Comments on: Salmon farming in nearby waters? King County Executive Dow Constantine seeks moratorium https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/ West Seattle news, 24/7 Wed, 29 Nov 2017 02:09:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chuck https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2119001 Wed, 29 Nov 2017 02:09:41 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2119001 In reply to Salmon.

Um, just because it wasn’t in the letter doesn’t mean that disease and lice aren’t issues. But keep selling you pro-farming stance. I just don’t see too many here buying.

And I sure hope they’re not buying those fish in the store; their diet is full of who-knows-what? Antibiotics and hormones, no doubt. You see, they are just getting around to TESTING all the recently captured fish that had escaped to find out just how full of disease and harmful additives they are full of. Seems the salmon farming industry isn’t too keen on sharing what they know.

As for your argument that “they’re cheaper,” sure. I’ll give you that. But at what cost? Sorry, but saving the wild fish stocks and the clean waters (fresh and salt) they need is the only real answer. Shortcuts are dangerous. Sorry if it hurts your personal checking account (just my guess).

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go donate to Save Bristol Bay dot org. Seems there’s these (Canadian) miners in Alaska who’d like to put a huge open pit copper mine on the headwaters  of one of the world’s last remaining wild salmon fisheries. I’m sure they think they can just raise farmed fish after the earthen dam full of polluted tailings breaks wide open. And here’s a funny little secret: there has never been an open pit mine that hasn’t polluted. They don’t put that in the brochure, tho.

Sorry to be so heavy here, but the enough is enough. At some point we have to start paying attention to our NATURAL world, and quick trying to outsmart it. Just say NO to farmed salmon.

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By: Salmon https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118995 Wed, 29 Nov 2017 01:51:55 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118995 In reply to anonyme.

Some handy facts about Atlantic salmon aquaculture in the PNW…it’s not that bad:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/salmo_salar/

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/aquaculture/archive/10myths.html

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By: Salmon https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118977 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:22:17 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118977 In reply to anonyme.

Anonyme–I’m not sure I understand your argument. So do we need to ban everything that isn’t necessary for human survival? 

What makes you believe that releases of farmed Atlantic salmon cause “environmental devastation”? Here are some links from some reputable sources if you want to gain some basic knowledge on this subject.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/aquaculture/archive/10myths.html

http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/salmo_salar/

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By: hyperbole abounds https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118932 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:40:36 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118932 In reply to anonyme.

“Reasonably be predicted to cause environmental devastation”. 

How?
 

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By: anonyme https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118924 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:42:06 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118924 Fact: humans do not need to eat salmon to survive.  And if more consumers were aware of parasites in fish, such as lice and worms (halibut is especially worm-ridden), their appetites might be reduced.  Poor folk can’t afford filet mignon or lobster either; what’s the mandate for that?

It is insane to risk another accident that can reasonably be predicted to cause environmental devastation.  The argument that there isn’t an 100% guarantee of harm, and therefore the greed should be allowed to spread unchecked, is absurd.  Sounds like Wall Street talking.

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By: Salmon https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118880 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 06:32:13 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118880 In reply to TJ.

Seals and sea lions eat wild salmon.

Humans eat wild salmon.

More seals, more sea lions, more humans = More competition for the same food.

Resident orcas eat wild salmon.

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By: WSB https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118877 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 05:28:28 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118877 In reply to TJ.

Southern Resident Killer Whales – the endangered local population – do not eat marine mammals. Transient orcas do. They are distinct populations.

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By: TJ https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118876 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 05:14:08 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118876 Mandating that people now can’t eat something is comical and unrealistic and something you might hear from North Korea. People should welcome farm raised salmon as a food source to complement reduced wild quotas. I admit that I don’t know a lot about orcas, and put humans first, but I have seen plenty of videos of orcas killing sea lions, which makes me wonder why they are supposedely lacking food when the data I’ve seen says sea lion and seal populations are up?

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By: Salmon https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118871 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:29:54 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118871 I agree we don’t need to eat salmon but how do we get the human population to stop eating it? I’d be interested in a fishing moratorium but it’s politically difficult to enact.

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By: M https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118869 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:23:31 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118869 In reply to Allan Crow.

http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/op-ed/comment-science-continues-to-show-b-c-salmon-farms-are-safe-1.23101758

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By: seaopgal https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118864 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:01:12 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118864 This moratorium supports the county’s shoreline review process as well as efforts in the legislature to phase out fish farming. I’m all in favor. No one actually needs to eat salmon — farmed OR wild (except the orcas). We can live without it. And we should … at least while we focus our efforts on recovering wild populations.

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By: Salmon https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118862 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 03:53:23 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118862 In reply to Toni.

Hard to live off of wild-caught tofu but yes that would be great if possible. Just not very practical, and most of the human population would die without farming.

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By: Salmon https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118861 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 03:49:22 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118861 In reply to Jeannie.

Some other considerations…

-Farmed fish is generally cheaper than wild fish, so it is more affordable for less affluent people

-Eating farmed fish is better for your health than eating no fish at all (Google it).

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By: Salmon https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118859 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 03:46:54 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118859 In reply to Jeannie.

It’s more nuanced than that. Is this about what is best for humans or what is best for wild fish and orcas? If we just care about ourselves, then yes let’s eat all the wild fish in the ocean. If it’s about the struggling wild salmon, then maybe eating them is a bad idea. 

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By: Salmon https://westseattleblog.com/2017/11/salmon-farming-in-nearby-waters-king-county-executive-dow-constantine-seeks-moratorium/#comment-2118858 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 03:41:00 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=902019#comment-2118858 In reply to Allan Crow.

Yes farmed salmon eat food, sometimes ocean-derived food. But what do you think wild fish eat and from where do you think their food is derived?

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