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November 8, 2016 at 7:03 am #863978
captainDaveParticipantwaynster: Nope. My commentary is ended. I have done all I can to warn you guys about trading in 240 years of constitutional government for the false promise of free stuff and forced equality. By the end of the day, we shall know if a free America still exists.
November 8, 2016 at 7:33 am #863980
waynsterParticipantAmerica will still be free….and hopefully free of Trump and his supporters….
November 8, 2016 at 8:08 am #863981
J242ParticipantDave: “There are numerous situations where negotiation after the fact is just common practice. Your doctor, for instance, might send a bill to an insurance company for $30K knowing that it will be negotiated down to $22K or whatever by the insurance company. In another example, I was involved with a dot-com company years ago that negotiated a $500K legal bill down to $150K and some stock options.”
It seems that you do not recognize the difference between negotiation and refusal. Negotiating involves both parties as active participants in an exchange. That was not what happened repeatedly. Trump’s scenario is getting services at an agreed upon rate than saying “Nope”. It’s acting on the principle of “selling out his good faith” pure and simple. He’s robbed small businesses and independent workers left and right because he knows it would be much more costly for them to mount a legal suit (that they would win) against him to recoup the difference than to simply accept the lower amount. If you sign paperwork to do a job for $10,000 in good faith then they only pay you $7,500, even though all the conditions of the agreement were met, that’s theft and potentially fraud.
Your health care & start-up comparisons are not accurate because in the HCI scenario you are referring to specific legal options for people who can’t afford the full payment or have health care insurance which specifically works with in and out of network providers for the reduced cost to you. With the start up, stock was substituted in place of cash but is still remuneration. It is not the same as saying “Too bad, this is all I’m paying you”. How you are unable to understand the difference is beyond me.
“If Trump had done anything criminal, he would have been in jail by now. Trump does not have the same government protections as Hilary Clinton.”
What he did is not criminal as the “crimes” are only civil offenses and he was found to be guilty in that sense, repeatedly. Dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times.
November 8, 2016 at 8:13 am #863982
J242ParticipantDave: “If Trump had done anything criminal, he would have been in jail by now. Trump does not have the same government protections as Hilary Clinton.”
Don’t forget, he is actually being charged with criminal fraud over the Trump University boondoggle.
Plus he’s potentially going to face perjury charges on top of labor law violations over his use of undocumented polish workers and not paying them.
There’s the possibility of his violation of immigration laws, IRS rules (further fraud), bribery and more. Just because someone doesn’t serve time in no way means they are not criminal, especially when you have the hypothetically (yet still unproven) deep pockets and habit of over-suing like Trump.November 8, 2016 at 9:36 am #863994
captainDaveParticipantJ242: I can’t help you understand the complexities of business while you are pushing a baseless political narrative to prop up a deeply corrupt candidate. You ignored the words “after the fact” in my previous post. We shall soon see if the deceptive brainwashing strategies of the Clinton campaign have completed the track towards fundamentally changing America for the benefit of your beloved globalist establishment. I will have no pity for those who had the knowledge to change course, but rather chose an opulent government-funded fantasy over the reality of our national and international state of affairs. Good luck to you.
-Captain Dave
/Over & OutNovember 8, 2016 at 9:41 am #863995
JTBParticipantcD I conceded that the business stuff is secondary compared to Trump’s emotional immaturity and volatility which I consider to be his most troubling shortcoming. If you care to address that, fine; but it seems you’ve elected to ignore it in your response. Again, it’s not about some NYC brashness; I suspect you know that.
November 8, 2016 at 6:51 pm #864068
JoBParticipantCaptain Dave..
You tell me what you want for a cruise..
i’ll pay you by check
then i will stop payment on the check and write you a replacement for 70% of the total.
If it’s good enough for the donald and you approve
it’s good enough for me ;-)November 8, 2016 at 7:45 pm #864079
captainDaveParticipantJoB: I will take it. It’s the least I could do for being such a tenacious debate opponent. :)
November 9, 2016 at 8:08 am #864134
JoBParticipanttoo late Captain Dave…
i saw the stock market this morning ..
middle class people like me can no longer afford little luxuries like yours…November 9, 2016 at 5:31 pm #864183
JKBParticipantActually the market opened up a little, and climbed slowly throughout the day. Pretty good day.
November 9, 2016 at 8:38 pm #864201
captainDaveParticipantJKB: No surprise about the markets. Same thing happened after BREXIT. If you guys were following the same media channels I follow, none of this would have been much of a surprise.
November 9, 2016 at 9:42 pm #864214
redblackParticipantsorry, righties. your votes in washington state were worthless. they never even had a chance. it’s not personal; it’s just math.
federally, it’s all about the electoral college.
and we voted for forward thrust 3 and quite a few tax increases.
y’all should move to swing states. or indiana. i hear the real estate is cheap and taxes are low.
November 9, 2016 at 11:31 pm #864220
captainDaveParticipantredblack: You seem a little butthurt. For that, I am sorry. But as I mentioned much earlier in this thread, Trump was going to win for all the reasons I posted. The pendulum was due to swing. Nothing personal.
The one thing you might not have noticed here in Washington, is that the liberal bubble around Seattle has gotten a lot smaller. Liberalism won in Washington, but the opposing pressure is building not shrinking. Republican voter participation was lower than most other states because many didn’t bother to vote due to the perception of Democrat domination. But now they know Democrats can be defeated. If non-amaz/soft employment in the region continues to decline (which it will with more regulations), then things will flip like they did elsewhere. Until then, enjoy the fun of living in one of the few bastions of pure progressive liberalism where you can watch the dollars of tomorrow senselessly burned for the pleasures of today.
November 10, 2016 at 8:34 am #864241
JoBParticipantcaptaindave
your business depends upon that bastion of pure progressive liberalism that is fueling the Seattle economy. I would’t be in such a hurry to drill a hole in my own boat if i were you.November 10, 2016 at 11:01 am #864268
captainDaveParticipantJoB: It is true that I financially benefit from the economic surge Amazon has brought to Seattle. However, I don’t like the precarious situation we have let our elected officials develop here. When Amazon chokes, the entire city will suffer for lack of healthy economic diversity. Like Detroit did 50 years ago, we can all pretend that reliance on dominant monopolies is a good thing, but history tells us something different. Some people have the ability to see the future better than others.
November 10, 2016 at 2:07 pm #864293
JanSParticipantI always laugh at people who pay attention to the likes of Ann Coulter…enjoy it all while you have it, Dave. Hope he helps you the way you think he will. None of us can read the future..
November 10, 2016 at 4:09 pm #864308
redblackParticipantyeah, dave, it was sour grapes. i freely admit to posting such in the face of gloating. especially gloating that paints trump as anything other than graceless, arrogant, foul-mouthed, and rude. what an embarrassing figurehead we have elected.
but i’m also pissed off at the DNC for failing to be reflexive in the face of progressive groundswell. republicans didn’t win so much as democrats lost because progressives defected or stayed home.
this is the dark side of altruism, and it sucks that we can’t vote our consciences without putting some dangerous oaf in the white house.
i have been hoping for some time that HRC would get off the freaking stage already. this is not how i had hoped she would do it. i thought she would have taken the hint in ’08.
i was wrong.
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November 10, 2016 at 5:55 pm #864338
JoBParticipantredblack.. and that is what lost the election..
buying into the “it’s Hillary” game …
yes. i will vote for her but i will hold my nose.. not terrifically inspiring…we could have all pulled behind her candidacy months ago
instead we got Trump.i would have thought those who called themselves liberals would get the hint..
movements don’t produce anything without opportunity… and too many just dumped opportunity because they didn’t get the candidate of their choice.too much to walk back after the primaries… and too little enthusiasm for actually doing so…
and this is the result…outcome matters and in this case the trickle down from this outcome is likely to matter even to those best placed to ride this Presidency out…
No matter what else happens we have lost the support of the Supreme Court. We have a voting system in which the exit polls and the vote counts don’t match except for those states that have mail in voting… where voter suppression is the norm.. and political power in the hands of those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo..
we have lost the opportunity to turn back the clock on Citizen’s United and it’s highly likely that Roe vs Wade will be challenged and likely overturned in the face of all of the state laws now restricting not only the right to abortion but a woman’s access to birth control.
we have lost the opportunity to finally legalize the status of women’s equality in the United States.. not to mention the precarious status of gay and transgender rights.
And you think this is because Hillary won the Democratic nomination? It’s all her fault?
Nope.. sorry. I don’t buy it
Concentrating focus on the personal antipathy towards our candidate instead of on the actual issues lost this election…
equating the democratic party with the republican party as though there was no real difference lost this election…
rationalizing if we can’t have everything we want we will pick up our marbles and go home lost this election.
and Trump is the result.
btw RedBlack.. please don’t take this as a personal tirade against you even though you are the one who made the statement and who i aimed the reply to..
In my own house my “better half” made disparaging remarks about Hillary talking as though she was the worst thing that could possibly happen to our country until the day of the election and cast his vote for Jill Stein.
to say he was not pleased with the outcome of the election is an understatement.. but I am pretty sure he still doesn’t see that he and people like him who couldn’t let go of their personal antipathy towards her is what lost this election…
there was no reasoning past that wall of “she…..” no matter how unfounded the charge was…Blaming Hillary for the campaign of slander that has been waged against her since she refused to bake cookies may be a popular pastime.. but it sure was’t productive.
She remains the most qualified candidate we could have fielded to actually enact some of the progressive legislation everyone said they wanted.. unless of course it was enacted by her.
I am an exceedingly sad woman this week.. and likely to give up my lifetime of political activism in the wake of this election. That so many could throw so much away for so little reason is more than i can handle both intellectually and emotionally… i just don’t think i have what it takes to start over in a worse position than that where i began.. 50 years ago.
November 10, 2016 at 8:23 pm #864365
redblackParticipanti’m sad, too, jo. but please read my words. i don’t blame HRC. i blame the DNC for playing the RNC/big money game, and playing win-at-all-costs.
we, as democrats, shouldn’t have to hold our noses. republicans do that. i mean, the “party of family values” just nominated and elected a man with children from three different wives, FFS. there’s nothing wrong with that, of course, unless you’re a sanctimonious a$#&%*!
we should put up our strongest candidates first, regardless of how much money they funnel to DNC leadership, unions, CNN, comcast/MSNBC, or how long they’ve been “waiting their turn.”
we need to tell joe scarborough and his bosses that we don’t need to do that, and that if they want to interview our candidates, they’re going to do it for free – or we’ll find a way to get our message out without them.
i’m sorry that you feel the need to check out. i really hope that you don’t, and that we can turn this to our advantage by showing big media why it’s so f$#&k!g wrong that that clown was allowed to advance as far as he did. and by exposing why trump’s malleable “values” are contradictory to well over half of his supporters’ values. and i think that deep down in the places they don’t like to talk about at cocktail parties, republican rank and file know that.
we sure as hell don’t need to emulate or compete with that moral bankruptcy.
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November 10, 2016 at 10:35 pm #864394
captainDaveParticipantJanS: Yes, I am sure you would have been one of those laughing liberals when she predicted a Trump presidency a year an a half ago. If you had listened to her and place a bet back then, you could have made 100 to 1 at the casinos.
I actually don’t know much about Ann Couter. She just hasn’t been on my radar. Maybe it’s because her personality seems too snarky for me. My favorite talking heads are Lars Larson, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and of course Rush Limbaugh who you can listen to on local AM 570 and 770. I also listen to NPR. Us deplorable working stiffs find radio convenient while we are doing our jobs. Other than that, I read a wide range of random newsletters, blog and news sites and articles I find online including Breitbart, WikiLeaks, Stefan Molyneaux, Simon Black, Drudge Report, Huffington Post, New York Times, Washington Post etc. I don’t care much about the major networks like CNN, FOX, MSNBC because they are so full of fictional entertainment.
redblack: I think a lot of Trump voters (including myself) were much more interested in the issues rather than the man. I agree with you, I could have never imagined Trump as a figurehead of the US. But, most of us deplorable simple minded working folk recognized Trump as a winning fighter who could be held to task on everything he promised. I think Trump is an egotistical maniac who wants to go down in the history books as the best president the US history. With Trump, it’s all about building a lasting legacy. You need to study psychology and Trump’s family history to understand this. Fortunately for us, Trump’s motivation is in alignment with the American people rather than special interests. That’s all I will say on this because you won’t believe anything I say. So just live with your loss like so many of us did after Obama was barely elected in 2012.
JoB: Hillary did not win because she felt that she was entitled to win with all her merit badges. She simply disrespected, abused and ignored the electorate.
November 10, 2016 at 10:51 pm #864396
JKBParticipantdave: to be fair, the ‘deplorable’ meme is Hillary-specific. So long as she steps off into the sunset, and unless someone else resurrects it, it’s done.
November 10, 2016 at 11:36 pm #864399
captainDaveParticipantJKB: Now, the mantra is strait out racism. It’s disturbing to see so many liberals accusing Trump supporters of being racists. I think I would rather keep the term “deplorable” since it is only subjective and not an incriminating accusation meant to incite violent reprisal.
November 11, 2016 at 11:59 am #864480
JoBParticipantredblack..
you aren’t hearing me.
i don’t believe we ever had to hold our noses
i believe we had the best possible candidate to actually begin to accomplish our political goalsno..she wouldn’t have been able to deliver everything and more
nobody could
but she could have delivered enough to turn the tideinstead we get Trump.. which has loosed a sea of bullies.. not just here on the forum but out in the world.
yesterday i was sitting in a drive through when a decently dressed man in a Trump hat walked up to my car and thrust his arm through my window pointing his finger like a gun and said bang.. he then said that he could have killed me if he wanted to.
i was shocked..
and so was he when he realized that there was a dog in the car about to bite the hand he stuck in my face…but that didn’t stop him from winking lewdly and strutting away when he was able to pull his arm out unharmed.
Now.. you know me to be a Hillary supporter.. but there was nothing in my car or on my person that would indicate that i was anything other than an older woman… i don’t even drive an electric car or a hybrid… there is nothing about me sitting in that car to single me out as anything other than a vulnerable woman… an easy target.
the man was not drunk and he didn’t exhibit any signs of a mental disorder.. he was just a bully.. and he saw a woman (like Hillary) and he was going to show her…
I really honestly thought that at my age i was done with this kind of physical intimidation from bullies.. but i guess not.
to make it worse.. the man who was standing not 6 feet away and witnessed the entire incident shrugged his shoulders and gave me one of those sorry but what could i do looks and walked away.
This is not the America i fought so hard for…
but it is the one I have been forced to deal with…and for some of us it’s more dangerous than others.
i had a car and a dog between me an this bully… He didn’t have a weapon… but it could easily have been much worse and any woman who isn’t aware of that is naive at best.It didn’t have to be like this and as far as i am concerned there is no real excuse for it.
And to be perfectly honest. i am not so willing to go above and beyond any more to help those who should have had my back and found every excuse not to.
lessons not learned are repeated and i see no evidence that any lesson has been earned here.
at least not one that will keep this same scenario from repeating itself endlessly.i told you so.. months ago.. but it doesn’t really give me much comfort to be right
November 11, 2016 at 12:04 pm #864481
JoBParticipantCaptain Dave
“JoB: Hillary did not win because she felt that she was entitled to win with all her merit badges. She simply disrespected, abused and ignored the electorate.”
another lie you bought …
can you explain to me how a woman who held meetings in small venues for the sole purpose of listening to those who came to meet with her disrespected, abused and ignored the electorate?
heck Dave.. she even would have listened to you which is far more than i am willing to do.
November 11, 2016 at 12:48 pm #864494
miwsParticipantJo, I’m sorry and disgusted that you experienced that at the drive-thru, not only because you are a good friend, but just from a humanitarian standpoint as well.
Do you think the guy may have recognized you from posting here, even though pictures of you have been posted on WSB only very occasionally?
Mike
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