Student report: New schedule controversy at West Seattle HS

EDITOR’S NOTE: The West Seattle High School newspaper will be sharing student-produced stories on WSB from time to time. Their new edition is out – should be linked here by day’s end – and the top story is big news; we are checking out reader reports of a student protest this morning, related to this change. Here is the student-reported story as published in the newly released November edition of WSHS’s The Chinook.

By Simone Machmiller
Reporting for West Seattle High School’s newspaper, The Chinook
Special to West Seattle Blog

West Seattle High School is planning to once again change the schedule. This schedule is slated to go into effect in January and will be the sixth time the senior class has faced a new schedule in their four years as WSHS. The schedule change is planned in order to solve union disputes with [Operating Engineers] Local 609, the union the lunch workers are protected through, and will result in WSHS going to two lunches.

Principal Ruth Medsker came up with the idea of splitting the school into having two lunches and having each half take a lunch before fourth period or after fourth period. This is a big change for WSHS students who are used to going to lunch straight after fourth period all together. Now they’ll have to compromise and go to lunch with only the people with the same lunch period.

“I don’t think this is a good idea,” said junior, Emmie Riley. “There’s no problem with our lunch now so there’s no reason to change it.”

Although the principal is in favor of this new change, the students don’t really agree with her.

“It is stupid because it will screw up our schedules,” said senior Jesse Tarabochia.

The teachers were told about this new proposed lunch schedule on Wednesday, November 10, after the agreement was signed by Gloria Morris, Human Resources Manager, David Westberg, Business Manager, Local 609 and Medsker.

At the beginning of the 2010-2011 school year, Medsker was given notification of a grievance, where the “Local 609 filed an unfair labor practice complaint with PERC (Public Employment Relations Commission) alleging failure to bargain over changes to lunch or breakfast schedules.” Cleveland High School, McClure Middle School, and West Seattle High School were the three schools under a legal argument. The school was forced to come up with something to make the Local 609 happy.

This year’s schedule allotted for five fewer minutes during second breakfast, which was the issue. Students frustrated with the potential of another schedule change wonder what are the options? “Options, there aren’t any,” said Medsker. “We have to have two lunches with no second breakfast and starting school at 8:10 am. We will be in line with all the other schools.”

Research shows that only four out of the 10 high schools in the Seattle Public Schools district currently have two lunches and that six, including WSHS, have one. Making WSHS have two lunches will not bring the school into the norm of the other schools; in fact, it will just make it 50-50 between the district’s schools.

A lot of teachers were unaware of the legal issue until after Medsker made a decision on having two lunches. Teacher input was not requested as a whole.

Since the settlement agreement has already been signed by the three parties, Medsker said there is nothing that anyone can do to change her mind.

“It’s done,” said Medsker. “I think it’s a reasonable decision for all needs, it’s just change and it’s hard, but I am not super-excited about supervising two lunches.”

There are other options that WSHS could resort to. Teacher Jeff Ursino proposed a 53 min. model last year with a 15-minute break and with only one lunch. Medsker dismissed this idea because of “impracticality” for the students memorizing when each class would start, even though Ursino’s schedule would work perfectly with the International Union of Operating Engineers, Local 609 and Seattle School District No. 1.

If students are involved in clubs, ASB, sports, etc. their time to work will be compromised. Lunch time is when a lot of clubs and ASB students meet. By changing from one lunch, to two, it will make meeting at lunch impossible.

“Things like that have to be worked out,” said Medsker. “Before school and after school. Other schools do it; we just need to learn how they work under the two lunch conditions.”

Student athletes who are currently in clubs as well, will no longer be able to participate in clubs because they are unable to go in after school to the meetings.

Meetings before school would be 30 minutes early, requiring students to come to school around 7:35 a.m.

This contradicts one of Medsker’s reasons for starting school later.

“Research shows that adolescents perform better in schools with later starts,” said Medsker.

Another frustration with the new schedule is the limited opportunity to make up tests or check in with teachers.

“I have three meetings a week at lunch, sometimes four,” said senior Madison Doll. “Monday ASB, Tuesday class officer, Wednesday Diversity Club, and every other week Luncheon Committee. With the new schedule change I will not be able to meet during lunch, making it impossible to get even half the things done that are needed.”

Student athletes may be affected even more than the average student. Athletes will no longer be able to go to the club meetings they used to attend at lunch and they are worried about the limited time to check in with teachers in order to keep on top of their academics.

“I use break and lunch to get help when I don’t understand something, or am absent, because I don’t have time after school due to baseball,” said senior Kellen Gearon. “Without them I am likely to fall behind.”

Students in the Drama Club are also worried about the effect no break and a split lunch will have on their performance in school.

“During shows I have absolutely no time to get help from teachers after school,” said senior David Ramirez, who just completed a key role in the Drama Club’s fall play. “Break and lunch are my only hopes of seeing teachers outside of class for help.”

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WSB EDITOR’S NOTE: Thanks again to The Chinook for sharing their story, and we look forward to more of the student journalists’ work. Meantime, we are working to follow up on this to find out more, particularly from the union whose action is reported to have triggered this.

40 Replies to "Student report: New schedule controversy at West Seattle HS"

  • Lori November 19, 2010 (11:35 am)

    We had two lunches when I was a student at WSHS (’82-’85). We all seemed to survive. I see so many kids today with crazy, hectic schedules. One cannot do everything & be involved with every activity. Pick one or two and reduce some of the stress in your life. We had ASB meetings, etc after school. I managed to be involved with various clubs & sports throughout my time at West Side and had a blast. It can work. It will be o.k.

  • Terese November 19, 2010 (11:52 am)

    Unfortunately, “one or two” activities are rarely sufficient to get kids into many of the increasingly competitive colleges these days. I applaud students taking the initiative to protest, and equally importantly, to suggest viable alternatives.

  • Chris November 19, 2010 (11:52 am)

    We had two lunches where I went to high school (92-95) and we did just fine, you will too. This is not a major story.

  • A.H. and R.D. November 19, 2010 (12:00 pm)

    It’s not the fact that it’s only a schedule change; it’s the fact that we tried to talk to the administration about the issue and they just shut us down and didn’t want to talk to the student body about it. The only time that they did talk to us was when it was a done deal and we had no further say in it. Also, the only time that the administration stepped in was when they heard about the walk-out. The students of West Seattle High School feel as if the administration is slowly turning our constitutional rights away. We feel that we should have been informed of it earlier, since the grievance was filed two months prior to this.

  • george November 19, 2010 (12:02 pm)

    Wow. Bagging on kids trying to be involved in as many school activities as they can, or catching up on lessons. What have we come to? This is not the ’90’s, things change.

  • Elizabeth November 19, 2010 (12:07 pm)

    This isn’t 1985 nor is it 1995, this is 2010. I agree with Terese, to get into a good college “one or two” activities are not enough. Being the mom of a West Seattle High senior I can only say “Yippee”, only 6 months to go. We’ve been through 6 schedule changes and to really mix things up school bus service was taken away and kids were thrown onto Metro buses; crowded, confusing, and late for school. It’s been a very stressful and confusing 4 years for my child and for me. Way to go West Seattle High you rock:(

  • Ryan November 19, 2010 (12:19 pm)

    I understand the students arguments and think they are valid. But the most ridiculous part of this is that this is the 6th schedule change in 4 years for this senior class. My brother is one of those students and I’ve seen how frustrating a major change in schedule can be. Kids, even adults thrive on consistent, predictable routines and schedules. Another thing to consider is an increase in kids skipping 4th period so they can have lunch with different friends. It wasn’t explained very clearly in the article about the dispute with the union but having two lunches seems like it would only increase the amount of work for the cafeteria.

    • WSB November 19, 2010 (12:53 pm)

      Ryan – We’re working to find out more from the union’s standpoint, among other things. This story was the first we had heard of the schedule change, so we published it fairly quickly after receiving it (and we do applaud the student journalists’ work in speaking with multiple sources – complicated tale) … hopefully a followup to come. – TR

  • Aaron November 19, 2010 (12:37 pm)

    We had two lunches when I was in school and I still found time to letter in two sports, be active in Student Government, Drama, volunteer in local politics, participate in three other clubs and still work part time. I had friends that were more active than I was, and we did this before the advent of Red Bull.

    Lunch was never a stressor. Two lunches relieves strain on infrastructure and local businesses. Act like the grownups you want to be treated as, and get over it.

    In the Student’s defense: WSHS needs to get it together and solidify a schedule. Constant change is may be good at teaching adaptation, but it doesn’t make for a good study environment.

  • SomeGuy November 19, 2010 (1:02 pm)

    Good news kids. In the Marines everyone eats chow at the same time. You may find the time provided a bit inadequate, and the quality might be a step down from the cafeteria, but at least you can BS with your buddies before the next mission.

  • west seattle high school seinor ht November 19, 2010 (1:25 pm)

    I am a senior at west seattle high and since my freshman year here the schedule has been changing periodically.not only is it stressful on us students but it also can be confusing. with the new principle this is the 2nd time this year we had to change something about it

  • kellym November 19, 2010 (1:30 pm)

    I got a letter about the schedule change along with my daughter’s progress report yesterday in the mail. I don’t recall any of the reasoning stated having to do with labor issues…interesting that it wasn’t mentioned in the letter to parents. I’m guessing that there’s quite a lot of pressure from these union(s) or that would potentially not made a schedule change until the next school year. While I’m not so up in arms about the change, I find it refreshing that students are still interested in more than MTV, Jersey Shore, Facebook and texting!

  • bsmomma November 19, 2010 (1:35 pm)

    I just love Medskers attitude….. Sorry, it’s done….It’s just change….I’m not super excited to supervise 2 lunches…. Teachers input wasn’t an option…. And the line about being inline with the rest of the schools??? Maybe someone should do there homework before speaking…… sarcasim and pun intended. :)

  • Cclarue November 19, 2010 (1:38 pm)

    Scheduling conflicts aside. It is refreshing to see a decision being made inPC, revamp, rehash, choose one of 12 options
    ,never make a decision Seattle!!way to go Medskger. A change had to be made and never can you please everyone.

  • Cclarue November 19, 2010 (1:40 pm)

    but I will add 6 changes in four years is terrible!!

  • WSHS Student November 19, 2010 (2:05 pm)

    These overwhelming amount of changes at West Seattle High School are becoming a barrier to a student’s success in a learning environment. Students need consistency. I agree with Simone, stating in her article that “Meetings before school would be 30 minutes early, requiring students to come to school around 7:35 a.m. This contradicts one of Medsker’s reasons for starting school later.”

    Over the years, students have tried to let things slide with these changes, hoping that when the new administration comes in, they would listen to our opinions and concerns, and also be approachable, like the previous administration. The students of West Seattle High School are quite disappointed with the way things have turned out.

    Some people might think that it’s pointless and worthless to fight over a schedule change, but the students of West Seattle High School have had enough. We have been taught to stand up for what we believe in, and the point of the walk out is to tell them that our voices also need to be heard. People might see this as immature, and that we’re only kids, but for us, this is a form of growing up. By having a peaceful and non-violent assembly, we are standing up for ourselves and being passionate about defending an issue.

  • Schmoopie November 19, 2010 (3:00 pm)

    While I understand that the seniors at WSHS are frustrated with the number of changes in their schedule, they need to think of it as preparation for college. Never is a college schedule predictable, or even getting into a certain class at a certain time, guaranteed.

    I support Ruth Medsker’s decision. Some things need to be decided by the administration and aren’t up for debate. People need to be able to go with the flow and adapt to change. The clubs will certainly take the changes into account and try to include everyone as they can.

    If athletes need extra help, they can go before school starts, email their teachers or get help from a fellow student.

  • homesweethome November 19, 2010 (3:15 pm)

    I don’t see how getting to school at 7:30 is a big deal, we went to high school at 6:30, willingly, so that we could participate in sports, band, etc after school hours (post 2:30pm). As to schedule changes, sounds like typical SPS. Both the admin and the students need to develop stronger arguments for their positions.

  • Lovely November 19, 2010 (4:27 pm)

    and what are they losing as a result of two lunches? more time with friends? i don’t get what the drama is about. suck it up. hang out later and perhaps study or READ a book together. exactly what constitutional rights are being taken away? can you cite them? put your big kid pants on and get to class.

  • Student November 19, 2010 (5:04 pm)

    @Lovely… you sound like a prude women. You don’t understand what the drama is maybe? Its not the fact we can’t spend more time with friends. It may be the fact that we have had a new schedule for the last 4 years. This new Admin Is putting us threw it again. why can’t they just let us be for a few years and why can’t they suck it up and let us talk for once. It seems like we don’t have the right to talk like it says in the Untied States constitution. We had no say they just threw it out there with barley any time to prepare our selves for this change.

  • Lou November 19, 2010 (5:39 pm)

    Congrats to the students for voicing their opinion and using the media as a forum. If this happened when I was in school, I’d be pissed (for all the reasons stated and for not being able to hang with my friends). It seems like too many adults/non-students on this forum are not taking the students seriously and just telling them to shut-up and suck-up. I bet everyone else would have been irritated by a change like this (especially being the 6th change and mid-year) if it occurred to them. Sure, maybe some of you had two lunches and you were cool with that – did the change occur mid-year during your senior year? Can you really empathize with the WSHS students?

    BTW, I’m not a student nor a parent of students at WSHS…but I do have young kids.

  • Seabug November 19, 2010 (6:42 pm)

    I bet the teacher’s are really thrilled with a new administrator making decisions all on her own without consulting the people most affected. Gotta love that type of admin!!
    I feel for the teachers and the students and applaud the student’s speaking up for themselves, isn’t that what we should be teaching them to do instead of just laying down and being steamrolled.

  • george November 19, 2010 (7:06 pm)

    Has everyone missed the point that this is the Union calling the shots here??

    Cheers to the students for having a peaceful, mature response, rather than looking like the morons from Eugene who would mask themselves and go on a smash and bash fest. To bad the same can’t be sad for all the “mature adults” here. Walk a mile…

    • WSB November 19, 2010 (7:09 pm)

      We did talk with the union this afternoon – I will be writing that up later tonight. – TR

  • Jaelyn November 19, 2010 (7:16 pm)

    I am a senior at WSHS and I am in numerous clubs at school. So for people that are saying that this is a good idea, are you telling me that I have to wait until after school to go to clubs everyday which will effect my personal life, then stay up untill twelve to finish homework because I didn’t have that time to do it right after school, just to get up at 5:30AM to go to meetings before school???? I don’t think so. Second,upperclassmen will not be able to see teachers for help or to make up test during lunch because they will be teaching. Third, it’s just more of an opportunity for freshman and other students to skip classes and have two lunches. Fourth, if they think the lunch line is too long, then its just going to get longer because the 300 freshman will have to stay on campus to eat. Fifth, the councilors will have to re-schedule EVERYONE’S schedule so freshman can have their own classes. I can go on with this list. It’s just ridiculous.

  • Student November 19, 2010 (7:45 pm)

    You will not understand where the students are coming from unless you are a student at WSHS yourself. We did not protest because we wanted our way, but because we did not have a say in what was going on. Heck, the teachers didn’t even have a say. We wanted to get our point across that our voice matters as well. The seniors have suffered a lot. The new principal should not treat us like we’re in middle school. Who tells us to be quiet during a pep rally? That’s besides the point, however, we’ve been here longer than she has and she cannot just change everything about our school ignoring our opinion on it.

  • westello November 19, 2010 (8:24 pm)

    If kids feel the administration doesn’t listen to them, they can imagine how parents feel from the district perspective. Good job for speaking up, kids.

    The district signed a contract with the union on these issues. The district did not consult the union when it made changes and it was the union’s right to challenge any changes made that violated the contract. Both the union and the district made this change occur.

  • Alki Resident November 19, 2010 (8:31 pm)

    Is it true that some students that protested today got suspended for doing so?

  • LyndaB November 19, 2010 (10:12 pm)

    I went to WSHS back in the day and I believe our schedule was like the one Mr. Ursino proposed. You had time to grab something on the break like Otis Spunkermeyer cookies (hot and fresh out of the oven) and then went to your club meetings during lunch. It’s great to see students to voice their opinion but I see this as a lesson which they will come upon when they start working in the real world. Decisions are going to be made without debate (sometimes because if you do it that way it can be beaten to death and no decision ever gets made) and some decisions will include your input. This is true in the workplace. As I read the article, that’s what I thought of in comparison to my workplace. Not everyone will be happy and we just move on. Bitch and moan until time passes by. By then, the issue comes up again and you have the chance to say “I told you so”. I guess maybe what I’m saying is: “Patience, grasshoppers.”

    I’m awaiting to hear the full story about why the union pushed for a change in the first place. Thanks, WSB!

  • Jeff November 20, 2010 (7:42 am)

    Yes, there has been a lot of schedule chaos at WSHS. I applaud the current administration for taking the steps that can end it. Lets get the facts straight: After over a decade with a consistent schedule, a major change was forced on the school by the District. Then 3 years of changes followed because there was so much “input” (including students) that nothing could stick. I admire the students’ willingness to take a stand, but pick a worthy fight. This isn’t really a story. BTW that student-newspaper article carries some significant errors in it as well.

  • Mike November 20, 2010 (10:43 am)

    Westello is right. The District needs to live up to it’s commitments. It committed to a contract with the Union and it (should be) committed to following the law.
    What does it teach kids when the adults around them break commitments like that?

  • CSIHS Student November 20, 2010 (11:52 am)

    I’m a student at Chief Sealth and we had the same thing happen here. The school changed our schedule to a block schedule 2 weeks into the year, then two weeks or so later they changed our lunch schedule by splitting classes again. The administration and the district really have shown that they prefer to do what is convenient for themselves and not what is going to make school a better experience for the students and allow them to get ahead and ready for college.

  • alki_2008 November 20, 2010 (12:09 pm)

    Just a couple thoughts…If the asignments to a lunch period were based on class (ie, all seniors and junior have lunch after fourth period), then would it be so much of a change for them?
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    That wouldn’t resolve the club/activity meetings issue…but couldn’t some of that be alleviated by using online resources. It’s the 21st century, people don’t need to meet in-person as often when they all have internet access.
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    Let’s face it kids, the schedule is going to change. Big lesson for life and ‘growing up’…learn how to find solutions, rather than expending energy on something that isn’t going to change back.

  • yikes November 20, 2010 (7:25 pm)

    The students are protesting that this decision was made without any consultation or notification of students or their families. We expect them to be responsible for their education, clubs, and to negotiate their way to college. Why can’t they contribute to the solution to this problem? What better way to introduce them to the real worled than to give them experience with the dilemnas of running an educational instution and working with unions?
    Ms. Medsker may have found a solution, but she lost the support of her stakeholders.

  • Jaelyn November 20, 2010 (9:25 pm)

    alki_2008, you act like that is our only problem. There are numerous things wrong with this new schedule that will effect our school life and personal life. You wouldnt know that because you clearly dont go to our school. The fact is, the administration doesnt care about the students or teachers. If they did then they would have told us months ago. We wanted our voices to be heard. Thats why we protested. They told us nothing was going to change before we did. We didnt protest to change the schedule, we did it because we wanted to let them know that they had no idea who they were messing with, and it worked. The principal is scared out of her mind and she doenst know how to run a high school.

  • Mr. U November 21, 2010 (7:17 pm)

    Interesting comments, all. I may not agree 100% with everything this new administration does, but I will say this: Jaelyn, you’re wrong. This principal cares deeply about making real improvements at our school. And scared? No, she isn’t, not at all. There are pros and cons to every such change, but I will say this: I am considering sending my own child to WSHS because of the renewed confidence I have that, all hype aside, WSHS is still the best place to get ready for real college success. I was starting to fear for my institution under previous “leadership”. It is a fact that this slice of the current student body is upset with Ms. Medsker for exactly this reason: they are seeing what “in charge” looks like, for the very first time in their 3 years at WSHS.

    And for the record, Ms. Medsker did consult the school’s Instructional Council (representing all teaching departments) who supported this move.

  • Sara November 21, 2010 (9:50 pm)

    These kids sound ridiculous, that’s why no one is taking them seriously. Can ONE of them write a complete, grammatically-correct and persuasive statement?? Obviously not.
    I’m a young Highline teacher that lives in West Seattle, and these kids should feel lucky they’re even able to start school at 8:10am with a 15 minute break!! Are you kidding me? Most schools start at 7:30am, 55 minute classes, two lunches, no breaks. Deal with it.
    As for the clubs, they are extra-curricular and not required by school. If you don’t’ want to take the time out to meet after school or before school (rather than stand outside at Starbucks like so many of you love to do at 7am), then that’s your prerogative. Quit then.
    I know I may sound harsh, but I was really involved in high school and we started at 7:20am, with THREE lunches down in Tacoma. Now I lead 2 clubs as an advisor. And by the way, when Highline has a day off and Seattle doesn’t, it IS a little disturbing to see all the WSH kids hanging out on the streets, at McDonald’s and at PCC with all that time.
    Lastly: I know a few kids who live in WS and go to school down in Des Moines because their family knows WSHS doesn’t deal with things well, and the Seattle School District is a mess. They DO need to clean their act up from the top down a bit. But this might be one step in the RIGHT direction.

  • Irene November 22, 2010 (11:41 am)

    I would just like to say that one, if you don’t think it’s a main issue then don’t read it and waste your time commenting on it. This is a real issue for students at WSHS. Two, why put down the students for trying to be involved with their school? All students need to be encouraged to be involved and with your attitudes, you aren’t doing that, in-fact you are discouraging students for standing up with what they believe. What have our American adults come to?
    To get into a University now-a-days students need to be involved with extra-curricular activities, they don’t let you in just for grades anymore. Also college tuition has risen immensely since the majority of you commenting on this went to college. So, scholarships are a major necessity for students, and scholarships have standards which include extra-curricular activities. Everyone needs a college degree for our future.
    If you don’t think this is important then don’t waste your time and energy to put down our youth who are being Americans and taking advantage of our First Amendment.
    Also when you are old and poor because you cannot afford to take care of yourself, you will be putting your life into the hands of our youth now, so don’t you think a college education would be a good idea so they can afford taking care of you?

  • Sara November 22, 2010 (6:40 pm)

    Irene: like other high school students on this thread, you make no sense. Please take English 101 seriously when you get to your college (SCC?).
    “has risen”? …Oh Lord.
    “Everyone needs a college degree for our future?” ..wow, what an eloquent point.
    –College entrance is based at almost 95% on grades and standardized testing scores (SAT/ACT). Your clubs will not get you the big scholarships which help you attend. They add to your total package, yes, but what really clinches that scholarship is your GPA and a really great essay.
    –If you’re being “American” and taking advantage of your First Amendment rights, then do so with a good POINT that gets through to people. Well-written, thoughtful, and something that impacts the reader. If your point is that all WSHS students wanted to do is stand on the street and wave around club signs to exercise your 1st Amendment, then great, that’s what you got.
    Not one student has posted a good reason to keep it to one lunch. Period.

  • WSHS Parent November 22, 2010 (11:17 pm)

    Hey kids – deal. Seriously, I’m sorry the last administration seems to have made you think that you were supposed to be running the place. I’m sorry the last administration left a schedule for the new administration that was unworkable. But you know what? Sometimes those in charge need to just, you know, act like they are in charge. Hopefully, the lunches will be split 9/10 and 11/12 as well. That way, the closed campus rules for underclassmen can actually be enforced. Independance is something that you earn as you grow and open campus privileges should go to upperclassmen.

    I’m sorry that the last administration let you think that whining was ok.

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