Left/Right ending the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy/ the Buffet tax

[kootchman]

$20 bucks to send an e-mail… that’s a lot. You of course can do business whatever way you wish. But as USPS says… they can;t continue the way they are. I sure don’t want another entitlement program on the platter.

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[jamminj]

“But not until every piece of fat or inefficiency is cut from the federal budget. “

great, cut the military then, 30% off the bat, and since private enterprise is SO MUCH BETTER, privatize our military.

Give the VA vets vouchers for private insurance.

see how that works for the GOP.

Or are your going to argue out your a@@ that govt should run the military (I make a bet you will).

You know that inefficient, wasteful, don’t know what they hell they are doing govt… if they can’t run a post office, they sure as hell can’t run a military.

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[jamminj]

“$20 bucks to send an e-mail… “

again, you are thinking like my 5 year old. NOT EVERYONE HAS EMAIL, or secure email. Millions of small businesses still rely on USPS, force them to pay for UPS FEDEX, and you will drive them out of business.

But like I said, no surprise coming from you.

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[HMC Rich]

Wow, some of you know Carlin’s seven words you can’t say on Television (Over the air broadcasts). I feel dirty.

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[HMC Rich]

I haven’t read all the posts but everytime the USPS wants to do something that makes sense a bunch of Congressmen or Senators start freaking out and pass some law hamstringing the USPS.

I think both sides have merits in their arguments.

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[JanS]

lol, HMC Rich…I love George Carlin, dirty or not :)

oh, and I receive first class mail every day. I get paid by mail from insurance companies. Out of all the insurances that I accept in my one person business, only one has auto. deposit for their payments…imagine that…

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[redblack]

kootch: well, it’s obvious to me that you either don’t understand the issue, or you support the notion of busting the postal workers’ union – which only represents about 1/3 of their work force, by the yea. because that republican legislation did one thing, and one thing only:

it made USPS a debt machine in the last year that it turned a profit.

it was intentional. you know that, don’t you? it’s the grover norquist plan of shrinking government to the size where it can be drowned in a bathtub.

and i agree with spring chicken: pretending that you don’t use USPS – for anything – is a blatant fabrication.

so first of all, we need to repeal PAEA. this would allow the APWU pension fund to operate normally and allow them to stop covering postal workers who were also veterans. it would also uncouple the price of first class mail from the rate of inflation.

first class mail should be raised enough to allow the post office to cover its obligations.

it’s what every other business does – whether it’s union or non-union.

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[JoB]

kootch..

if you never use the USPS,

you are throwing away your hard earned money.

let me give you an example..

my vacation tip is that you can buy anything you want on vacation.. all you have to do is mail it home.

this last vacation, i stayed where .. gasp.. there was no local post office. Yup.. that’s right.. there isn’t one in the French Quarter .. or at least that is what i was told when i had difficulty finding it..

so.. i used FED EX standard size boxes.

in the first place

they are smaller than the post office’s standard sized boxes…

much smaller.

and much more expensive.

i spent three times as much mailing half what i mailed the vacation before :( Ouch!

The only explanation i can come up with for why you would willingly pay that much more is that the service you want isn’t available at the post office.

Do you routinely mail chemicals or some other forbidden item?

that would explain a lot.

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[kootchman]

As it happens, there are are luddites, hangers on, to old technology…even people out there who draw water from a well with a bucket. It doesn’t mean we have to preserve a legacy just because. Denmark operates less than 2% of the actual potage facilities with postal employees. Germany about 12%… funny all the cries and wailings … about small business rates when UPS and FedEx move all first class NOW and manage to make a profit off the USPS business!!! . Same old same old.. just cut out the middle man and reduce the cost. You all want gazillions and gazillions of dollars for all these programs.. it’s time to start making some choices. USPS is already UNDERFUNDED to the tune of 45 billion in just their retiree health benefits accounts… and the unions are wailing and gnashing their teeth that their members can’t stick it to the taxpayers… Wanna see it and read? Wall Street Journal, today, A14, Review and Outlook “The Senate’s Pony Express”….. it’s not worth preserving at a cost pf hundreds of billions a business that cannot meet it’s pension, healthcare, or operating costs… in MY small business sector… we call than bankrupt. We have to raise prices to cover the costs of inlfation…why not the post office? Sorry redblack they have to fund their contracted obligations… but when you sign contracts…better figure inflation in the price model. I am fine and agree,,, if USPS needs to raise the cost of first class mail to 1.50 a letter … great.. they should. it will accelerate their loss of customers though..and those of us who don’t use it…could care less. BTW Every business does price in in inflations,,eventually..they have to,… we are adding fuel surcharges right now until gas returns to 2.40 a gallon, Do like Europe does.. let WalMart, Costco, Safeway, Starbuck’s etc etc etc… who DO have sufficient revenue streams sell stamps and accept parcels for pick up. … as an added customer service. UPSPS is broke and getting broker… psst jammimj… active service members do get vouchers… for dependents. That’s no secret. Military is a special case… “provide for the common defense” is a constitutional mandate… and ya gotta give sumpin’ to induce an all volunteer force to run the gauntlet… unless you wanna go back to the draft. They earned it. I did get a VA voucher.. when the surgery skill set was too high for the VA… they paid the nuero surgery bill at Valley Med Ctr…. so many head and brain trauma.. most the severe cases ARE going to vouchers…to private hospitals,,, the phys rehab and stuff .. that was the agreement… I go, I get hurt, you care for me. You can bet yer ass I wasn’t getting 60K a year either!! USPS actually submitted a rehab pland redblack… the unions are fighting it… of course. Read the WSJ redblack.. if you call that making a profit…. look up “profit” in Wikipedia… farm it out to WalMart and you’d have even more universal access as a small business to send pkgs out. Why should the taxpayer subsidise any business,,? small or large….? Put the cost of post in your product price? Still can’t meet costs? Your business model isn’t working. Find a new plan. (note: used to get WSJ delivered…now I get it electronically..gasp..!!) Got a hard copy today in the airport on the way back from Vegas to read on the plane… choice choice…. it’s great. You can also read how Cummins is expanding it’s market, exporting, has a line of LNG engines, etc etc etc… because as a private business it isn’t running to the taxpayer to fund its R n’ D … it makes changes and adapts….. something the post office needs to embrace.

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[kootchman]

I would hope jamminj that your five year old is learning if you keep doing the same thing over and over again…. and it is a bad outcome or gets worse… your five year old would start thinking of alternatives. Maybe not.

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[jamminj]

again more lies. the VA does NOT have a voucher program for its vets for medical care. They do outsource care to private hospitals where a particular care is not available for the vet at the VA. But that is NOT a voucher program. All care is taken care of thru the VA.

And interesting that you argue that “ya gotta give sumpin’ to induce an all volunteer force to run the gauntlet…” and what you give to our serving men and women, an all out government run military medical care, everything to its doctors and nurses – who must report to the government (who you despise).

A type of care you oppose for yourself, but deem adequate for our serving soldiers.

You ever ask yourself, just stop and think about, it a govt insurance plan itself is so evil, full of death panels, can’t be efficient… then why does every single member of congress accept the care, even the tea party members. Every single one of them on govt health insurance.

And as far as my 5 year old learning the same thing over and over, yeah, he realizes giving money to those who already have the most doesn’t make much sense.

The government is not a business. The VA does not turn away a patient because he/she can’t afford to pay, it does the work because it is what is right for this country. A public school does not turn away a disabled child (where a private school can) because they bring down the test score. A post office doesn’t deliver the mail to make a profit, but because it helps the majority of Americans whether in small business or personal lives.

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[jamminj]

VA Budget Request Tops $140 Billion for Veterans Programs

http://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2263

since govt can’t do #hit, go tell all our vets that private enterprise is going to take care of them instead.

talk about BIG GOVT, start slashing tea baggers.

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[redblack]

kootch said:

Sorry redblack they have to fund their contracted obligations.

again, you don’t understand the issue. and you probably won’t.

ever.

they are funding their obligations – and beyond! – because republicans told USPS and APWU:

“fine. you want a pension? okay. now you have to spend all of the post office’s revenue to fund it – and to fund veterans, who are already covered by the VA.

“oh, umm… oops! that broke the post office’s budget?

“oh.

“hmm.

“well, tough sh!t.

“guess we don’t need a post office.”

in other words, republicans “fixed” what wasn’t broken to begin with.

again.

it’s what you do best: kill good-paying jobs with benefits.

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[kootchman]

Tricare is a voucher program. You raise a point. Benefits are a moot point regardless of what you call them…without the contributions of the armed forces. Do we need another carrier? That’s the politics of defense. Although the current POTUS is doing his victory laps because of that technology investment. The new F-22 Raptors he just deployed to the mid-east are part of the hand he plays. Without Predators, Global Sat, Stealth, the investments in Spec Ops.. well… he can ask Jimmy Carter what happens in the wild an wooly when you gut a military and then try and send in a hostage rescue tea,. … it got RR elected in a landslide. His only legacy so far is his $$$$$$ investments made in the military equipment and personell. Without it… he would have nothing to show-and-tell. Down to the nitty gritty though…. citizens by right of breathing air … they can wait in line while the warfighters get theirs first for the sacrfices they make and made. Veterans first, air breathers second. redblack… if they want to fund a second pension fund after 20 years ,,, pay for it. Double dipping is not my favorite … any federal employee should work in the traces just like the poor slobs that have to support them… no pensions until you reach SS retirement age. NYS has finally had to make that decisions…because they are now broke. Read the WSJ article.but do show me ONE business model… not even GM or Boeing is going to be fully staffed, loaded with benefits… if their business declines 20 per cent in a decade, The lay off and downsize. Just like bricklayers… when there is no work… you aren’t kept on the payroll. I don’t want yo invest in a declining industry getting ready to sunset, It’s over… they want to BORROW money from taxpayers to stay afloat ,… no mas. Fannie Mae, Student Loans… whatever the federal government subsidizes… always rises in cost. Jamminj a post office is REQURED by founding federal charter to offset costs by postal rates,,,, it is nit another endless pit to dump money into have liberal brand an “entitlement”…. it is required by postal charter to meet it’s obligations. You can;t “have it all” every dream list has to be pared and matched with an economy that grows so slowly it cannot keep pace with population growth. I see you didn’t read the WSJ article…. or you wouldn’t say the same thing over and over again.. sorta like your unassailable and discredited RR tax cuts mantra… you believe what you believe. USPS is in debt and USPS management HAS put forward a plan… to congress… it require retrenchment and alternative service plans. You could I suppose close down the internet.. and return USPS to its former glory.. So when the Bush tax cuts do expire… are you going to call them the Obama tax increases?

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