Planned Parenthood – Post Abortion Rights

[skeeter]

This still all boils down to the question: at what point does the state have an interest in protecting the fetus/infant? I think the pro-life/anti-abortion crowd has a difficult time understanding why a fetus, even if viable with medical assistance, is not protected by the state but a one hour old infant is protected by the state. This thread just highlights that confusion. Does the state have an interest in protecting a fetus if the fetus is removed from the mother during an abortion but is still alive?

I think part of the reason I’m pro-life/anti-abortion is because I’m a simpleton. By believing that the state’s interest in the fetus begins at conception, it’s much easier for me to understand these topics.

Agree with Jiggers – we’re discussing society, medicine, and law, not God.

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[Tesla]

You are FAR from a simpleton skeeter!!! Well said. I might add just a couple clarifying words…

“Does the state have an interest in protecting a fetus [from its mother and PP] if the fetus is removed from the mother during an abortion but is still alive?

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[skeeter]

Tesla – post #27 – yes, I agree that is a good clarification of the relevant question.

I am a simpleton, though, at least with respect to this issue. For example – If I believe that the state’s obligation to protect a fetus begins at conception, does that include a conception from a rape? These issues are far more complex than my simple brain can deal with.

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[Tesla]

hey skeeter,

It’s my fault, but this thread is limited to opinions on “post abortion live births”. To provide an answer to yor query, would be to violate my rule-set and dive into pro-choice /pro-life basic arguments and boy do I have some powerful totally new legal arguments at least. I have had a very difficult time tryng to stay neutral and keep away from pro/con abortion. Plus if I break my own rule-set I lose points on my “actual person” standing and happily for many here might be terminated!

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This is no easy issue. Since I’ve had zero experience with abortion, I couldn’t imagine wrapping my head around the emotions churned up to make this decision, let alone having to make it TWICE for the same occurrence. Deciding to abort, and then possibly hearing a baby cry and then be asked to decide whether or not to abort again. This isn’t humane, IMO, to both the woman and the now-live baby.

There are a few states that have legalized the use of hospitals as “safe havens”, places for people to leave their baby if they decide not to keep it. Aren’t those in the medical profession required to take an oath to preserve life? Combining these two statements, the only decent outcome I can see is that all public hospitals be required to take in babies.

And then my immediate thought is the counter-argument “what if the abortion is done at a private clinic?” And so many counter arguments. I dunno…..this seems like a long, uphill ethics battle, with no clear solution.

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[Tesla]

AAR: I am optomistic that the final solution to the post birth issues and perhaps many other levels of this issue will be decided outside any church sponsored realm. Bizarrly, I think insurance companies will ultimately decide the law and actions mandatred. I came to my conclusion separate from religious teachings even though I have fierce spiritual convictions. Religion didn’t even enter into it. To answer Clinton, my definition of is, is…at the instance is is

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[Tesla]

AAR #30…I hear you. See my comment from #3 above repeated below:

While the mother had time to prepare for the decision to abort…I think it would be cruel to force a quick decision to have her live baby terminated. That is a totally different decision level, I imagine. That’s why I’d fear the courts would eventually allow “sufficient time” (day, week, year?) to make an informed decision; ergo the slippery slope on many levels. I would like to think most people would be in favor of not allowing post birth rights, period

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[skeeter]

You’re right. Let’s stay on topic.

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[AAR]

Actually, I do have a little experience. My mom, who was 19 when I was born, was planning to abort me. She had gone through two abortions previously, but at the last moment decided to keep me.

My general leaning is to keep the baby alive. Perhaps put it in the abortion documentation that if the abortion results in a post abortion live birth, that the woman gives up all rights and responsibilities of that birth. The clinic/hospital/etc performing the abortions should be made aware of this post abortion live issue, and should assume responsibility for providing care to the infant or making sure care is provided.

This was a deep thinking dive I wasn’t ready for today! :)

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