigate backups, or eliminating all car accidents by 2030 etc etc. seem to do everything but address the issues. I guess with the near constant backups it will help with speeding, but that’s all I can really see. It might be anecdotal, but I can say that since the rechanneling, Alaska from Easy Street all the way to Fauntleroy feels much more dangerous than it used to be, or needs to be. mainly because of the sudden and jarring lane shifts between California and 42nd and then again. I’m talking about actual safety and conditions, not this and that about riding the bus. Come down to the pavement and have a look around with the rest of us, Jort. You might learn a thing or two seeing what is happening in the world around you! 

  • Sara B January 3, 2018 (9:53 am)

    Preach, Zman!  I drive around this city and marvel at the hairbrained rechanneling schemes that make traffic more dangerous and more congested.  And these people (SDOT traffic engineers) are allegedly the experts!  

    • Zman January 3, 2018 (12:58 pm)

      They could at the very least install more left turn arrow signals if they are going to do this. We’d still have the backups we currently get but at least there would be dedicated safe times for people to make the turns. 

      • sam-c January 3, 2018 (1:31 pm)

        Yes, there are definitely some places where (during certain times of the day), the only car to make it through the intersection (in one direction) is the person patiently waiting to make a left turn at a safe time.  Even then, they usually have to turn left on the red light because people coming from the other direction are running the light.  There are many of these: 2 lanes at an intersection., right lane is right turn only, and the other lane is straight or left turners.  Without a dedicated left turn green, red lighting running happens sometimes.    

        Or, on the other hand, they think they want to turn left, realize it’s not going to happen, turn off their blinker and proceed straight instead.  Probably some near misses there, too.

  • aaRF January 3, 2018 (11:23 am)

    For all the people who don’t like Alaska now, just wait for the light rail line. It will add columns up Alaska and turn the street into a tunnel (unless you put it at street level, in which case it swallows everything). Think I’m being alarmist? Visit the Angle Lake Station (or Google photos of it). Imagine that going up Alaska and crossing California.

    • KBear January 3, 2018 (12:13 pm)

      I would rather have columns down the middle of Alaska Street than not have light rail.

    • HappyOnAlki January 3, 2018 (2:56 pm)

      I’m with KBear — bring on the light rail!

    • KM January 3, 2018 (3:59 pm)

      Please yes!

  • steve January 4, 2018 (9:51 am)

    Say it ZMAN!  I remember the first time I hit that rechannel on Alaska.  RIGHT TURN ONLY!!  BUS ONLY!!  SOLID WHITE LINE!! AAAAHHH!!!!

    Where am I? How did I get here? This is not my beautiful street! AAAAHHH!!!

    I feel sorry for any driver who is not familiar with this turd of “road planning.”

  • steve January 4, 2018 (9:55 am)

    Turn away from the rise, instead of into it.


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