Lincoln Park ‘resident goose’ attacked by dog, readers report

October 4, 2012 at 10:22 am | In Pets, West Seattle beaches, West Seattle news | 137 Comments

(Added: August photo of the geese, courtesy of Myrtle)
10:22 AM: We’ve received two reports of this so far. First one was from Sig:

A man on a bike with his dog running loose at the south end of Lincoln Park at about 8:15 this morning allowed his dog to attack one of the beautiful white geese. The dog injured the goose on the land and took it out in the water all the way to the moored boats. No sign of the goose so hopefully he will show up. His partner is honking on the beach and very frightened. The man got on his bike as soon as he could get the dog to come back (still no leash in sight) and took off in a dark Subaru Outback with a bike rack on the back and top. Hopefully someone can watch for the injured goose and help him.

Second one came from a reader who didn’t want to be identified:

I just got back from a walk at Lincoln Park where some bozo’s dog – off leash – attacked the resident geese on the beach.

I arrived just after the event so my story comes second-hand from a Parks employee who witnessed this and told me what had happened.

Apparently the dog attacked the geese, leaving feathers all over the path, and then chased one of the birds through the water all the way to the ferry dock.

As I arrived the dog’s owner, who had walked south down the private part of the beach, about halfway to the ferry, coaxed the dog back to shore then high-tailed it out of the park on his mountain bike. (He was wearing a yellow and black biking shirt)

There were about 20 of us watching and looking for the goose. I continued my walk then returned to that area about 20 minutes later- but no goose..

I am sharing this because dogs are not allowed on public beaches (period) and there is no off-leash area in Lincoln Park yet I see dogs running free there almost every day. Each time I do I grumble to myself about it rather than confronting the owners. I know people love their dogs.

WIf you’re not familiar with the Lincoln Park/Fauntleroy area white geese – here’s a photo of one – they (or, perhaps, their relatives) have been on the beach there for years (we remember seeing them more than a decade ago). Their room to roam is curtailed right now, possibly forcing them further south, because of the Barton Pump Station Upgrade Project work that has taken over the pocket beach at Cove Park immediately north of the Fauntleroy ferry dock. We’ll be following up to see if we can find out what has happened since the search mentioned above; please let us know if you hear/see anything.

3:01 PM UPDATE: If you haven’t seen this in the comment thread yet: We checked with Parks, and they told us Animal Control was planning to visit the park to investigate – they had indeed received a call about this to dispatch earlier today. A commenter subsequently reported that both geese were found and seem to be OK, which was confirmed by a beach resident who has seen them.

ADDED: From Dewey Potter @ Parks: “One employee observed most of the incident, confronted the individual about his dog being off leash, and notified Seattle Animal Shelter. The Sr. Gardener who called me back said the description in the WS Blog of the dog owner is accurate. If anyone can provide a name, a license number, or other identifying information, SAS staff will talk with the dog owner and tell him what the penalties are for having a dog on the beach and for harassing wildlife.”

137 Comments

  1. I knew this story would someday appear on the WSB; I’m just surprised it hasn’t happened soon. Needless to say, I’m disgusted and hope all you dog owners FINALLY get it in your heads to LEASH YOUR DOGS! So sad. I loved those geese.

    Comment by kate — 10:32 am October 4, 2012 #

  2. Almost exactly 2 years ago, the archives remind me, we had a report of humans attacking them.
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    http://westseattleblog.com/2010/10/west-seattle-crime-watch-fauntleroy-geese-attacked
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    Don’t know about goose lifespans but there’ve been white geese on the beach almost forever. I remember one of them snapping at my cracker-holding kid when he was a toddler, and that would have been 1998 or so.

    Comment by WSB — 10:37 am October 4, 2012 #

  3. Geese can live into their 20s.

    Comment by datamuse — 10:43 am October 4, 2012 #

  4. This time a goose, maybe next time a child. It is kind of ridiculous how many people let their dogs run off-leash in parks around west seattle. There is a huge, sweet, dedicated dog park at Westcrest. Use it, please.

    Comment by low bridge — 10:50 am October 4, 2012 #

  5. A law breaking and a cowardly act.
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    Thanks for the reports Sig, anonymous, and WSB.

    Comment by WSratsinacage — 10:51 am October 4, 2012 #

  6. This story saddens me so. I helped raise these geese from the time they were ‘hatched’ and hope for the best outcome. Pox on those that fail to follow the leash laws, and especially to the fellow whose dog is responsible for this attack.
    (BTW-these geese have been in the Fauntleroy Cove since May of 2009)

    Comment by Carolyn — 10:53 am October 4, 2012 #

  7. The city parks could make a lot of money if they started ticketing off-leash dogs at Lincoln Park. I run there almost every day and half the dogs are off leash.

    Comment by tw — 10:54 am October 4, 2012 #

  8. I’m so sad to hear this happened. I specifically rein my dogs in when we are near the geese as to not frighten them. Once again, an idiot gives us all a bad name.

    Comment by Lisa — 10:55 am October 4, 2012 #

  9. Anyone get a look at the dog/owner? Was it a black dog? Was the owner on his bike while the dog ran behind him?

    Comment by Justin — 10:58 am October 4, 2012 #

  10. As a dog owner who takes my dogs to Lincoln Park on a regular basis (ALWAYS on leash), I’m disgusted by incidents like this. If the reported details above are accurate, it’s not surprising that it happened with him and his dog. He’s about the most blantant violator of the on-leash rule there — his dog usually is no where near where he’s at on his bike.

    In one of the reports in the story, the person noted that they don’t confront off-leash violators. I would encourage them, and others using the park, to start doing so. I certainly do. Most times it has no impact (takes a lot to get through the sense of “rules don’t apply to me” that these people have), but at least once in a while it seems to work. The more of us who directly communicate back to these people that their behavior is unacceptable, the more likely it is to get results.

    Sure wish we could get animal control to patrol there more frequently.

    Comment by Mongo — 11:00 am October 4, 2012 #

  11. I hope eventually it becomes public who this man is so that he can take responsibility for his careless pet ownership, and for his allowing his dog to harm the geese. The dog was just doing what dogs do, that is why it is up to the people who own them to follow laws and care for their pets responsibly. I have seen so many dogs off leash at the parks n beaches, really — nobody wants dog poop on the trails or beaches, and nobody wants your dog running up to them and jumping on them or taking off after wildlife. Not to mention the incessant barking of some dogs when they are out on trails or in nature — barking at birds, squirrels, leaves blowing, other people walking by… Most people in W. Seattle are good pet owners and respect the leash laws, but enough don’t to make everyone get a bad rap for those of us who are not such dog lovers to begin with.

    Comment by juniperberry — 11:03 am October 4, 2012 #

  12. This makes me so frustrated because I see pet owners all over West Seattle with their dogs off leash. When questioned they say “my dog is so well behaved and listens when I call.” I don’t care how well behaved and attentive a person thinks their dog might be. Having a dog offleash is asking for a situation that cannot be controlled. It’s so sad that another animal has been harmed because some dog owner felt that they were above the rules of our society. To my fellow dog owners: show some courtesy and be responsible! Keep your dogs on a leash!!

    Comment by Moohar — 11:03 am October 4, 2012 #

  13. Oh no! I hope someone saw more and like a license plate or something. What kind of dog was it? Any more info about what the guy looked like? I love those geese. It drives me nuts to see dogs off leash on the beach because of stories like this.

    Comment by SJ2 — 11:06 am October 4, 2012 #

  14. I am an avid dog lover and animal lover and I get very angry at people who allow their dogs to run loose. They not only endanger other animals and people but their own dog. The rules and laws are there for a reason. This is very sad, lets hope that this goose wasn’t seriously injured and can rejoin its mate. And lets hope this jerk learned a leason.

    Comment by tp — 11:08 am October 4, 2012 #

  15. I have seen this guy and he is totally irresponsible! Totally let his dog run into a kids party at Lincoln two weeks ago.

    Comment by Kgdlg — 11:15 am October 4, 2012 #

  16. Of course this is not the dog’s fault, but just out of curiosity, does anybody know what type of dog attacked?

    Comment by kate — 11:18 am October 4, 2012 #

  17. This fills me with rage and sadness.
    Those geese were like family to us who work at the ferry dock.
    An off leash dog killed the mother of these two geese and now this.
    :’(

    Comment by pigeonmom — 11:28 am October 4, 2012 #

  18. Nothing will stop this sort of behavior by dog owners unless citizens are willing to pepper spray the dogs. Carry a can when you go to Lincoln park, I do.

    Comment by Common — 11:28 am October 4, 2012 #

  19. Assuming this guy felt guilty about having his dog off leash AND attacking this goose, what should he have done otherwise? Meaning – if I were to run by a goose and my dog lunges on his leash and bits one – who do you call? What do you do?

    Comment by dog owner — 11:29 am October 4, 2012 #

  20. I still don’t know why the city doesn’t station an animal enforcement officer at both ends of the park and write $500 tickets all day long for off-leash violations. Seems to me the city would be in the black the first week. I’m a dog owner who plays by the rules–wish everyone would!

    Comment by Chuck & Sally's Van Man — 11:32 am October 4, 2012 #

  21. DISGUSTING! WTH DIDNT HE STOP HIS DOG! MY GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE…THIS MAKES ME SICK, I HOPE GEESE IS FRIGHTENED SOMEWHERE AND COMES BACK. HOPE THEY FIND THE HEARTLESS JERK AND FINES HIM AND HIS DOG! SMH!!

    Comment by ca — 11:35 am October 4, 2012 #

  22. Leash your DOG! Seriously, what is wrong with these people? Dogs ‘off leash’ at Lincoln Park is so common.

    Comment by BLB — 11:40 am October 4, 2012 #

  23. I am really upset by this story. I love seeing those geese on my walk. What a coward for running away and not taking responsibility?

    Comment by astrogirl30 — 11:43 am October 4, 2012 #

  24. Please keep in mind that dog owners who carefully and religiously follow leash laws also get extremely annoyed at those irresponsible owners who choose to allow their dogs off leash illegally. I often wonder why there seems to be little to no enforcement of leash laws.

    Comment by W Sea Neigbor — 11:46 am October 4, 2012 #

  25. I will be on the lookout for this dude. What a shame!!

    Comment by Guy — 11:47 am October 4, 2012 #

  26. It’s possible to “confront” off-leashers without provoking conflict so we shouldn’t be afraid to do it. I was walking my dog on leash at Lincoln Park a few months ago with a friend who is very nervous around dogs. A big ol’ off-leash dog came bounding up to us and my friend was so scared! So it’s not just the impact to other dogs/wildlife or whether or not the dog might bite – it’s just not fair that someone should have to feel afraid like that. I said to the owner,”You know, he IS supposed to be on leash – as you can see my friend is scared of dogs”. The owner just sort of said “I know..” and scurried away. Ugh – so frustrating!!

    Comment by add — 11:49 am October 4, 2012 #

  27. DAMNIT! Signed, sad, potty mouth…………

    Comment by Vanessa — 11:50 am October 4, 2012 #

  28. @Carolyn: Um, not sure you should be too proud of raising domestic geese and releasing them into the wild. These are not like the Brant geese that have adapted over millennia to feed on the local eel grass. Not sure what they find to eat at that park other than lawn grass and handouts. They’re pretty, but they really don’t belong. Just sayin’.

    Comment by Chuck & Sally's Van Man — 11:51 am October 4, 2012 #

  29. Camera phones. Aside from firmly confronting off-leash-dog owners. Take their picture, let them assume you’re going to send it in to animal control. I’m hoping people can get the license plate of the “dark Subaru Outback with a bike rack on the back and top” and let animal control know, maybe they would at least send a written warning? This incident makes me so. damn. angry.
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    Would a letter-writing campaign, or phone call campaign, get the city to station an animal control enforcement officer at Lincoln every day for a week? Man, they’d make a LOT of money in fines in just a few days. So tired of dealing with precious snowflake dog owners who do give responsible ones a bad name. Selfish, selfish, selfish.

    Comment by mookie — 11:51 am October 4, 2012 #

  30. dog owner: Animal Control is responsible for dead and injured wildlife within the city, so if you see an injured animal, regardless of whether your dog caused the injury, I’d think they’d be the ones to call.

    Comment by datamuse — 11:54 am October 4, 2012 #

  31. Dogs chase birds all the time. i dont see the big deal just to be honest. everyones taking this way to seriously. maybe he should of had a leash because thats “the rule” but its not like he told the dog to sic the bird or anything. besides theres bigger things to worry about then dogs scaring birds.

    Comment by jv — 11:57 am October 4, 2012 #

  32. Wow, Nature is scary.

    Comment by WestSeattleDrew — 12:00 pm October 4, 2012 #

  33. If found the goose and the owner, it is the later that will freight the vet bill.

    Comment by bettytheyeti — 12:04 pm October 4, 2012 #

  34. A man on a bike with his dog running loose….

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    Violation of leash law.

    ….allowed his dog to attack one of the beautiful white geese.

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    Harassment of, and harm to, wildlife. (I wonder if the geese happen to be under any Federal protection? If, forbid, the dog had attacked a baby seal, Fed charges would apply, I believe.)

    …..the dog’s owner, who had walked south down the private part of the beach….

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    Trespassing.

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    When this dude is found (thinking positively)he needs to be charged with, and sentenced to, the maximum terms of each of those charges, consecutive sentencing, along with any other charges that may be applicable . His dog needs to be immediately put into foster care, awaiting a good home, that will care for it properly. He needs to be permanently trespassed form all Seattle Parks.

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    Mike

    Comment by miws — 12:10 pm October 4, 2012 #

  35. Please get out of your comfort zone and make a point of speaking with dog owners who have their dogs off-leash in the park/beach EACH AND EVERY time you see them! If enough people are in their faces, maybe they will change their behavior. These are obviously not the brightest people around, so I imagine it will take a number of times for them to realize that the rules really do apply to them!

    Comment by maxine — 12:12 pm October 4, 2012 #

  36. dog owner, someone else might have more authoritative info, but when I found an injured squirrel once, the vet told me to call Paws Wildlife Center. Unfortunately they are in Lynwood, so they also gave me the number for Seattle Animal Control at
    206-386-7387

    If someone else has better info, please share!

    Comment by Jill — 12:17 pm October 4, 2012 #

  37. As relatively new dog owners of an elderly dog who is NEVER off leash in public, we’ve been surprised and dismayed at how many of our fellow dog owners disobey leash laws. It creates unsafe situations for people and animals and makes our walks in the park much trickier than we ever imagined. With the city trying to find more revenue, I too wish they’d step up patrols of Lincoln Park and other public parks in West Seattle. Ticket away!

    Comment by twicksea — 12:19 pm October 4, 2012 #

  38. Common – what kind of pepper spray do you have and where do you get it? I’d be very interested. I’ve always worried that certain types of spray could anger dogs and make things worse.

    I can’t stand people who let their dogs run off leash. I always say I should bring my brother in law (who is 6’8″, 280 lbs) with me to the parks and have him do to dog owners what they think is OK to have their dogs do to me… ie sniff their crotch, jump up on them, lick them. I’ll just say “It’s ok, he’s friendly!” Then I’ll follow them to their house and have my BIL poop on their lawn. Isn’t he cute???

    Dog owners – what’s cute to you is not cute or acceptable to other people.

    Comment by Interested — 12:21 pm October 4, 2012 #

  39. jv, this was not simply “dogs scaring birds”, it was an attack, certainly painfulto the goose, and possibly fatal, resulting from illegal, and highly irresponsible behavior, by a self-important person.

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    Mike

    Comment by miws — 12:43 pm October 4, 2012 #

  40. interested: I’d go straight to bear spray (which is pepper spray, but with a bigger range and more punch). There’s a couple of times (like when someone’s loose dog charged at me and tore my shirt) when I didn’t have it with me and wished I did.

    Comment by datamuse — 12:44 pm October 4, 2012 #

  41. Agree with concerns expressed by responsible dog owners as well as the those of us who have been intimidated more than once by off-leash canines. Think it would be a great idea to generate revenue for our parks by citing the owners and fining them. This is a problem on our streets as well. Not a day goes by that I don’t walk by folks strolling with their dogs off leash…or hear someone calling back their pooch that has run off after other dogs (on leash), kids, bicyclists, pedestrians, squirrels, etc.

    Comment by rufus — 12:53 pm October 4, 2012 #

  42. WTH is the deal with the “entitlement” mentality of a lot of the dog owners in Seattle? They can just walk off leash anywhere they please, bring their dogs into stores, bars, restaurants (even those that don’t explicitly allow them) and then get all bent out of shape when they get questioned about it? I like animals, but I am allergic to a lot of dogs. Yes, I am sure your precious little snowflake is friendly, but that doesn’t mean I want him sniffing up my leg or obstructing the sidewalk in the Junction when I am trying to get by.

    GROW UP and start acting like a responsible member of society.

    Comment by vraxvalhalla — 12:53 pm October 4, 2012 #

  43. Let he who is without sin…

    Comment by John — 12:54 pm October 4, 2012 #

  44. Folks – I hate to break it to you – but these geese became habituated to the area BECAUSE people feed them.

    I have noticed many times a certain woman who the geese wait for who feeds them bread.

    In the past these geese were skittish due to all the dogs in the park – but have become really comfortable due to feeding.

    If you want to blame anyone – blame the folks feeding them, then the dogs.

    Comment by Ted — 12:55 pm October 4, 2012 #

  45. I am a FREQUENT Lincoln Park (always on-leash) walker with my dog. Echo the others that the off-leasher scofflaws are irresponsible and rude and, in this case, possibly lethal to an innocent bystander. I encourage people to call Seattle Animal Control and report off-leash events. I have done it on several occasions, and have personally witnessed increased patrols and people receiving heft fines. They have also returned my calls to check in and acknowledge that the received the complaint. Lincoln Park is definitely on their radar, but you must take an active role in helping with enforcement.

    Comment by CP — 12:56 pm October 4, 2012 #

  46. It’s crazy how vicious these comments become. Now we are going to start pepper spraying off leash dogs because it’s the law for them to be on a leash? If someone pepper sprayed a raccoon there would be a freaking riot on here.

    Comment by losingfaith — 12:58 pm October 4, 2012 #

  47. No one has suggested that, losingfaith.

    Comment by datamuse — 1:17 pm October 4, 2012 #

  48. This makes me sick…I am down there almost every other day with my dogs — always on leash and one of them muzzled — and see people who have their dogs off leash, sometimes menacing my dogs, and their owners seem to not give a damn what anyone thinks about it. I guess they are the “special people” who get a dispensation to have their dogs off leash. I wish the police would patrol down there more often, as it would be lots of revenue for the city!

    Comment by Livin' in WS since '91 — 1:19 pm October 4, 2012 #

  49. I walk my dogs at the park almost daily…ALWAYS on leash and walk them separately so I can focus my attention solely on them, their training and enjoying a peaceful walk. I am very saddened that this happened to the geese as I love seeing them each day. But some tend to stereotype that all dog owners are bad. Keep in mind I have seen countless uneducated children chasing after these geese in the park and once a rude, ill mannered adult. We are in an urban area and all it takes is one bad egg, be that a dog, ill mannered adult or child to ruin it for everyone else. I frequently address other dog owners who have their dog off leash. Yet I frequently see the same offenders ignoring the rules time after time. It is not the dog’s fault…it is their ignorant or disrespectful owner(s) that are to blame. I don’t care how well trained your dog is, a excitable stimulus like wildlife can catch even the most well mannered dog off their game. There are rules for a reason, please follow them…and YES, they do apply to you. This applies to everyone including children. Please teach your children how to respectfully interact within the natural environment. And to the dog owners that use the 20 foot retractable leads (sometimes with 2-3 dogs…kick me dog lady with 3 little ones scattered on all sides, you know who you are…), those leads are just as bad as being off leash. You cannot reel it in fast enough to get your dog back in close enough to you and under control. The lower path is too narrow and has a lot of traffic from casual walkers, runners and bikers. You cannot be on one side of the path with your dog(s) 15-20 feet on the other side blocking the path for other users and with the nearly invisible black cable extending over the width of the path. If you feel your dog needs to have the freedom to roam or run, then take them to Westcrest or use your long line on the upper part of the park that is less densely travelled. It just takes a little common sense and respect…

    In regards to the pepper spray comments, I have been walking at this park daily for years and have never seen a scary dog/human incident that required the use of mace. There is no need to spray a poor dog in the face. Address any concerns with being off leash, etc with the owner. I just read an article where a postman sprayed a dog (another state) that was lying on the front porch (not barking, nowhere near). The area where the dog was fully contained was completely away from where the mailbox was and the postman didn’t need to come in contact at all with the dog. The postman out of just extreme fear of dogs (which I can understand in that job position) or to be vindictive, went over to where the dog was laying and sprayed it in the face with mace for no reason. While there are no long term injuries, the dog was in visible pain for a quite a while and will now have a new fear of uniformed humans from the bad experience. Fyi, the man has been charged with animal cruelty after investigation by authorities. If you are truly that afraid of dogs, then don’t go walking at a highly trafficked place like Lincoln Park. There is more risk of encountering ill-mannered, scary humans where mace would be needed than an encounter with a dog at the park.

    Comment by TFM — 1:21 pm October 4, 2012 #

  50. I just filed a request for animal control to enforce leash laws at Lincoln Park and I included a link to this story.
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    Here is the link if anyone would like to submit a complaint about Lincoln Park (or any other area). It is very quick and easy. As has been mentioned here before about various issues, maybe if enough people speak out, the issue will get attention.

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/9udyglb

    The address for Lincoln Park is:
    8011 Fauntleroy Way SW, 98136

    Comment by WSratsinacage — 1:30 pm October 4, 2012 #

  51. Thanks, Rats – I actually had just sent a message to our contacts @ Parks to ask if there’s more information via their staff, since the second account mentions a Parks worker being aware, and to ask what’s the latest on the off-leash situation, if Parks has been working with SPD or anything else … Will update with whatever we find out. – TR

    Comment by WSB — 1:32 pm October 4, 2012 #

  52. Datamuse, yes it was suggested (Both by Common and Interested). I understand the anger about this incident but the idea of pepper spraying innocent animals for owners who are not obeying the laws is ludicris. I also notice there is a large stereotying/generalization of dog owners going on in this thread.

    Comment by losingfaith — 1:37 pm October 4, 2012 #

  53. @TFM,

    Well put! Agree with you completely.

    Comment by jwws — 1:38 pm October 4, 2012 #

  54. With “20 people watching”, it’s hard to conceive how the injured goose is nowhere to be found. Did he fly off? Why didn’t someone follow him if he went off into the woods? Just askin’. I love those geese even if they aren’t native.

    Comment by sgs — 1:38 pm October 4, 2012 #

  55. Update: Parks’ communications team checked with Seattle Animal Shelter, which did get a call about it this morning. They are “dealing with another call” along with SPD right now, I’m told, but are planning to go to Lincoln Park to investigate.

    Comment by WSB — 1:51 pm October 4, 2012 #

  56. @ Chuck & Sally’s Van Man-
    You don’t have all the facts.
    These were wild born geese.
    Your rude tone is not appreciated.

    Comment by pigeonmom — 1:52 pm October 4, 2012 #

  57. I hope someone who knows this guy comes here and confirms who he is and/or reports him to Park Authorities for him to take his rightful punishment. Let’s not let this one fade away until an example is made. So tired of the “rules don’t apply to me” mindset…

    Comment by Tom — 1:54 pm October 4, 2012 #

  58. First, I think what happened to the goose is horrible and I hate to see any animal hurt. Second, I don’t have a problem with leash laws. Third, the owner should be more aware of his dogs behavior and not put the dog in situations like this. Fourth, if any of the crazy nut jobs posting to this story ever pepper spray my dog you better get ready to pepper spray me as well (and you better hope that pepper spray stops me from getting at you). I’m just saying…

    Comment by ProudDogOwner — 1:57 pm October 4, 2012 #

  59. Fair enough, losingfaith. The one time I contemplated it, I was actually being attacked, so, you know, in that circumstance it starts to seem reasonable.
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    On your other point…a lot of these comments are coming from other dog owners. I don’t have dogs myself but I know that most people who do are responsible. But you know how it is…a negative experience sticks with you more than a dose positive ones.

    Comment by datamuse — 2:01 pm October 4, 2012 #

  60. Stereotyping is hard to avoid but I’ve not reached that conclusion from reading this thread.

    But it’s always the few bad apples that spoil the bunch. I live on a street that has LOTS of foot-traffic and invariably find plenty of dog “gifts” in my front beds left by owners who don’t bother to pick it up. Happens often enough that several of my neighbors have posted signs which they hate to do.

    Dog owners police thyselves…

    Comment by Tom — 2:01 pm October 4, 2012 #

  61. Guys – Let’s please stay on topic here. I missed the original pepper-spray-a-dog suggestion, which may not have passed our sniff test because we don’t condone threats of harm, regardless of the situation. Pepper spray is bad enough for humans – I have no idea what it would do to an animal or how to check. In the case of what we are discussing, it is completely up to the PEOPLE to control their animals, and the law requires it – the dog that is not being controlled/leashed as legally required would be as much a victim as the other animal. We don’t want to hurt them just because their owners are acting illegally. Thanks very much for continuing to be civil to each other even when discussing an emotional, angering situation. – TR

    Comment by WSB — 2:03 pm October 4, 2012 #

  62. Chill out, people. For crying out loud. If you hate dogs so much you have an urge to pepper spray them, don’t leave the house.

    Comment by Kayleigh — 2:08 pm October 4, 2012 #

  63. I am so ANGRY.
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    LEASH YOUR DOGS, DOG OWNERS!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Nitro — 2:20 pm October 4, 2012 #

  64. Animal control was just down here at s end of park. Both geese were here and seem in fine shape. Both flew off wings flapping in unison. Beautiful. A.C. called in to report geese were able to fly. Yay!

    Comment by schultzie — 2:23 pm October 4, 2012 #

  65. THANKS, Schultzie. We are in the middle of too many things right now to have gone down to look for the promised AC response. If anyone happened to snag a photo, please send. (I don’t even have any file photos of the geese aside from the beautiful David Hutchinson closeup linked toward the end of the story – next time I see them I will photograph them for future reference.)

    Comment by WSB — 2:26 pm October 4, 2012 #

  66. I wonder if anyone can provide a description of the dog? I ask because a few months ago close to my house, a dog that was offleash (running next to his owner, who was on a bike), attacked and killed my neighbor’s cat. I am wondering if this was the same dog.

    Comment by Sonic — 2:32 pm October 4, 2012 #

  67. People on this site seriously have to get a grip, or a hobby, or something to do besides gripe about every little thing that happens. If this was a dog attacking a child, that’s one thing. But you are complaining about one animal attacking another animal. Some joker up the thread was talking about concurrent sentences? Are you serious? I’m guessing these are the people who want to save the coyotes who have killed off dozens of cats and attacked ON LEASH dogs. Honestly I just think people want a reason to jump on a soap box.

    Comment by cr — 2:33 pm October 4, 2012 #

  68. This ticks me off. I’m glad both geese are okay.

    Comment by Bonnie — 2:34 pm October 4, 2012 #

  69. I had an off-leash dog run up to mine when I was walking her earlier today. People always say, “hey, s/he’s friendly, no problem, they’re just doing what dogs do.” Fine – let them do that in your own yard or at the off-leash park. I’m totally fed up with the attitude of dog owners in Lincoln Park and Camp Long who think the law applies to everyone else. Leash laws are designed to keep everyone – people and animals alike – safe. Stop acting like compliance is punishment!

    Comment by enviromaven — 2:36 pm October 4, 2012 #

  70. The entitlement mentality is all over the place in West Seattle. Too many people think they are somehow better then the rules they expect everyone else to follow.
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    EVERYBODY ELSE should follow the traffic laws, but when I’m late for my yoga class, don’t ticket me when I speed down Admiral or 35th or Beach Drive while I’m yakking on my cel phone. I’m a Driver of Superior Skill, I can handle it. This is why I object when anyone suggests speed radar or red-light cameras.
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    EVERYBODY ELSE’S dog should be on leash, but MY dog, like me, is a Gifted Little Snowflake, and doesn’t require such pedestrian restraints to his harmless exuberance.
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    Etc., etc., etc…Hate to break it to you guys, but while you may be special, so are everyone else. The rules apply to Gifted Little Snowflakes like you just as much as they need to apply to the rest of us proles. Get over yourselves. Rules are there to provide a common playbook so a city full of Special Unique People like us can get along without suing or killing each other.

    Comment by CitizenSane — 2:39 pm October 4, 2012 #

  71. Wow, that’s great news!

    Doesn’t change the need to get the guy responsible to get his due. Let’s find out who he is and get the authorities his info.

    Comment by Tom — 2:39 pm October 4, 2012 #

  72. @Kayleigh: I don’t think anyone here hates the DOGS so much (though many have a reasonable fear of an unleashed dog). I think what people are expressing is a slowly boiling rage at dog OWNERS with a sense of “rules don’t matter for me” entitlement. This entitlement goes beyond mere inconvenience. It’s going to get someone hurt, or worse. I will spare you my own numerous encounters where I’ve had off leash dogs ruin my outing and threaten me and/or my dog, but I’m done tolerating it. I think it’s fair to say that people with off leash dogs should expect no more civility from me. Enough.

    Comment by Chuck & Sally's Van Man — 2:44 pm October 4, 2012 #

  73. Thanks Schultie! This story almost had me in tears of frustration over the pigheaded and selfish acts that continue to occur with people and their off-leash dogs. I’m relieved to hear that the geese are OK.

    TR – i sent a photo a while back of the geese at sunset http://westseattleblog.com/2012/07/west-seattle-sunset-scene-2

    Comment by B-squared — 2:45 pm October 4, 2012 #

  74. JUST SAW BOTH GEESE ON OUR BEACH. They are both walking and swimming normally, so it would appear that no serious injury was sustained.

    A bit of history: There were several grey geese and goose wannabes resident in the cove for years. One got carried off under someone’s arm for dinner… Attrition took them down to just two gray geese, which nested together and laid infertile eggs every spring. One disappeared, and shortly thereafter, a white goose appeared and struck up with the gray goose. @Carolyn indicated, the next spring two chicks hatched, which both turned out to be white like the father. Then both parents disappeared. These two are both females, nesting together and laying as many as 20+ infertile eggs in their common nest each spring.

    Comment by Susan — 2:50 pm October 4, 2012 #

  75. My dog is an old lady who cannot defend herself from off-leash dogs who decide they want to run up and attack her. I’m thinking about getting her a little vest that says “I have rabies but my family still loves me. Please stay back.” Maybe that will encourage people to keep their dogs away from her…

    Comment by Rebecca — 3:08 pm October 4, 2012 #

  76. So I just heard that there were about 100 people watching this horrible act. Do we live in such a passive society that no one would jump in a try to get the dog owner. It’s not the dogs fault for being off leash! The witnesses just let the guy get his dog back get into his car and drive away. You guys are weak people! Learn to stand up and do something!

    Comment by Woodsman — 3:09 pm October 4, 2012 #

  77. Thank Heavens they are ok. I felt as if someone punched me in the stomach went I saw this. I am a regualr (the one woman they wait for and feed)at the park and have been part of the people who have been feeding and caring for them since the day they were born. I researched long ago about feeding etc. once they are hand fed yes, they do expect it and do rely on it true but they are not going anywhere -ever. Which means they will always receive food from park goers/impossible to avoid. So I just make sure they are getting what they need. I buy them duck food, apples and yes bread and feed as often as time allows. There are plenty of others like me- so to you others who think we are doing wrong I say to you- get to know the entire story before you judge and snipe at me when you witness the feeding. Thank You~

    Comment by Kk — 3:12 pm October 4, 2012 #

  78. I second the retractable leash thing. They are just as bad a non-leashed dogs. The facts are that the guy didn’t have control of his dog, and left the area. It doesn’t make him a criminal though guys. Do you know how many times I have had *leashed* dogs come up to me at Lincoln Park – tons (damn retractables!!). It’s a matter of training your animal – or child in TFM’s example. It happens, it was unfortunate. The goose is okay – let’s be glad it wasn’t a kid who was attacked.

    Comment by Amanda — 3:15 pm October 4, 2012 #

  79. What kind of dog…no one got better descripton/license plate etc…if i saw that…id be chasing his a** and calling him in along with the dog…and I AM a dog owner and follow leash laws. I dont go for “oh my dog is nice”…you never know…I was also attacked in my face by a dog I knew….animals are animals, unpredictable…thats why lease laws. Seriously this story is still disturbing….glad geese are okay, and I hope sighting are true and accurate! :)

    Comment by ca — 3:24 pm October 4, 2012 #

  80. Perhaps the city and animal control could bring back “privateers” and employ and train some nearby retirees at minimum wage plus a percentage of the off-leash fines. Give them shoulder mount cameras and paintball guns. Should cut down on all kinds of illegal park activities. I would tip them when I saw them.

    Comment by Ken — 3:26 pm October 4, 2012 #

  81. Horrible situation. Glad to hear the goose is ok. Shame on the irresponsible dog owner. I hope he gets ‘caught’ and ticketed and learns to leash his dog. That said…
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    I have to agree with CR. The negativity and vitriol in these discussion threads is getting to be too much. It’s easy to pick the posts that will generate this stuff. I used to read them for entertainment value. Now I find they just make me angry. Pepper spray? Consecutive sentences? Sending 6′-8″ brother-in-law to defecate on somebody’s lawn?
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    A walk through Lincoln Park with my (leashed) dog is normally a very enjoyable experience. Now I’m going to be looking at each passerby wondering if he’s the one with pepper spray or she’s the one with the 6′-8″ brother-in-law. Way to build community.

    Comment by LP — 3:33 pm October 4, 2012 #

  82. While off leash dogs are an obvious problem in parks and other public areas, I’d just like to point out that there are situations where dogs are not allowed EVEN with a leash. Just a gentle FYI that leashing your dog in a park doesn’t mean it’s ok as parks do or can contain beaches, organized athletic fields, and childrens play areas. Lincoln Park has all 3 of these.

    Please note a quote from an exchange I had with the city last year:

    “Yes, Animal Shelter’s Park Patrol officers enforce SMC 18.12.080: dogs off leash anywhere in a park other than a designated (and always fenced-in and clearly signed) off-leash area, and dogs, even on leash, on beaches, in designated children’s play areas, and on athletic fields.”
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    There are signs spelling out 18.12.080 all over West Seattle but they are ignored. So people cannot use the I didn’t know defense. Even if you don’t know, people have to live by the law. Sure, you may just get a warning but you can get a ticket even if you don’t know the law.. one of the news stations did a story on people who camp in the left lane on the highway for example.
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    Please don’t shoot the messenger :)

    Comment by WSratsinacage — 3:54 pm October 4, 2012 #

  83. This is so sad. We have volunteer seal sitters. Do we now need to have volunteer dog watchers? Why can’t people just obey the laws? They’re posted all over park.

    I only wish I would have been there. There might be one flattened fellow biker. Our public parks aren’t free roaming dog runs.

    Many of us have loved seeing/feeding this pair of geese for years. I think the dog should be put out of its misery in the same fashion. Maybe the biker, too.

    Comment by Bill Bacon — 3:55 pm October 4, 2012 #

  84. From Dewey Potter, our contact in communications at Parks (I will also add this to the story above):
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    “One employee observed most of the incident, confronted the individual about his dog being off leash, and notified Seattle Animal Shelter. The Sr. Gardener who called me back said the description in the WS Blog of the dog owner is accurate. If anyone can provide a name, a license number, or other identifying information, SAS staff will talk with the dog owner and tell him what the penalties are for having a dog on the beach and for harassing wildlife.”

    Comment by WSB — 3:55 pm October 4, 2012 #

  85. It is time for an Off-Leash area in Lincoln Park.

    Comment by Kiko — 3:56 pm October 4, 2012 #

  86. My heart dropped when I first read this story! I walk past those geese all the time. So happy to heard neighbors have seen both of the geese today. Hope we don’t see this guy and his dog again! Hard to believe no one took his picture, or his car?

    Comment by c — 4:00 pm October 4, 2012 #

  87. Awesome! I hope people come forward with info.

    Comment by WSratsinacage — 4:02 pm October 4, 2012 #

  88. Woodsman. Are you serious? Maybe chase a guy down who robbed a bank, but a guy who’s dog was off leash? There’s a reason it’s a smaller fine than a parking ticket.

    And the shaming on this board is shameful in itself. Wanting to find this guy and post pictures? If you can show me that you’ve never been inconsiderate, never broken any law, or never felt regret for a lapse in judgement, then go ahead and get on your soap box, but, honestly, I hope many of you are ashamed of yourselves and your words. Look in a mirror first and find those things that you can improve in yourselves.

    Comment by John — 4:05 pm October 4, 2012 #

  89. Agreed about dogs being on leash. All it takes is one wrong move (on the dog’s part) or a random scare and you dog can quickly be out in traffic or anything else.
    As a smaller woman (well, height wise anyway), I am always weary of confronting people. Yes, most people will shrug it off and go away, but I promise I am horrible at defending myself, should it come to it. I can’t (thankfully) rely on my dogs for defense either – shih tzus are just not very effective body guards.
    I have no effective solution aside from dear god, please put your dog on a leash so it doesn’t get run over/stolen/injure something else/get you a ticket.
    Debbie

    Comment by westcoastdeb — 4:08 pm October 4, 2012 #

  90. Common>>>no need to pepper spray the dog unless it’s attacking you but I do agree dog owners need to take responsibility for their dogs (ticketed).
    And yes this makes me so sad too to hear one of those beautiful geese could have been killed. And don’t they mate for life????

    Comment by lily — 4:23 pm October 4, 2012 #

  91. @Kiko – “It is time for an Off-Leash area in Lincoln Park.”
    As someone with dogs, that would be great for me and my dogs. However, I’m not so sure how great it would be for the wildlife living in the park or the other humans who don’t enjoy the sound of barking dogs who have just as much of a right to enjoy the park as I do. Besides, having a legal off-leash area certainly won’t curtail the bad behavior of selfish, entitled people such as the man who let his dog attack the geese. I’m sure he feels that it’s his god-given right to ride his bike with his dog running free, and fenced off-leash areas won’t meet the needs of people like this who operate in a bubble of self-absorbption and disregard for others.

    Comment by Ajax — 4:37 pm October 4, 2012 #

  92. I’m so relieved to hear that the goose is ok!!

    I echo many above me about how frustrating off leash dogs are in parks. My dog is always leashed and kept away from other dogs because he is sometimes (and unpredictably) leash aggressive. I was walking him the other day when multiple people’s off-leash dogs came running at him to play. I had to yell to their owners – because they were too far away – that my dog might bite. One guy even said “it’s ok, my dog will be fine”. So nerve-racking.

    Comment by Traci — 4:45 pm October 4, 2012 #

  93. I have seen people with their leashed dogs let them bark, sniff, and harass those poor geese. So it stupid people not stupid dogs.

    Comment by SAR — 4:48 pm October 4, 2012 #

  94. This is also high season for baby seal pups resting on the beach. Please politely ask any dog owner with an off lease dog to put them on lease or take them to a dog park. Dogs are just following their natural instincts which are much stonger than any command. Don’t be shy in speaking up and reminding owners of the dangers and the fine they may have to pay, but be polite. You will get better results.

    Comment by Kendra Williams — 5:04 pm October 4, 2012 #

  95. Just to be clear, I’m not interested in pepper spraying random dogs. Just the ones that stop me on a PUBLIC trail and won’t let me by when their owner is no where to be found. Or ones that just won’t leave me and my child alone. Or ones that crouch and growl. All of which has happened at Lincoln park. Self defense only.

    As to the ‘have a large man jump on you and/or poop on your lawn’ comment, I stand by it. Strange dogs, especially big ones, are intimidating when they are not controlled as per the law. Strange poop is gross to clean up. So if you find this proposed scenario offensive, now you know how I feel when a big strange dog won’t get it’s nose out of my crotch, or jumps on me, or I have to pick poop out of my own yard when I don’t even own a dog.

    And I do agree with other people’s remarks that children can be just as tough on wildlife as dogs and should be prevented from doing so by their parents.

    It is not that we (commentors) are so aftraid / annoyed by things that we should all just stay at home so a few crazy dog owners can rule the world. It is that we are tired of seeing SOME dog owners continually break the law, thus limiting the ability of others to enjoy public places.

    Comment by Interested — 5:09 pm October 4, 2012 #

  96. Its only a matter of time when a dog does attack a human at the park.Then they’ll have to do something. But only after it happens. Coyotes are more behaved than unleashed dogs.

    Comment by loser — 5:17 pm October 4, 2012 #

  97. I would hope for but would not expect as much concern over a fellow human being in need. Come on folks.

    Comment by Chris — 5:48 pm October 4, 2012 #

  98. If we say it enough times, to enough of these inconsiderate people, maybe it will get through to them: “Please leash your dog. It’s the law.” And whip out your camera phone like you mean business.

    And if you see a dog attempting to harm a child, a goose, or any other creature, give the owner hell!

    Chris, you can be sure there’d be even more outrage if a fellow human being were attacked. So, come on Chris! Don’t worry.

    Comment by Sonoma — 6:48 pm October 4, 2012 #

  99. I agree with previous commenters – DO call animal control/Seattle Animal Shelter and report your encounters with off-leash dogs at Lincoln Park! This is illegal activity! They have limited manpower to patrol a LOT of city parks, but if they keep receiving calls about the same place over and over, they’ll respond and increase patrols.

    Also, I’ve found that positive reinforcement works wonders (with people as well as dogs!) – when you see someone leash their dog, say “Hey, THANKS for leashing your dog!” and they’ll be more likely to do it again.

    Comment by RaindogPhoto — 6:58 pm October 4, 2012 #

  100. It’s amazing how little notice the Jones BBQ thread got, yet geese attacked by a dog receives over 90 comments.

    Comment by Mike — 7:09 pm October 4, 2012 #

  101. They’re open again, by the way, and we have a followup coming up tomorrow. Really, some very important topics get lots of comments, some very important topics don’t get many comments. It sometimes has more to do with what time of day a story debuts and what else is going on that day, than anything else. – TR

    Comment by WSB — 7:30 pm October 4, 2012 #

  102. How someone treat animals says a lot about that person.

    Comment by LivesInWS — 8:03 pm October 4, 2012 #

  103. I live near Lincoln Park and every time I walk there there are loose dogs. Not everyone but enough so that this had to happen and likely will again. Sadly most of the people I see with loose dogs take them off their leashes after they get into the parks interior. They are also mostly well dressed people. I cant even imagine some of the friendly squirrels and birds I used to see on the trails looking for hand outs and what might have happened to them with all the dogs in the park. It does no good to post signs and make rules if there is no enforcement.

    Comment by cj — 8:31 pm October 4, 2012 #

  104. I think it’s very odd that “20 people” saw the incident, 2 specifically wrote into the WSB, and no one has provided a description of the dog in question so it can be identified if this happens again at the park.

    Comment by Me — 8:33 pm October 4, 2012 #

  105. I’m thinking I might try to get on an RR C soon with both my dogs off leash…that sounds like a fun time.

    Comment by Lisa — 9:21 pm October 4, 2012 #

  106. Always the few who spoil things for the many. My partner and I walked our on-leash dog this past Sunday, and she would have loved to go for a swim…alas, we follow laws/rules.
    Not so the master of “Ella”, who basked, reading, amongst the sun-bleached driftwood, as Ella ran free…free to swim, free to run, free to poop with no pick-up afterwards, free to engage people and other dogs as she pleased, free to perhaps attack and maim/kill a baby seal/otter/goose….as a responsible dog owner, I am disgusted by those who feel the rules do not apply to them. Get a clue, people…you are NOT above the law.

    Comment by thegodshavegonecrazy — 9:42 pm October 4, 2012 #

  107. can’t stand the entitlement mentality of people in seattle. Literally every single person here is so entitled. Is it because you’re rich and can afford to pay the median rent for a 1-bedroom apartment, which is around $1150? La dee dah!

    And don’t get me started on $5 lattes at Starbucks… those things are everywhere in Seattle. I like how other places aren’t like Seattle at all, why do people even live here?

    Stop making me angry when some person does something bad!!! MEan people make me angry!!! Dogs are pooping and killing children everywhere in Seattle, this doesn’t happen in Auburn!!!!

    Comment by steve — 9:48 pm October 4, 2012 #

  108. Hi, I just want to say it is shocking that anyone is upset by this. Some dogs actually require geese to sustain themselves. Worse, many just don’t know it. You see, most people think I’m a person…but I’m really a dog. And my owner knows it. And I’ve been off the leash for years now. Kicked the habit long ago… Anyway, a few years ago I accidentally ate a duck. And after I did that, I thought, ‘wow, dog, you are really into geese, you know.’ Sure enough, since then I’ve hunted down geese whenever I could. OK, OK, I admit it…it was ME!!! I DID IT!!! I ate the Lincoln Park Goose!!! So hate me — but I loved it. And if I were the mayor, I’d legalize geese-chomping, and get rid of any suggestion of any further need for any barbaric ‘leash laws’ for once and for all. All that I have seen tells me that all dogs must chew goose at least once a week. Anything less leaves you with bad breath.

    Now, please excuse me. I’ve got to get back to these riveting comments…

    Comment by Really a West Seattle Dog — 10:26 pm October 4, 2012 #

  109. I walk Lincoln almost everyday with a dog on a leash. I’m a new dog person recently converted from cat person. Seriously I can’t get over how entitled dog owners are. Lease laws are the rule, a social contract you have with the rest of us. We don’t know your dog and don’t appreciate them galloping all over the beaches and woods because it’s cool to see them free and acting like a dog. I won’t ever take my dog off lease in a public place- way too much liability. I think the leash law offenders need to be ticketed.

    Comment by Seaview — 10:49 pm October 4, 2012 #

  110. Off leash dogs are also a problem at Hiawatha Park. I live across the street and see them daily in the early morning and late afternoon. They frequently run around and frighten some of the youngest kids at the playground. I resent bad dog owners!

    Comment by Sarah — 10:50 pm October 4, 2012 #

  111. I love these geese they are so special. I am so happy to hear they were together again. I hope attacked goose is really okay. Sad.

    Comment by lovethem — 11:51 pm October 4, 2012 #

  112. Interested and the rest of you so scared of dogs you need pepper spray: seriously, get a grip. I’ve walked through Lincoln Park regularly since I was a kid. None of the things you mentioned have ever happened to me. I don’t get menaced, I don’t get jumped on, I don’t get my path blocked.
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    I’m scared of several things in this world, like car crashes and spiders. But I’m not scared of 99% of the dogs on the planet.
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    And I agree dogs should be leashed I have seen an unleashed dog kill a poor squirrel.
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    But seriously, if you’re that afraid of dogs, I’m surprised you can leave the house.

    Comment by Kayleigh — 5:22 am October 5, 2012 #

  113. THERE’S A HUGE AND VERY FUN OFF LEASH AREA TEN MINUTES FROM LINCOLN PARK. It has good parking and was BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR DOG OWNERS WHO WANT TO HAVE OFF LEASH TIME!!!

    PLEASE USE IT:
    West Crest Dog Park:
    Address: 9000 8th Ave SW (Map It)
    General Parks Information: (206) 684-4075 |

    Comment by Tom — 7:36 am October 5, 2012 #

  114. Kayleigh:

    The fact that you are not scared of dogs is irrelevant to this discussion. We are discussing blatant disregard of laws and the sense of entitlement some people possess. Please note I said some, not all, people.

    Comment by BWD — 8:22 am October 5, 2012 #

  115. It cracks me up all the people complaining about dogs off leash and dog poop not being picked up by dog owner, walkers. I agree dog owners need to be responsible with keeping them leashed and picking up after them. But I really dislike walking through goose poop. Not being able to walk on a beach because there is a seal somewhere on the beach. People need to quit feeding and catering to the wildlife. You live in the city. If you want to feed something find a human that is hungry and needs help. There is a lot more things going on in this area where you could focus your do goody efforts and make a real deference .

    Comment by Wetone — 9:02 am October 5, 2012 #

  116. It is time for an Off-Leash area in Lincoln Park.
    Comment by Kiko — 3:56 pm October 4, 2012 #

    No its not – theres already one off-leash area in West Seattle at Westcrest park:http://www.yelp.com/biz/westcrest-park-off-leash-area-seattle

    I think with all of the budget cuts toward our parks, schools, metro, and other vital essentials for us humans, dogs are the least of our concern. (not meaning that in a bad way…) What I mean is that in todays economic climate where money is tight, we have better things to spend money on than a park for dogs. Nobody is saying (least of all me) that dogs don’t belong in Lincoln Park, what the majority of folks on this blog are saying loud and clear is that we are done with the folks that think that leashing their pets is an infringement upon their freedom.

    I for one welcome all pets into the park, a dog owner myself, i enjoy being able to take him and my children to the park. I only ask for dog owners who dont follow the leash rules to go elsewhere. It is you who are stepping on my freedom from being fearful of your pooch.

    Comment by Chuck — 9:33 am October 5, 2012 #

  117. What Sarah said.

    Comment by WSratsinacage — 9:33 am October 5, 2012 #

  118. Again, just because you leash your dog, it doesn’t mean you are law abiding. You still cannot walk on the beach, or be in a park near play structures or organized athletic fields. I think it’s great there are more good dog owners than bad it’s just that I am getting the impression from some of the comments that people feel they are obeying the law when they are not.
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    If people don’t like the law then work to change it vs. taking advantage of the situation. I am glad to see so much agreement and support for what is right (the law) on the issue. It was a goose in this case but it has been men, women, and children in the past and it’s high time this was stopped whether it’s an inconvenience thing (dog poop) or a physical attack (many examples over the years on wsb).

    Comment by WSratsinacage — 9:45 am October 5, 2012 #

  119. I have never, never, ever had the owner of an off-leash dog respond politely or positively to a suggestion that they obey the leash law. THEY DON’T CARE. It’s a total waste of time and frustrating for those who imagine that reason or courtesy will prevail.

    IMO, they need more than a gentle warning on the rare occasion that Animal Control actually finds one of them. They need a huge, whopping fine and banishment from parks for a period of time. Glad I wasn’t there, think I would have made sure that he didn’t escape justice somehow.

    Comment by anonyme — 9:51 am October 5, 2012 #

  120. I was nearly attacked at Lincoln Park by an aggressive, off-leash dog who charged me growling and teeth bared. The owner, who was a hundred feet away, could barely be bothered to get control of his dog even though I was yelling at him to do so and fearing for my safety. He had quite the attitude! No wonder his dog acted that way. Put your dog on a leash, or you are asking for trouble. Either by it injuring someone, or being injured by one of the resident coyote in the park.

    Comment by Belvidere — 9:51 am October 5, 2012 #

  121. Well said, anonyme. Exactly right. I too have never had a polite response from someone with an off-leash dog. It’s usually more of, I’m the jerk for even bringing it up.

    And as a side to Rats note – the dog poop is much more than an inconvenience. Water samples from our urban creeks shows high fecal coliform from pets. This isn’t good for fish, nor humans.

    Comment by Tom — 10:44 am October 5, 2012 #

  122. There is an alarming trend with with dog poop in little blue plastic bags being thrown into the bushes.

    It’s like dog walkers want to be seen picking it up, but ditch it when no one is looking. Very puzzling.

    Some public trash cans have signs saying not to put dog droppings in them. (public health concerns) Cause and effect?

    With more and more people and more and more people with dogs seems like we need to make it more user friendly to do the right thing on all fronts.

    Comment by patt — 10:53 am October 5, 2012 #

  123. Without fail, whenever an off-leash dog charges at you barking and growling, the response from the owner is “oh, he’s friendly”. This happened to me just yesterday, with – you guessed it – a pit bull. Next time I’m tempted to say “fine – but I’M NOT” and whip out the pepper spray.

    Comment by anonyme — 11:17 am October 5, 2012 #

  124. To the person who is cracking up about people complaining about dogs since the presence of wildlife in a city inconveniences you… you are correct, people should NOT be feeding wildlife or interfering with them in any way, and it too is against the law, not just city law but Federal Law. It protects the wildlife from people but vice versa as well – wildlife like seals bite and can carry diseases that affect both dogs and humans. Thank those do gooders!

    Comment by bestbets — 2:57 pm October 5, 2012 #

  125. dude needs to go to jail

    Comment by pam — 6:09 pm October 5, 2012 #

  126. I’ll keep my dog on her leash. You keep your children on their leashes. My dog doesn’t want to be pet by your snooty children just because they think she is “pretty”.

    Comment by AWWS — 6:16 pm October 5, 2012 #

  127. AWWS I couldn’t agree with you more. Kids and dogs not familiar with one another should not mix.

    Comment by Interested — 8:26 pm October 5, 2012 #

  128. These geese certainly need to be on leashes.

    Comment by Terrance McClaren — 10:11 pm October 5, 2012 #

  129. I honestly can’t believe the high volume of comments on this article… I would love to see this much uproar over a more concerning topic such as crime and violence against our fellow neighbors…

    Comment by WSMama — 12:07 am October 6, 2012 #

  130. WSMama, this topic IS about crime and violence against our neighbors. Letting canines run wild in public spaces IS a crime. There is a law against it because of the violence uncontrolled dogs are capable of inflicting on our fellow neighbors, other dogs, and the wildlife that share their habitat with us.

    Comment by Man Bites Dog — 9:09 am October 6, 2012 #

  131. Geese are people, my friend. Geese are people, but dogs are not. Beaches are for geese to run free on and poop all over, but if you dare bring your leashed dog onto a beach, armed with poop bags, you will be confronted by an army of incensed blog commentors, with or without pepper spray.

    Indeed a law does prohibit dogs from setting foot on any Seattle beach. In fact, dogs are the ONLY animal banned from beaches. America has a long and proud tradition of conscientiously objecting to unfair and discriminatory laws, which is what I plan to continue to do.

    And since hypocrisy bothers everyone so much, I’m sure everyone who was outraged by a dog chasing and maybe possibly almost eating a goose is a vegetarian, right? Certainly no one is saying the life of this one goose is more precious than any old slaughterhouse chicken or pig, right?

    Comment by dogs are animals too — 11:10 am October 6, 2012 #

  132. One concern does not preclude another. There are plenty of topics regarding neighborhood crime; there is even a section of the WSB entirely devoted to it. You are free to start another if you’d like…

    Comment by anonyme — 11:27 am October 6, 2012 #

  133. I walk down to Coleman Pool almost daily and have seen those white geese chased by unleashed dogs many times. Most recently several weeks ago: a lady had four unleashed dogs down by picnic area by the beach and they chased the two geese out to the water. When I told her she needed to leash the dogs in the park and that there was a substantial fine, I just received a bunch of verbal abuse from her. Next time I’ll use my cell and report her to Animal Control.

    Comment by PJ — 2:39 pm October 6, 2012 #

  134. So enough with the sniping about dogs at large, how about doing something productive to try to manage this situation? Earlier in these comments, WSratsinacage posted a link to request a city service — send in a request for patrols… and *signs*! Has anyone actually noticed that there are many signs on the beach stating “no fires” but there is precisely ONE sign stating “no dogs”? And this sign is buried in the sea grass on a post just north of Coleman Pool. Yes, there are signs on the ends of the park stating “dogs must be on a leash” and there are Seal Sitters signs that talk about this as well, but stand-alone NO DOGS ON THE BEACH signs might serve as a more effective in-your-face reminder that this act is against the law…

    Comment by anon — 9:08 pm October 6, 2012 #

  135. Thanks, anon. And yes, I used the link from wsratsinacage (even though his/her blogname scares the heck outta me ; )

    Saw the geese yesterday; they were looking fine, thank goodness. And told a young woman with 2 unleashed dogs that she was breaking the law, but that her dogs were very beautiful!

    Here is the link if anyone would like to submit a complaint about Lincoln Park (or any other area). It is very quick and easy. As has been mentioned here before about various issues, maybe if enough people speak out, the issue will get attention.

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/9udyglb

    The address for Lincoln Park is:
    8011 Fauntleroy Way SW, 98136

    Comment by Sonoma — 1:19 pm October 7, 2012 #

  136. P.S. When you go to the link, please be sure to mention that unleashed dogs can be frightening to humans, too – including kids and even to people who normally love dogs (like me!).

    Comment by Sonoma — 1:24 pm October 7, 2012 #

  137. I saw the beautiful white geese yesterday, and I also saw a young women with a leashed dog seemingly attempting to introduce her dog to the geese…I told her to keep her dog away from the geese, that they had just been attacked earlier in the week, and thank goodness she listened. However, that said, I also had a young child (maybe two) toddle up to my smaller dog to pet it, with her dad somewhat behind her; he didn’t ask if my dog was friendly or if his daughter could pet it or anything…then my small dog growled at her (I think she probably smelled of food, as the dad was eating something), as he is food aggressive with younger kids. Glad she didn’t get bit, but hey, you need to control your kids and not allow them to approach unknown dogs. Not very good parenting. I was talking to some people about my other dog and didn’t notice her in time, or I would have told the dad not to let his kid approach my smaller dog.

    Comment by Livin' in WS since '91 — 12:41 pm October 8, 2012 #

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