RANT: Octo hunting in Cove 2

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    sunset
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    DBP
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    sunset (#74) . . . yes and no.

    Yes, a 19-year-old is old enough to know better than to hurt animals. Hell, a 5-year-old should know better than that. But in the case in question, a young person actually made two mistakes, not one. And the age of accountability does not apply equally to both of them.

    His first mistake was “harvesting” an octopus in a particular way. (Whether he regrets that now is a point under discussion here, but I’ll address that in my next post.)

    His second mistake was in boasting about what he did, threatening to go get another octopus, and so on. Looks bad when you think about the poor octopus, yeah. But really, those are typical behaviors for a 19-year-old. It’s part of being a teenager to act recklessly, to boast, to contradict the advice of wiser heads.

    Let me ask you something:

    Were you ever a 19-year-old?

    Didn’t you ever make mistakes and then persist in them?

    Ever tell your parents or the other adults to get lost?

    If not, you’d be the rare exception. I know that I did all these things. And how!

    Don’t let the fact that a 19-year-old can join the Army* or vote fool you into thinking that he’s a bonafide grown-up. There are lots of things a 19-year-old still can’t do legally, and that would include things like drinking a beer, renting a car, getting an unsecured credit card.

    Recent studies have suggested that young people don’t reach full maturity in terms of their emotional and ethical development (to say nothing of judgment) until around age 26. If that’s true, then our guy has several years to go.

    On the other hand, he’s gotten some particuarly hard lessons lately, so he might actually be ahead of the curve at this point.

     

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    *Ever wonder why the Army welcomes teenage boys into its ranks? Did you really think that was because of their maturity?

    #776006

    DBP
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    I expect that I’m not going to convince my friend anonyme on this, but in this young man’s defense, I’d like to cite the following tidbit from today’s Seattle Times.

    Please pay special attention to the second paragraph:

    The Washington state Department of Fish & Wildlife announced Thursday that it will consider bans on octopus harvesting near popular Seattle beaches and possibly other areas in Puget Sound.

    Dylan Mayer, the octopus hunter who sparked an outrage when he took one of the charismatic animals at Cove 2, a popular dive site in West Seattle, was the first voice for a ban on hunting in the cove at a public hearing before the state Fish and Wildlife Commission meeting in Olympia.

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019640738_octopus09m.html

    Now please consider that this young man, after having already taken considerable public criticism, came to a meeting where he knew he could expect even MORE criticism . . . and expressed remorse for his actions, while at the same time giving full support to a new law that would forever stand in condemnation of what he did.

    To me that doesn’t sound like an “angle.” That sounds like a genuine change of heart. A change of heart of the kind we sadly don’t see too much of anymore.

    Dylan’s made some serious errors, yes. But what he’s done to atone for those errors is certainly more than some of our recent Presidents have done to atone for their considerably graver ones.

    But then, perhaps we’re holding this young man to a higher standard than the one to which we hold our leaders.

    Think about that.

     

    #776007

    kootchman
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    I will shoot, kill, eat lots of things. I can give a Coho a good slap with the ball bat when I land em…no much remorse for deer or elk.. But, there are few species, that will actively seek us out..and seem to want a contact, want to interact. So.. dolphins, whales, noooo… but the octopus… it’s an ancient survivor..and it is too too smart for me to harvest. If it meets you in the sea.. and all is cool… he will want to know as much about you as you do it. It’s a very, very intelligent animal to lay waste to. It’s an arbitrary line to draw (I suppose some PETA folks were offended the first line). But a species that smart, so unlike us ..that will develop social rituals with us in their environment if they are not afraid or threatened. Something to consider.

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