The NEXT bridge crunch; bike/pedestrian path alert; more, @ Viaduct South Portal Working Group briefing

(Spokane Street Viaduct construction photo, from presentation at Wednesday meeting)
By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Get ready for another traffic crunch on the Spokane Street Viaduct section of the West Seattle Bridge. That was one of the toplines from Wednesday’s meeting of the South Portal Working Group, an advisory group convened mostly on behalf of the ongoing Alaskan Way Viaduct/Tunnel work, but typically briefed on other major road projects affecting our side of the city, so we usually cover this group’s quarterly meetings as a place to get MEGA-EARLY heads-up.

First – if you want to cut to the chase, here’s the entire 42-page presentation given to the group, covering the north and central area progress on 99 as well as components of more interest here. Tons of information.

Now, back to that aforementioned crunch: According to SDOT, sometime next month, all Spokane Street Viaduct traffic will have to be shifted onto the new north-side structure, so that work can be done on the old south-side structure for at least six weeks. When that happens, there will be three traffic lanes – one eastbound, and two westbound.

More on that – and other toplines from the meeting, including some discussion of last week’s eastbound bridge-closure backups, ahead:

That temporary constriction is part of the ongoing Spokane Street Viaduct Widening Project. Asked again when it will be done, SDOT said that the deadline for the contractor is end of July, and that they’re pushing right up against it – in other words, not likely to finish early. Regarding the long-awaited 1st Avenue South on/offramp in the westbound direction – which we most recently were told wouldn’t be fully complete till summer – the current expectation is that it will be available as an offramp, perhaps this spring, before it’s usable as an onramp too.

As for the work on 99 – several aspects of potential interest include:

-WSDOT says working on what will be the northbound elevated section in SODO, parallel to the one carrying all the traffic now (which will eventually be the southbound section), will be “very challenging.” Some overnight closures are likely “later this spring.”

-The South Atlantic overcrossing work will start this summer.

-The bike/pedestrian path along the Alaskan Way South detour will go through some changes in the months ahead as work proceeds. Here are “before” and “after” maps from the Wednesday presentation:

Don’t expect anything to “get back to normal” for a VERY long time; WSDOT’s Matt Preedy explained that for the purposes of the 99 project, the detour “will be in place till late 2013/early 2014” – and by then, the seawall project should be ramped up enough to keep the detour in place.

-Alaskan Way will be widened this spring between Yesler and Spring, taking out the old waterfront-streetcar tracks and paving over that part of the right-of-way.

-Viaduct strengthening work will start next month and continue through August. From the presentation:

March through August, project managers say, “crews will reinforce sections of the viaduct to withstand limited settlement due to tunneling.” They’ll put several hundred “micropiles” – steel pipes – into the ground to do that.

Also discussed:

LAST WEEKEND’S BRIDGE CLOSURE: SDOT offered some “observations” – first, they “competed with ourselves” regarding messaging for the Mercer Street work happening that same weekend. Mercer got citywide media coverage, the West Seattle Bridge did not. They also acknowledged that with the Fauntleroy Expressway Seismic Retrofit Project continuing, “We think we may have confused some people regarding what was closed at night and what was closed all weekend.” One of two West Seattle reps at the meeting, Pete Spalding, told the officials that the signage was “one of the biggest” problems – “There was nothing indicating that the roadway was closed ahead … it gave the time to get to Highway 99, and that was it.” SDOT’s reply: “We agree with that.” (This wasn’t the full official report we’re still expect from SDOT – it just happened to be one of the topics at Wednesday’s meeting.)

MORE ONLINE COORDINATION: This was also a recurring theme in the WSDOT presentation – that they would promise to coordinate project information and online updates between agencies and departments even more than it already is.

HIGHWAY 99 TIMBER BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT: It’s still on the horizon, but no new details were shared. This is the timber-based elevated section of 99 just south of the West Seattle Bridge, and it is slated for replacement. (Last meeting of this group in October also featured a similar message.)

FUTURE MEETINGS: Viaduct project boss Linea Laird announced this group will meet May 2nd, August 1st, and November 7th, all at 4 pm at the Sound Transit board room downtown.

32 Replies to "The NEXT bridge crunch; bike/pedestrian path alert; more, @ Viaduct South Portal Working Group briefing"

  • Robert February 2, 2012 (4:16 pm)

    I assume the 2 lanes westbound is so traffic coming from I-5 doesn’t get backed up but sheesh for eastbound during morning rush hour.

  • sw February 2, 2012 (4:36 pm)

    Is there any way they can use temporary barriers that could be moved mid-day – giving two lanes Eastbound in the am?

  • Jim February 2, 2012 (4:39 pm)

    What does the Spokane Street Viaduct constriction do to the First and Fourth Avenue offramps and the Spokane Street onramp (the one just east of Harbor Island)?

    • WSB February 2, 2012 (4:52 pm)

      Jim – I am following up on this for a separate story because some of what was said at the meeting didn’t entirely make sense, and I was unable to go chase down the spokespeople afterward. My notes say they expect to keep 1st and 4th exits open during that – but I can’t imagine how that would work.

  • Lee February 2, 2012 (4:57 pm)

    I’ve just sent emails to the Mayor and council members Sally Clark, Richard Conlin, Nick Licata and the WSDOT. Here are the council emails: sally.clark@seattle.gov, richard.conlin@seattle.gov, nick.licata@seattle.gov,
    viaduct@wsdot.wa.gov

  • sw February 2, 2012 (5:11 pm)

    I remember hearing something about only one of the exits (1st & 4th) being open at a time, but that does not jive if they entire old roadway is closed. Perhaps ask SDOT to provide renderings of the detour and fully explain just exactly how this will work. The one lane Eastbound will be a disaster.

  • sw February 2, 2012 (5:48 pm)

    Lee: add Peter Hahn and Tom Rasmussen to your list:

    Peter.Hahn@seattle.gov
    Tom.Rasmussen@seattle.gov

    Peter Hahn is SDOT director (the Spokane St Viaduct is an SDOT project) and Councilmember Rasmussen heads the transportation committee.

  • Spokane Commuter February 2, 2012 (7:07 pm)

    I can’t believe they are limiting eastbound on Spokane to ONE lane, this will create an absolute madhouse in the morning for those fighting for I-5N, I-5S and Columbian. Might as well say goodbye to any hope of ever leaving West Seattle.

  • Robert February 2, 2012 (7:35 pm)

    Here’s an idea: All the SDOT employees and contractors AND THEIR FAMILIES working on this project MUST MOVE TO WEST SEATTLE until the project is completed. :-)

  • The Velvet Bulldog February 2, 2012 (7:47 pm)

    If there’s just one lane going eastbound, will it be wide enough to skootch over for emergency vehicles? (There may be laws governing that single lane roads have to be wide enough for this that I’m just not aware of.)

  • (don't often leave SW) February 2, 2012 (7:48 pm)

    yikes – why can’t the 1 of the lanes be reversible?

    the thought of just 1 eastbound lane, ALL the time, for 6 WEEKS…. sounds like a lot of traffic…

    don’t tell my boss but I hope we don’t get selected for the project WAAAAY up north on I-5. instead of a 2 hour trip (one way) for site visits… sounds like it would be 3 hour trip- 5+ hours round trip WTH; may as well get a hotel.

    ( I don’t often leave West Seattle, not ‘SW’..though all the addresses are ‘SW’)

  • rw February 2, 2012 (7:58 pm)

    One lane eastbound for six weeks sounds like a choke-hold on West Seattle, worse than any I have heard of before. More information on how that is supposed to work would be appreciated.

  • East Coast Cynic February 2, 2012 (9:23 pm)

    This sounds worse than “viadoom” week.

  • sw February 2, 2012 (10:19 pm)

    Please forward your concerns to the email addresses listed above. They are being read and they will respond. If we make enough noise there is a better chance that they may look at alternatives.

  • sw February 2, 2012 (10:21 pm)

    Please forward your concerns to the email addresses above. They will be read and they will respond. The more people who voice their concern, the better the chance that they will look at alternatives.

  • Kim February 2, 2012 (10:43 pm)

    @Robert +1

  • LyndaB February 2, 2012 (10:44 pm)

    Wow, that’s gonna be crazy!

  • Rob February 2, 2012 (11:11 pm)

    Good God! I may have to leave at 4am so I can be at work at 8am I work at NOAA in sandpoint so I have no way around it. Dot already messed up my commute by tolling 520

  • DB February 3, 2012 (12:38 am)

    If you’ve ever been to San Diego, and driven the bridge over to Coronado Island (really a penninsula, like WS), they have a Zipper on the bridge, pictures and description in link below:

    http://www.thecoronadocookie.com/coronado-bridge-zipper/

    I’ve often wondered why we don’t have that on the WS Bridge…

  • (required) February 3, 2012 (1:45 am)

    Hey WSB, sorry to contact through a post here, but I can’t call or send email and wanted to let you know — in case you didn’t — that the 20MPH school zone lights on the westbound Roxbury street near White Center are stuck flashing at all hours. Any idea who to contact to report that? Muchos gracias, amigo!

    • WSB February 3, 2012 (7:48 am)

      Hey required – You’re the third person to mention this and we never made it over yesterday to have a look, not that we can do anything about it, but … You can. Just call 206-684-ROAD and report it. – TR

  • RG February 3, 2012 (6:27 am)

    Rob, I was wondering how 520 affects your commute. Do you drive up Sand Point Way NE to get to work?

  • Brandon February 3, 2012 (6:39 am)

    ouch this is going to hurt. I work on the eastside….I might have to go down below the bridge and get on i-90 that way. Good luck everyone, just remember everyone is stuck in traffic not just you, so be nice and things will go better.

  • RobNessly February 3, 2012 (7:28 am)

    since everybody is avoiding 520 its added about 25 minutes more to my southbound 1-5 commute.Everyone takes 1-5 south now. I take sandpoint way north and cut across to lake city way on 95th and hit I-5 off lake city way.

  • John February 3, 2012 (7:28 am)

    Wow – Just read this while eating breakfast, not a good way to start a morning.
    I like the idea of switching the lanes so as not to destroy the eastbound morning commute, but what about also requesting to have the trucks from Harbor Island diverted from accessing the bridge, have them take surface streets to I5. To go one step further, there is another way to get hundreds of vehicles out of the West Seattle commute, divert the Vashon Ferry to Seattle (I understand this is very unlikely). This would remove hundreds of non-West Seattle commuters from the morning and afternoon commutes. This might not be doable for the next month but something has to be done long term about the West Seattle commute or it will become a very unpopular place to live.

  • Angel February 3, 2012 (9:31 am)

    @ Robert +2 :)
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    @ DB I’ve been over that bridge and I’ve thought many times how well it would work for the West Seattle Bridge.
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    @ Rob +1
    .
    I think Seattle should adopt the orange diamond “road work ahead” sign as their permanant symbol.

  • KT February 3, 2012 (10:16 am)

    One eastbound lane? What idiot does not realize that will strangle West Seattle? Or I should ask what idiot doesn’t care that will strangle West Seattle. Here’s a new road sign DOT can erect…”West Seatttle is closed for renovations. See you this summer or maybe fall!”

  • laeti February 3, 2012 (12:05 pm)

    Just sent an email to all these guys.

    I can’t believe they can even consider doing this.

    I’m getting really tired of having to keep track of those road works and lose so much time in traffic :(

    Agreed with some previous comments, they should ban trucks from the West Seattle Bridge. If you ask me, they should even close all traffic to trucks during ruch hour.

  • velo_nut February 3, 2012 (6:59 pm)

    Boooohooooo

    price of progress people GET OVER IT

  • MLJ February 3, 2012 (9:16 pm)

    I find it pretty interesting that one contractor can build an entire elevated roadway, join it up to the existing 99, and demolish part of 99 in a mere fraction of the time these guys have taken to widen the Spokane Street viaduct and add a few ramps.
    .
    I get that this stuff can be inconvenient, but is anyone tracking whether or not the contractor is taking longer than usual for this kind of project?

  • tk February 4, 2012 (10:51 am)

    Remove the center barrier and make one lane reversible! We didn’t have a center barrier until recently, and besides, traffic will be moving at a snail’s pace anyway!

  • rockergirl5678 February 5, 2012 (8:47 pm)

    They use this “zipper” method in Boston for the high occupancy vehicle (carpool) lanes – making it a reversible lane essentially. They change it up each morning and afternoon and actually have a police officer at the entrance watching cars enter to make sure they have 2 or more occupants. I think they should definitely have this on the Spokane Street Viaduct and on the WS bridge they should change the bus only lane to carpool and bus use during the morning commute only, open to all during other hours. Definitely not looking forward to six weeks let alone years more of traffic hell we’ve come to expect because we live in the West side!

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