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    JoB
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    there was a time when every American could identify the ugly American

    when we traveled, we knew exactly who our foreign neighbors were talking about

    the rude guy/gal who demanded everything be exactly like it was back home everywhere they went

    and rudely/loudly proclaimed that the locals should do things the better way.. the way they were done wherever his/her back home was…

    no-one wanted to be identified as THAT person.. not even my most right wing republican friends.

    lately however, it seems that people can’t defend the kind of person we would have once taken pains to avoid quickly enough…

    in fact, boorish behavior is celebrated

    Can anyone explain this to me?

    #766431

    2 Much Whine
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    JoB, have you traveled outside our borders recently? Maybe some Americans celebrate that behavior within our borders but outside, in a foreign land, it still exists and is embarrassing as hell. That may be part of the reason some American travelers tell people they’re from Canada. I don’t know many people that I’ve met in other parts of the world that “celebrate” American obnoxiousness.

    #766432

    kootchman
    Member

    I am going to bet… I have traveled outside this country more than most. That is not my experience. I can explain to you, that there has always been this class, or sub group of apologists with nothing to apologize for. It’s sorta like Californians that move to a rugged state of individualists .like Texas, Idaho, Wyoming.. and then try to recreate liberal, bankrupt. nanny states…. ? That kind of people? They are very self deprecating to the point of embrassement. They shouldn’t travel.

    #766433

    Smythe
    Member

    Funny enough it’s the short sighted money worshippers who hate their fellow countrymen such as the poster above that the majority of people outside the US see as the problem with this nation.

    And the idea of the religious wacko states being made up of “individualists” that best represent us.. I would laugh if I didn’t feel so sorry for you.

    #766434

    JoB
    Participant

    2MuchWhine

    “Maybe some Americans celebrate that behavior within our borders but outside, in a foreign land, it still exists and is embarrassing as hell.”

    i am embarrassed when i see it here…

    and i see it too often

    #766435

    JoB
    Participant

    kootch..

    i don’t apologize for that kind of boorish behavior

    what can you say that will adequately apologize for that kind of behavior?

    i simply don’t behave that way

    #766436

    kootchman
    Member

    what I find out when I travel abroad…. universally… is they love the American culture… none too happy with our government.. I can relate to that. Overbearing institution that is is.

    #766437

    miws
    Participant

    ….and then try to recreate liberal, bankrupt. nanny states….

    Woo hoo! Something else that’s the liberals’ fault!

    Mike

    #766438

    JoB
    Participant

    kootch..

    again..you miss the point

    that being our current national celebration of boorish behavior

    but i will point out that Smythe countered the point you just made 2 posts prior to yours

    discontent with the American Government tends to follow the American military backing up the “rights” of American multinational businesses in foreign countries…

    #766439

    PDieter
    Participant

    I wish the Ugly American was our cultural, foreign policy hero. A good book, often mischaracterized by people who only read the title.

    #766440

    DBP
    Member

    That’s right, PD. Unfortunately, since the title was ironic this kind of misunderstanding was bound to happen. (Americans have always had a hard time with the concept of irony.)

    In the book, the hero is physically ugly but spiritually beautiful. His beauty consists in the nobility of his struggle to help the people of a developing country (read: Vietnam) feed themselves. As Mr. Oogly sees it, if the Vietnamese people can feed themselves, they’ll be better able to fend off communism on their own and won’t need to fall back on the US military to “rescue” them.

    In the book, as in Real Life, the American government ultimately decides to foresake the development strategy and go for a military solution instead, with predictable results.

    Contrast the Ugly American to Graham Greene’s Quiet American, who was physically beautiful, but spiritually ugly.

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    When I was in ‘Nam, I didn’t see many Americans, ugly or otherwise. I did, however, see lots of Ugly Germans, Ugly Australians, and yes, even Ugly Scandinavians.

    To me, it’s reassuring to know that God spreads the ugliness around in the same measure as the beauty.

    Anybody recognize this ugly gal?

    (No cheating, please.)

    #766441

    JoB
    Participant

    PDieter..

    i agree that is a very good book..

    do you agree that ugly americans are a bad cultural example?

    #766442

    JoB
    Participant

    DBP

    could she be eleanor?

    #766443

    PDieter
    Participant

    J, outside of the book I don’t know what threshold you’ve set for your definition. I believe I made my position clear with my response and DBP might have clarified some of my usual obtuse stance.

    I’m a returned Peace Corps Vol from the Regan era so I think that might also define my foreign policy and international travel ethic.

    #766444

    JoB
    Participant

    PDieter..

    no definition

    just increasingly boorish behavior

    and far too much public acceptance of it :(

    #766445

    DBP
    Member

    Yes, Jo. Very good. Eleanor Roosevelt.

    On whom I have always had a particularly huge crush. (We’re talking DBP-sized crush here.)

     

    As you know, Eleanor was not renowned for her physical beauty as an adult, but she was quite a looker in her youth, no?

    Reminds me of my grandmother, Charlotte.

    She was no great beauty, either.

    But she took care of everybody.

    And just seemed to love everyone around her.

    She never learned how to swear, but when she got really angry at someone, she’d stand there shaking, unable to speak.

    Called the really bad people “stinkers” and “no-good-niks.” Stuff like that.

    And never understood why there had to be war and suffering, and why people couldn’t just . . . get along with each other. Like she did.

     

     

    Another Ugly American, she was.

     

    God bless her soul!

    #766446

    JoB
    Participant

    DBP..

    there are a lot of definitions of ugly

    Eleanor’s behavior was one of her biggest assets

    #766447

    kootchman
    Member

    we’ll go with the “accepted ugly american”… yep, I have seen the boorish behavior so many times…. humping bags and bags of grain onto CH 53’s and C-130’s to make those air drops… to flood and earthquake decimated areas. Field water purification units delivered courtesy of the 10% taxpayer… or the arrival of the USS Comfort. Ah the list is long indeed.. Smythe… throw a $20 spot in the cookie jar.. the needs are great any many. What the want.. what they admire.. is the opportunity. what confuses them when they get here.. is how little advantage the native sons and daughters take advantage of their opportunity. Their work ethic and this opportunity is the reason we need more immigrants. Our gene pool is getting too diluted. We need more vigor.

    #766448

    JoB
    Participant

    kootch.

    need help getting your train back on the track buddy?

    boorish behavior of a few does not translate into trashing all Americans

    any more than the good works of a few translates into an excuse for individual bad behavior

    #766449

    kootchman
    Member

    nice back track… so the answer to your question is by your admission… not. It is not a cultural norm or value.

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