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January 17, 2010 at 10:17 pm #686632
JanSParticipantcoexisting?
January 17, 2010 at 11:18 pm #686633
HunterGParticipantCut off your hand and use it to bait the trap.
January 17, 2010 at 11:23 pm #686634
tanyar23ParticipantI agree on the coexisting piece.
January 18, 2010 at 1:00 am #686635
elikapekaParticipantAnother vote for co-existing
January 18, 2010 at 1:28 am #686636
hammerheadParticipantIt is illegal to harm wildlife unless your life is in IMMEDIATE danger. You can call fish and wildlife and ask them if there is some thing they can do.
Also FYI on the dog in Magnolia, the dog WAS NOT leashed and across the way while the mom was getting the kids. The little dog RAN up to the coyote. I know is sucks this happened but think if the mom had her dog a leash this NEVER would have happened.
Another vote of co-existing
January 18, 2010 at 1:41 am #686637
JustSarahParticipantHunterG seems to be the only one so far who realizes jschu is a troll…
January 18, 2010 at 2:02 am #686638
pigeonmomParticipantAmen SarahScoot!
January 18, 2010 at 2:06 am #686639
velo_nutParticipantLove those trolls.
January 18, 2010 at 2:07 am #686640
velo_nutParticipantwatch out… say something like that and some d-bag on the forum will report you to SPD….
Trust me.
January 18, 2010 at 5:27 pm #686641
JoBParticipantvelo-nut..
only one “dirt bag”
lots of posters
even more readers
and more than one who offered to help you with vet bills…
January 18, 2010 at 5:30 pm #686642
JoBParticipantvelo_nut..
only one “d-bag”
lots of posters
and even more readers
some you have never met
who offered to help you with vet bills and fines
just saying
January 18, 2010 at 5:46 pm #686643
hopeyParticipantjschu apparently can’t be bothered to read the home page. Posted mere hours before this thread was started: https://westseattleblog.com/2010/01/coexisting-with-coyotes-what-you-might-not-know-or-remember
My suggestion? Capture a troll and use it to bait the coyote trap.
January 18, 2010 at 8:20 pm #686644
velo_nutParticipantand I forgot my sarcasm tag once again! :-)
January 21, 2010 at 1:33 am #686645
erin215MemberUgh, I feel for you. When coyotes killed our cats, we went through everything. I e-mailed animal control, Fish and Wildlife, and city council members. We talked to a private trapper (whose suggestion was to walk small dogs on a leash so you can pull back whatever the coyotes don’t eat), and asked the city what we’re allowed to do.
What we learned is basically this:
1. The city won’t do anything until someone gets hurt (yes the mayor’s office actually told me they’re waiting for a kid to die!)
2. You’re not allowed to trap on public land
3. You can trap on your property, but according to the trapper, getting coyotes in there is tough
4. You can spray mountain lion urine around and it should scare them away (but it’s expensive). This may also be a temporary deterrent, because coyotes used to fear domesticated dogs too.
I’m not personally a big fan of “coexisting” with disease-spreading, cat-eating animals that have been known to attack children and even adults. However, until someone in Seattle gets injured (in which case, expect to hear a loud chorus of people screaming “we were concerned all along!” while you stare in open-mouthed shock), your best bet is to keep ALL small animals indoors (and by small, I mean smaller than say a German Shepard, as coyotes have been known to kill and eat dogs their own size, since they hunt in packs), walk your dog on a leash at all times, no matter the size, keep garbage tightly sealed, supervise all children around green belts, make sure your dogs are fully vaccinated and don’t let them drink from water in the park, and report coyote sightings to your neighbors.
Those who don’t mind the coyotes, please do the rest of us a few favors:
1. Stop letting your cats outdoors if you live near Schmitz Park. Seriously, it breaks my heart.
2. Do not feed them!!! You encourage them to hunt through people’s yards.
3. If you encounter one, scare it away. It’s best for them and us if they’re afraid of people
I know coyotes seem like dogs who live outdoors, but they are predators. A lone coyote can kill a sheep. A pack of coyotes can get a small cow (I’ve seen the remains–it ain’t pretty). They are here, though many of us don’t like, but we don’t need to encourage them.
January 22, 2010 at 5:34 am #686646
ws4everMemberDo trolls actually think they are amusing, or don’t they have hobbies? Pigeonmom, we have a neighborhood woman who acts just like Abner’s wife, who tries to engage others in her swirl of self-assigned importance and drama. <Yawn> Thanks, your picture makes me laugh!
Few things we can control except perhaps ourselves most of the time. Including coyotes.
January 22, 2010 at 9:52 am #686647
WSBKeymasterMixed signals now from the government. Suddenly state and local authorities are roaming Magnolia trying to take out 2 that have been spotted there – per this Times story:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010858318_coyote22m.html
The concerns cited include disappearing pets. We are not advocating for coyote death squads but wondering, if that’s a concern enough to bring out this response, then why AREN’T they doing that elsewhere?
I’m going to see if I can hunt down, so to speak, WDFW comment later today.
January 22, 2010 at 10:41 am #686648
JanSParticipantmaybe their wheel is squeakier…
January 22, 2010 at 4:23 pm #686649
B-squaredParticipantI wonder, out of ALLLLLLLLL the folks who believe that coyotes killed their pets, actually have any proof whatsoever. i imagine that it happens occasionally. but i would also imagine that a lot more animals are hit by cars and their remains are removed by coyotes or raccoons. i grew up in the suburbs and we never saw coyotes, and seldom raccoons, but there was also plenty of roadkill that lingered for weeks. in west seattle, where people are packed together tighter, and use the street for parking, the chances of animals being hit by cars is far higher. could it be that many of the missing pets were hit and carted off by coyotes or raccoons? this seems very plausible to me.
January 22, 2010 at 4:30 pm #686650
GenHillOneParticipantre: news coverage of the Magnolia/pet incident, I’m more than annoyed that it’s not being mentioned (ahem, KING & Tim Robinson this a.m.) that if the woman had leashed her little dog – it’s the law, right? – it could not have been able to go over to “meet” the coyote. And erin215, interesting that you say you’re not a fan of co-existing, but have you read the link to what it means to co-exist? You listed many of it’s main points, so it appears that you are more of a fan than you may think.
January 22, 2010 at 4:43 pm #686651
KBearParticipantI’ll bet cars kill a lot more pets in Seattle than coyotes do.
January 22, 2010 at 5:16 pm #686652
JustSarahParticipantKBear: obvious solution is to shoot the cars.
January 22, 2010 at 5:55 pm #686653
erin215MemberB-sqaured: You are correct that many cats are killed by reckless drivers, cruel teenagers, and raccoons. One of the cats we lost we had tracked by a search and rescue dog, and it’s possible that someone stole her, based on the fact that the dog alerted to the cat having been alive when the trail stopped completely (though all that means if she left the pavement alive, even if it was in something’s mouth). The other cat I’m pretty darn sure a coyote got. I won’t say how I came to that conclusion, because it’s gross.
Others have actually seen coyotes take animals, including one elderly woman who watched coyotes snatch her son’s dog out of the yard.
I no longer allow cats outside, and encourage others to keep theirs indoors as well. 25+ years our cats were fine outside. The summer the coyotes arrived, we lost two and the “missing cat” signs went crazy around the neighborhood. Yes, we connected the dots without solid “proof.”
WSB– I am also very curious why Magnolia got help and we did not. I guess their kids are more important than ours. I would be very interested in what the city says.
GenHillOne: Those are my compromises. My *preference* would be rifles or poison.
Honestly, and I know everyone is going to hate me for this, I think our city-wide love fest about the coyotes is about plain and simple urban hippie guilt. We want to pretend that we’re a totally green city that barely changes the landscape. We still have wildlife and trees and la la la. I’m sorry, but this is a smoke-spewing, carbon-producing city and we crushed nature when we got here. We killed the bears and the wolves (which you would not welcome back), the deer, most of the fish, and nearly all the trees. We paved over nature. If you feel bad, I can understand. If you want to appease your guilt by welcoming predators on playgrounds, please, please go talk to some ranchers and ask them if that makes sense.
January 22, 2010 at 5:56 pm #686654
erin215MemberBy the way, I’m not big on being snippy because we can hide behind the anonymity of the internet. If you want to actually say anything sarcastic to me, my phone number is 206-235-9182, and I’d love to meet you for coffee at the bakery sometime.
January 22, 2010 at 6:01 pm #686655
GenHillOneParticipantSarahScoot, count me in for humanely trapping the cars if you want to go that direction ;)
January 22, 2010 at 6:31 pm #686656
JoBParticipanterin215
“My *preference* would be rifles or poison.”
i wonder what the coyote equivalent to that statement would be ???
The coyotes have adapted well to human occupation of their territory. Perhaps it’s time that humans did a little adaption themselves.
I was in Tacoma a couple of months ago.. at their big park.. the name escapes me but it’s where the zoo is.. and discovered the overabundance of racoons on the scenic drive.
We.. my two shiba dogs and I… stopped at a lookout and decided not to stay because of a woman who felt her cute little lap dog didn’t need a leash…
as we were pulling out.. a group of raccoons crossed the road in front of us and headed towards the lookout. I stopped so i wouldn’t hit any of them and as we sat there nearly 30 raccoons crossed to the entrance of the lookout.
i looked back and saw that the woman with the dog was standing with other people less than 10 feet away watching the raccoons.. and the tasty little morsel that was her dog was still unleashed and 5 feet closer to the raccoons than she was.
i rolled down my window.. not being stupid enough to step out of the car and expose my ankles to the raccoons surrounding the car.. and hollered that she might want to leash her dog.. that raccoons in packs can be pretty vicious.
She said.. “Oh, i know” and didn’t even call the dog to her side.
I am assuming she got away with her stupidity that day since there was no big news story about a woman and her dog being attacked by raccoons in the news.. but maybe it is such a common occurrence that it wasn’t newsworthy.
BTW.. the shibas, who are extreme predators themselves.. knew enough to keep a low profile with that many raccoons surrounding the car.
You have got to wonder why most humans aren’t that smart.
if you don’t want coyotes in your yard, don’t put food in your yard to entice them.. it really is that simple.
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