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October 18, 2008 at 8:14 pm #643249
AnonymousInactiveSo sad.
October 18, 2008 at 8:15 pm #643250
JanSParticipantOh, geez….
October 18, 2008 at 9:14 pm #643251
FullTiltParticipantMaybe we should get a committee together and find out who these un-Americans are. They are a security risk, and are only dragging this great nation down in our troubled times. I was to young to hear it the first time but I would love to be watching Cspan and hear this quote spoken on the House floor again.
“I have here in my hand a list of two
hundred and five [people] that were
known to the Secretary of State as
being members of the Communist Party
and who nevertheless are still working
and shaping the policy
of the State Department.”
Oh a bright future is ahead of us.
October 18, 2008 at 9:17 pm #643252
angelescrestParticipantWhat a tragic reminder that is.
October 19, 2008 at 4:55 am #643253
acemotelParticipantWhat an odd set of priorities, when people wishing for the US to improve is SAD and Michele Bachman is FUNNY.
and ps It’s offensive when a poster presumes that people do not know how good their lives are, or assumes to know the life experiences of others. Calling for veterans who’ve given their lives? You have no idea, mister. No idea. Comparative international experience, likewise.
October 19, 2008 at 5:38 am #643254
CaitParticipantWhat is sad is that you all are so fixated on how everyone else feels about their country. Love your country if you love it and allow others the right to their first amendment. If I didn’t want to live here that’s my personal opinion, not a declaration that we should all abandon ship. And I’m not encouraging anyone else to feel that way. But your post called for people to think about how great we have it here. We do. But we shouldn’t be patting ourselves on the back for being American because our prosperity comes at a high price to other countries.
Maybe you need to ask yourself why you’re so angry about the simple fact that some people are not happy with this country and the things that it represents globally? Other people don’t have the great experiences here that you have or that we have here in prosperous West Seattle. To ignore the fact that there are people in this country living in hell while our country stands idly by spending money on government retreats and not funding programs for the sick instead makes some people mad. Maybe mad enough to speak poorly of a government that would do this. And I make no apologies for it to you, House, NR or anyone else – and I know plenty of veterans including my grandfather who would wholeheartedly agree with those of us who are not proud of our country currently. He fought bravely for our country, but he’s not what I would call a proud American anymore.
To get so angry and make personal judgments – even going so far as to tell me that maybe I should just leave the country – are not your calls to make or your judgments to place. If I disagreed enough I WOULD leave. But I still have faith in this country which is patriotism enough. But for right now? No. I’m not proud to be an American. I dare you to tell an Iraqi child killed in the line of fire that YOU are. Every time an innocent person dies in the name of our country I am given another reason not to the proud, flag waving American.
Given these facts – let’s try to remain positive, eh? Why do we still have faith in America enough to stay? I have faith in America because of Barack Obama’s ability to come this far in an election when 50 years ago he would have been persecuted. If we can grow this much as a country, we can do anything and I hope we do better things in the future that we can ALL be proud of and I’m confidant that we will. This is just one reason, anyone else want to chime in?
October 19, 2008 at 5:45 am #643255
CaitParticipantAnd I don’t know how good I have it? I thank God every day that I’m allowed to blog without the fear of persecution. I’m thankful that I am given an opportunity to succeed here. I’m thankful that I am white and middle class and that I am given a great amount of opportunity, but realize that if I weren’t those two things, I probably wouldn’t. I am thankful that we have a judicial system that would allow me to persecute a man for attacking me and not seeing it as his right as a male. I am thankful that I have the right to vote.
Do I think we could do better? YES. Do I think it’s fair that I’m practically guaranteed these things because I’m caucasian, born into a middle class family and was given an education – hell NO. Do I think we have the right to say we’re the best country in the world – NO. No one does. We’re all members of this planet and there need not BE a hierarchy at that level. If there is such a hierarchy it means that being at the top of the world is a responsibility and if we are there, we’re not living up to it.
October 19, 2008 at 6:40 am #643256
flipjackParticipantLet’s all just live and let live. Country or no country. Listen to IMAGINE by John Lennon.
And let’s ease House’s dissappointment by signing all our posts from now on “Proud to be American”
That’s all folks,
Flipjack
Proud to be American
October 19, 2008 at 6:42 am #643257
JanSParticipantCait…thank you
October 19, 2008 at 6:42 am #643258
CaitParticipantI’m such a huge John Lennon fan… I wonder what he’d have to say about American politics these days… I have those lyrics posted next to my bed. I should try to remember them more often.
Proud to be an American *wink*
Cait
October 19, 2008 at 7:17 am #643259
ariettaParticipant>>We’re all members of this planet and there need not BE a hierarchy at that level. If there is such a hierarchy it means that being at the top of the world is a responsibility and if we are there, we’re not living up to it.<<
Right on, Cait. I’m so glad there are people who can say what I think much better than I can. :)
October 19, 2008 at 7:35 am #643260
CaitParticipantGlad I could help – thanks :)
October 19, 2008 at 10:02 pm #643261
beachdrivegirlParticipantCait great post! :)
October 19, 2008 at 10:26 pm #643262
TheHouseMemberI once again will state that I am not angry (your last post comes across more “angry” than mine).
Cait, you choose to see the glass as half empty and I see it half full. I completely disagree with you not feeling proud to be an American. We still do more good for the world than any other country. You can dwell on Iraq as much as you want, but despite all of the sacrifices (lives included), their people will live better than they did under Saddams rule.
By the way, you stated in another thread that I’ve only come around for the primaries and prez election. You’re 100% wrong. I have been a VERY long time poster and have been a frequent visitor long before you came along.
October 20, 2008 at 12:32 am #643263
CaitParticipantHouse, didn’t you say that you stopped contributing because you felt alienated and were persuaded to come back by me and others? I’m not talking about visiting – I’m talking about contributing. I think the thread was defunct a few weeks ago.
I don’t think that I charged you with being angry, though I wouldn’t blame you if you were. I’m angry, I’m entitled to that emotion just as much as you would be. Why you care that I am?
And… the trump card… examples? Not of the good that we’re doing but that we’re doing MORE good than OTHERS. Second – Saddam is gone. We killed him. If they’re better now than under his rule why are we still there?
I also asked why people still have faith in America? I stated that I did and an example. Any positive contributions aside from calling me a pessimist and wrong? And daring to dwell on the cost of a war, the importance of which I am surprised to see you diminish as if I have a choice about dwelling on a international public relations meltdown and cost of lives and money. Obviously our priorities are different.
October 20, 2008 at 8:34 am #643264
JoBParticipantTheHouse…
Whenyou state theat the people of Iraq live better now than under Saddam’s rule..
did you say that because they have democracy or because they no longer have to fear Saddam’s secret police?
those two things are true.
However, to gain them, they have given up basic amenities like regular electricity, safe drinking water, sewer systems, and employment.
We have replaced Saddam’s secret police with fundamentalist militias of opposing sects. Their country is ravaged for the first time in decades by terrorism.
The oil that once at least marginally benefited citizens is now fairly securely under the control of foreign fuel interests..
there are few Iraqi families who have not lost family members to this war.
oh.. and their nation has been invaded and is being occupied by a foreign army.
Probably if all that had happened here… the resulting American whine would be heard around the world.
October 20, 2008 at 8:40 am #643265
JoBParticipantTheHouse…
one more thing..
about that glass half empty comment..
i think you have got that one really wrong.
Those of us on this side of the fence actually believe that America can, should and will regain her former stature in the world.
We are highly optimistic we can turn the mess the republican sanctioned raping and pillaging of not only America but of the world has made of our nation.
We can still see the actual good in America, not just the sham of patriotism that fuels those who insist this is still the greatest nation on earth while accepting behavior that would have shamed their ancestors.
Your glass is filled with illusion.
Ours is filled with more faith in our fellow citizens than they have demonstrated they are due.
October 20, 2008 at 8:41 am #643266
JoBParticipanti seem to be a little crusty in the wee hours:)
October 20, 2008 at 5:51 pm #643267
ZenguyParticipantI am proud to be an American, but not alwasy proud of what America does.
I have never lied about being an American, but have apologized for our arrogant politics.
I am not proud of the fact that we have three percent of the world’s oil reserves, but use a quarter.
I was not proud when the US, almost unilaterally attacked a country with no provication and no plan once we got there and little support.
I was not proud when we watched an entire area of our own country languish after a hurricane and had to beg for help before anything was done.
I am not happy that my tax dollars go to support people in areas of this country that are openly, hostile bigots.
But I am still proud to be an American.
October 20, 2008 at 6:23 pm #643268
CaitParticipantJoB – thank you! The glass half empty comment seemed a little out of place and I’m glad you figured out why. It’s not a matter of pessimism, it’s a matter of faith which I do have. And being “wrong” is a matter of opinion when it comes to political IDEALS not political FACTS. You might think my ideals are wrong, House, but I’d argue that you’re factually wrong. I’m anxiously awaiting those examples.
October 22, 2008 at 5:21 pm #643269
RainyDay1235MemberFor some reason this quote reminded me of this thread….
“You don’t have to be real smart. I stood fifth from the bottom of my class at the naval academy, which shows in America anything is possible.”
Guess Who? This irks me to no end. That is NOT what is meant by American “opportunity”. *sigh*
October 22, 2008 at 5:40 pm #643270
CaitParticipantAdds some more irony to Guiliani saying that Obama’s story “could only happen in American *rolls eyes*”. Yes, only a man who crashed more US plans on American soil than enemy planes during the war could make it to the presidential race…
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