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November 13, 2012 at 10:01 am #777213
JanSParticipantGeez, Kman…what the fu*k? David Koresh? You’re a bit dingy yourself tonight. What a damned insult. No, I don’t believe that Obama walks on water. I also don’t believe there was some grand conspiracy in the Petraeus affair. It was about sex, and started by the woman when she sent dingy emails to another woman. Now, there’s something…I bet he realizes now that what is said between the sheets is not totally private. He had bad judgement, and proved that he is human, not a god, no matter what he did on the battlefield. We are all just human. Obama did not appoint Petraeus to anything – they didn’t even like one another much…the man was in the military climbing up for longer than Obama has been in politics. So, get over yourself and trying to make this something it isn’t.
November 13, 2012 at 10:35 am #777214
RagsParticipantJust curious, Jan, how do you know that Obama and Patraeus “didn’t like one another much? I haven’t seen that in the news stories that I’ve read so wondering if I’ve missed something. I was under the impression that Obama thought very highly of him.
November 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm #777215
c@lbobMember“The CIA has not had detention authority since January 2009… Any suggestion that the Agency is still in the detention business is uninformed and baseless,” CIA spokesman Preston Golson told CBS News.
So, if she got it from Petraeus, he was treating her as a double agent, real spycraft afoot!
But, keep going Kootch, you may make this story more entertaining than facts would suggest. Your fiction livens it up. Tell us about how the FBI is covering up this scandal. Broadwell just gave that speech last month, did the Bureau not investigate her statement? Inquiring minds want to know!
November 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm #777216
JoBParticipantin the alternative world of faux news..
anything is possible
i get i love conservative women facebook posts now…
this looney tunes thing isn’t specific to kootch :(
November 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm #777217
kootchmanMemberGuess ya didn’t watch the U of Co speech…eh c@bob….? And because there is a law… that means it can’t happen? This is an administration that has obfuscated, lied, in the face of glaring contrary information. Personally, I believe this administration is responsible for the death of 4 Americans to give the illusion our foray into Libya isn’t what it is. This is Eric Holder… Puleeeze… Fast n’ Furious himself. She has been under investigation since August, something the intelligence committee of the Senate is mightily pissed about. We created a new terrorism safe haven and are reaping the fruits. Inquirng minds? From the left? Precious thought. You still sticking with it was a video that caused this? You are in good company.. half the administration rolled that one out… until the intelligence community said we don’t get thrown under the bus…. we send Senators and Congressman cables, timelines, correspondence, and live video feed copies. I can’t wait for the confirmation hearings for Susan Rice… we will either find out what a patsy she is… or who gave her the talking points. Some men and women, exceptional ones, are not held to the pedestrian standards, of plumbers, civil servants, farmers, mechanics, stock brokers.. et al… disappointment they fell short. But, you don’t move the standards because some can’t live up to them.
November 13, 2012 at 6:22 pm #777218
SpodieMemberDo you also believe that “9/11 was an inside job”?
Do you think Al Gore sent Sandy to New York so that we could get actual footage of his submerged New York Inconvenient Truth computer models?
New World Order?
Just curious what level of Conspiracy Theorist we’re dealing with.
Your first round of Fox News jibberish has been exposed as BS, so now it’s time to double down.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/02/world/la-fg-benghazi-attack-20121103
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/02/world/la-fg-libya-cia-20121102
November 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm #777219
DBPMemberSpodie, just to set the record straight, “9/11 was an inside job” is a left-wing conspiracy theory, so it’s not likely that the kootchman would subscribe to that.
And again, for the record, it’s important to understand that conspiracy theories and other non-sensical beliefs crop up in equal numbers on both sides of the political spectrum.
Examples:
Jews control the media (right)
Patriarchy explains everything (left)
GW Bush is going to invade Iran & cancel elections (left)
Y2K is the End (right)
Big Bad Gay Agenda (right)
Big Bad Fox News Agenda (left)
And so on.
I could probably fill up a page just using material from right here on the Blog. If anything, there are more examples of leftist theories on WSB, but that’s just because there are more leftists here.
Here’s a good analysis for any insomniacs who might want to probe a little deeper into the whole conspiracy-theory theory thing:
http://clichesofpolitics.com/paranoias.htm
It was written by the Trilateral Commission, so you know you can trust it.
November 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm #777220
Betty TMemberAll people of authority are only humans, like the rest of us. None of us are perfect and that old sex thing messes up a lot people. Unless it deffinitely involves security Why should we know about it. other than the fact he admitted to the affairs and did what he thought was right. Women can become nasty when it involves being an ex or competition. This has been goimg on for years and our Government still exsists and the CIA is still at work. I really don’t want to hear all the personal stuff unless it involves security.
November 14, 2012 at 1:22 am #777221
SpodieMemberThere is a difference between us DBP.
I don’t categorize the world into ‘left’ vs. ‘right’. I put it into ‘facts/science/truth’ vs. ‘nonsense/speculation/rumor/propaganda/lies’.
In your world there are ‘left’ and ‘right’ conspiracy theories. In my world there are only ridiculous ones.
As far a politics go; Reason, critical thinking, and science will steer you in only one direction.
November 14, 2012 at 2:48 am #777222
JoBParticipantDBP..
did you not notice that some of your examples were not like the others..
it isn’t a conspiracy if it is true..
aka FOX news does knowingly present false information along with it’s innuendo and gossip..
And it’s legal…
i don’t see a conspiracy there
just an assessment of fact
and i don’t know any liberals who think patriarchy explains much…
where do you come up with this stuff anyway?
November 14, 2012 at 2:51 am #777223
JoBParticipantkootch..
chill…
the FBI uncovered a couple of grown men who should have known better acting like testosterone flooded teenagers…
it’s a conspiracy all right…
men who don’t want to acknowledge that men in positions of power act just like the guy on the next block…
November 14, 2012 at 3:38 am #777224
c@lbobMemberJoB:
Well, we used to say they pull it out of their ….
But that’s too gross for this very prim board.
Your assessment of what the Petraeus affair really is strikes me as on the mark, but a little abbreviated.
Lessee, Jill Kelley get’s some “annonymous” emails telling her to stay ‘way from my man.
Conveniently, she knows a FBI agent, one who sends her a shirtless photo, who is more than willing to start a FBI investigation into this crime of the century.
Tell me, do you think if you had a similar complaint and took it to the Seattle field office of the FBI, that a full scale investigation would ensue? You do, tell me about it….
The agent, a little upset at the regard that Kelley has for Petraeus, decides that there are vast security breaches going on, that the FBI investigation isn’t getting to the bottome of. He tells Dave Reichert who, true blue American that he is, tells Eric Cantor.
Back at the ranch, it turns out the ram tupping the agents ewe isn’t Petraeus, but Dave’s successor in Afghanistan, John Allen (well, it may be Petraeus, too, but …. stay tuned.)
This is a swinger’s club gone bad!
Where are the photos (pant, pant, pant; hubba, hubba, hubba, hubba)?
Ah, the stoic respectability of our senior military men!
This should leave Bill and Elliott feeling a bit serene.
November 14, 2012 at 5:35 am #777225
bettytheyetiParticipantA secret is not black mail when it is a fact known to everyone. The P and B affair known to anyone in the field. The outrage belongs to Mrs. Petraeus’s not to you!
By the way I don’t feign surprise when professional killers are not boy scouts.
We have Iraq & Afganistan with how many US citizen killed a week, and knicker’s are in a twist over 4 in Benghazi? Come on!
Shirtless-FBI guy IS the story. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/13/petraeus-scandal-women-general-agent
November 14, 2012 at 5:54 am #777226
JoBParticipantNovember 14, 2012 at 7:29 am #777227
JKBParticipantThe basic scandal here is adultery. And yet we have c@lbob and bettytheyeti using phrases like “a guy who kills for a living” and “professional killers”.
Veterans’ Day doesn’t register with some people, nor do they apparently understand what ‘professional’ even means.
November 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm #777228
c@lbobMemberI don’t know about others, but I sure do know what a professional is, so I will take your statemnet as a question. I’m happy to elucidate.
A professional is a person who is paid to undertake a specialized set of tasks and to complete them for a fee.
The hagiofication of those we pay to organize mass death is intended to put them on a pedestal and confuse the view of them from the reality of their actions.
I don’t buy it.
It is interesting that Veterans Day is a memorial to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people arranged by generals.
November 14, 2012 at 3:03 pm #777229
kootchmanMemberYou didn’t finish the Wiki quote… there is some context there. I assume them to have advanced degrees, high autonomy.. everyone in a cubicle is not a professional, much as they would like to be considered one. When was the last time any general or admiral took a division of battle group into combat and arrange the deaths of thousands. You did that buddy. The dogs are let loose when the civilians let slip the leash. Be it Libya, drone across the waters, Afghanistan… etc..
November 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm #777230
JoBParticipantkootch..
“The dogs are let loose when the civilians let slip the leash”
really dude?
I have been around for more wars than i care to remember and i don’t remember one time when civilians were given the opportunity to even voice an opinion on whether we went to war.
November 14, 2012 at 4:24 pm #777231
kootchmanMemberYour duly elected representatives. President, (aka commnader-in chief, reference Libya) Irag, Afghanistan, all three of them voted for those two, and the current CIC is there by choice. But I see you can’t counter my point… generals and admirals don’t take national assets off on grand adventures… civilians send them.
November 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm #777232
WorldCitizenParticipantI’m just going to go out on a limb here and say none of you have any idea of what you’re talking about.
It’s the ouster of the director of the CIA. Do you honestly think you have anywhere close to all the facts?
Really?
November 14, 2012 at 5:56 pm #777233
DBPMemberSo let’s see . . . What DO we know about the CIA, exactly?
► We know they were responsible for plotting the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Iran in 1952. (With thousands murdered as a result.)
► We know they were responsible for plotting the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Guatemala in 1954. (Again, thousands murdered.)
► We know they were responsible for plotting the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Chile in 1973. (Tens of thousands murdered this time. Good work, guys! You’re due for a promotion.)
► We know they were responsible for plotting the overthrow of a democractically elected government in Cambodia in 1973. (With millions murdered this time due to productivity measures enacted by the Khmer Rouge, an outfit that the CIA also supported, after they lost power 1979.)
► We know they ran Iran/Contra in the 1980s. Selling guns to the I-ass-hollah and using the money to pay for an army of goons in Nicaragua, in direct violation of a Congressional order: Give these guys an “A” for creativity.
[Skipping ahead to save time.]
► We know that they went along (or even encouraged) GW Bush’s claim that Saddam had WMDs.
► We know that they were/are responsible for running torture and rendition programs in Iraq and Afghanistan.
► Brought waterboarding and electric-shock torture back to the mainstream.
► Run the drone program that kills civilians in countries with which the US is not at war.
► Are eavesdropping on DBP’s computer right now as a result of Google searches he did in the last ten minutes.
Let’s see . . . anything else?
Not off the top of my head.
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Personally, I don’t give a crap about what happens to ANYONE who works for an outfit like this.
If I saw Petraeus slip on a banana peel and fall on his ass, I’d laff.
November 14, 2012 at 6:06 pm #777234
JoBParticipantkootch..
all my duly elected Representative get to do is approve or deny a budget and/or ratify the decision to go to war.
The fellow who makes that decision is wearing his commander in chief hat .. not his civilian duly elected representative hat.. when that decision is made.
I will agree that wars are not waged solely on the recommendations of generals..
but those generals have a lot more to say about it than our duly elected civilian representatives do…
and i would add one more point to this kootch..
civilian is not a dirty word.
November 14, 2012 at 6:06 pm #777235
JanSParticipantanother question that we all need to pay attention to….this all started with ANONYMOUS emails to Jill Kelley that were not threatening in the least, just stoopid. She mentioned it to a friend who just happened to work for the FBI, and, voila, they started looking into someone’s personal e-mail account.And then the ball started rolling. Petraeus’ “scandal” was the result of that.
Are all of us potentially subject to having our personal stuff investigated and used against us? Are we already at “Big Brother” levels because of the internet? Is that even legal? Or does the FBI have Carte Blanche to do anything they want? Stuff to think about, folks.
And, DBP..have always felt that the CIA was a bit evil…the stuff we really don’t want to know about…covert operations, operating above the law, etc…
November 14, 2012 at 6:10 pm #777236
JoBParticipantWorldCitizen
it is the ouster of the head of the CIA
in a politically driven investigation that may have been motivated more by a desire to affect the election than to insure an effective CIA
do i think we know the entire truth? No.
And i doubt i will hear it in what is left of my lifetime…
But i am weary of the distractions.
Have none of these bozos figured out yet that the welfare of this nation might be more important than petty political gamesmanship?
November 14, 2012 at 6:55 pm #777237
kootchmanMemberLearn the term National Command Authority…. it’s usually in the opening flash traffic to the military. Admirals and Generals go where they are told to go and do what they are told to do. Has ever been such. Jeesh.. ya think if this administration was candid about Benghazi instead of pushing their line of BS about a movie in front of the UN, every media outfit the White House could rely on as friendly?. Obama broke the pottery.. and ducked, dodged, and weaved to keep his vision intact. But… we have hearings coming up… too bad behind closed doors.
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