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  • #873763

    captainDave
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    redblack: I would argue that all the things you mention would be indicative of managing the nation’s affairs to the best benefit of it’s citizenary-especially since citizen stake holders are an integral element of the country.

    mark47n: Sorry, I didn’t mean to step on your feet. I know how well studied people are around here about Karl Marx and the tenants of the comm-unist manifesto.

    Licensing is but one method by which the state owns production. License costs for nearly everything have substantially increased in the last decade. And lots of new licenses have been created for things that previously didn’t require licensing. In the three years I was involve with the Floating Farmers Market at South Lake Union, our license cost when up 700%. We have seen a 500% increase in mobile food business licensing. If I add up all the permits and fees for everything I do, it’s now a significant percentage of revenue. In many cases over the last decade it has been a frequent reason to cancel business development projects altogether because the government would essentially establish claim to more than 100% of the “means of production”. Now, consider the growing number of government-owned farmers markets, pea patches, community farms, etc. Isn’t that owning the means of production? When the government bailed out GM and the to-big-to-fail banks, wasn’t that owning part of the means for production?

    Now lets talk about “from each according to his abilities to each according to their needs”. Isn’t that precisely what our welfare system, obamacare, and Seattle’s new adventures in ramping up homeless services?

    #873775

    mark47n
    Participant

    So, are you saying that my having more than the most superficial knowledge of Marx means that I must be a Communist? Alas, I’m not you the truck driving, multi-decade marketing, technology and taco guru that you are, CD, but I do know how to read and to think critically. I also retain a lot of that knowledge knowing that it’s useless in the face of such condescending and paternalistic BS.

    Licensing is not akin to ownership.
    If the concept of “from each according to his abilities to each according to their needs” was actually in place in the US you would not see people earning multimillion $$$ salaries, you wouldn’t see doctors driving custom BMWs or the like. In actual Marxism/Communism the doctor has the same worth as the janitor who mops the floor but a higher demand is place on them to produce as their ability is higher. If they’re young and healthy their needs are lower so, even though they are required to put out the maximum they will get almost nothing for it. That janitor may have less to contribute but a family and a chronic illness. His needs are higher so, even though the janitor can contribute less, he will receive more. This concept has NEVER been in play in the US. In post Revolution Russia this was the idea, as misguided as it may be, but it’s virtually impossible in practice due to the fact that you still have to have a class with the power see to that distribution.

    See? The above is a complex concept and not digestible in small bites beyond what you already either cannot or refuse to understand. I recognize that I wasted my time typing it because you’ll twist it and the expository method of writing to mean that, since I’m knowledgeable, I must support it. As to the rest of your licensing/bailout twaddle (which came about under Bush) I’ll not discuss it any further.

    #873778

    JanS
    Participant

    Being a licensed Healthcare Practitioner, I have no sympathy for you.I buy my licenses every year. I also have to buy millions of dollars of insurance…to cover any injury caused by my treatment, falls on the premises, fire…etc. And I have to do costly Continuing Ed to keep my license. It’s all to protect the consumer. You have no problem with protecting the consumer…right?

    So should there also be no rules, regulations on the road, for driving a vehicle? No speed limits, etc? Or do you just want that freedom to do what you want only going to apply to you? How about waste treatment plants? Restaurants? Grocery store? Dentists? Garbage disposal? Cosmetic manufacturers? Where does this “less regulation/more freedom” draw a line? Do you want this “more freedom from regulations” to only apply to certain types of businesses? (like you?) Or should this apply across the board? You want to put limits on how much a city can charge for a license? That would be another rule…affects you positively, them a little negatively? Or should licenses for businesses be simply eliminated, to each his own, go do your thing. What about plumbers? Contracters who are building your house? The manufacturers of the products that house is being built with? Airplane manufacturers. Where will this freedom thing reach it’s limits…when poor workmanship in an airplane kills 300 people? The food you sell poisons and kills someone?

    It’s easy for you to complain about these things…but…when does the complaining stop, and you actually start working on fixing the things you think are broken? We all complain, every day, about things that affect us negatively. We write to the companies, the cities, the legislators. Some of us become advocates/activists, putting our money where our mouths are. What about you, Dave? Whats your plan, and what are the answers to above? Or, I’ll ask once more…are you just butthurt because the rules and regulations are affecting YOU, you don’t care about the rest? You are being very , very general when you complain/whine about your business suffering because of what you perceive as a lack of freedom. Time for you to get specific if you’re really, really serious about this…there are a lot of other businesses of many varieties out there(like the humble corner bakery)…which ones do you want to have the same freedoms of unregulation as you?

    I’ll wait…I know it’s a long list..

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 3 months ago by JanS.
    #873989

    williamf64
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    WoW… I leave town and you guys elevate your game to another level of Lunacy !
    I must start off by saying just how proud I am of you ( mr. redblack ) for whipping out your Intellectual Lightsaber in a sad attempt to minimize this title wave of Democrat party endorsed ” Peaceful ” car burning riots , Death threats and beatings by blaming a tiny , minuscule group of radicals from some galaxy far far away. I am positive that to other Liberals / Progressives that might be on that same imported hallucinogenic narcotic as ( JoB & the Very lovely Jan S. ) it sounds as if you have put forth a very convincing case that somehow these nauseatingly endless streams of violence , vulgarity and suppression that we are seeing in every aspect of American society today are not connected too.. and part of… the political platform of the mainstream left wing Democrats. Oh… OK… We believe you now ??
    Your passionate defense of these whiny rioting Liberal anti-free speech thugs is only convincing to those that aren’t necessarily sober or maybe those that are lucky enough to live in that same warm & fuzzy Utopian Liberal Hugo Chavezian wonderland of Unicorns and free college that you float off to every night after a good car fire.
    I would just like to point out that Mr redcrack is whipping out The ” Old Faithful ” of the Liberal arsenal and which just happens to be my favorite Progressive tool of hypnotism. The… ” Don’t believe your Lying eyes ” technique which many Luke Skywalker fans recognize as the ” These aren’t the Liberal’s your looking for… ”
    He is trying his very best to convince everyone and maybe himself a little bit that the violent rioting we are seeing EVERY SINGLE DAY on TV at these Peaceful Democrat Riots is just a tiny group of well organized and choreographed ” Agitators ” that happen to make it to Every Single Peaceful Democrat Riot all over the U.S. which I find Amazing..?? These guys get around !!
    Since the Democratic Party is suddenly the ” Party of Science ” I am curious how Mr. redsmack can explain how this tiny group of Peaceful Rioters can be in 100 places at the same time ? and also how they are able to change their appearance , numbers, weapons , masks beating techniques, ..etc. to fit each situation ? Now That is some serious Science ?
    Basically, What is obvious to anyone with half a brain is that this Peaceful Rioting by the Left is actually become the main stream and it became even MORE obvious to everyone after that Anti-Trump Riot masquerading as a ” Peaceful ” Women’s march where the always elegant Liberal hero Madonna revealed to everyone that she ” has thought many times about blowing up the White House ” . The too numerous to count Death Threat signs & chants and of course the ceremonial burning of the Limousine and that we found out later was owned by a Muslim man. Oop’s.. maybe another ISIS recruiting tool moment ?
    I am just wondering why that Tiny group of ” Agitators ” never seemed to make an appearance at any of the Multitudes of Conservative Riots that happened daily when OBama was Lying his way around the White House ? They never seemed to quite make it ? Of course the Conservatives never quite made it to the Conservative Riots either because THERE WEREN’T ANY ! It was a nice try though.
    Oh and yes Mr. redquack I would be flattered to receive your very skillfully Installed ” Ridicule & Scorn ” whenever I easily compare the Lunatic Liberal Left’s Ideology to Venezuela or Greece or the Soviet Union. The reason it won’t be hard to lump these sick ideologies together into one big fluffy basket is because all i would have to do is to share the Multitude of links where the Wacky Left Nutt’s themselves praise and share their desires to Impose these systems of poverty and oppression upon the people of the U.S.

    ” The goal of Socialism is Communism ” Vladamir Lenin ( Moscow, USSR ) aka.. Bernie’s Honeymoon Hotspot !

    #873995

    miws
    Participant
    #874046

    waynster
    Participant

    I see your fishing for trump trolls mike any luck…..lmfao….

    also
    http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2017/02/13

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 3 months ago by waynster.
    #874074

    dhg
    Participant

    W64’s views are so far from reality I have to think he eats, sleeps and breathes with Fox news tuned in directly to the brain. Fox, the network that went to the Supreme Court fighting for the their right to lie to you. (They won)

    It reminded me of the BIG LIE that was told by the right wing after the crash of 2007: It was caused by the liberal regulations that required banks to loan money to poor people. And those greedy poor people borrowed all that money and crashed the system. This propaganda was sent out everywhere. But there was no such regulation and bankers were not holding their noses while giving loans. They were active participants because Wall Street would buy their paper. They had to only produce a mortgage, a good one or not, and Wall Street bundled it with others and called is an asset-backed security. That is what crashed the system. It wasn’t mean ol’ regulations, it was the LACK of regulations.

    So, if not russet potatoes, then what? PCC had small potatoes called Amoroso that baked into the most delicious, fluffy on the inside, crispy skin on the outside, that I’d ever had.

    #874081

    captainDave
    Participant

    dhg: I don’t understand the context of your point. williamf64 is talking about rioting, not banking.

    Just this morning, Knute Berger an activist writer for Crosscut, suggested that Antifa visit the downtown Nordstrom rack store. Does it not concern you that the media is encouraging destruction in your community? What if it is your place of work or play that is targeted next? Will you be ok with the violence then?

    #874082

    mark47n
    Participant

    I generally prefer to use Yukon Golds for most of my potato dishes but Reds are great, too. If you want baked potatoes, though, nothing beats a Russet or a yam, not necessarily a potato but still pretty awesome. I prefer sweet potatoes in pie and as fries. they’re not my favorite baked.

    #874083

    mark47n
    Participant

    Willy, do you stand on a street corner screaming this incoherent blather? You should and make sure you’re wearing a sandwich board. You’ll be so adorable!

    #874091

    captainDave
    Participant

    mark47n: The way things are going for your party, yelling on street corners with protest sandwich boards might be the only thing left for you guys. Seems that there are a lot more people than you thought who are getting rather tired of the nonsensical blather on the left.

    #874092

    miws
    Participant
    #874098

    mark47n
    Participant

    Based on…what, precisely? your blogs? Your news? The elections that so many are experiencing buyers remorse over, which extends to more than the presidency? Polls that are practice by actual polling agencies rather than “think tanks and the like? There’s plenty of nonsensical blather on the right, Dave, in case you’re not paying attention. I, however, will take the nonsense over the authoritarian messages coming out of the WH.

    Perhaps you should just eat some potatoes.

    #874111

    redblack
    Participant

    yee-haw! we got us a live one!

    william: the day you can rub two functioning neurons together and create friction is the same day that i’ll engage you in discourse.

    carry on, soldier.

    look quick! there’s a commie right behind that squirrel…

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 3 months ago by redblack.
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    #874118

    captainDave
    Participant

    mark47n: It’s just basic logic. The hippies of the 60’s rallied against the establishment–only to become the establishment. Your party cannot be the establishment and the counter culture at the same time. The tide has turned.

    Is your reference to potatoes a subliminal statement about how social engineering caused the potato famine? If so, you should read: “Mises; What Caused the Irish Potato Famine?” for some interesting “alt” history.

    #874145

    JanS
    Participant

    hahahahahahaha…no, it wasn’t in reference to the potato famine… guess you had to be there…

    #874146

    JanS
    Participant

    and then there’s Gen. Flynn , who “inadvertantly” didn’t mention his illegal phone calls with the Russian guy.. gone at three weeks…

    and how about that stuffed shirt, pompous ass named Stephen Miller…http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-what-stephen-miller-said-should-worry-everyone-875968067895

    #874157

    redblack
    Participant

    knute berger on crosscut:

    “I think that Seattle’s most radical elements should patronize the Rack (speaking of medieval names). Imagine if Antifa activists showed up at demonstration dressed like Young Republicans? Ah, the chaos.”

    http://crosscut.com/2017/02/under-trump-seattle-and-its-businesses-come-together/

    1. knute berger isn’t advocating violence.

    2. having an opinion column now qualifies one as an activist?

    3. antifa means anti-fascist. it’s generally seen as a counterweight to white supremacists and neo-nazis.

    he was trying to be funny by saying that protesters should patronize nordstrom and improve their wardrobes.

    nice try, dave.

    fail.

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    #874166

    miws
    Participant

    Thanks, redblack, for posting that and for the points you make as well.

    I looked up and visited the article on Crosscut yesterday and came pretty much to the same conclusion as you. I almost posted it, but not having the best day at the time, didn’t think I could make the points as eloquently as you ended up doing.

    Mike

    #874167

    mark47n
    Participant

    Dave, your basic logic makes a Turk’s Head and Monkey’s Fist look like a straight piece of rope.

    For example, looking for a deep and utterly disconnected idea as to why I continue to discuss potatoes. With the way things are going I refer to to Thomas’ Swift’s A Modest Proposal. I mean if we’re going to wander off into the weeds let’s really get to it!

    Your reference to the hippies of the 1960’s is not even a little related to the modern mainstream Democratic party or its outliers. I don’t know why you continue to insist that it is other than in those outliers there are antiestablishment aspects. That is no different that the rights antiestablishment components and the super-establishment types, one of which ranted on MSNBC (I know, it’s a part of the great media conspiracy against the Republicans and it’s constantly reporting of facts during NEWS is causing irreparable harm to us!) about Cheeto, not a potato product, having all of the power to do with as he wanted and that we cannot question him and that the stay on the immigration EO is a political stunt (by Bush appointees) rant, rant, rant…I have a monkey on my head, isn’t it pretty?!

    Dave, the day you come up with a rational argument will be the day that I like chocolate…that will be never.

    The best thing about a potato cannon is that I can fire anything out of it if I have some wadding. In this case I fire a load of hot, steaming, fragrant roasted garlic at you.

    #874172

    captainDave
    Participant

    redblack: antifa is widely known as a group of violent activists. All of the protests that antifa participates in become violent riots where property damage and injuries occur. antifa IS the fas-cist brownshirts of the global soci-alist movement.

    If I broadcasted a “funny suggestion” to have antifa visit your home because you were having a capi-talist tea party–then a bunch of black-clad hoodlums smashed out your front windows and lit your car on fire. Would you still be laughing at my joke?

    What if Rush Limbaugh or some other conservative talking head suggested blowing out the windows of local welfare offices? Do you think that is just funny harmless satire? Of course not. He would be arrested for inciting violence.

    It is totally irresponsible for anyone in media to be suggesting, inferring or alluding to violence as a solution to social discourse. But you are ok with it because people on the right have been dehumanized to the degree that violence is permissible because they are all just evil na-zis, right?

    mark47n: “Dave, the day you come up with a rational argument will be the day that I like chocolate…that will be never.”

    This statement indicates that you are married to your political ideology more than you accept evidence and reason. Why do you trust MSNBC so much when they are controled by the very people you hate? Anyway, I don’t really care to know at this point. Have a nice time in your little bubble.

    #874182

    williamf64
    Participant

    CaptainDave.. I am Appalled ! Did you Not read the ( WS Blog ) rules about using the ” L ” word ?
    I mean come on.. Logic ? Are you trying to get Jan S. & redsmack to fall off of their Hugo Chavez sponsored Unicorn’s ? Think of how long they will have to cuddle up in their Safe Spaces after your attack ? Have a bit of compassion for the Logically challenged.
    Wait a minute.. I think I just identified another Victimized Group of American’s. The ” Logically Challenged “. the only problem is who can we blame for this oppression ? After that embarrassing press conference the other day I think Maxine Waters might be a good starting point ?

    As far as the WS Blog Potato Gang. They are very careful not to get trapped into a discussion where they might be confronted by that nasty word ” Logic ” because often times in a Logical discussion the nastiest of all Liberal words gets used.. The ” T ” word. aka…The Truth ! OMG ! Then its over.
    Anytime a group is violently opposed to something as Dangerous and Threatening as ” Idea’s & Opinions ” you know you have won the argument.

    He who now talks about the “freedom of the press” goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.
    — Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

    #874191

    mark47n
    Participant

    Willy, you argue like a jr. HS debate student and throwing around quotes is a dangerous game, especially when those quotes are taken out of context. Generally I prefer to use data to support my arguments and opinions supplemented by my personal experience. My knee jerk reactions are usually pitched in the garbage because they are often the wrong thing to do/say. Clearly this is not a sentiment that you adhere to.

    Good day.

    #874199

    melissa
    Participant

    Have you tried potatoes par-boiled, shaken up to in a pot to rough the edges, and then tossed in duck fat and roasted at 425 degrees? They Develop a Lovely Golden Brown Crust. They’re so very, very delicious. And they’re even Better when you Randomly Capitalize the Letters. It Enhances the Taste.

    #874200

    mark47n
    Participant

    I never though of random capitalization, it cuts across the grain so! Perhaps Ill give it a Try….nope. Didn’t like that. I’ll try the ‘taters, though. Perhaps lightly seasoned with convoluted illogic.

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