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October 4, 2008 at 1:42 am #641947
AnonymousInactivemeg – My questions weren’t answered.
You have attempted to answer my question with your post above (loved the extra dig at me, btw). But, again, it’s just the vague, same-talk that we’ve all seen here.
I just wish that instead of just calling people dumb, stupid or an idiot, some of you would admit that you just don’t agree with their policies or their beliefs.
I mean, who are all of us screaming and ranting about the stupidity of these people? If we are all so smart, why aren’t we running the country (or campaigning to)?
I don’t agree with Obama. He is so far to the left, I consider him practically socialist. There is no gray area there. I don’t agree with Biden (not as left as Obama, I believe), but I have issues with him. I don’t think they are stupid, dumb or idiotic. I would never make that accusation. I’m smart enough to know that they are a lot smarter than me.
I just think it’s catty, unnecessary and pointless. Talk about why you don’t agree with a belief Palin or McCain has, why you don’t feel she is qualified. But to immediately turn to personal put-downs is insulting and uninteresting.
October 4, 2008 at 2:09 am #641948
TrisketParticipantObama practically a socialist? NewResident you are delusional!
Palin was incapable of answering questions directly inquired to her. Last night’s debate was essentially a job interview and when I interview people, I expect them to answer my questions. I don’t expect distracting tactics; which can only lead me to believe there is an insufficiency of knowledge required to do the job. This what Palin gave us last night and that is why she is not qualified.
October 4, 2008 at 2:35 am #641949
AnonymousInactivehttp://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/
Please point out which questions she did not answer. This is not, in any way, a challenge – just a question. I’m extremely curious which responses are considered NOT answers to the questions presented to her.
I have been back through it (through the transcript) and do not see any obvious avoiding of answering questions.
October 4, 2008 at 2:39 am #641950
MrJTMemberApparently NR, you were watching another debate.
October 4, 2008 at 2:44 am #641951
ariettaParticipantmeg, I’m with Trisket re your post #162, well said. Thank you for making the point that what we’re saying is not limited to this particular forum thread or about conservative vs. liberal.
October 4, 2008 at 2:44 am #641952
TrisketParticipantThanks MrJT… you took the words right out of my mouth!
October 4, 2008 at 2:49 am #641953
AnonymousInactiveAre you all done patting yourselves on the back?
Because no one has pointed to an exact example (from the transcript of the debate that I linked to) where Palin did not directly answer a question presented to her.
(God – and you all wonder why threads go off-topic).
Btw, um trisket, meg and arietta, who did I attack?
So, lets see, that’s 2 questions that have yet to be answered…..
October 4, 2008 at 2:52 am #641954
MrJTMemberIm not.
October 4, 2008 at 3:08 am #641955
TrisketParticipantNewResident- there is a difference between responding to a question and answering a question. Oh, Governor Palin successfully responded to each and every question gosh-darn-it but failed to ANSWER the questions posed to her. Rather she re-directed, distracted and gave “shout-outs” to third graders. Thank god she didn’t try to spell potato.
October 4, 2008 at 3:26 am #641956
megMemberNR- I think that most of us here are self-aware enough and in touch enough with our own abilities to realize that running for VP is not something we should do. However, now that the bar has been set so pathetically low, perhaps I should give it a shot after all.
So, here are a few completely obivous examples of how she is unqualified.
1. the full Katie Couric interview
2. the charlie gibson interview.
3. how she only responded, and not actually answered, the “debate” questions.
Get that? Like Trisket said…responding is not the same are answering. Look it up. I say “debate” in quotes, because it really wasn’t a debate It was in insult to the American people that she wouldn’t answer the ?’s–even going so far as to say that she wouldn’t answer them like they were asked. She agreed to a debate…so debate! You didn’t agree to come on TV and do canned stump speeches, smile, look cutesy, and gosh darn us all. Pathetic. Insulting. Really.
She has no grasp on the world. None. And that is frightening.
Still need some explaining? Thought so….hence my previous points….
October 4, 2008 at 4:24 am #641957
addParticipantI don’t usually get involved in these conversations, but I felt I had to take NR’s challenge:
“Because no one has pointed to an exact example (from the transcript of the debate that I linked to) where Palin did not directly answer a question presented to her.”
This is lengthy, but indeed is a VERY CLEAR example of Sarah Palin not answering a direct question.
IFILL: Thank you, Senator.
Now… I want to get — try to get you both to answer a question that neither of your principals quite answered when my colleague, Jim Lehrer, asked it last week, starting with you, Sen. Biden.
What promises — given the events of the week, the bailout plan, all of this, what promises have you and your campaigns made to the American people that you’re not going to be able to keep?
BIDEN: Well, the one thing we might have to slow down is a commitment we made to double foreign assistance. We’ll probably have to slow that down.
…. goes on with examples, and what they will not do ….
The bottom line here is that we are going to, in fact, eliminate those wasteful spending that exist in the budget right now, a number of things I don’t have time, because the light is blinking, that I won’t be able to mention, but one of which is the $100 billion tax dodge that, in fact, allows people to take their post office box off- shore, avoid taxes.
I call that unpatriotic. I call that unpatriotic.
IFILL: Governor?
PALIN: Well, the nice thing about running with John McCain is I can assure you he doesn’t tell one thing to one group and then turns around and tells something else to another group, including his plans that will make this bailout plan, this rescue plan, even better.
I want to go back to the energy plan, though, because this is — this is an important one that Barack Obama, he voted for in ’05.
Sen. Biden, you would remember that, in that energy plan that Obama voted for, that’s what gave those oil companies those big tax breaks. Your running mate voted for that.
You know what I had to do in the state of Alaska? I had to take on those oil companies and tell them, “No,” you know, any of the greed there that has been kind of instrumental, I guess, in their mode of operation, that wasn’t going to happen in my state.
And that’s why Tillerson at Exxon and Mulva at ConocoPhillips, bless their hearts, they’re doing what they need to do, as corporate CEOs, but they’re not my biggest fans, because what I had to do up there in Alaska was to break up a monopoly up there and say, you know, the people are going to come first and we’re going to make sure that we have value given to the people of Alaska with those resources.
And those huge tax breaks aren’t coming to the big multinational corporations anymore, not when it adversely affects the people who live in a state and, in this case, in a country who should be benefiting at the same time.
So it was Barack Obama who voted for that energy plan that gave those tax breaks to the oil companies that I then had to turn around, as a governor of an energy-producing state, and kind of undo in my own area of expertise, and that’s energy.
October 4, 2008 at 4:25 am #641958
JoBParticipantmeg,
you hit the nail on the head…
she responded but didn’t answer..
which is what NR does.
it’s no wonder she can’t tell the difference…
or can she?
October 4, 2008 at 4:29 am #641959
CaitParticipantNew Resident – how do you expect us to explain the obvious?
She was asked about how she was going to end polarization. She said she was known for bipartisonship but failed to provide ANY indication of how she’s done that.
When asked to respond to McCain’s health care plan she stuck to the script on taxes, spewed untrue statements about how Obama would raise taxes (and failed to mention that it would only be minimally for those making more than $250,000 a year.) She deflected two direct questions about health care with tax increases TWICE. Tax increases that factually do not exist. She briefly touched on it with her “details” answer which again, only focused on its effect on TAXES!
She said “I want to go back” in response to at least 10 questions. She was three questions behind all night. She said it numerous times during the night and then she used the “say it ain’t so Joe” line to berate Biden for the same thing.
When Biden was answering a question about how to keep American family in their homes here was her response: “I want to talk about, again, my record on energy versus your ticket’s energy ticket, also.”
The only two subjects she was able to talk about directly were taxes and energy and did so when speaking about more important issues, like keeping roofs over people’s heads and keeping them healthy. Oh and of course how she does not support the rights of gays (however she does support the right of hunters to kill animals).
When asked about a foreign policy plan she only talked about the the “success of the surge” (which Obama did too and I DO NOT agree) and offered no clear plan because she does not have one. She said we would be done when they could govern themselves but offered no indication that she’s know what that looked like, how we’d get there, or how we would proceed if that happened.
I’m only about half way through the speech here, you want more?
October 4, 2008 at 4:44 am #641960
CaitParticipantNope – too much fun.
She did say that she would forge a better relationship with our ally Israel. So she’s good at making friends with our friends, but completely out to lunch about how to deal with our “enemies”. She doesn’t even know who they are for god’s sake, which Biden was quick to remind her of.
Palin: “Positive change is coming, though. Reform of government is coming. We’ll learn from the past mistakes in this administration and other administrations.” – EXAMPLES?! That’s what we’re listening for here and she’s not giving us jack. Great talking point – what are you going to do when you have your hand on the button ma’am? But she did rely on that “maverick” line that got her so far. Everything that followed that – patently and factually WRONG.
How she would differ from McCain on ANWR – they “agree to disagree” because they are “Mavericks”… where is that “getting together and getting the job done” that you were doing with the other party not to mention your OWN? Haven’t worked that one out quite yet? Haven’t you had quite a while to do that in Washington?
Perhaps her worst instance of not responding was in connection to Biden’s personal experience with no knowing if a child and wife were going to make it in a fatal car accident. She gave us the “maverick” line again with not a glance in his direction or an acknowledgment of what he had said. It was the wordy equivalent to “yeah… but isn’t McCain great!” At which point he gave her the one-two punch about the maverick thing which rang very very true.
That was just skimming…
October 4, 2008 at 4:51 am #641961
megMemberSo, did you get it yet NR? Just checking…since once people give you facts you never seem to respond.
October 4, 2008 at 5:20 am #641962
RSMemberI don’t get it. If this forum is so a) full of mean-spirited people, b) rife with double standards, c) characterized by people who don’t want to learn or teach me anything, d) not a safe space for my personal political views and opinions, WHY would hypothetical me continue to both post in multiple threads *and/* constantly complain about everyone’s posting style and opinions. I think I would find a forum that didn’t piss me off and harass me so much. But that’s just me and my opinion.
October 4, 2008 at 5:57 am #641963
JanSParticipantOh, and let us not forget how well General McKiernan in Afghanistan liked being called General McClellan. Something, heaven forbid, happens to John McCain if he’s elected, and she has no clue who she’s dealing with in one of the problem areas in our world? Whoa…
and exactly what were those numbers of troops in Iraq?
October 4, 2008 at 6:06 am #641964
CaitParticipantJanS – indeed! NR – go ahead and respond to JanS by saying that Biden made factual errors too. And sight her lengthy experience governing a state that is 23 years YOUNGER than John McCain. And feel free to completely disregard my lengthy post answering your passive aggressive questioning about how she skirted all the important questions she asked. Don’t worry. I’ll wait.
October 4, 2008 at 6:38 am #641965
miwsParticipantMaybe Palin is one of the writers of the “Ask A ……” columns that appear in The Onion, where “readers” pose a question, totally unrelated to whatever the column writer is or does, yet the writer responds with an answer that *does* apply to what they are or do, but unrelated to the actual question.
Mike
October 4, 2008 at 6:55 am #641966
ariettaParticipantOctober 4, 2008 at 3:29 pm #641967
MrJTMemberCait, Thanks for citing the questions asked by NR. It really is the only way to get her to go away.
October 4, 2008 at 3:55 pm #641968
beachdrivegirlParticipantThe following part of the transcript was about 10 (maybe 15) minutes into the debate. This is when I officially started puking b/c i realized how insincere and disrespectful not only Palin but the entire McCain camp were planning on being during the debate. Because I realized she didnt come to debate she came with a prewritten speech and wasnt going to answer any of the questions posed.
“IFILL: Governor, please if you want to respond to what he said about Sen. McCain’s comments about health care?
PALIN: I would like to respond about the tax increases. We can speak in agreement here that darn right we need tax relief for Americans so that jobs can be created here. Now, Barack Obama and Sen. Biden also voted for the largest tax increases in U.S. history. Barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people’s side and reduce taxes and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction, 94 times.
Now, that’s not what we need to create jobs and really bolster and heat up our economy. We do need the private sector to be able to keep more of what we earn and produce. Government is going to have to learn to be more efficient and live with less if that’s what it takes to reign in the government growth that we’ve seen today. But we do need tax relief and Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year. That’s a lot of middle income average American families to increase taxes on them. I think that is the way to kill jobs and to continue to harm our economy.
IFILL: Senator?
BIDEN: The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she’s referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way. It was a budget procedural vote. John McCain voted the same way. It did not raise taxes. Number two, using the standard that the governor uses, John McCain voted 477 times to raise taxes. It’s a bogus standard it but if you notice, Gwen, the governor did not answer the question about deregulation, did not answer the question of defending John McCain about not going along with the deregulation, letting Wall Street run wild. He did support deregulation almost across the board. That’s why we got into so much trouble.
IFILL: Would you like to have an opportunity to answer that before we move on?
PALIN: I’m still on the tax thing because I “
October 4, 2008 at 3:55 pm #641969
beachdrivegirlParticipantSorry posted twice!
October 4, 2008 at 5:07 pm #641970
addParticipantHere are two more, taken from a NYTimes article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04blow.html?em
“Ms. Palin also tended to seize on a single point or phrase of Mr. Biden or the moderator, Gwen Ifill of PBS, and veer off on her own direction in her 90-second answer. Asked whether the poor economy would cause Mr. McCain to cut his spending plans, Ms. Palin picked up on Mr. Biden’s discussion of energy to criticize Mr. Obama’s positions on energy and talk about her fights against oil companies in Alaska.
In response to a question about her views on an exit strategy in Iraq, Ms. Palin championed Mr. McCain’s support for the “surge” of American troops there; hailed “a great American hero,” Gen. David H. Petraeus; and attacked Mr. Obama’s Senate vote against federal financing for troops in Iraq, which Mr. Biden also once criticized.”
October 4, 2008 at 8:28 pm #641971
CaitParticipantYa know something else, NR (I’m sorry I’m really worked up about this) “I’m not going to answer the questions the way you or the moderator would like” works for Palin, you’re future president, but not for your neighbors? Either reevaluate the way you speak to us or how much you vehemently support Sarah Palin. I’m thinking option number one is more than good for anyone here.
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