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JT: hit refresh, I think you will find I did give House some flip over his post.
I think your strangers behavior arguement is reactionary and not based in reality. Your best example was from Pittsburgh, you might as well use Beirut a quote from the bible or the iliad. Your neighborhood much like society is the responsibility of its members to shape, if you think that’s someone else’s responsibility your not exactly part of the solution.
Oh and not being a nice person is part of my charm, how boring it would be if everyone agreed all the time.June 2, 2008 at 9:22 pm in reply to: Rant – Broken Down Mobile Home License Plate 501 WJU #625771
Does no one else find it hilarious that the independent/conservative house wants to use the powers of the state to infringe on a private individuals right to use a public resource? ( parking )
I smell a bit of hypocrisy!!
to answer the question, I am pretty sure the ticket comes after the orange sticker is applied.
JT: So your comparing highpoint park to Pittsburgh? seriously?
I guess if you want to live in fear of everything your whole life.
I missed that the wholly descriptive Handle “JT” was a woman. I am sure I could come up with an equally offensive woman focused remark if I thought about it.
what kind of good money? And could this get incorporated into the west seattle street fair somehow?
AFTER WORK, BY THE SWINGS, AND IF YOU TELL MOM, YOUR OUT OF THE CLUB FOREVER.
Serious dude, its one thing to rant about something like husky deli not being there for a late ice cream craving, or spd camping out on four hour breaks during the day. But about ONE SPECIFIC dude thats obviously doesn’t use the WSB? Call the waaaaabuluence to help you out.
Man up a bit and figure it out. Or change your name to lattemom.
Well the next time I am at the highpoint play fields and I see the guy with a big lab akita whatever I will let him know the dude that scowls at him about his off leash dog, doesn’t bother to call the cops, and likes to RANT on the internet.
Yay! passive aggressive people rule! Way to complain on the internet when you could either talk to the neighbor in question, or call the authorities yourself.
NOWAY MAN THATS TOO EASY, COMPLAINING ON A BLOG IS WAY BETTER.
consider yourself lucky they are open on THE LORDS DAY!!!
yay for secular businesses!
jimmy: you can get cadbury pretty much anywhere in canada. commonwealth and all that.
Yeah totally. I shepherded four people into downtown today for bike to work day.
nice on jiggers! EPIC TROLL post!
go ahead and read the whole thread and post something that isn’t just “I hate ______”
But house, I shouldn’t have to change my lifestyle to afford something. It should be affordable because I want it to be. Like gas.
Great discussion, we have come a long way from *rude* cyclists, and misunderstandings about whats legal.
Please be mindful of new cyclists, there will be many on the road this week as bike to work day is this Friday the 16th.
The hilarity of people who insist on desirable housing ( where they want ) always being affordable in spite of what every 4th grader understands about supply and demand aside…..
From what I understand West Seattle was kind of a crime ridden dump 10 years ago. And suffered some of the worst of the depressed prices in the city. The crime rolled back and people figured out that living in the suburbs wasn’t all it was cracked up to be, there was very little *housing bubble* in Seattle, prices just caught up with the rest of the west coast for in city living. You want to see housing bubble, look at Vegas, or Florida, those people are screwed.
From westwood? you have a couple of routes.
Fastest: East to 9th via trenton.. follow N on 9th till it becomes Highland park Way. At intersection of Highland Park and W Marginal hook up with the bike trail on the N side of SW Michigan street about 300 yards further bike trail splits into a bridge path under the 99 bridge. Congrats, your in Georgetown.
E on trenton to delridge, N on delridge to chelan street ( under bridge ) join bike path heading toward bridge, turn right on “interurban trail” follow west marginal to trail on E side of road till it hooks up with bridge mentioned above. Enter georgetown.
I recommend against crossing the lower west Seattle bridge and going via sodo to airport way. unless your meeting someone from downtown, you can get totally hosed by Train traffic.
Job: I total get the more courtesy on both sides thing, but I believe its too easy for people in cars to forget if they make a mistake, they kill people. The attitudes on this thread alone sort of seep with the “get out of my way, or your slowing me down mindset.” People try to sell it as an etiquette issue or bikes being rude, but I think its mostly people in cars feeling entitled, and upset that they have to share the space and time with anyone. ( peds, cars, bikes )
I would think the pedestrian deaths in west seattle alone would be eye opening enough, but yet we still see discussions here and other places about I-35 and other streets. As cars have gotten safer it seems like people find new excuses to do more distracting things in them. The last half dozen near misses I have had with cars involved people on their cellphones, that includes myself being behind the wheel as well. I sat in my truck trying to turn right on California out of Thriftway and just watched this woman in slow motion bump into me because she was on the phone.
To answer you second question recumbents are pretty niche type of bike, I know some shops used to carry a mass produced one call the bikeE but I think the company went out of business. I think your stuck calling around. For places to ride, just south of west seattle along the duwamish is the interurban trail, which meets up with the green river trail. Both are great for low traffic rides. Much better than the crowds you regularly encounter on the Burke Gilman.
The narrative of this post seems to be getting forked based on who thinks they are being addressed in which post, so I will try to make them as personal as possible.
side note, I ride to work most days, but I am just as likely to ride the bus, carpool or drive my full sized pickup depending on what the day requires.
JanS, started down the “rude” conversation initially. However she contradicted herself in saying she wanted bikes to follow the rules of the road, and then called a cyclist rude for doing so. All I did was point that out.
… she also… went … passive aggressive … and checked out of the conversation…
Julie & Job brought up excellent points about how nerve racking it can be driving around an inexperienced or *dangerous* cyclist. Which is part of the discussion I wanted to have with everyone. Gas prices and good weather are pushing more people out on bikes, a lot of them for the first time.
barmargia had a point about people being held to the law. I pointed out they have been.
JT I don’t want to seem like I am baiting, I am only describing what I am seeing on the road as a cyclist which includes not only drivers who seem justified in spitting, swearing, and following me to tell me why they think I should get a car or ride on the sidewalk… Tons of novice riders who are on brand now shiny bikes doing all the things that people here have called dangerous, and things that endanger me as a cyclist. I can scroll up and read through, and I don’t see anywhere where I made this about me. Your statement “No one has shown you animosity” is totally ignoring the original context of this thread, and the single time I used the word in the context of asking a question to further discussion. People seemed to defensively trigger on the use of the word itself rather than attempting to further the conversation.
Now as far as your “road etiquette* goes, your making some huge leaps of judgment to assume that your interpretation of etiquette would mean the same thing to a cyclist and a driver. Yeah being inconvenienced on your way in a neighborhood is lame, but racing past a slow bicycle or getting angry that they are breaking the law is far more rude, dangerous and in the case of the slow moving vehicle, wrong. I would gladly take your officer bet, as I have cited the relevant RCW. Also your green lake story is cute, but its a very weak straw man.
Bikes get tickets all the time in the city of Seattle for: blowing stops, red lights and lacking a helmet ( new one as of a couple of years ago. ) so I don’t get why you think they get away with it. Again, I would say its pretty par with the behavior of cars. See my scrutiny comment above.
JanS: you said you wanted bicycles to follow the rules. I am saying the bicyclist was, and I referenced the appropriate law.
“impeding others unnecessarily” is a bit silly of a statement as I assume you were in West Seattle for the story. All city streets in Seattle are 30mph, or slower and have barely a half mile between lights. Unless you were on your way to a heart transplant, I am not really feeling your plight while you were backed up by the slow cyclist.
for the 10mph in a 30 zone:
Minimum speed regulation â€” Passing slow moving vehicle.
(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic
except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety.
Your describing a rolling stop. Yes in Seattle its breaking the law if your on a bicycle ( but not in Portland, San Fransisco or other cities, where rolling stops for bicycles are permitted by law explicitly). Your totally right they are illegal, and cars do them all the time as well. my only question is why are cyclists put to some arbitrary higher standard on the same law?
As far as being a pedestrian or a car when a cyclist wants to be, well thats the law being spastic. Legally I can ride on a sidewalk all I want, as long as I am not exceeding walking speed or otherwise yield to pedestrians. On the road I have the same rights as a car, I can take up the whole lane and am subject to the same traffic restrictions. But as they are not wrapped in 3000 lbs of protective steel covering, some cyclists choose to take advantage of best sides of both.
If I am on a street and choose to turn onto a bike path, I can follow the law, and stop traffic and wait for a clearing to turn onto the bike path, I would probably be killed by a car that didn’t see me stopped in the road, but at least I would have followed the law.
I see bikes every day merge onto the sidewalk, and then proceed to the bike path. Is it following only the rules of the road? No, absolutely not. Is it safer for the bicyclist than trusting all the cars to not kill them, probably.
I am still asking where the extra animosity comes from. Is it really because they simply broke the law? Or does it stem from people being pissed off bikes seem to do “whatever they want because of the smaller carbon footprint” as barmargia implied.
Well you can’t have it both ways. If you want bikes to obey “the rules of the road” then you have to yield to them taking up the whole lane at whatever speed they happen to be going there is no minimum speed for city streets, that’s a freeway law.
Its amazing to me the scrutiny that people in cars have for cyclists obeying laws. I wish they could apply that to all the people who don’t signal, talk on the phone and fail to merge in their cars every day.
I wonder if its because cyclists seem to *break laws* as perceived, or if its because they *seem* to do it with impunity.
Whats with all the crazy cupcake royal hate? the cat lady at quiz night went off on how they didn’t ask permission from coffee to a tea before they moved in. Who cares? Its a coffee shop that sells fu fu cupcakes. Who did they replace again? does the mob demand ben and jerrys come back so they can be mad about that again too?