About those surveillance-video trailers at Westwood Village

We’ve gotten lots of questions about the new solar-powered surveillance-video trailers at Westwood Village.

Five are in place around the center. The company that makes them, Utah-based LiveView Technologies, says 3,500 are in use at a variety of sites – construction, energy, retail, government. According to the company’s website and a promotional video, the trailers send streaming video, and have the potential for features from thermal detection to “vehicle recognition.” You might also have noticed they have speakers, so warnings can be delivered (as in this marketing video).

They’ve drawn media attention in other places where they’ve been used or considered – Walmart stores use them under the name Lot Cops, for example. In Eugene, Oregon, the police are considering using them; a cost of $20,000 to $85,000 each was cited in coverage there.

So you’re being watched. But who’s watching? We took that question to Westwood Village management. The center’s managers aren’t allowed to talk with the media, so they sent our inquiry to the communications team at their company, Madison Marquette. The resulting response was basically “no comment”:

Thank you for your inquiry. Because the safety and security of our shoppers, employees, restaurants and retailers is of the utmost importance, we do not share the specifics of our security programs or procedures since doing so could comprise our security efforts.

Right now, many WWV storefronts are vacant or closed by government order, so the security need is different than pre-COVID-19. But it was just a year ago that you might recall police had planned to deploy a monitoring tower at the center and elsewhere; that ultimately never happened.

34 Replies to "About those surveillance-video trailers at Westwood Village"

  • Jon Wright April 25, 2020 (7:28 pm)

    I’ve seen similar gizmos in the Kent Fred Meyer parking lot.

  • Js April 25, 2020 (7:53 pm)

    Anything will help. I call Westwood “Fort Apache” my purse was stolen at Target…..yes reported to police and have case #. Even contacted stores that let %’s use it with no ID check. We are careful but impossible to constantly be on guard. Good news.

    • John Smith April 25, 2020 (11:27 pm)

      Js, if your “no ID check” was in regard to credit cards, according to the major processing networks’ (VISA, for example) agreements, as long as the card is signed, in most cases ID cannot be required to use the card. The card processors don’t want obstacles in the way of using their cards. If you haven’t already done so, call VISA (or the appropriate network) to report the credit card stolen.

      • Js April 26, 2020 (8:58 am)

        We cancelled cards . In fact card companies texted us with activity before we could report stolen. They were great. I called one store who had three separate charges back to back in 13 min. I called them and gave them info and case # to view video. They knew charges will be reversed and lose the sale. Never called back. I would have paid him to view it. 90  dollars in charges.

    • Jennifer M April 26, 2020 (3:53 am)

      “Fort Apache” !?! Seriously!?! WTF!?!

      • Js April 26, 2020 (6:48 pm)

        Boomer here. Still walking. Fort Apache was probably not a PC example. Just meant a dangerous place to come too. Point is the.area is whack.

    • Ry April 27, 2020 (5:35 pm)

      Did anything come of the video footage/ police investigation? My wallet was stolen and the store keeper had video of the event and perpetrators, but the police said the video wouldn’t help and that they never end up resolving crimes of this nature nor catching/identifying these criminals (similar to auto theft) so they don’t even accept the store’s video recording. Very upsetting. Was this your experience as well? I am beginning to believe that this type of mass surveillance isn’t to protect us, but rather to erode any semblance of privacy we have remaining (which is almost zilch at this point since the advent of the cellphone, gps, and internet).

  • Chuck April 25, 2020 (8:33 pm)

    The CCP approves this message. SMDH. 

  • Wondering April 25, 2020 (9:02 pm)

    Hey Chuck, What is the CCP?  Not sure what SMDH is either…… 

  • N.A. April 25, 2020 (9:30 pm)

    CCP is the Communist Party of China.  Big Brother?

    • Eddie April 25, 2020 (10:25 pm)

      On private property, how is this any different than the ubiquitous Ring doorbell cam?I love that commercial by the way:  “FACT! Everyone loves doorbell cameras….”

    • West Seattle Hipster April 25, 2020 (10:31 pm)

      Since our president is a Russian operative, this is the new norm.

      • Cratewasher April 26, 2020 (9:18 am)

        Trump is the archetypal American. Foreigners are not surprised he is our president. He is the same corrupt narcissist they already recognize from touristing in, sanctioning and bombing their countries. It also doesn’t surprise foreigners that we would try to blame foreigners for our own diseased system. 

    • WW Resident April 26, 2020 (6:32 am)

      Communist Party of China. Like Britain? 

  • Eric1 April 25, 2020 (10:46 pm)

    I am not sure why people are worried about these cameras. My assumption is that you are being watched everywhere you go unless you are in the national forest.  If you go to any place with electricity and internet available, there are cameras.  Most of the time they are not as obvious but at least these are in the open and you know about them.  If yon’t like being watched by these cameras, don’t go to WWV.  I am sure the owners know that if these were installed, a certain number of people (X) won’t want to go to WWV for those precise reason.  However, they weigh this against the number of people who stay away because of the riff-raff that hangs around WWV but would feel comfortable enough to  go to WWV if cameras were installed (Y).  The are betting that X < Y and they will gain customers.  They are probably also hoping that a subset of X includes people who steal and or otherwise cause trouble at WWV.  I doubt that the reasons are any more complex than this.  I could worry about Big Brother watching me on these particular cameras but tinfoil hats just don’t look good.  Besides, I am not sure I could name you a place of business that doesn’t have security cameras.

    • WSB April 25, 2020 (11:41 pm)

      Most of the people who asked us about them, resulting in this story, were more curious than anything. I said something similar to the first person who emailed us … well, aren’t there surveillance cameras EVERYWHERE? (So much has changed since the uproar over the SPD cameras we covered extensively back in 2013.) But then we went to see them for ourselves, and I get why they are kind of startling … they just have a sort of prison-yard look to them, unadorned cameras and a speaker on a pole…

      • Bill April 26, 2020 (10:42 am)

        And – here – just in from the 1950’s: “Smile! – You’re on Candid Camera”!

    • Ivan Weiss April 26, 2020 (8:38 am)

      “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self−willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin−scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

      — George Orwell, “1984”

      • Bill April 26, 2020 (10:45 am)

        You’re one guy that “Gets it”!

  • 1994 April 25, 2020 (11:11 pm)

    And I thought they were for the detour traffic surge that will come one day. 

  • Zac April 25, 2020 (11:36 pm)

    There has been a string of break ins and attempted break ins here lately, and one attempt at my place of work. The security people are nice, but when someone spends 30-40 minutes breaking into businesses in the late/early hours and the roaming security doesn’t catch it, then more drastic measures should surely be taken. 

  • Bradley April 26, 2020 (12:23 am)

    A few years ago a QFC manager told me once that their company’s district nicknamed Westwood Village “Westwood Pillage” due to the outrageous thefts that occur there. 

  • uncle loco April 26, 2020 (7:06 am)

    What good will these cameras do if everyone is wearing a mask?

    • Timothy April 27, 2020 (12:02 pm)

      Hmm, aren’t these X ray machines?   Your point about masks is right on.  Made me laugh a bunch!  Thanks

  • Helen F April 26, 2020 (8:23 am)

    I inquired about this yesterday-early evening- and here is the answer. Thank you, WSB! You rock!

  • Fauntie April 26, 2020 (9:32 am)

    Qfc Westwood is the worst.  They never have the bathroom clean or open.  When I saw a young boy have an accident in the store we decided our family would never shop there again!   Kroger is a Massive Corporation, management simply doesn’t care or get it !  

  • Mr E April 26, 2020 (9:35 am)

    I guess this means all the Libertarians in the area will want to move and live somewhere else now. Maybe Wyoming? I hear Wyoming is nice.

    • The King April 26, 2020 (11:17 am)

      With comments like I see hundreds of years have passed and the thinking is still the same. Much like the Native Americans who resides here for thousands of years who’s culture and beliefs were  considered the devil so they were killed off, ran out or had it beaten out of them. Anyone in Seattle who dare thinks differently than the herd take notice, they don’t want you here is putting it lightly, they hate you. 

    • Js April 26, 2020 (7:00 pm)

      ” Sal, Wyoming is not a country.”  Dog Day Afternoon.

  • DRW April 26, 2020 (11:05 am)

    They should move them to the bus stop!

  • Norman April 27, 2020 (7:06 am)

    These aren’t SPD, KCSO or State Patrol cameras, these are privately owned by an out of state company, these aren’t here for your up-to-the-minute safety, ready to dial 9-1-1 in a moments notice. Everyone is getting far too complacent for their own good

  • Orwell April 27, 2020 (9:16 am)

    “It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts
    wander when you
    were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The
    smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of
    anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself – anything that carried with it the
    suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an
    improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was
    announced, for example) was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word
    for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called. (1.5.65)

    The
    Party’s surveillance tactics and technology are so advanced that even the
    smallest twitch can betray a rebellious spirit
    Nineteen Eighty-Four Book 1 Chapter 5 – George Orwell

    He took
    his scribbling pad on his knee and pushed back his chair so as to get as far
    away from the telescreen as possible. To keep your face expressionless was not
    difficult, and even your breathing could be controlled, with an effort: but you
    could not control the beating of your heart, and the telescreen was quite
    delicate enough to pick it up. (1.7.22)

    The
    Party’s chief monitoring device, the telescreen, is so sensitive that it can
    detect the rapid beatings of a person’s rebellious heart.
    Book 1, Chapter 7

  • 3.141 April 30, 2020 (10:16 am)

    Clown-drone,  a wolf in sheep’s clothing ?  

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