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January 6, 2012 at 9:49 pm #743810
kootchmanMemberJust for funsies redblack… the most drawn upon river system in the world is the Rhine… it is cycled through water treatment for driking water 8 times its annual flow. If you take sperm counts from Rotterdam to the source waters… the farther upstream ya go… the lower the male sperm count. The more endocrine disruptions … but ya will never ever hear that will ya? Lots of causes, birth control being but one….plastic bags is JUNK science,… it’s effect on water quality is minisucle compared to what comes off the lawn and garden shelves and the local pharmacy… but those are sales tax dollars… so do something with great symbolism but little effect…. it;s the Seattle way….and lord knows the kook aid gets gulped up
http://www.naturodoc.com/library/hormones/estrogen_pollution.htm
not credible… try EPA
http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/6922
or
BOULDER, Colo. — When EPA-funded scientists at the University of Colorado studied fish in a pristine mountain stream known as Boulder Creek two years ago, they were shocked. Randomly netting 123 trout and other fish downstream from the city’s sewer plant, they found that 101 were female, 12 were male, and 10 were strange “intersex” fish with male and female features.
It’s “the first thing that I’ve seen as a scientist that really scared me,” said then 59-year-old University of Colorado biologist John Woodling, speaking to the Denver Post in 2005.
See my point …. plastic bags is pure puffery so the city can look so so so “progressive”.
January 6, 2012 at 9:57 pm #743811
kootchmanMemberJoB I had TWO drinks on you… Manhattans. up. You owe me $9 and because it was the right thing to do… add 30% tip.
January 6, 2012 at 10:56 pm #743812
brewParticipantI will make a pledge to start using cloth bags if you all will make a pledge to stop polluting our waters with your caffeine intake…or, maybe we should ban that also…
Kootch is right, 40 years plus of fishing/boating on the sound and I can’t recall the last time I saw a plastic bag in the water. On the other hand, plastic bottles, cups, cigarette butts, etc. are prevalent.
January 6, 2012 at 11:02 pm #743813
datamuseParticipantWhat do plastic bottles, cups, and cigarette butts have to do with caffeine?
January 6, 2012 at 11:15 pm #743814
brewParticipantUm…nothing. I was merely backing up Kootch’s statement of –
I happen to have two boats… and ya know what? I have never sucked a plastic bag into an impeller.. not one. They are rare out there… now plastic bottles, 6 pack rings… lots of those.
January 6, 2012 at 11:30 pm #743815
SonomaParticipantHmmm…can we break a record here, possibly with another 150 comments? Rules: Comment must include sniping between conservatives and liberals, specious accusations, and use of the term “junk science.” Bonus points for use of ellipses…like…this. Extra bonus for mentioning Obama, Mayor McGinn, or santorum.
January 6, 2012 at 11:38 pm #743816
datamuseParticipantMy point is, nobody’s trying to make a case to ban caffeine, so why make the comparison? I guess you could be saying that the bag ban is being imposed for the main purpose of annoying you, but it seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to just for that.
Just cause you don’t see the bags doesn’t mean they ain’t there. (Yeah, biased source, but start on page 8 and read the references.)
January 6, 2012 at 11:59 pm #743817
kootchmanMemberI never see em… sorry. Saying there is plastic in “every cubic inch” does not mean every plastic particle is from plastic bags. There is tonnage aplenty. It’s not an awful lot of trouble for Seattle city council… it took little effort, made all the progressives swoon with delight that their champions did something wonderful… got a few more votes from a people who love their laws and laws, and laws… impress me? Ban lawn pesticides, fungicides, phosphates, stuff that REALLY hurts, ban all the nurseries from selling non-native plants that can progagate…. do something that has some consequences. When they shut down Wycoff and coal resin (creosote) logs and rail ties.. that was substantive.. y’all read tomorrows paper…. the anti-bag ban petition is contained.
January 7, 2012 at 3:36 am #743818
JanSParticipantSonoma…don’t forget the GDP
January 7, 2012 at 3:47 am #743819
JoBParticipantkootch..
ooo… ooo… we have your approval for this?
“impress me? Ban lawn pesticides, fungicides, phosphates, stuff that REALLY hurts, ban all the nurseries from selling non-native plants that can progagate…. “
that is well worth the price of two Manhattans… ;->
sonoma…
i am working on the pregnant pauses … to build my score…
but want to know…
do i get extra credit for ooo
and for buying drinks for the opposition?
surely plying them with liquor should be worth something?
January 7, 2012 at 4:31 am #743820
SonomaParticipantHahah, JanS and JoB! Love you both!
January 7, 2012 at 11:35 pm #743821
kootchmanMemberJoin that crusade.. and I will buy the rounds. Plus you get the added benefit of sticking it to golf courses.. and we all know it’s the 1 per cent who play on those.
January 9, 2012 at 2:37 pm #743822
redblackParticipantso now dissolved plastic is good for us. (at least it is for french and germans.) nice debate, kootch. i’m fully convinced that drinking trace amounts of plastic will have no adverse effects over the course of my lifetime.
i’m also convinced that plastic bags don’t exist in puget sound waterways, because you’ve never seen one.
still, i’d like to watch you swallow a plastic bag or a stretched-out balloon whole so that i can observe the positive effects. marine mammals do it all the time, and they’re obviously thriving, huh?
maybe you could wash it down with a spoonful of DDT.
January 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm #743823
JoBParticipantkootch..
you owe me a bunch of booze…
i joined that crusade decades ago.
where have you been?
redblack
LOL.. i don’t think that was what kootch had in mind when he mentioned cocktails
January 11, 2012 at 5:12 am #743824
redblackParticipantpishaw, jo. don’t you know that liberals are responsible for starvation in africa because “we” stopped the use of DDT there? and DDT is the safest stuff on earth – so safe that you can eat a spoonful and it won’t kill ya’.
honest!
cocktails? meh. cocktails are for wussy liberal kids.
real ‘merican men eat cheap imported chinese melamine, drink dioxin, breathe SO2 straight from the exhaust pipes of their freedom-lovin’ dodge rams, and dust their genetically-modified factory-farmed meat – rare, of course! – with 2-4-5 T.
i could get so over-the-top hyperbolic with this…
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