Paris, France: Freedom of the Press, or poking the bull?
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January 12, 2015 at 6:53 am #820558metrognomeParticipantJanuary 12, 2015 at 6:57 am #820559metrognomeParticipant
not to mention the Muslim employee of the store …
http://mic.com/articles/108128/this-muslim-man-saved-hostages-lives-during-the-kosher-market-siege
and a little perspective on white terrorists …
January 12, 2015 at 7:02 am #820560HMC RichParticipantEven I, he of the right wing Tea Party, have seen many of Islam condemning these heinous acts.
January 12, 2015 at 7:12 am #820561JanSParticipantRich, get over it. JoB defended no one. And Christian FANATICS are no better than Muslim FANATICS. And Christian FANATICS predate Muslim FANATICS, as she said. If you don’t believe that you have blinders on.
And get over that oh, so tired comment about how we’re all gonna live under Sharia Law. I will neither live under Sharia Law or Christian Law, thank you very much.
Now go have a cup of tea…
January 12, 2015 at 7:46 am #820562HMC RichParticipantFanatics are fanatics. I never said we would live under Sharia law. Why were Christians brought into this discussion anyway? There wasn’t any need. This was apples and oranges but I knew the Rosie O’Donnell silly type of comment would appear.
If would care to notice, It is apparent that in France, Australia, Canada and in the US that Islamic Terrorists/Fanatics have twisted their religion and murdered people. Not to mention the eradication and genocide of Christians happening in ISIL and Al Queada held Middle East. And to top it off . . .
OUR PRESIDENT AND/OR OUR VICE PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE WENT TO FRANCE AND PARTICIPATED WITH OTHER HEADS OF STATES PROMOTING FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. THEY STAYED HOME.
SHAME ON OUR LEADERSHIP. Netanyahu and Abbass were there!!!
I am embarrassed at the lack of leadership that Nobel Peace Prize winner shows or rather doesn’t. What about it Mr. President? Were you too busy watching ESPN or the NFL playoffs?
I will have a gluten free beer I think. I only like Chai Tea.
No. I will not get over it. There is no comparison between the two religions.
January 12, 2015 at 8:08 am #820563HMC RichParticipantForgive me Jan. I came on a bit too strong.
This may explain it. I take a lot of selfies….
I only take a few, so I am only a little psychotic.
January 12, 2015 at 8:33 am #820564captainDaveParticipantelikapeka: Legeslation never means anything until it does. It is pretty clear what CAIR is up to with their sponsorship of Washington Senate Resolution 8652 when you look at all the no-go zones around the UK and EU.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones
dobro: interesting article you posted earlier. But my take away is that the author seems to think that we should not poke a stick at the rapidly growing elephant in the room to avoid getting hurt. It seems to me that solidarity for a free and civil society (inclusive of freedom loving people of Muslim heritage) would mean that we would not allow the big elephant of Islamic legal politics in the room in the first place. …Hence, the constitutional doctrine for a separation of church and state.
Here is a good article with a different viewpoint: http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/standpoint-islamic-terrorism-a-perspective-from-the-west-2051689
When Alaska Air Flight 251 crashed off Santa Barbara in 2000, nearly every airline flying MD 80’s around the world jumped up to assure passengers that their planes were not going to crash from improper jackscrew maintenance.
Islam is BOTH a religion and a form of government. Radical elements of Islam are literal expressions of the Quaran that are practiced daily in many muslim countries. Some of these practices might be considered at best,”Improper maintenance” of a free society.
So, yes. Due to the potentially destructive nature of Islam and its ambitions for totalitarian governance, it would seem that spiritual leaders should frequently condemn the literal use of specific verses in the Quaran to keep their non-muslim neighbors at peace.
Search “Baga, Nigeria” in Google Maps. It was a real village (not just another refugee camp) on the edge of a desert lake in Northwest Nigeria up until last week. Fortunately Google Maps is not realtime because if it was, all you would see is dead corpses and burned out homes of “infidels”. The entire village ceases to exist as of a couple days ago according to the Nigerian government.
Aspects of Islam may be peaceful, but as a comprehensive geo-political movement, it is dangerous to people who want freedom.
January 12, 2015 at 11:45 am #820565JoBParticipantHMCRich.. show me where i have ever defended the abuse of women
January 12, 2015 at 5:05 pm #820566dobroParticipantHere’s an article with some more insight on why the attacks occurred…
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/a_message_from_the_dispossessed_20150111
January 12, 2015 at 6:20 pm #820567JoBParticipanti read all of this and it makes me want to cry…
that so many people can’t look beyond the color of someone’s skin or the religion they have chosen or their lack of resources and see that these are human beings with the same wants, needs and dreams for themselves and their children as you… and often with far fewer resources to realize them than you.
it’s so much easier to make them some kind of lesser person.. not really a person at all but a label than to treat them with the same kind of respect with which you would expect to be treated.
this is not unique to West Seattle.. but it makes me really sad to see it here.. among the people with whom i have chosen to spend my life.
we can and should do better
January 12, 2015 at 6:47 pm #820568wakefloodParticipantI understand your despair, JoB. And it’s becoming a global issues. The HAVE’S are quite adept at pitting the HAVE NOT’S against each other. Indeed, it is quite exactly what they have in mind.
They poison minds with propaganda from their machines. They rig government to arrange conflicts. They mete out universally required resources to the highest bidder. Divide, pit against each other, arm them whenever possible and stand back and watch the carnage from the castle.
And it absolutely, positively will not change unless we look at each other and realize we aren’t the enemy. The HAVES will not all the sudden realize they’ve got enough and give it back. It’s a sickness. A survival instinct metasticized into a deadly cancer.
January 12, 2015 at 7:27 pm #820569JTBParticipantdobro. I think Hedges is spot on. A month or two ago I heard some discussion about how disaffected, impoverished youth are attracted to the romanticised vision of striking back against the power structure. While I appreciate there are some similarities with the Red Brigade and other leftist terrorists groups, I do believe the cultural and religious aspect of the current problem makes it easy for too many to focus on that obvious component and entirely miss the underlying socioeconomic drivers that are ultimately responsible for the bleak conditions.
Some committed conspiracy folks see this as indicative of a deliberate effort to perpetuate instability in Europe and the Middle East, not simply the work of some self-radicalized losers. While I think that’s a bit of a stretch, I do think it is impressive that the Kourachi’s appeared to have become proficient enough in urban guerilla tactics in only three days of training in Yemen to subsequently assemble a sophisticated military kit back home and execute a logistically smooth and unhindered action before leaving an ID behind. I suppose no matter how you look at it, they were either too unaware to realize they were being played or else were too stupid to realize they were only fulfilling the anti-Muslim meme about barbaric zealots. Regardless it adds to the noise while keeping us away from the systemic issues as Hedges notes.
January 12, 2015 at 7:29 pm #820570HMC RichParticipantJoB, I know you care so much about people. I need to remember that you are a friend and not an enemy. We may not agree but obviously we both want what is best for our fellow citizens, friends, and families. But sometimes the institutions that I care about get attacked and I will respond.
I have been on some other blogs which are less friendly and that may have rubbed off a bit too much. Time for a re-set.
January 12, 2015 at 7:32 pm #820571JoBParticipantThanks Rich..
January 12, 2015 at 7:33 pm #820572JoBParticipantwakeflood..
i just got back from touring South America and am all too aware that this is not just an American problem…
January 12, 2015 at 8:27 pm #820573captainDaveParticipantdobo: Your last article post demonstrates a very marxist point of view (which is not unexpected from an academically insulated NY Times reporter). Blaming capitalism is a really twisted distortion of fact for a million reasons.
Islam, as a government institution, has miserably failed muslim society by creating an environment of tyrannical control over every aspect of its citizenry. Religious-based governance creates a vacuum for corruption and power that ultimately results in a constant parade of gangsters, warlords, kingdoms and dictatorships having profound influence beyond their borders.
Such absolute control destroys the human spirit and greatly increases the occurrence of poverty because people don’t have the incentive to freely produce and retain individual wealth.
If you study history, you will learn that the systemic hatred against non-muslims, especially Jews and Christians, goes back at least 1,500 years–long before the “evil corporate west” was ever in existence. If you don’t believe me, enter the word “hate” at quaran.com.
Hatred and destruction is not a predominant element in human nature, otherwise none of us would be here. The majority of people everywhere, including muslims, want to live freely in a just and civil society without the encumbrances of hatred.
JoB: What is so sad about desiring good people to be free from the oppression of Islamic law? I don’t diminish people of any heritage.
JTB: I would not be surprised if many islamic terrorist situations are funded as mercenaries in the ongoing war between communist globalists and free market capitalism.
January 13, 2015 at 12:36 am #820574dobroParticipant“Why were Christians brought into this discussion anyway? There wasn’t any need. This was apples and oranges…”
I guess only Muslims do these horrible things, riiight?…or maybe not.
January 13, 2015 at 1:16 am #820575captainDaveParticipantYes dobro. Both offensives and counter offensives are horrible aspects of war.
January 13, 2015 at 1:21 am #820576JTBParticipantDiscussion Over. At least for those of us in the good old USA. We didn’t show up. Eric Holder was available for discussions about keeping suspected terrorists out of the USA, but not to stand with heads of states for united resistance to intimidation.
I believe that was an unintended yet perfect statement about what the priorities of the United States government (and Wall Street) are in the war on terror. Provocation and continuation to the betterment of….. well, we know about the 1.0%. But standing behind those we’ve put at risk? Naw. Too busy.
January 13, 2015 at 2:07 am #820577captainDaveParticipantObama doesn’t have to care anymore because he has one of these:
At 59 cents a blast, expect one on every Seattle street conner within the next few years. Why should we work to assimilate immigrants into society when politicians can engineer social problems that create discourse and opportunity for control of everyone?
January 13, 2015 at 3:27 am #820578JoBParticipantCaptainDave
Obama doesn’t have one of those.
The US Military does.
As for this..
“JoB: What is so sad about desiring good people to be free from the oppression of Islamic law? I don’t diminish people of any heritage.”
i have two words for you.
Catholicism and Ireland
Same attitude, different religion, century old conflict
as a rational man, you already know this
but you think it is somehow different if you can attach the word Islam to it?
freedom of religion doesn’t mean that we will make you all free so you can practice our religion… our way.. or else
January 13, 2015 at 5:39 am #820579JanSParticipantJTB…you do know that the president did not attend because of the logistics of security, the lack of time to plan it (they only had 2 days). Yes, Eric Holder was in France and did not attend, and the White House has already come out and stated that they did not do enough, and “made a mistake”. Yet, France is not offended, and thanks us for the support we are giving. If France can, I do not understand why Americans don’t understand and are condemning the president as not caring enough.
January 13, 2015 at 5:41 am #820580JanSParticipantinteresting article…and please spare us the rhetoric about Daily Kos and/or Chuck Todd…still an interesting read…
January 13, 2015 at 8:04 am #820581HMC RichParticipantDobro. I am glad you have learned something. Good for you.
January 13, 2015 at 9:05 am #820582HMC RichParticipantJanS. You are right. Interesting article. I don’t completely agree with it.
Chuck Todd was playing the Devil’s advocate since one of his guests failed to show up. He did not get schooled in my opinion. He presented a statement from the missing guest. The guest that answered did a fine job of explaining his point of view. But in my Opinion he, the guest, decided to play the race card as a part of his explanation.
So I looked up how many deaths have been contributed to terrorism since 9/11. The Guardian Paper provided this story . . . .http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/18/fivefold-increase-terrorism-fatalities-global-index
Dobro did make a point regarding the Christians that are killing Moslems in Chad. But his article is one sided to help prove his point or at least make a point to show there is extremism on a variety of levels and groups. Here is another piece that has some very interesting findings related to his link and more. . . http://www.pewforum.org/2010/04/15/executive-summary-islam-and-christianity-in-sub-saharan-africa/
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