Washington State Ferries could use more boats, more staff, more money, officials tell winter community meeting’s first session

(Photo by Theresa Arbow-O’Connor)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Washington State Ferries officials spent a lot of time at midday today talking about shortages and what’s being done to alleviate them, during the first of two sessions of their systemwide winter community meeting.

Some of the information came in presentations, and some in an extensive Q&A period that comprised 60 percent of the online meeting.

Almost 200 participants were signed in by the start of the meeting, facilitated by WSF’s Hadley Rodero. When polled to ask which route they used the most, the largest group – 25 percent – cited the San Juan Islands; the Fauntleroy-Vashon-Southworth route accounted for 14 percent of the respondents.

Of the five featured speakers from WSF, chief of staff Nicole McIntosh spoke first, with system updates. She noted the impending departure of ferries head Patty Rubstello (who is staying until a successor is found, McIntosh reiterated). Here are the 2023 stats she presented, including 70 life-saving events and 530 whale sightings:

Ridership is still below pre-pandemic levels:

Last year was up to 78 percent of pre-pandemic ridership, McIntosh said.

Second to speak was director of planning, customer, and government relations John Vezina, who talked about the newly released Service Contingency Plan. He said it was created once WSF realized they weren’t meeting the goals in their previous Service Restoration Plans, and that people needed a more realistic picture of where things stand, e.g.: “This is what we got and how we’re going to deploy it.” They have “no spare vessels” and don’t expect even the first new one to be completed any sooner than 2028.

Here’s how they’re deploying the fleet they have:

Restoring three-boat service to Fauntleroy-Vashon-Southworth remains a priority, and they’ll add one, unscheduled, whenever available:

Since they’re now able to cast a wider net for potential shipbuilders, they plan to put out an invitation to bid in April. They have 9 potential bidders, it was noted later. Regarding the personnel challenges, Vezina said they’ve been sounding the alarm for almost a decade, and they didn’t get the budget to address it – their funding is decided by elected state officials – but now that it’s at crisis level, that’s changing. He said crewing issues go beyond WSF – a 20,000-person shortage of mariners globally – per their conversations with other ferry systems such as BC Ferries and Alaska Marine Highway System.

The personnel-shortage discussion continued with director of marine operations Steve Nevey, who explained the career path and how it’s not just a matter of hiring a person and sticking them on a boat. They have enough deck personnel, he said, but are short in other categories higher up the ladder – licensed deck officers. “It’s not as simple as hiring a bunch of people (in the entry-level roles),” he said. A looming crisis is retirements of many captains and chief engineers:

Late winter and spring comprise WSF’s main hiring season, he added. They’re also focused on training to get more people into those higher-level categories:

Those programs have upped the rate at which they’ve been adding licensed deck officers, he said. (AB stands for “able-bodied sailor.”) He went through more details of the training programs and even a new scholarship program to help beef up the workforce:

“We see this as a long-term strategy” to help alleviate the officer shortage, Nevey explained. As for the people who keep the boats running, he also explained that career path – you need 1,800 days on a boat to become a chief engineer, for example – and some innovations to help that shortage:

And they’re working on programs to advance people along the career path too:

Next to speak was WSF director of finance and administration Todd Lamphere. He brought the numbers proposed by the governor in the budget process – still a work in progress as the Legislature drafts their version:

Here are highlights of what that money would go toward, including studying passenger-only service – which WSF used to operate – and studying the next class of vessels (which would replace the Issaquah class, the primary vessel class on the Triangle Route), plus electrification of the fleet and terminals:

The electrification topic was continued by terminal-engineering director David Sowers, who mentioned that electrification of Seattle and Bainbridge is in pre-design. Later this month they’re publishing a “request for information” on vessel-charging systems, a precursor to bidding. Vessel electrification is under way with M/V Wenatchee, and once that boat is back in service, M/V Tacoma will go in for that work. He also noted planning continues for the Fauntleroy terminal replacement:

“We’re making a lot of progress narrowing down the alternatives to look at,” was his only elaboration on Fauntleroy. That wrapped up the presentations, at which point the question/answer period opened, about 45 minutes into the meeting. Questions were submitted in writing via the videoconferencing system’s Q/A feature. We’re only noting the ones of potential relevance to local riders, but there were others regarding the routes outside Seattle.

Second question was, why did it take so long to seek bids for new ferries? McIntosh said they didn’t build new boats for a decade because they “lost (their) dedicated source of funding.” Then, as she recapped, their plan for Vigor to build new ferries fell apart when an agreement wasn’t reached. But the new bidding method authorized by the Legislature will allow them to build two or three at a time, she added.

The third question asked about raising funding via wrapping boats with advertising; Vezina said the Coca-Cola ad wrapping generated enough of an uproar – due to how it looked – that they are reevaluating policies, though he added that the revenue is certainly needed.

Fourth question was regarding the Triangle Route, and whether the schedule might be updated given that three-boat-service restoration isn’t likely to happen any time soon. Vezina called concerns “reasonable” and said that they’d have to do outreach before changes – plus WSF is currently down to one service planner and they’d need more help there, as the San Juan Islands schedule needs attention first. “As soon as we have the service planning capacity … we will turn our attention to rewriting the two-boat schedule (for the Triangle Route).” The next question was related – what about adding more King County passenger-ferry service on the Triangle Route? Vezina mentioned the recent Vashon survey. by King County, and “real legislative interest” in making it happen. The state is helping fund more passenger service to Bremerton while WSF is down to one-boat service, so it would likely be stopgap funding like that, until full service on Fauntleroy-Vashon-Southworth is restored.

Next question, what about selling surplus old ferries? Two of the three they currently are trying to unload may be moved by month’s end, Lamphere said, and the buyer is in fact currently in town as they work out a plan. On the personnel topic, one person – apparently a WSF employee – asked why shifts are so frequently changed, potentially causing sleep issues among other problems for employees. Nevey said the scheduling issue is “complex” and noted that “every boat has a different running schedule” and that scheduling is indeed “not conducive to work-life balance” but WSF is “working on” the issue. There were other questions about recruitment – yes, it’s being done at schools, too, said McIntosh – and yes, labor unions are helping. What about retention? Nevey was asked. “For the last few years, we’ve been working to change the culture,” he said, and the schedule-improvement work should help. But retirements remain the largest category of employee loss, he added, along with “people coming in fresh and seeing the work isn’t what they thought it would be.”

Rider-alert messages sometimes give incorrect information, another attendee said, more a comment than a question. Vezina acknowledged that they could do a better job with messaging. He said the customer-service team works hard to keep track of what’s happening all around the system, and things change, so messaging is sometimes difficult.

Will the new Fauntleroy terminal be built with electrification? Will the ferries on the Triangle Route be electrified? Short answer, yes, said Sowers, and the Southworth terminal, too. “There’s still some discussion of whether we would electrify Vashon or not – I think the answer is no, but we’re still looking at that.” But that’s closer to the end of the decade than other routes, he cautioned.

Elaborating on electrification, Lamphere said it will ultimately lead to fuel savings. And it’s the main reason behind the increase in WSF capital funding proposed by the governor.

Back to staffing, Nevey said they’re looking at new ways to avoid crew shortages, such as more routinely staffing above Coast Guard minimum. McIntosh fielded another staffing question – what toll did the COVID-vaccine mandate take? McIntosh said they lost 120 people, and they’ve hired back “a few of those,” but that overall hiring has surpassed that number – 180 new hires last year alone, as an earlier slide showed.

Will they do another origin/destination study (here’s the one from 2013) any time soon? Vezina’s long answer boiled down to, not any time soon, but they did do a precursor demographic study recently. When is the next fare increase? That depends on what the Legislature decides regarding the percentage of WSF funding that should come from fares – once they know that, if a fare change would be required, they work with the state Transportation Commission on that.

What can people do to support WSF’s efforts at improvement? Tell your state legislators to support the system, McIntosh said. That was the final question in the meeting, which ran for two hours, with an hour and a quarter of that devoted to Q/A; if you missed it, you can attend a second session, also online, tomorrow (Thursday, January 18) at 6 pm – find the registration link here. WSF promises to post a recording of this meeting (and tomorrow’s) on the WSF website.

34 Replies to "Washington State Ferries could use more boats, more staff, more money, officials tell winter community meeting's first session"

  • Jim January 18, 2024 (12:08 am)

    Well I guess our elected officials should have done a better job getting funds for the Washington State ferries. Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray bragged about getting 2.4 million for Washington state. The federal government allocated $246 million dollars nationwide for ferry systems. New Jersey got 12 million for a new foot passenger boat. We have the largest ferry system in the entire world. We received less than 1% of the entire allocated funds.

    The WSF get most of their operating budget from fares(around 75%) a bizarre way to go about things. It’s part of the highway system. At the very least Washington State residents or Island residents should receive discounts (And don’t give me that ridiculous argument of “they choose to live on an island” some people are born there or have businesses that are generational and can’t afford to just go somewhere else; that also should not be the answer in a rational society

    • Paul Huffman January 18, 2024 (7:02 am)

      Washington State Ferries is Not the largest in the world, not even close, the largest in the U.S. yes. BC ferries has a much larger and more modern/ advanced fleet.

    • Jeff_P January 18, 2024 (8:44 am)

      I cannot find anything online that backs this up. Can you provide a link? There’s nothing bizarre about the fares unless you want more property taxes or sales taxes paying for it. We don’t have income tax so this is what we are stuck with… and Fed pays a lot more than 1 million. Not sure where you got that. New Jersey also has way way way way more traffic and a lot older vessels, so that’s how that was determined. I am not sure what you expect here…

      • Jim January 18, 2024 (6:35 pm)

        Backs what up?! Look up Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell and the 2.4 million dollars in funding you’ll find it there’s plenty of articles. I expect that we get our fair share given that as it is now Washington State gets less than a dollar back for every dollar that we pay into the federal system. And if we’re going to modernize and upgrade transportation if we’ve got the biggest system seems only fair that we should get more than 1% of the allocated funds

  • Watertowerjim January 18, 2024 (4:13 am)

    So, that’s a great spin by them – but the 180 new hires are needed every year to account for attrition.  The question that needs to be asked is “it appears roughly 2/3 of the no ops are caused by lack of crew.  If you hadn’t fired the 120 for not getting the vaccine how much would that number be reduced?”  Not that they’ll give you a answer.

    • Mr J January 18, 2024 (10:25 am)

      Not everything is a conspiracy. You can simply submit a FIOA request. I know that takes effort but shouting into the void and commenting based on conspiracy feelings is lazy. People refusing to get the vaccine during such a critical moment in public health is a clear indication that they shouldn’t be around the public. The WSF needs the legislature to allow them to raise pay and re-work their “on-call” and location policies that would help with hiring. But do go off on an anti-vax tirade. 

      • Watertowerjim January 18, 2024 (3:44 pm)

        Conspiracy?  I’m asking the media to find out how much cancelations would be reduced if those 120 were never let go. We never had this problem pre pandemic.  How is that a conspiracy?  

        • K January 18, 2024 (6:04 pm)

          This was a problem pre-pandemic.  The West Seattle Blog has a Search feature, please consider using it.  There is a global shortage of mariners.

    • k January 18, 2024 (10:45 am)

      If municipalities didn’t enforce any level of basic public health standard, they’d be plagued by people calling in sick instead.  Same end result for users, more chaotic and stressful (and expensive to taxpayers) trying to constantly bounce around coverage you thought you had, and suddenly don’t.  At least with staffing issues, they know they’re going to be short tomorrow BEFORE tomorrow.  There’s your answer.  Happy to help.  

      • Watertowerjim January 18, 2024 (3:48 pm)

        How?  We all know now that the vaccine didn’t reduce spread it just help us from getting seriously ill.  I guess you could assume all 120 would have gotten seriously ill but that’s quite the stretch based on what we know now – especially if they were working a majority of the time outdoors and well outside of 6 feet.

  • Harborislandworker January 18, 2024 (4:30 am)

    I challenge everybody to take a look at the job, descriptions, and qualifications that WSF has… $25 an hour for an on-call position with no guaranteed hours and a list of qualifications…that the majority of people don’t have or would take some time to get… they say you need to have your twic card within 30 days but if you go to the twic website they are backed up 60 day’s I ultimately think it’s things like these that don’t encourage people to apply 🤷‍♂️ or maybe it’s just me 

    • Wendell January 18, 2024 (9:53 am)

      Nope. Sad to say, it’s not just you that has experienced this.

    • Jeff January 18, 2024 (10:04 am)

      Yep, that’s me.    I looked into it and found the reward didn’t come close to being worth the effort, while the requirements may not even be possible to meet.  But people keep crying about how “nobody wants to work anymore!” and aren’t interested in hearing real stories like this.   

    • 1994 January 18, 2024 (9:18 pm)

      Agreed – the low pay and on-call hiring conditions kinda sunk a lot of prospective applicants.  Have you seen the WSDOT Ferries new commercials on TV for recruiting hew hires? I saw the first one this week. Sounds like a good job until you learn about the on-call thing.

      • WS Res January 19, 2024 (10:46 am)

        I had a grad student who was self-funding his degree and very badly needed work – he went through the trainings and got hired but found the on-call thing made his grad study impossible, because he couldn’t guarantee he’d get enough work to meet his budget needs, but also couldn’t keep missing classes because of suddenly getting a call to work. It’s an impossible situation for an employee and anybody with any other choices (most people in this economy) would choose something else.

  • AMD January 18, 2024 (6:17 am)

    Has there been any kind of study on the impact the reduced ferry service has had on the orca populations, or the environmental impact of fewer boats?

  • Al King January 18, 2024 (6:34 am)

    Biggest issue was state officials asleep at the wheel and not ordering new ferries in a timely fashion. Also, part of the problem was the state demanding in state builders. No local shipyards bid, Also, the demand new ferries must be hybrid or electric. That is still new technology and there are few shipyards bidding. Another-not unique to WSF is the lack of people wanting a maritime career.

  • Mike January 18, 2024 (7:03 am)

    The ferry system has poor management. Let’s start there. 

  • Lola January 18, 2024 (7:29 am)

    Are we sure that Trip Reliability is correct?  97.7%  I see how far that line is for the Fauntleroy Ferry almost daily and it is astounding how many people wait for hours just to get across.  The amount of times they have had to take a Ferry out of service, or because the Ferry had Run Aground, or hit something would be enough to lower that 97 %.  Like Jim says above, why are our Elected officials not getting us more money for these boats?   

    • my two cents January 18, 2024 (5:07 pm)

      Length of line to board a ferry does not necessarily equate to reliability. The impacts to the reliability rate don’t add up. For simplicity, say there are 50 sailings a day (25 round trips) thought out the day. 50 sailings x 7days a week x 52 weeks per year = 18,200 annual sailings. Multiply that by 2.3% and 418 “run aground or hit something” events per year – or 1.1 per day.

      • WSB January 18, 2024 (5:11 pm)

        In the Q&A, WSF went into some detail in response to a question about how they calculate “reliability.” It doesn’t necessarily relate to schedule. They see it as, did the trip eventually happen, even if it was late?

  • Rick January 18, 2024 (8:14 am)

    Sure wish I could run my household budget that way.

  • Mr J January 18, 2024 (8:57 am)

    A simple Google Search shows in the last two years the WSF got around 39 million in Federal Money, some of that was Covid relief money though. This is an epic failure for 30+ years of neglect by all officials. Now that the terminals are falling apart and the ferries are breaking down they need a massive influx of money because we’re just now upgrading them. Raising  fares only makes this system work for people with that kind of disposable income. It’s an easy money grab that allows the State to keep sitting on their hands.

  • Daniel January 18, 2024 (9:23 am)

    You have an unclosed html tag after Vigor which is breaking formatting on the rest of the page 

    • WSB January 18, 2024 (9:38 am)

      fixed, thank you.

      • Lucian Smith January 18, 2024 (1:38 pm)

        The Vigor seems to be fixed, but that’s still the place where something else is broken that leads to everything being bolded from there on.

        • WSB January 18, 2024 (2:07 pm)

          More rogue carats. All gone now, I think.

  • Don Brubeck January 18, 2024 (8:49 pm)

    FWIW: WSF presented current annual operating cost of $740M and capital cost of $533M. Total current cost is $1.273B per year paid by all WA taxpayers. That is the net cost above and beyond the fares paid by the 19M passengers and any federal grants.  $1.273B/19M passengers = $67 per person per trip from state revenue. The governor’s proposal increases the state tax subsidy to about $72 per person per trip. Be careful what you  wish for.

    • Don Brubeck January 19, 2024 (10:28 am)

      Correction after looking at the state budget proposals: the annual operating cost does include fare revenue and vehicle charges of about $400M. So the total cost paid for by state and federal taxpayers outside of fares is about $46 per passenger per trip. Transportation budget details are at https://ofm.wa.gov/sites/default/files/public/budget/statebudget/24supp/GovProposed2024SuppTranspoFinPlan.pdf

      • 1994 January 19, 2024 (10:28 pm)

        $46 per passenger trip – haha – if they can even find staff to run the ferries…..whoever came up with the on-call staffing idea should have been fired. May have sound great on paper but when the boat hits the water the idea doesn’t even float.

  • WSgoodtakes January 19, 2024 (11:18 am)

    Low utilization sailings should be cut or reduced until it makes financial sense to run.   We need to stop subsidizing the ferries – it’s a crazy system.If you want to commute by boat (very expensive means of travel), you should be required to pay for it. 

    • Don Brubeck January 19, 2024 (8:08 pm)

      We taxpayers subsidize all forms of transportation. The cities, counties, and states build the roads, highways, paths, waterways and bridges, sometimes with federal tax funding. City streets, and bridges are paid for primarily by property taxes, not by gas taxes or tolls . Buses are subsidized. King County Metro per trip cost is about $10 per bus passenger. Commuter rail, ferries, and water taxis are much more heavily subsidized than buses.  Freight rail was given its rights-of-way by generous federal grants of land. Land and facilities for airports and air traffic control are taxpayer funded. All these to some extent “make financial sense” for the taxpayers to fund and the government to run, for the good of our overall economy and ways of life. But there are plenty of choices to make for the most sensible and economical  use of our resources.

    • Ivan Weiss January 19, 2024 (8:34 pm)

      This is not only not a “good take,” it’s an ignorant take. Ferry riders pay more toward upkeep and maintenance, by percentage, than users of any other transportation mode in this state. This has been the case since even before Initiative 695. 

  • michael January 22, 2024 (10:29 am)

    https://wstc.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/2018-0417-BP2-CrossSoundTravel.pdf    what about the tunnel, boats aren’t the only way to fix this

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