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September 19, 2012 at 7:16 am #769833
JoBParticipantKootch
Have you driven by that lovely abandoned cooling tower mid state? At least that one is now being used as an acoustical chamber… unlike the one that sits just across the river at our southern boundary.
Discarded turbines become recyclable material. What do abandoned nuclear facilities become and what happens to that pile of waste we have so cavalierly abandoned in our desert?
September 19, 2012 at 10:32 am #769834
kootchmanMemberSatsop? Yea… did you see how that happened? Better reread the WPPSS history on the bond defaults… government pretending it could run a business. Again. A true testament to government incompetence and malfeasance. Yea job,, those towers will get smelted in electric smelters…. produced by nuclear and fossil fuel fired plants. 20 years before ya go to the recycle yard is not green or sustainable. Same people that gave us WPPSS are now putting up bird choppers.. then mothballing them…. sound familiar?
September 19, 2012 at 10:43 am #769835
kootchmanMemberSatsop? Yea… did you see how that happened? Better reread the WPPSS history on the bond defaults… government pretending it could run a business. Again. A true testament to government incompetence and malfeasance. Yea job,, those towers will get smelted in electric smelters…. produced by nuclear and fossil fuel fired plants. 20 years before ya go to the recycle yard is not green or sustainable. All those plants were cost plus contracts… I was the roof consultant.. we put three roofs on in 5 years… the same control building… why? NRC changed the roof deck specs to be “hardeneed” against mortar shells!!! Off came the steel decks, then concrete… then off again and more concrete with mire steel rebar… another change order. There were 23 house trailers with nothing but NRC change orders… all cost plus. Amazing… I sold the same roof three times! The gift that kept on giving… for contractors and material vendors. That’s why the government has to insure utilities against construction delays once permits are issued. (redback post 71 )
See” Same people, same mistakes …
Wind farms in the Pacific Northwest — built with government subsidies and maintained with tax credits for every megawatt produced — are now getting paid to shut down as the federal agency charged with managing the region’s electricity grid says there’s an oversupply of renewable power at certain times of the year.
Bet one day of that subsidy would do some good at other places…. more squeezing of the old tax/ratepayer.
It ain’t ready for prime time…
September 19, 2012 at 12:15 pm #769836
redblackParticipantit ain’t ready for prime time? 5% of our grid is now powered by wind.
translation: if it doesn’t cause birth defects or wars, and if we can’t make billions from turning it into greenhouse gases, we don’t want it.
September 19, 2012 at 1:21 pm #769837
kootchmanMemberJob? So ya want to recycle wind turbines every 20 years? where ya gonna get the electricity … steady demand source… furnaces sorta don’t work between gusts..
Consider the massive quantities of steel required for wind projects. The production and transportation of steel are both expensive and energy-intensive, and installing a single wind turbine requires about 200 tons of it. Many turbines have capacities of 3 or 4 megawatts, so you can assume that each megawatt of wind capacity requires roughly 50 tons of steel. By contrast, a typical natural gas turbine can produce nearly 43 megawatts while weighing only 9 tons. Thus, each megawatt of capacity requires less than a quarter of a ton of steel.
September 20, 2012 at 4:58 am #769838
redblackParticipantConsider the massive quantities of steel required for wind projects.
sure thing. as soon as you consider how expensive it is to get uranium from the ground and acknowledge that it’s highly toxic to humans… and all other life forms. for like a zillion years.
(a simple blink of the eyes will do.)
and that the by-products can be weaponized.
September 20, 2012 at 5:18 am #769839
JoBParticipantNot to. Mention the damage getting that natural gas out of the ground now does.
September 20, 2012 at 9:05 am #769840
kootchmanMemberwe don’t need to mine uranium redblack… we have enough spent uranium to use one of the breed reactor variants for the next 250 years. More people will die form accidental drowning … let’s legislate against water. Outlaw lightening. Don’t use enriched uranium .. there is a thought! Sad… we watch NASA die.. CREEL..goes to Europe… we lose the cutting science, the future of energy research … but gosh darn those bird choppers… they tug at the liberal heart .. even when their own sentinels say “ooops” mistake.
September 20, 2012 at 10:01 am #769841
JoBParticipantKootch
And why did we watch NASA die?
And why did we lose our science labs?
And why are we letting wind turbines deteriorate?
These all have the same root cause…
Valuing short term profit over investment.
And you want us to reelect the clowns who created the negative scenarios you are using to prove your point?
How dumb would that be?
September 20, 2012 at 1:40 pm #769842
miwsParticipantSeptember 20, 2012 at 1:48 pm #769843
TanDLParticipantSomething fun from across the pond regarding the difference in how they do things there vs how we do them here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/19/scottish-anti-wind-turbine-ad-banned
Imagine having an advertising standards authority.
September 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm #769844
kootchmanMemberThat’s easy… instead of dedicating our resources to the future, investing in the productive, we spend it on the least productive. the lease likely sources of innovation. we are allocating our capital to the obsolete, the non competitive, the least likely to add to our future competitiveness. We should be writing off our bad investments instead of prolonging them. We incentivize the wrong things. If those birdchoppers were making money… they would have been maintained. You don’t throw money at bad investments…that’s why we should cap some of our social programs. Bad social investments. Ya got five years to remake yourself into a productive citizen. Those victims of cruel fates… those we can sustain and help … those who make bad decisions and then expect us to subsidize them forever? No. Our guiding mantra is to help those that can’t help themselves. Those that won’t help themselves… limited response.
Kootch
And why did we watch NASA die?
And why did we lose our science labs?
September 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm #769845
kootchmanMemberredblack…. and that the by-products can be weaponized.
Not if you reprocess spent uranium… ya could make a “dirty” bomb but a bio terror weapon is just as feasible and cheaper to make. The only weapons of mass destruction used since WWll have been relatively cheap chemical weapons. The ingredients available off the shelf in Safeway .. or at you local gas station and fertilizer distributor.
Did you bother to read this?
“Never mind that in the real world, it is essentially impossible to separate out the Plutonium-239 from the other isotopes in sufficient purity to use it for bomb making. The British tried it, the Russians tried it, the French tried it, and we tried it, but nobody did it very well, even though we had the best scientists and all the money in the world to throw at it.
If you try to make a bomb with such a mixture of Plutonium isotopes, forget about it – it won’t work, ever. We’re talking about the laws of physics, Greenpeace notwithstanding. Unless you have pure Plutonium-239, your bomb will fizzle. So throwing away all that valuable nuclear fuel to prevent terrorists from making a bomb that won’t work anyway is just plain dumb”
So much for the left wing UCS… the only danger is “fracking” the bones of flapping left wings.
September 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm #769846
Tony SParticipantPERIODS…ARE…BECOMING…SCARCE…FROM…EXTREME…OVERUSE…ONLY…YOU…CAN…PREVENT…THEIR…EXTINCTION…
September 21, 2012 at 11:14 pm #769847
DBPMemberIf you try to make a bomb with such a mixture of Plutonium isotopes, forget about it – it won’t work, ever. Unless you have pure Plutonium-239, your bomb will fizzle.
Now you tell me this, kootch ??
NOW you F**KING tell me ????
Goddammit, how long have you known about this?
September 22, 2012 at 12:54 am #769848
kootchmanMemberAbout as long as I have known what a dumbass idea it is to try and power a 21st century economy power grid on wind gusts… but then again.. who needs one? …. right…. TS……?
September 23, 2012 at 2:55 pm #769849
redblackParticipantyeah. almost as dumbass an idea as having a dozen ways to spin a turbine, but picking out one that gets a government subsidy and trying to quash it over the course of 50 posts.
you and your hyperbole are getting a little out of control, kootch. i’ve told you a dozen times that we need various sources, so that we use less petroleum. and your reaction is the same every time:
“why for you not like oil^ wind is baaad!!!1!1!”
so to recap, here are the facts:
1. we get 5% of our power from wind turbines.
2. wind power is subsidized.
3. nuclear power is subsidized.
4. we call oil and natural gas subsidies “incentives” so as not to offend anyone.
5. solar is subsidized five times more heavily than wind, but limbaugh hasn’t told you to be angry about that yet. so you’re not.
fair assessment?
September 23, 2012 at 3:49 pm #769850
kootchmanMemberwe saw Solyndra… not even Obama would be that stupid to touch that third rail. Solar is as toxic to Democrats as Fukishima. That well has been poisoned.
September 25, 2012 at 3:47 am #769851
redblackParticipantSeptember 25, 2012 at 10:39 pm #769852
DBPMemberPsst! Hey, kootchman! C’mere.
No . . . over here.
Look, some guy in another t’read over dere is trying ta make out like youse and me is best of pals.
Yeah, I know! Canya believe it? He’s accusin’ me of bein’ some kinna Republican lover.
Huh? No, I know dat. Dat’s jes what I tole him. But he still don’t believe me, see? Sez he wants proof.
Look, how much I gotta pay youse ta go over dere and explain ta dis lunk dat I’m really some kinda commie bastid and dat, as a true-blue American what always believed in God and voted Republican, youse hate my guts as a matter a principles?
Oh! Youse’ll do it for nuttin’?
Wotta guy! Wotta champ!
September 26, 2012 at 3:47 am #769853
redblackParticipantDP:
Yeah, I know! Canya believe it? He’s accusin’ me of bein’ some kinna Republican lover.
prove me wrong.
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