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October 23, 2013 at 11:55 pm #609472
ceceriderMemberIs this just way to contentious and provacative to ask for rational ( not emotional) input to help me decide who to vote for mahyor. I just can’t seem to find much difference between the 2. (I fear the internet just begs for smash and grab abusiveness because we have been brainwashed to think that politics requires ad hominim attacks–that is the way the mainstream media keeps up audience share by emphasizing drama and personalities — kind of like high school (the intellectual age of its target audience). ANyway, I was heartened and given courage to try this inquiry when I saw that WSB will not allow personal attacks anymore.
October 24, 2013 at 12:31 am #799081
JanSParticipantWSB has neveer allowed personal attacks.Did they still happen? Yes…but those posts were removed quickly. This is the most civil forum I’ve seen in a long time.Really. Now, do disagreements sometimes get contentious? Of course. People are just not going to sit back and not state what they believe because it may upset someone. We like good , Honest discussions. But it’s always been…comment re: the post topic, not the poster. Hope you find the answers you need :)
October 24, 2013 at 1:19 am #799082
CandrewB1ParticipantI don’t really see much difference between the two. The only real difference I see is the council and legislature dislikes McGinn greatly, whether that is good or bad, who knows? I just know that after four years, what I dislike is greater than what I like so no vote for McGinn; derelicts being my biggest gripe. And yes, I will say this again in 2017.
October 24, 2013 at 2:33 am #799083
EdSaneParticipantafter watching the debates (which can be found online), I went with McGinn. Both candidates are pretty much mirror images on actual issues (sidenote: I was an initial Tim Burgess supporter but that didn’t pan out). Personally, it seemed like Murray was too political, whether it was the DOJ issue or DV. I just didn’t feel any honesty or real emotion come across during the debates. That’s what persuaded me.
October 24, 2013 at 3:20 am #799084
elikapekaParticipantI think it comes down to the style you prefer rather than the issues, because they pretty much agree on everything when it comes down to it. McGinn is more confrontational and doesn’t have good relationships with the Seattle City Council or state officials. Murray is more conciliatory and puts more emphasis on consensus. I haven’t made up my mind yet. Both approaches have their strengths and weaknesses.
Crosscut has a guide that has lots of links to check out – http://crosscut.com/2013/10/22/politics-government/116960/2013-election-guide/
October 24, 2013 at 6:41 am #799085
trickycooljParticipantMcGinn’s lawyer background has always made me feel like he needs to instigate conflict for conflicts sake. I also did not like how he flip-flopped his stance on the Tunnel in the previous election hastily saying he supported it to get the vote and then turned around and fought against it. Regardless what side of the tunnel debate you happen to be on, it still felt like a slight of hand. I know it won votes from several of my friends when he reluctantly said he wouldn’t stand in the way of the tunnel project. It has also bothered me a bit that Cascade Bicycle Club has been acting as McGinn’s PAC. Ever since I rode in the STP this summer, I’ve been getting non-stop emails and Facebook posts from CBC about voting for McGinn. It’s made me not want to join CBC next year, which I had planned to join for my next jaunt in the STP.
So anyway, just my concerns with the current mayor. I feel we need someone who knows how to collaborate with government stakeholders rather than ruffle their feathers to start getting things done around here. (Probably wishful thinking…)
October 24, 2013 at 2:52 pm #799086
JoBParticipanti feel we need someone who understands what the issues are and who the major players are.
we seem to continually jetison mayors just about the time their learning curve kicks in…
not the most efficient way to get anything done.
October 24, 2013 at 3:16 pm #799087
wakefloodParticipantI too, am on the fence.
Normally, I like a little creative disagreement between decision makers. Some level of open-mindedness and the ability to come at solutions from different angles and may the best idea win.
It is also likely that given the Council’s current and possible future makeup, that EITHER candidate will have issues finding consensus. Hell, the Council may end up at loggerheads, in which case the mayor tends to break the log jam.
Additionally, I’m fairly certain that Murray is more aligned with the Downtown Assoc. (aka the Kate Joncas mafia), which isn’t necessarily my cup of tea on all issues. But maybe I’m not convinced of his affiliation to them.
All this would suggest that I’m leaning toward McGinn, and I am. But certainly not to the point where I couldn’t find a reason to switch.
I’ll be watching this space for any good insights.
October 24, 2013 at 3:32 pm #799088
JoBParticipantMurray’s Washington Senate Voting Record
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/3249/edward-murray#.Umk9AfmURZn
October 24, 2013 at 3:53 pm #799089
annaeileenParticipantI initially voted for Steinbrueck but for this election I voted McGuinn.
Both Murray and McGuinn have done things I am not happy with. I talked with McGuinn at Delridge Days and brought up the tunnel and he said he did what the people wanted. I didn’t mention what was on the ballot wasn’t what I wanted because at this point, we are moving forward with the tunnel. But I agree Tricky, he waffled on that and it didn’t make me happy. I am not a bicyclist and probably never will be (not my cup of tea) but bikes are way better on the roads than cars.
But what I have seen from Murray concerns me more. His backers are running what appears to be false ads regarding McGuinn (saying he eliminated the city’s office of domestic violence when he didn’t). When the head of the Democratic Party fundraising committee was recently arrested for embezzling, Murray seems to be distancing himself from it but he was co-chair and should have had move oversight. I see this as a weak leader.
October 24, 2013 at 6:00 pm #799090
anonymeParticipantI voted for Steinbrueck, and I’m not really happy with the leftovers. Not much difference between the two, as far as I can tell.
However, I do agree with annaeileen and others who question Murray’s honesty. One issue that stuck out for me was Murray’s stance on the $15 per hour minimum wage increase. He stated that he fully supported it “someday”. What a ridiculous statement, the epitome of political BS non-commitment. I also agree with JoB that we tend to get rid of mayors just as they begin to hit their stride. And I like the fact that McGinn doesn’t get along with the City Council; I’d like to jettison the lot of them, frankly.
I guess this means I’m leaning toward McGinn.
October 24, 2013 at 10:18 pm #799091
JoBParticipantTim Harris said it better than i could
October 24, 2013 at 11:55 pm #799092
kgdlgParticipantMore of a commentary than an opinion…most of the responses above are either neutral or McGinn, which is interesting given all the polls reporting a wide lead by Murray.
October 25, 2013 at 12:25 am #799093
seaopgalParticipantI marked my ballot, but then thought I would wait a bit just because of this question. I have always supported Murray and will probably stick with him because one of my key issues is the environment and I think he will be a stronger regional (and state/national/global) advocate than McGinn. But I would have preferred it if he had stayed in the legislature, and I will not be unhappy if McGinn wins.
October 25, 2013 at 10:23 pm #799094
ceceriderMemberThanks all! Very helpful discussion. Not one “your opinion is garbage” comment!
October 25, 2013 at 10:26 pm #799095
ceceriderMember(WSB has neveer allowed personal attacks.it’s always been…comment re: the post topic, not the poster.)
Question: When someone writes “that’s garbage” as a response to an opinion is that a personal attack?
October 25, 2013 at 11:49 pm #799096
JoBParticipantcecerider..
it’s certainly rude…
though it’s probably not against the rules since they are speaking to what was said and not making character assessments of the person who said it..
October 26, 2013 at 12:47 am #799097
JanSParticipant“I disagree” would be much better than “that’s garbage”, although it is referring to what was said, not who said it…
October 26, 2013 at 3:47 pm #799098
JoBParticipantseaopgal
just curious..
what evidence do you have that Murray will be better for our environment?
October 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm #799099
seaopgalParticipantJoB: Murray is endorsed by Washington Conservation Voters, a group I respect and trust, and he has an excellent voting and leadership record on environmental issues. He and McGinn have similar stands on climate change/fossil fuels/coal trains, but I think Murray has made protecting Puget Sound and our marine environment a higher priority, which is a tipping point for me. McGinn is endorsed by Sierra Club and is certainly not an environmental disaster … so for me, it’s primarily a matter of believing that Murray will be better at engaging and leading locally/regionally/statewide to address these big-picture issues.
October 31, 2013 at 11:23 pm #799100
annaeileenParticipantHere is another good reason to vote for McGuinn – he is NOT supported by Comcast (Murray is) because he is working for better high-speed Internet access. Murray hasn’t given high-speed internet access growth much thought:
October 31, 2013 at 11:45 pm #799101
maplesyrupParticipantHa, I just opened this thread to post that link annaeileen.
I’m not saying what’s there is right or wrong, but it’s certainly something to think about.
October 31, 2013 at 11:57 pm #799102
wakefloodParticipantThis gets back to the “who does the corporate mafia support?” question that I’ve been pondering.
Comcast is evil on many levels.
Thanks for this info. This weighs heavy in the balance…
November 1, 2013 at 12:18 am #799103
annaeileenParticipantSadly elections are about PACs and special interests and McGuinn is not my favorite candidate but I like him better than Murray. Murray to me isn’t a good leader and doesn’t claim responsibility for his actions. Here is another news piece where he can’t either say he was wrong or stand up for what he voted for and he received money from the rental car companies:
What has impressed me about McGuinn is he can say he is wrong and he is continuing to do a better job with what he has learned. He waffled at first but seems to be hitting his stride.
I pay my parking tickets in state and out of state in rental cars, everyone should be responsible to do that!
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