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November 10, 2011 at 6:46 pm #601213
tom kelleyParticipantIn the article on SSCC’s Veteran’s Day observance I was surprised to learn that there’s a list of military friendly campuses. The obvious inference is that there are some that are not which I find disgraceful!!
November 10, 2011 at 7:10 pm #740181
TDeParticipantFree country. If someone doesn’t like it they don’t have send their kids there.
November 10, 2011 at 8:43 pm #740182
kootchmanMemberI agree with TDe… and of course if they are not military friendly, no Pell grants, no student loans, no federal funds right TDe? No GI bill benefits to any vets? Yea man… I agree with ya. Let em’ make a point. And of course no research grants either.
November 10, 2011 at 8:52 pm #740183
datamuseParticipantUh…do you guys know what “military friendly” actually means in this context?
November 10, 2011 at 8:59 pm #740184
metrognomeParticipantdatamuse — you beat me to it. I love these discussions where critical terms are undefined. There should also be a distinction between public and private colleges.
so, kootcherman, you’re in favor of a mandatory draft, eh? Anyone who hasn’t served in the military shouldn’t get any government handouts, right? Guess that leaves Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, et al out in the cold.
November 10, 2011 at 9:09 pm #740185
tom kelleyParticipantTDe. You’re right it’s a free country thanks to the military.
Metrognome. I took military friendly at face value could you define the crucial term for us?
November 10, 2011 at 9:23 pm #740186
metrognomeParticipantum, the definition is in the WSB article …
“G.I. Jobs polled more than 7,000 schools across the country to compile its “2012 Guide to Military Friendly Schools.” Criteria for making the list included efforts to recruit and retain military and veteran students, results in recruiting military and veteran students, and academic accreditations. The recognition honors the country’s college and universities for their work in welcoming military veterans and enhancing their student experience.
“The honor ranks South in the top 15 percent of all colleges, universities and trade schools nationwide that are doing the most to embrace those who have served their country.
South was noted a good choice because of the college’s experienced staff and personal commitment to ensure that each and every veteran that comes to South has all the means necessary to complete his or her academic goals.
“See the entire list here: http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/list-2012.aspx/”
November 10, 2011 at 9:28 pm #740187
datamuseParticipantI took it to be a reference to this list, as per this WS Herald article about South.
The criteria are described here and primarily pertain to actively recruiting veterans and providing financial support, as detailed here.
It doesn’t mean that schools not on the list are unfriendly to veterans, for heaven’s sake. Different schools recruit different groups of students for all sorts of reasons.
I found all the above in about five minutes of research. If this is something you really care about it behooves you to do the same.
November 10, 2011 at 9:43 pm #740188
kootchmanMemberI actually am in favor of a draft, but that had nothing to do with his thread… It’s too risky to a democracy to have such a narrow demographic of troops. I sorta thought it was a safety valve to have some in the ranks that were not opposed to dissent. Sorta keeps the “club” open for inspection. Sorta that instinctive opposition to “brown shirts” ya know? History says we are better off with a little dissent in military and para military forces…you know the “blue code” of police forces sorta thing… Don’ forget Clinton, or Obama, in your list or .. where ya going with that argument? No, any college that is not military friendly should not receive federal funds.. that would be my position. Like the Ivy Leagues that refused to allow ROTC programs…like Obama’s alma mater.. but accepted hundreds of millions in research grants, or millions in GI Bill tuition benefits? Nah.. they should be true to their creed and eschew any federal dollars or benefits. That had nothing to do with the draft you sly old bus driver you.
November 10, 2011 at 10:19 pm #740189
metrognomeParticipantkman – you are at a disadvantage in this discussion because my post #7 got caught in the spam filter and wasn’t visible until after you posted #8. Not that it probably would have made a difference.
Obama’s alma mater is Columbia University, which has Army and Air Force ROTC programs and supports students in attending the Marine OCS at Quantico. You were saying???
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/rotc/hist.htm
Oh, you meant Harvard Law School. Harvard had one of the first ROTC programs in the country. As a result of the Vietnam War protests, students started using the ROTC program at MIT in 1969 (remember this date …) After Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell was instituted, Harvard cut ties with the ROTC program … until March, 2011 when Harvard signed an agreement with the Navy to bring the Navy ROTC program back to campus … because DADT had been repealed. Let’s see, didn’t Dubya go to Harvard Business School in 1975 … why, yes, he did. 1969, remember?
And yea, it did have something to do with the war that Cheney and Dubya successfully avoided serving in (even in those days, Dubya could have opted to go overseas with the Texas ANG, but he checked the box saying ‘no’.) The difference is that Clinton and Obama don’t pretend to be the hawks that the Bushies paraded around as.
Don’t have to even try to be sly with you, as your arguments are so full of holes even Dubya could fly an F-15 through them (as long as an actual pilot was also in the cockpit.)
November 12, 2011 at 11:28 am #740190
kootchmanMemberLike I said no ROTC… no federal aid. Harvard included. DADT was the law of the land. Don’t agree? Fine as a private school opt out..but don’t take the money. Funny how principals last as long as there is no financial consequences. Just like our very own Seattle School Board that wanted to ban military recruiters… great.. then no federal education grants or matching funds. Nothing. IF the Air National Guard was nationalized… Dubya and his Thud would have been there. It wasn’t and as you well know his F-102 was a heavy bomber interceptor and was deemed not fit for duty in Nam’ as was the F 105, also pulled off the line for excessive combat losses. By the time Bush finished flight school his 102 was not a frontline fighter or bomber..it was a third string plane….hence it’s surplus status and assignment to the ANG.. . The F-4 Phantom was doing the heavy lifting for the AF and Georgie was not F-4 qualified. ANG units didn’t have F-4 (or F 101 Voo Doo) What do you really know metro? He neve received orders for Nam. Could he? maybe if he went active AF and qualified on F-4’s…
November 12, 2011 at 11:54 am #740191
kootchmanMemberNo exterior cannon for ground support, a one mission plane, and there was no mission for the F 102. All the weapons were internal to facilitate high speed pursuit of propeller driven Soviet bombers… coastal defense. Never saw a Bear or Badger bomber in Nam’…
“Entering service in 1956, its main purpose was to intercept invading Soviet bomber fleets. Designed and manufactured by Convair, 1,000 F-102s were built.
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