Unanswered questions, project purpose draw scrutiny as HPAC meeting focuses on Highland Park Way hill lane-change plan

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The proposal to replace one downhill driving lane on the Highland Park Way hill with either a protected bicycle lane or expanded multi-use path is mostly about slowing down speeding drivers. That was made clear by an SDOT rep who was at last night’s HPAC meeting to talk about the plan.

The SDOT reps led by James Le were also there for Q&A, but more than a few questions went unanswered aside from “I’ll have to get back to you on that.”

First, if you are reading this before Thursday evening, you have another opportunity to go try to get answers in person, 4-8 pm tonight at Highland Park Corner Store (7789 Highland Park Way SW). That was supposed to be the last in-person event for now, but SDOT has just added another one this Saturday – more on that at the end of this story.

Backstory on the proposal: In 2020, SDOT had a plan for a bike lane on the Highland Park Way hill, but put it on hold. The concept re-emerged in a 2022 application for federal funding. Two weeks ago, SDOT formally announced a plan for a downhill bike lane and/or expanded path along about half a mile of the hill.

In the announcement of this plan on May 10, SDOT also opened a survey, which they tell us today has already brought in almost 1,000 responses. We don’t know how the opinions are going on that, but last night, with about two dozen people attending the online meeting, HPAC did an informal survey of its own:

(Zoom screengrab)

That “straw poll” had one option not in the SDOT survey or project plan – improving the existing path without removing a driving lane. Le was asked repeatedly if SDOT would consider an option that keeps the current motorized-vehicle-lane configuration, and Le eventually said, “Let me throw that back at you – how would you (slow traffic) without removing a lane?” He had repeatedly referred to traffic-slowing as a prime goal of the project, citing SDOT data showing that while the posted speed limit is 25 mph, hill traffic averages 43 mph, so, he said, “we have to redesign the roads.” The hill has too much “capacity,” he contended, which would be reduced by removing a driving lane. He cited 49 collisions of note in five years, including head-ons and sideswipes.

The danger of head-on collisions is one reason not to remove a lane, some attendees countered, saying that the lane reduction would mean nowhere to get around an obstacle, and asking if there was any consideration of a barrier between the two directions as a safety measure. Le said SDOT had considered “some barrier options” but none seemed feasible, so the lane removal is a “self-enforcing design.” One attendee said they were “strongly in favor” of that, and disagreed with other attendees’ contention that the single downhill lane would be a “chokepoint,” observing that drivers coming off Holden, for example, are in one lane as they turn onto the hill. That attendee was one of the few who identified themselves as riders, and also voiced support for the project providing a better connection for riders headed toward Georgetown.

Even if the hill seems to have “too much capacity” now, other attendees said, it should be preserved in case of access trouble such as a repeat of the West Seattle Bridge closure, which turned the Highland Park Way hill into a lifeline in and out of West Seattle for 2 1/2 years as the 1st Avenue South Bridge became the major detour route. “It’s a vital connector,” stressed one attendee. Le’s answer to concern about another West Seattle Bridge closure was, “I don’t think that will happen” – since the WS Bridge is expected to last its full lifespan following the repairs that reopened it in September 2022.

The questions that went unanswered included the cost/budget for the project. The SDOT reps said they didn’t have those numbers, repeating that it’s very early in the design process, and there’s no funding yet beyond “early design,” explaining that future funding would depend on what option they eventually decided to pursue. Attendees pressed the question of how much money is allotted so far, but that wasn’t answered. Nor was a question about how many bicycle riders and pedestrians use the hill path now. (We’ve sent those and other followup questions to SDOT’s media team today.) There also was a concern about how the bike path would be maintained, given that others – such as the relatively new one on Delridge – have been observed with leaves, broken glass, and other debris.

One attendee, identifying herself as a pedestrian as well as driver, said she wanted to see “traffic calming that is actually calming,” fearing the lane removal will be the opposite, invariably resulting in more road rage. What about stationing a police officer on the hill full time? asked another attendee. Le thought that would be “very expensive.” Also suggested: A “holistic” look at the traffic situation in Highland Park, considering all the changes implemented during and after the bridge closure, including the HP Way/Holden intersection work and all the “Home Zone” neighborhood traffic-calming installations.

Eventually the discussion ebbed and HPAC co-chair Kay Kirkpatrick ran the informal “straw poll” shown above. Le said all the feedback – including the HPAC meeting – would be compiled in a report that would be out midsummer or so. No date has been given for a final decision or for construction.

WHAT’S NEXT: As noted above, SDOT plans to be at Highland Park Corner Store tonight, 4-8 pm, and the project outreach team just told us this morning that they’ve added one more in-person tabling event for Q&A and feedback, this Saturday (May 25) at Delridge Farmers’ Market (9421 18th SW), 10 am-2 pm. The survey is open until June 15, and the project page offers an email address and voicemail line you can also use for feedback and/or questions. And though it’s not an official project-related event, the proposal is expected to be discussed at tonight’s West Seattle Transportation Coalition meeting too (6:30 pm online, connection info here).

ADDED FRIDAY NIGHT: We took some of the unanswered questions to SDOT post-meeting; here are the answers.

40 Replies to "Unanswered questions, project purpose draw scrutiny as HPAC meeting focuses on Highland Park Way hill lane-change plan"

  • KT May 23, 2024 (3:32 pm)

    The answer to concern about another West Seattle Bridge closure was, “I don’t think that will happen”.  Ya, I bet you would have said that in 2020 too.  A question about how many bicycle riders and pedestrians use the hill path now went unanswered.  So SDOT is really just wanting to reduce speeds on the downhill part of the road and trying to figure out how to disguise their intention to take away a travel lane to avoid backlash.  

    • DC May 24, 2024 (11:07 am)

      They’ve been very open about wanting to reduce speeds. What’s telling is how many people oppose this plan specifically because it would reduce speeds and prevent dangerous passing. It’s my humble opinion that no matter how much pressure, SDOT should not be in the business of conceding to CRIMINALS who want to go 20mph over the speed limit. 

  • WSbikist May 23, 2024 (3:45 pm)

    Hot Take: Current usage data for cyclists and pedestrians aren’t helpful in determining the necessity of this path since the numbers will be influenced by how crappy the current infrastructure is. This is really a “If you build it, they will come” situation here.

    • Peter May 23, 2024 (4:34 pm)

      You couldn’t pay me to cycle down that hill. 

      • Derp May 23, 2024 (6:23 pm)

        Or come back up,  by pedal power that is

        • Chum May 23, 2024 (8:35 pm)

          That hill makes me love my ebike anew each time.

    • Seth May 23, 2024 (5:08 pm)

      Finally some sensible take.  Of course nobody gonna bike on this death trap as is.  

      • datamuse May 23, 2024 (6:13 pm)

        I mean, people do, but not nearly as many as would if it were better developed and safer, you’re right about that.

      • Platypus May 24, 2024 (8:41 am)

        The fact you’re calling it a death trap is the point of the design. The street is poorly designed. It encourages high speed driving and the pedestrian/bike path is so bad people, including me, actively avoid it. The proposed designs would have a positive impact.

    • K May 23, 2024 (5:56 pm)

      good take.

    • Kyle May 23, 2024 (7:47 pm)

      Even if it was a crystal palace of a bike lane it would get minimal use. More than today, but we are all kidding ourselves to think it won’t still be a steep hill to an industrial area. The main goal of the corridor is vehicle and bus throughput and that is okay. I’m in favor of making the lane and path better. It is bumpy and old. But let’s leave the two travel lanes as well. They can coexist.

      • WSBIKIST May 23, 2024 (9:05 pm)

        Whether they can coexist is not up for debate here. Mr Le was pretty explicit that the whole point of this project was to reduce downhill traffic to one lane. The bike lane is just an idea on what to do with the freed up space. Their plan is to remove one lane downhill regardless of what replaces it.

        Personally, I’m pro bike lane with barriers. If the bridge ever has to close again, they could pretty quickly remove the barriers and restore 2 lanes downhill. Unlikely, but possible.

      • Platypus May 24, 2024 (8:44 am)

        I think it may be hard for some people who primarily drive to realize the amazing bike infrastructure around us. This would allow a much needed and better connection to the Duwamish Trail at the bottom of this hill. Biking Seattle, but specifically West Seattle is a great options and almost always faster, less annoying, and far easier and cheaper parking than driving. Ebikes are pretty cheap and actually pay for themselves over time. I encourage people who primarily drive to really consider all the great transportation options at your fingertips.

  • Sam May 23, 2024 (3:51 pm)

    Lots of words just to say: “reactionary busybodies want more and faster car lanes, more parking spots and fewer crusty cyclists”.

  • AK May 23, 2024 (3:52 pm)

    I see they still are not listening to the voters. We don’t want you to take a lane away. This will only cause more road rage!

    • KA May 23, 2024 (4:22 pm)

      Petulant children who drive unsafely and illegally should be removed from the road and stripped of their licenses. Threatening to endanger others on the road is not an acceptable argument and should not be entertained.

  • Nathan H. May 23, 2024 (3:55 pm)

    Reducing downhill to one lane will increase accidents, not decrease them, because there will be no safe alternative for drivers who currently choose to drive downhill in the far lane in order to avoid speeding uphill drivers who cut inside the curve. This plan is a terrible idea.  Why is a bike lane being used, by SDOT’s own admission, as a blunt tool to calm traffic? Shouldn’t bike lanes be installed based on their own merits instead of being wielded as a weapon in SDOT’s crusade against cars?  Everything about this stinks of the failed Traffic Zero agenda pushers. 

    • 1994 May 23, 2024 (9:52 pm)

      Nathan — please get a job with the SDOT! They need more thinking like this instead of stating  “The hill has too much “capacity,” What garbage! The streets are designed to move traffic. West Seattle has more residents than ever. Widen the path for the bikes & walkers and leave the street as it is with the capacity the city needs! Add a center jersey barrier to prevent vehicles from crossing into oncoming traffic. That is what the state or SDOT did on the far east end of the West Seattle Bridge after a fatality.

    • Bbron May 23, 2024 (11:16 pm)

      crusade? y’all drivers have a persecution complex for real. sure, a crusade that has never had close to the lion’s share of budgeting. a crusade that have projects shut down left and right by NIMBY reactionaries. it’s so wild that every year you can see some amount of pedestrians and bicyclists get obliterated by a car, but you think the real crusade is an attempt to reduce the number of lanes somewhere because drivers are too entitled to obey traffic rules and can’t be slowed down by any other means than to make it personally uncomfortable.

    • bill May 24, 2024 (7:53 am)

      It’s Vision Zero, Nathan, and it is failing because drivers won’t bother to drive safely.

    • Platypus May 24, 2024 (8:47 am)

      The bike lane isn’t there to reduce speeds, the single lane is. The Bike lane is a benefit that the lane space makes available and opens the capacity for Pedestrian and bikers. They are shifting from one capacity to another. 

  • KB1000 May 23, 2024 (4:33 pm)

    I would really like to encourage everyone in West Seattle to take the survey, provide feedback and come to the meetings to share your thoughts. The harsh truth is that Highland Park is underrepresented. It’s a historically red-lined and lower income neighborhood and it will take help from other neighborhoods in West Seattle to get this project right. We had good attendance last night but we’ll need a lot more to get the kind of street that works for residents and not the bureaucrats. SDOT has money to spend and quotas to meet. If you drive this street even occasionally, please help us protect Highland Park from yet another traffic nightmare. 

  • yolo May 23, 2024 (6:06 pm)

    i wish i could find the video of the Blue Tesla driving down HPW in the wrong lane during the WS Bridge closure.  Let’s see, there was gridlock getting out of WS, and someone found an alternative route (going down the hill in the uphill lane).  Good times.  Expect more of the same, if it becomes permanent.

  • Kyle May 23, 2024 (7:56 pm)

    The straw poll says it all. All of SDOT’S ideas are the least popular. I think I would be fired if I came up with a project with such shifting problem statements. If the problem is speeding cars than let’s abandon the bike trojan horse and focus on that. Hire some more police to patrol the street and all the other speeding hot spots in West Seattle. Also raise the speed limit back to the designed 35mph, the 25 is ridiculous. The 43 average speed doesn’t look so bad compared to the old speed limit. If the problem is head on collisions and lane drift, than let’s focus on that. I’m in favor of at a minimum some of those yellow flex barriers on the curve or do something similar to what they did on the 99 ship canal bridge which had a similar problem and they kept the throughput.It is disingenuous for SDOT to pit bikers against drivers when they can’t even give us what they are trying to solve. There are ways to make progress on their goals while preserving throughput for the light at the bottom of the hill that is one of a few arterials off the peninsula. Capacity should be maintained for future growth projected in the one Seattle plan.

    • Dad May 23, 2024 (9:50 pm)

      Thank you for this rational take.  What exactly is the problem and what is the best solution to the problem preserving as much function as possible?  Sounds like uphill/downhill lane barriers solves all of the potential issues of people going a BONKERS CRAZY 43 MPH ;)

    • Bbron May 23, 2024 (11:40 pm)

      you and Dad are showing how little you understand physics, and it’s always scary to see drivers with the mentality of: “if i keep my speeding to a number that feels close to the limit, then i’m allowed to go it!” y’all know that the stopping distance for a car does not scale linearly with a linear increase in speed? the energy of the vehicle depends on the square of the velocity, so your stopping distances for 25, 35, and 43 MPH are 76ft, 120ft, and 160ft respectively. those differences are extremely significant when determining if you’ll hit something or not, and in a collision the differences in kinetic energy between those speeds is the difference of living, being maimed, or death. enough with entitled drivers normalizing their deviant driving behaviors.

  • Getreal May 23, 2024 (8:09 pm)

    Yeah… really looking forward to going down that when we get the unexpected snow on untreated road.  Potentially with uphill and downhill traffic forced to be mere inches from one another. Zero room for error.  Forget bike lanes and just make a raised vegetation barrier in the middle like some parts of Delridge. Hell, throw in a speed camera or two to help pay for the work.  

  • Canton May 23, 2024 (8:43 pm)

    That is funny, “too much capacity”… That itself explains the reasoning. All the hill needs is a middle barrier, and improve the ample off street space. They seem to be sneaking in, the “Complete streets” format. Look up the term, it’s a thing…

  • Admiral-2009 May 23, 2024 (10:19 pm)

    I drove that hill daily for over 20 years.  Improving safety:  

    1.  Reinstate the 30 MPH limit that was was technically credible.

    2.  Replace the inside downhill lane with a 6′ painted buffer space.

    3. Restripe the remaining downhill space with a 11′ vehicle lane and a 5′ bike lane.

    4. Widen and improve the existing sidewalk on the south side to accommodate uphill bikers and peds.

  • Tracey May 24, 2024 (5:55 am)

    Another way to slow down speeding drivers is to install speed cameras.   Can’t remember if they are legal in WA state other than at school zones but perhaps it is time to change that.  It is silly to control speed by reducing infrastructure.  We used to be afraid of being pulled over by a cop but we don’t have any of those anymore. 

    • Bbron May 24, 2024 (9:02 am)

      too bad there’s literally been comments on this blog advocating for perjury (note: moderation allowed those thru) where if you get caught on any traffic camera there’s no consequence to say “I wasn’t driving” and the fine just gets dropped because of toothless traffic laws to please drivers. there’s no way to slow drivers down with “good will”; i mean look at all the folks in here threatening road rage if a lane is taken away, so drivers are too entitled to modify their driving habits and need the infrastructure to change for behavior to change.

  • VN May 24, 2024 (7:02 am)

     “It’s a vital connector,” stressed one attendee. Le’s answer to concern about another West Seattle Bridge closure was, “I don’t think that will happen” – since the WS Bridge is expected to last its full lifespan following the repairs that reopened it in September 2022.I do believe Mr. Le needs to go back to do a little more research on the status of the WS bridge: SDOT representative Donahue stated  The West Seattle Bridge repair during COVID:
    SDOT’s contemplated seismic improvements aren’t a legal code requirement, but a
    city policy.  In other words, he’s making
    a professional judgment that a 40-year time frame demands seismic upgrades,
    while a 15-year life span is tolerable with girder strengthening alone.  Seattle Times 9/9/2020
    Those upgrades were not done during this last repair.  Long term plans should always include the maintenance of critical infrastructure routes and this roadway was vital to the entire peninsula and the triangle ferry traffic during the last bridge closure.   I believe that SDOT needs to go back to the drawing board and work more closely with the police department for better traffic enforcement. 

  • West Seattlle Resident May 24, 2024 (8:36 am)

    So in order to slow drivers, let’s create congestion…  thats pretty much what they are trying to do.. The problem is that regardless of any street, whether it’s Admiral, Alki Ave, or even Marginal, is that speeders know they won’t be pulled over for citation.  We lack police enforcement and even then, pursuit is even in question.  But having traffic enforcement officer with a radar gun at random times usually makes you think twice, more than a camera or a radar sign that tells you your speed..  we have gotten so used to technology that it just blends into the background.  This is all stems from an issue with our policy makers.  Something is not right.Single lane or not, people will still speed when there’s no traffic.  It’s not about pedestrians.  Pretty sure pedestrians and cyclists are just an excuse for the proposal.If anything, I’d rather a blinking stop sign right smack in the middle.

  • Rob May 24, 2024 (8:39 am)

    In this case if you want to slow people down  install a bunch of pot holes 

  • Linda May 24, 2024 (8:58 am)

    I drive that hill everyday, and have for almost 15 years.  I’m in agreement with many others on this blog.  Do not get rid of a downhill lane, but please put in a middle barrier between uphill and downhill lanes near the curve point about midway down the hill.  I’d like to know when those 49 collisions happened on the hill, I’d venture to guess that many were during the two years that the WS bridge was down so traffic and frustrations were at an all time high.  49 collisions across 5 years is less than 10 a year, but I’d like to see the data not including 2020-2022.I’d be concerned that removing  a downhill lane will back up traffic on Holden again for those trying to turn downhill which is not great for those residents.  If we need a bike lane, then fix up the existing sidewalk and add a bike lane there, there is plenty of land of street for that.  I see it as I drive down that hill everyday.A final note, back in 2012, I was pulled over and ticketed for speeding down the hill, back when the speed limit was still 30 or 35.  Since that time, I am very conscientious about my speed on the hill, even though you never see cops there anymore, and of course cops wouldn’t have been practical during the “bridge down years”.  It is hard to stay under 30 on that downhill, but my EV helps.

  • I would bike here but it sucks... May 24, 2024 (9:03 am)

    If SDot really wanted to encourage bicycles and reasonable road speeds, they would look at adding better bike lanes, alternative bike routes and better infrastructure  by the main arterial roads in West Seattle like Fauntleroy, or 35th St, to support cyclists, not just these random roads leading out of town that fewer people use. Cycling in Seattle is a nightmare and that’s why only people who absolutely need to and recreational cyclists do it. If I can’t get to this road safely to bike it, I won’t use it either way. A buffer in the center lane, and wider path on the sidewalk, would do more to protect traffic and bikes than taking out a lane.  They are going to have to focus on building better routes to support the upcoming light rail project and people getting to the stations anyway. 

  • Actually Mike May 24, 2024 (10:33 am)

    Smarten up, SDOT. Widen and re-surface the sidewalk to serve both bikes and pedestrians; post bold signage and add a speed camera on the hill; and ask SPD to have an occasional presence here (unpredictable is really effective, y’know?) And move on to other projects urgently requiring attention, of which there are many.

  • Dave May 24, 2024 (11:22 am)

    As an avid cyclist,  no. Convert sidewalk for safer biking. Unless the bike lane is protected cars will hit bikes. Dissimilar speeds, visibility problems, poor driving by so many.  And, cyclists will surely be going fast as well.  Expand Metro buses, finish Sound Transit, then get back to us. Ouest Seattle is an island with limited ways in and out.  There will come a time when population density completely overtaxes the road capacity. Only mass transit will address that. But in the mean time this is a really poor idea

  • VOTE NONE OF THE ABOVE May 24, 2024 (4:30 pm)

    SDOT clearly has an agenda with this project, as evidenced by the biased nature of the survey. There should be a “Do Not Reduce Lanes” option, even if they wish to enhance the path / add a bike lane (which there’s plenty of room to do). Their data is also disingenuous, as others have expressed. “49 collisions across 5 years is less than 10 a year, but I’d like to see the data not including 2020-2022.” Exactly. How does the incident data compare to other major area arteries? Or other metros? Are there more / less / same # of incidents since the bridge reopened? Or compared with the 5 year period pre-Covid? Someone noted that of the collisions, only 1 involved a biker and 1 other involved a pedestrian… which over 5 years are VERY SMALL figures for such a busy arterial. Of course we should aim for zero, but the reality is, the proposed lane reduction is a solution in search of a problem. How do the fire / police / service agencies feel about reducing a necessary responders lane for an important West Seattle feeder? Funds would be much better spent elsewhere.

  • JW May 28, 2024 (2:55 pm)

    Put up some traffic cams with license plate readers similar to the ones in school zones. The city would make bank from that street, could install a new bike path paved in gold. 

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