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August 8, 2009 at 6:16 pm #674061
charlabobParticipantI think McDermott’s appearance at the 34th Dems meeting will turn out differently than the astroturf demonstrations claxoned on Faux News.
Firstly, members of the 34th know each other.
Secondly, what Ken said.
You gotta hand it to the insurance company lobbyists, though, they know that town hall meetings are mostly vanity shows for local pols. They were prime meat for publicity stunts by these recent “concerned citizens”.
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August 8, 2009 at 6:24 pm #674062
c@lbobMemberI know that most of the righties who show up here, or elsewhere, don’t give a rat’s @$$, but about 20,000 people die every year because they can’t afford the health care they need.
http://www.iom.edu/Object.File/Master/4/160/Uninsured2FINAL.pdf
That doesn’t include people who die because some insurance company bureaucrat denies coverage for transplants, cancer surgery, heart bypass, and a host of other expensive treatments.
Do you want to die for some insurance company executive’s bonus?
August 8, 2009 at 7:18 pm #674063
JoBParticipantcatlbob..
they care when they find themselves unemployed and sick and suddenly find the health insurance options they counted on to protect their assets aren’t available to them…
the trouble is they don’t see any parallels between their situation and those who are currently uninsured.
August 8, 2009 at 7:25 pm #674064
RubyRed1Memberbluebird: You neglect to provide any kind of proof and continue to make statements that you consider “factual”.
So, the people BEHIND everyone else are being paid? Again, please provide your proof of this accusation. What organization is responsible for coordinating this movement?
Thanks
August 8, 2009 at 7:29 pm #674065
c@lbobMemberAugust 8, 2009 at 7:29 pm #674066
RubyRed1Membercatlbob: That statement is very broad, not to mention, inaccurate. That statement borders on offensive.
I voted for Obama, but I would never consider Republicans as not caring that people die. I wonder what the Republicans here will have to say to your comment.
August 8, 2009 at 7:35 pm #674067
c@lbobMemberWell, you are just too much of a Pollyanna.
A very common attitude amongst Republicans is that the poor are adequately taken care of in emergency rooms. That is something that is not so, and it is very good evidence of an uncaring attitude that results in DEATH.
If they wish not to be tarred with the brush, they need only to stop putting themselves in its path.
August 8, 2009 at 7:36 pm #674068
RubyRed1Membercatlbob: Why would you believe me to be narrow minded because I am asking questions. Wouldn’t that actually be the complete opposite of “myopic”?
I am very interested in finding out the truth, I would need facts to find truth. I do not tend to rely simply on what I am told as truth.
August 8, 2009 at 7:41 pm #674069
bluebirdMemberRR1, the list is really long, that’s why I provided you the video link. Rachel Maddow goes through each organization by name and lists who owns/founded them, also by name. Their pictures are posted as well, along with their political/business interests. It’s really easy to follow along and obtain all the information you desire.
If you’d prefer to remain uninformed and offended by reality, I respect your choice but have no desire to argue with you.
August 8, 2009 at 7:43 pm #674070
RubyRed1Membercatlbob:I thought calling people names was not allowed on this forum.I am neither narrow minded or illogically optimistic.Suggesting such, based on my questions, illustrates intolerance on your part.In my opinion.You believe that Republicans don’t care about people and want people to die. I do not believe that.I do not agree with the majority of Republican ideas, but I have no reason to believe they want people to die.Thinking in that way, I believe, is unhealthy and unproductive.
August 8, 2009 at 7:51 pm #674071
c@lbobMemberRepublicans Sustain Bush’s S-CHIP Veto
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/01/23/republicans-sustain-bushs-s-chip-veto
August 8, 2009 at 7:52 pm #674072
c@lbobMemberI’m not going to do your research for you RR1. If only takes the opening of one’s eyes to see.
August 8, 2009 at 7:58 pm #674073
RubyRed1Memberbluebird: Thank you for providing the clip.I’ll be honest, I have a hard time watching Maddow for any length of time as she always comes across as very angry and bitter.Why would you consider my asking questions as an argument?Maybe this is the very problem that is occurring at these town hall meetings.Sometimes I notice that when questions are asked, it is considered an argument.That simply is not the case here.Obviously groups are formed to oppose the health care reform, just as a group was formed (by an average American, initially)to organize the tea parties that have been held.Are we upset that people are speaking out about the health care reform?If so, why?
August 8, 2009 at 8:02 pm #674074
RubyRed1MemberCatlbob:My eyes are open and always seeking information.Perhaps you should open your eyes, mind and heart.I am not ignorant, as you suggest.Wanting to understand every side is the responsible thing to do.Has Maddow read the entire health care bill?Have you?Maybe the ones who believe whatever they are told without any concern or desire to learn otherwise are the ones who need to open their eyes.
August 8, 2009 at 8:04 pm #674075
c@lbobMemberThere is no health care “bill”. There are five committees among the two houses and no single bill has been ironed out.
Please leave off with the GOP talking points.
August 8, 2009 at 8:06 pm #674076
c@lbobMemberThe town hall protests are an attempt to blot out all discussion to the pros and cons of these disperate approaches to health care.
The Republicans are terrified that a concensus will arise, so they sabotage the discussions.
August 8, 2009 at 8:07 pm #674077
c@lbobMemberWhen do nothing is your stance, making everyone fear any change is best.
August 8, 2009 at 8:11 pm #674078
c@lbobMemberThe saboteurs are really the insurance, medical supply and pharmaceutical industries, but the Republican Party, being owned by them (and others), are the toadies to attack. Writing out all the moneyed interests in favor of the status quo is hard on the carpals.
August 8, 2009 at 10:47 pm #674079
JoBParticipantRubyRed1..
You think Rachel Maddow is too angry and bitter?
I think Rachel Maddow is a lightweight.. she gets really close to the questions that need to be asked and then plays nice and lets them off the proverbial hook…
The republican talking heads are still talking to her.. she is far from angry and bitter.
if you wish to see what angry and bitter looks like, I would suggest watching or listening to Sarah Plain or Rush Limbaugh or any of the current crop of FOX talking heads…
And if you didn’t want to watch or listen to Rachel Maddow, you could read the part of the transcript which really is just a list of names.
She names names.
But, I can understand why you might choose not to be disillusioned if you believe that the current tea party movement is just a bunch of ordinary citizens…
because the facts in both cases just don’t support the populist notion being promoted by current republican leadership.
If you have difficulty believing any source from what you consider the left.. perhaps you would find information found on the right’s own websites credible…
lets start with the tea party movement…from one of their own sites…
http://912dc.org/agenda/leadership-institute-grassroots-workshops/
That list of sponsors on the left is a good place to look for who is funding this “spontaneous movement” of just plain folks…
then there is the leadership institute who runs those grassroots workshops
http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/
I am sure Rachel Maddow.. as a competent investigative journalist… could provide you a much better list of names .. names that can be found on their own websites if you dig far enough… But, I wasn’t willing to do that much work.
Less than half a dozen mouse clicks gave me the board of directors of the leadership institute… the people who run those workshops for the grassroots movement of ordinary folks who have been doing the tea party thing…
http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/AboutUS/?PageID=CAB
Who.. far from being ordinary citizens appear to be republican conservative members of the Senate and the House…
That didn’t take much time and was sourced entirely by materials provided by the right.
There are too many reasons to choose ignorance…
but very few excuses in this day and age when you can not only choose to read the information yourself…
but find corroboration or rebuttal for most claims on any number of impartial fact check sites.
A lie that is repeated many times is still a lie.
There was never a more appropriate application of “let the buyer beware” than politics.
It’s too bad that the same now applies to our nightly news.
August 8, 2009 at 11:11 pm #674080
charlabobParticipantRR1 and others, here’s the deal. For too long, progressives have been on the defensive. We get accused of wanting to kill Down(sic) children and of wanting to kill old people and we, patiently, explain that we don’t. We get called names that have no basis in reality or fact, and we explain, logically.
This war (and yes, it is a war) has no basis in reality. You can’t roller skate in a buffalo herd, and you can’t fight fire with a dictionary. So some of us have decided that we’ll just point out that Rep*s want people to die and see how it works. Because, in fact, they do. And because *Logic Has Not Worked* and this war is too important to leave to pyrrhic victory.
August 9, 2009 at 11:02 pm #674081
AJAXParticipantEven if Maddow did come across as “angry and bitter”, so what? I personally think she doesn’t come across that way enough. I respect her for daring to tell the truth and name names, and frankly, has every right to be angry and bitter, unlike the scum who lie all the time (think Limbaugh, Hannity, Malveaux, O’Reilly, etc)
August 10, 2009 at 4:15 pm #674082
JoBParticipantvideo clips about Health Care reform that you are unlikely to see on TV…
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/?e=10&ref=text
it’s a shame that we have to post this link on forums to get equal coverage.
August 10, 2009 at 5:19 pm #674083
WSMomParticipanthttp://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/1373035.html?storylink=pd
I love the irony. A man with no health insurance goes to a health care town hall meeting, was injured during fighting that erupted when audience members began yelling about health care reform, and now he’s asking for donations to cover his doctor’s bills.
“Brown told the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was laid off recently and has no health insurance.”
Karma is a bitch.
August 10, 2009 at 5:45 pm #674084
JoBParticipantAugust 10, 2009 at 7:14 pm #674085
maplesyrupParticipantLast night on some cable news station (CNN I think) there was a panel discussion on health care. The moderator reported that someone had been overheard at a protest yelling, “Get your government hands off my Medicare!”
But catlbob hit it on the head- there’s no final bill to speak of yet. Until there is, I’m going to withhold judgment.
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