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November 5, 2011 at 7:33 am #739662
JanSParticipantname it ! Yes, we want names…not just “yes”…that’s not an answer :)
November 5, 2011 at 7:52 am #739663
kootchmanMemberYou wish they had nothing in common. It would sorta cloud up the fervor of the confiscators. It was a country who overextended itself, by promising too much, to be paid for by too few, and borrowed beyond its means to pay. That is exactly the trajectory we are on.
Denis Strigl – Verizon
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“If the president and the administration were really serious about creating jobs in this country, they would listen to what people have been telling them over, and over, and over again. Cut corporate taxes, eliminate the regulatory morass that we have in this country, and by the way, repeal Obamacare. How many times do people have to say?””
Jan?
It seems Starbucks is regretting the health care Frankenstein it helped create. The company was a key corporate backer of Obamacare in its legislative stages, but its top executive has raised concerns about the law’s economic damage.
Howard Schultz, the coffee company’s CEO, recently told the Seattle Times that “the pressure on small businesses, because of the mandate, is too great” in the Obamacare law as currently written
Jan?
Here is what you have to look forward to.
The director of the new agency created to oversee the government takeover of the nation’s healthcare system was the Chairman and Executive Officer of a Maryland company that cheated taxpayers out of more than $74 million in Medicaid overpayments.
When Larsen ran Amerigroup Maryland, the company was embroiled in a huge corruption scandal for billing Uncle Sam for medical services that about 90,000 low-income residents never received in the District of Columbia. Amerigroup was one of three healthcare contractors involved in the $100 million scheme, which was exposed in 2007 by D.C.’s Office of the Inspector General. “
November 5, 2011 at 7:58 am #739664
kootchmanMemberStimulus 1 was abject crony capitalism..nothing but organized labor got any money, .Fannie and Freddie are paying millions in bonuses and were “left out” of Dodd/Frank (imagine, no reform for the largest mortgage lender) DOE is awash in crony scandals from Solyndra and so far 23 other named suspicious loans, and you want to put healthcare and the vast trillions in the hands of the government and politicians? Where do you get this blind faith? It’s like hiring level 3 child sex offenders to run day care and head start.
November 5, 2011 at 8:17 am #739665
kootchmanMember“The law clearly is discouraging businesses from hiring. According to a recent U.S. Chamber of Commerce survey, 39 percent of small business owners say the law is either their greatest or second-greatest obstacle to new hiring”
Jan?
Or from A CEO Clint Greenleaf… read it yourself. Now go ahead and discount all the information.
“So why aren’t we hiring?
It’s simple: uncertainty. I wrote about this concern earlier in the year, and not much has changed. We’re still waiting to learn what recent legislation will mean for us. And I’m not just talking about the Financial Regulation passed in July. When politicians told us we had to pass the Health Care bill to find out what was in it, business owners suspended their plans to hire. The risks are too great.”
http://www.inc.com/by-the-book/why-im-not-hiring.html
God help you if you are a small business that wants to grow… if you have over 50 employees… Obamacare gets scary. Here’s how you expand benefits… a robust, healthy economy, with a tight labor supply…
November 5, 2011 at 12:14 pm #739666
JanSParticipanta robust, healthy economy…I don’t see that happening any time soon…right now there are too many promises, too many Catch 22’s, and not enough action.
Frankly, healthcare under our current insurance system is terrible…it’s not “health care”, it’s “disease care”. It’s a double edged sword fr me. I get a lot of my income by billing health insurance, but I see the the other side, too…the incessant paperwork, denials when they shouldn’t be, inept handling of claims, left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. Dealing with insurances is a crap shoot at times. They aren’t exactly efficient, either. And they really only care about their bottom line a good portion of the time.
November 5, 2011 at 12:43 pm #739667
JanSParticipant“If the president and the administration were really serious about creating jobs in this country, they would listen to what people have been telling them over, and over, and over again. Cut corporate taxes, eliminate the regulatory morass that we have in this country, and by the way, repeal Obamacare. How many times do people have to say?””
Kootch…people aren’t saying that…Repubs and big business are saying that…there’s a difference.
Schultz? has he not hired because of Obamacare? NO.. he just stated a belief. Talk is one thing…doing it, and proving that it’s been done is another.
Amerigroup is involved with Medicaid and Medicare in many states. Steve Larsen was Maryland Insurance commissioner until 2003, and then worked for Amerigroup..he was a VP. Search as I may, I find nothing to directly implicate him in any insurance fraud that Amerigroup may have been involved in. Yes, I do believe that big business insurances will defraud for their bottom line. And they get away with it. Another reason why I’m not crazy about big business insurances running the show.
None of this has proven that anyone has not hired directly because of Obamacare…they just talk about it, and try to scare people, in my opinion becuase they still want the big business insurances to flourish. Is Obamacare perfect? Not in the least. But the rest is pure speculation…again…just an opinion.
November 5, 2011 at 2:47 pm #739668
SmittyParticipantNovember 5, 2011 at 3:40 pm #739669
redblackParticipantlol. i read the CEO of pacific research institute’s opinion piece in forbes, smitty. pure speculation and fear-mongering.
except for the white castle thing.
what you guys are ignoring is that the law is intended to punish businesses if they don’t provide access to health care for their employees. it’s no accident; it’s supposed to hurt. 45 million uninsured poor people, and corporate profits are still soaring. the government is telling wal-mart, the nation’s second-largest employer, “you will no longer dump your employees’ health care costs onto medicaid.” it gets people into doctor’s offices – possibly for the first time ever – by mandating that a whole slew of preventative screenings are fully covered by the insurance industry.
and on and on.
oh, crap. i totally apologize. i forgot that our government is only supposed to do what’s good for business – no matter how harmful it is to the population at large – because only business knows how to govern, and business always does what’s right.
November 5, 2011 at 4:16 pm #739670
SmittyParticipant“what you guys are ignoring is that the law is intended to punish businesses if they don’t provide access to health care for their employees. it’s no accident; it’s supposed to hurt. 45 million uninsured poor people, and corporate profits are still soaring.”
So we agree?
November 5, 2011 at 4:45 pm #739671
redblackParticipantsure thing, smitty.
the health care delivery “system” we have in this country is a free market one, right? and most employers have agreed to provide access to health care for their employees, right?
so what do we do about the ones that don’t, and whose employees make so little in wages that they can’t afford insurance on the open market?
what’s your solution to making sure that the least among us don’t become incubators for disease, simply because, “well, health care isn’t a right – it’s a privilege?”
ACA obviously isn’t perfect, but the moneyed powers that be won’t even allow the federal or state governments to compete in the market place through a public option – let alone provide access through a universal or single-payer model. (and remember that the single payer doesn’t necessarily have to be a government. it could be a non-profit corporation or a public-private partnership.)
but ACA is a start – albeit a rocky one – and it’s an extremely overdue acknowledgment that the u.s. has fallen behind the rest of the first world when it comes to protecting our poorer citizens from dying of preventable disease. it’s also acknowledgment that our health insurance “system” is mostly employer-driven, and that what’s available on the free market for those that don’t have employer-provided insurance is substandard or overpriced.
in other words, ACA is an admission that the free market has once again failed to deliver something basic, and turned it into a profit-making machine to the tune of 1/6 of the largest GDP on the planet.
November 5, 2011 at 6:53 pm #739672
SmittyParticipant“what’s your solution to making sure that the least among us don’t become incubators for disease”
Getting 16 million people a job would be a good start.
November 5, 2011 at 6:59 pm #739673
JanSParticipantand how do you propose doing that? It ain’t happening now…
oh, and there are many more than 16 million without health insurance..I was one…and I had to get cancer in order to finally get some…and I get to keep it now because I need a kidney. Lucky me. As a healthcare provider, one of the things I see wrong with our healthcare system is that it treats things after they happen. We need more preventative care. But big business insurances won’t pay for that..
November 6, 2011 at 2:37 am #739674
JoBParticipantkootch…
“It was a country who overextended itself, by promising too much, to be paid for by too few, and borrowed beyond its means to pay.”
we agree on this…
but i think we disagree on who it was we promised too much….
i think we promised big business too much …
you think America should give more to big business
and default it’s people:(
November 6, 2011 at 3:47 pm #739675
redblackParticipantGetting 16 million people a job would be a good start.
agreed. with good wages and benefits.
then the employers will be in compliance with ACA and face no penalties.
see how easy that is?
November 6, 2011 at 6:07 pm #739676
dawsonctParticipantI don’t know what having a job has to do with being healthy, I usually get sick from someone at work.
Speaking of which, the restaurant industry is one of those that has for too long been avoiding their obligations to their workers. (SOCIALIZING their expenses). Couple that with the low pay, and you get restaurant workers who can’t AFFORD to take sick days, so they bring their sick to work with them, give it to their fellow workers (who will ALSO continue working when THEY get sick), who will then pass it to you. This is one of the consequences of a “you’re on your own, sucker!” society.
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BTW, a significant portion of the unemployment numbers can be attributed to unemployed government workers in states with Republican governors, who all roundly criticized the stimulus spending, took the money anyway, usually posing with a giant check at some point, used it to pay down their state’s debt, instead of the infrastructure projects the Federal money was SUPPOSED to have been used for, and then they laid off a bunch of state employees.
I guess if you’ve already been in line at the DMV for two hours, what’s another two?
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30+ years of proof the “Supply-side” doesn’t work. You can’t give enough tax breaks to a wealthy person to force them to create a job where there is no demand for the labor.
The wealthy and corporations are a greater burden on our government than anyone in the middle-class and the poor. And the return on Federal dollars, the economic effect per dollar spent, to the wealthy is demonstrably, proveably miniscule. They use our court system much more often than the average American citizen, they use our roads and rails more heavily, they pressure municipalities to improve transit and other ares of infrastructure as a means to improve their efficiency.
Does our Nation bennefit from their presence? Yes, to a point, though the efficiency of scale often costs us jobs and small businesses and community connection.
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Big corporations don’t really like President Obama’s health INSURANCE reform, because they collude with the insurance companies to sell packages to their employees, for which they get a HUGE kickback.
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I’m amused by the unremitting drumbeat from the farright about the so-called “one-World government,” which I have never seen evidence of, yet they seem to think vast trans-national corporate conglomerates over which they have absolutely ZERO influence, are just fine and dandy, and should NEVER have ANY of their practices questioned by us mere people, because it just may cut a few .0001% from their bottom line. All hail the all powerful, unassailable, and apparently ungovernable corporate, that seems to really be the ONLY thought on the minds of those wayTF out their on their farright fringe.
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