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September 14, 2012 at 6:41 am #757432
SammysueMemberThe people who think the Seattle Times is a conservative paper are delusional. Liberals (and I used to be one so I can say this) tend to only listen to people who agree with them–they also tend to suffer from psychotic self-righteousness. They think that because they are Democrats, they are somehow morally superior…and because they don’t entertain any opposing information, unfortunately they are often ignorant of important facts….sorry just speaking my truth here. So let me give you some opposing information. The Seattle Times is not conservative! Those of you who believe this are probably just so far to the left that you see them as conservative! I’ll give you an example: The day after the Republican National Convention, the Times had Romney on the front page (after a fairly strong finale)but had a huge Microsoft half-page fold-over ad that covered the entire story over that front page. Of course their coverage of the Democratic National Convention had no such ad covering up the Messiah. They’ve been pro Democratic and anti Republican for as long as I can remember and this President deserves criticism!
Listen, for the past thrity years, I’ve voted Democrat but this administration is so far to the left, they’ve gone off a cliff—and I won’t follow them. President Obama is associated with radicals because he is one. The church he belonged to for twenty years is a black liberation Marxist anti-semetic group who gave Louis Farrakhan a life-time acheivement award. His childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist who was so virilantly anti-American he was on a U.S. “no fly” list and was considered a possible terrorist threat. Just these facts alone should’ve raised red flags to Americans but no, the liberal press protected him (and continues to protect him) from the hard questions and vetting that any other candidate would’ve faced. He continues to snub Israel, our long time ally, and the only stable, modern Democracy in the region. To ad insult to injury, he recently apologized to the crazed extreemists who were apparently so “offended” by some obscure random youtube video critical of their prophet that they murdered our ambassador and three other U.S. officials! Yet when Obama went to speak at Nortre Dame he demanded that all of the Catholic icons be covered! The hypocrisy! He bends over backwards apologizing and showing respect to these insane people but tells the Catholics to go ____ themselves… He is an Islamic sympathizer. And by the way…..that is bad. Islam in the middle east is biggest threat to world peace in modern times. What is going on over there should frighten all Americans– but of course if they are watching MSNBC, they probably think what is happening over there is just Democracy in action. These are people who think a medieval Arabia is the solution to their problems… which brings me to my last point… The Democrats have claimed that the Republicans have waged a war on women—because, in part, they support the Catholics who would rather not pay for birth control in their hospitals because of their religious beliefs (even though birth control pills can be purchased for ten bucks at Walmart)! Yet the Democrats are eerily silent when it comes to Islam, sharia law, their treatment of women and their belief that gays should be put to death or imprisoned for life! Is this the twilight zone or America? I’ve forgotten since this incompetent anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-business clown took office. And I haven’t even gotten to his “lower our standard of living” policies or his trillions of dollars of spending while we teeter on the verge of economic collapse! If the Seattle Times were conservative, people might be a little bit more informed!
September 14, 2012 at 6:48 am #757433
datamuseParticipantFunny thing about left and right…it does seem relative to where you’re standing.
F’r instance, most of my European friends think the entire U.S. political spectrum is basically so many shades of red, the Democrats included.
Myself, I tend to subscribe to the Bill Hicks theory of politics, but perhaps I’m just cynical, lazy, or both.
September 14, 2012 at 7:01 am #757434
SammysueMemberLOL
September 14, 2012 at 10:14 am #757435
kootchmanMemberYea we need lessons from Europe…
September 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm #757436
redblackParticipantsammysue:
Liberals (and I used to be one so I can say this) tend to only listen to people who agree with them–they also tend to suffer from psychotic self-righteousness.
for one thing, i don’t believe for a second that you were ever a liberal.
for another, conservatives tend to project the worst sides of their personalities onto others, especially liberals.
for a third thing, the seattle times is a corporate rag. their editorial board is definitely not bleeding-heart liberal.
fourth, if you read the comments at the times, i could see how you might think that america has a great, silent, conservative majority. far from it. the rest of us just don’t really give a [expletive deleted] what other people think, and we don’t need our judgments affirmed by anyone else.
(even though birth control pills can be purchased for ten bucks at Walmart)
can you buy viagra at wal-mart, too? you know that viagra is covered under most insurance plans, right? so why not birth control pills?
Yet the Democrats are eerily silent when it comes to Islam, sharia law, their treatment of women and their belief that gays should be put to death or imprisoned for life!
we don’t govern islam, and we shouldn’t be projecting christian or american values onto them – at the point of a gun or with money.
which is why we call right wng christians the american taliban: they’re always trying to project their values onto others.
you feel oppressed because liberals want you to tolerate others’ lifestyles and mind your own business. right? because it’s your right to make others live as christians do?
September 14, 2012 at 2:25 pm #757437
DirtyCoyoteMemberThe Times comments section is a big joke! Like their paper. It breeds major ignorance. When you correct someone elses thoughts and produce actual facts, it is either deleted right away or you’ll be given a slew of thumbs down. The group in charge of deciding which comments shall stay or go clearly is uneducated from my point of view. I’ve followed their rules and for no reason have been banned. They don’t send you an email telling why you were banned. It definetly is cohearsed towards the stupid. The younger generation isn’t as savy as my folks were. Most of them today have no reading comprehension and can’t form their own opinions or thoughts. It shows me how low one’s I.Q. is when all I see is “I blame Obama.” in the comments. I’m Independent, but you can clearly see how uneducated a lot of these people who comment in the Times are and the ones controlling the educated ones by deleting their posts or thumbing them down in droves. I actually feel dumber after I open up and read the Times paper or go online to their site and read stupid comments. Thumbs down time now..
September 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm #757438
DirtyCoyoteMemberThere is no such thing as freedom of speech anymore. Blogs don’t give freedom. When you are controlled by another and can’t post what you really think then your freedom has been taken away. Don’t let the wool be pulled over your eyes.
September 14, 2012 at 2:50 pm #757439
2 Much WhineParticipantsammysue, you said: “They think that because they are Democrats, they are somehow morally superior…and because they don’t entertain any opposing information, unfortunately they are often ignorant of important facts….”
That’s funny – that’s exactly how I see many Republicans.
September 14, 2012 at 3:08 pm #757440
miwsParticipantSeptember 14, 2012 at 3:23 pm #757441
2 Much WhineParticipantMike, You’re far too hip and internet savvy for me – I had to look that up.
September 14, 2012 at 5:07 pm #757442
datamuseParticipantYea we need lessons from Europe…
Oh, kootch, please DO point out where I said anything of the kind!
September 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm #757443
miwsParticipantSeptember 14, 2012 at 5:56 pm #757444
megMember“Liberals (and I used to be one so I can say this) tend to only listen to people who agree with them–they also tend to suffer from psychotic self-righteousness.”
for one thing, i don’t believe for a second that you were ever a liberal.”
OH RIIIGHT, RB. And if you are godless, atheist, or agnostic then I wouldn’t believe for one second you were EVER raised in church or read the bible! Good thinking. Once brain-washed, always brain-washed, LOL.
September 14, 2012 at 6:24 pm #757445
oddrealityParticipantSeems to be some proof right here in this thread that people are paid to post.
Every single election cycle since 2000 ~ on every board I have ever posted ~ someone shows up, usually more than one, to spout their party line. That is all they do. Sometimes they make a friendly first post where they try to look like they are actually joining in.When the election is over they disappear.
They are all over Facebook now and every newspaper online or off. You simply cannot trust “opinions” you read anymore.
You simply cannot trust all political posts to be “real” this time in the election cycle.
We have a couple of paid to post-ers here I think. The price you pay for being a popular blog.
September 14, 2012 at 7:04 pm #757446
megMember“you simply cannot trust all political posts to be ‘real’…”
Why should it matter, oddreality? An unpaid post v. paid? Even if revealed, how much ‘truth’ would there be in each type? How much is tightly held ideologies, or false assumptions, or real fact?
Plus. Can someone really answer those questions, without their own depth of knowledge? Should one’s political learnings be based upon Trust or Knowledge?
Personally, I couldn’t care less if posts are paid or unpaid. My job is take topics I don’t fully understand and dig deeper. Until I begin to see their complexity and understand it, I haven’t dug deep enough. ;-)
For me, Posts can serve as springboards, launching me to seek more understanding of the subject.
September 14, 2012 at 8:31 pm #757447
oddrealityParticipantWell, Meg, I like to read what real people/neighbors think. Not what some party tells someone to post for money.That is not real.That is not information, that is propaganda.Which I suppose it is still “info” just not the sort I want to read on a neighborhood blog.
September 14, 2012 at 9:03 pm #757448
megMemberI do see your point, oddreality, at least from the neighborhood community angle. Though, I wouldn’t trust that a neighbor doesn’t just spout propaganda either. Talking face to face has been replaced with digital typing on a global medium. This is certainly NOT local.
The way to talk with your own neighbors, is to actually speak with them. I know, takes time. But, What’s more Local than that? And I will bet you the paid political posters will Not be making the effort to be there in person, LOL.
September 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm #757449
miwsParticipantSeptember 14, 2012 at 9:41 pm #757450
megMemberMike,
An unpaid post is not more credible because its unpaid. Nor is a paid post more false, just because its paid.
Someone may have more time on their hands– someone else may have less time, or need the work. Both people hold the same beliefs & have come to the same conclusions. Both people post separately, yet they write essentially the same thing. Which content isn’t credible? They are the same.
I don’t confuse credible with authentic. I can’t know if you are authentic or not. Are you really my neighbor? Are you really Everything you’ve said you are? Has everything that you claim happened to you, really did? Don’t know. On a global digital medium, I can’t know.
But. I can still judge the credibility of your post content, to the degree I know enough about the subject.
If I really want to know more about your Authenticity, I would have to meet you.
September 14, 2012 at 11:02 pm #757451
kootchmanMemberwell then, because every journalist is paid, we can discredit their entire life work? Perfect. time to shut shutdown journalism schools..? No one on Clear Channel, CBS, ABC, MSNBC can be trusted? They are paid. Right on OR.. the arrogance of the left… if there exits any opposition to the conventional liberal claptrap … they MUST be paid!!??? could never be they see the moral and fiscal bankruptcy of the liberal agenda? Are you are being “paid” miws… to espouse your liberal causes… it’s the whole dog biscuit paradigm… I don’t paid a dime from the federal government or state .. hence I am not compelled to defend their every profligate spending spree.
September 14, 2012 at 11:09 pm #757452
SmytheMemberI am really starting to pity the right wing crazies here. Your lives must be pathetic.
September 14, 2012 at 11:13 pm #757453
kootchmanMemberBecause viagra or the need thereof is a vascular disease or deficiency? redblack … that interferes with sexual function? Same reason there is no opposition for the use of bc pills for endometriosis.. a clinical and chronic condition.
Treatment to stop the endometriosis from getting worse often involves using birth control pills continuously for 6 – 9 months to stop you from having periods and create a pregnancy-like state. This is called pseudopregnancy. This therapy uses estrogen and progesterone birth control pills. It relieves most endometriosis symptoms. However, it does not prevent scarring or reverse physical changes that have already occurred as the result of the endometriosis.
Strawman argument.
September 14, 2012 at 11:44 pm #757454
megMemberKman,
To be fair, it does seem like a few rabid lefty posts have suddenly landed. out of nowhere.
I can also see that this forum’s name aids a false sense you’re just chatting with your own local neighbors. It seems local due to name, because the blog provides local news, and b/c many forum topics ARE local & attract local commenters. However, politics is not a local topic. And, even if a commenter is local, a digital bitstream still does not give authenticity.
September 15, 2012 at 12:13 am #757455
kootchmanMemberWhat conservative other than a local one would post on the WSB? Seattle? who would expend the effort? Now… the left .. they have a franchise to protect. I would rate that as a higher probability.
September 15, 2012 at 1:10 am #757456
dhgParticipantYet when Obama went to speak at Nortre Dame he demanded that all of the Catholic icons be covered!
Cites on this, Sammysue?
Comment sections in ST are hopelessly polluted by paid right wingers posing as outraged sammysues. We all understand that when a journalist reports, he/she is being paid and is covering a story with a certain unavoidable bias. But that changes when the directive is given from on high that it must be highly biased. Thus we get the terrorist fist bump episode. Main stream media is somewhat conservative. ST supports the Repubs time and time again.
For the record, Obama is running a centrist administration which has been a disappointment to progressives.
And Sammysue, only rabid faux news true believers refer to him as the messiah. To progressives, he is articulate and intelligent but he is not expected to walk on water.
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