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June 27, 2008 at 8:27 pm #628501
JoBParticipantsoclwrkrinmotn
great links. i just got to them and they really made me pause.
i thought i knew how i was privileged.. but i have only been looking at what is most obvious.
thank you…
and yes.. well said above…
June 27, 2008 at 10:00 pm #628502
AnonymousInactivesoc – Thank you for seeing my point.
There is discrimination everywhere, regardless of who you are, what sex, color, religion, political party and so on.
As far as seeing the “other side”, I think I do. I do it on my own and I am always open to reading information shared here.
(I can’t watch videos because I don’t have sound).
I also believe that I am open to other points of view in discussion and have relented my stance on various subjects due to what I read here from others.
I just don’t see the same openness from the other side (most of the time). That’s not necessarily discrimination (at least, I don’t see it that way) and it certainly isn’t racism.
I truly believe that the majority of people (and not just on this forum) have the attitude of “my way or the highway”. We have seen perfect examples of this in the fact that some members of the forum publicly announce that they are boycotting the forum. It’s almost like this idea of, “No one sees it *my* way, so I’m just leaving”.
I only see that from one side of the fence, even though those on the other side of the fence would have good reason to take that attitude.
June 27, 2008 at 10:25 pm #628503
JoBParticipantnewResident..
those who have opted out of the forum for a while have done so because of rudeness.. not because they are incapable of listening to or understanding an opposing point of view.
they just don’t think they should be called names because someone else makes assumptions about them that don’t happen to be true.
June 27, 2008 at 10:38 pm #628504
vincentMemberAre all the white people done complaining about how the colored people are victimized yet?
June 27, 2008 at 10:41 pm #628505
soclwrkrinmotnMember*mad*
I had this nice reply written, and the blog hiccuped. Lost it all.
I will try again. NR, there is discrimination everywhere…however, what makes it an “ism,” if you will, is this:
Racism = Power + Prejudice. (It goes for classism, sexism, heterosexism, ablism, ageism, anti-semitism and cisgenderism, too)
Pull up the links I posted (I promise they aren’t videos) and the point will be made better than I can.
As for the various sides of the fence, speaking honestly, I have been insulted (and intentionally so) by folks on your “side of the fence.” And yes, my “side of the fence” is also guilty of it.
If we were honest about it, we’d be better off saying “I’m ticked with you *or what was said* and I need to excuse myself from this discussion for a while.”
Alas, we’re human, sometimes rude, and we are all guilty of it. Including you and I, NR.
June 27, 2008 at 10:51 pm #628506
soclwrkrinmotnMemberVincent, you do realize there are POCs on this blog, right? Like me?
(although if you are too, then it would be funny…in-group, out group)
June 27, 2008 at 10:57 pm #628507
JanSParticipantsocl…you may have to define the letters “POC” for some…just a thought…I know, you know, most of us know…but those who don’t “get it” may not..
oh..sorry if I’ve offended anyone..
June 27, 2008 at 11:13 pm #628508
vincentMember… people … of….. collloorrrrrrrr.
your… dots.. are …the ….web …..equivalent of …..ssstt sssttuddering.
Yeah I am a darkie, and I find the endless rants of white folks about how hard the coloreds have it to be boring in the least, and pandering at best.
June 27, 2008 at 11:16 pm #628509
soclwrkrinmotnMemberIf you don’t like my writing style, don’t read my posts. Enough said.
Boring? Glad you think so. I find it maddening, and my clients find it difficult.
June 27, 2008 at 11:21 pm #628510
vincentMemberwell get mad at the *FIVE* pages of white guilt proceeding this.
and the dots comment was directed at JanS.
PS: I skimmed only half of the posts on this, you all need to take a college level humanities course on race relations or something and get this all out of your system.
June 27, 2008 at 11:24 pm #628511
AnonymousInactiveI disagree with the idea that people quit posting on here because of rudeness.
It is because, when their opinion is challenged, they don’t like it. Sugar-coat it however you want.
As soc said, I have been victim to rudeness, just like a lot of people on this board. I also have “opted to sit out” of certain discussions, even for just a short period of time.
For what it’s worth, even if someone is “rude” to someone else, they are still making a case (or trying to).
People have their own style of writing and getting their point across, I still appreciate debate and have never wanted to see anyone stop posting because of their writing style.
soc – Your position seems to be based on “power”. But I think that assumption would only apply in certain situations. There are many situations where I have *no* power over another person and vice versa. So I, in way discredit your position, but I think it is valid infrequently.
In todays day and age, green is the most important color.
June 27, 2008 at 11:26 pm #628512
AnonymousInactivevincent – I don’t understand why you wouldn’t participate in the discussion rather than just become more and more angry (as it seems, apologies if that is not the case).
You have an opinion and I know that I would appreciate you sharing it.
June 27, 2008 at 11:31 pm #628513
JenVMemberNR, I quit posting on here because when you argue with idiots, you become by extension, an idiot. That and people are rude. And I become rude when I am on here. The fact that there are a bunch of snot nosed little people on here dying for an argument daily is just too much for me. Life is too short, and I get upset when I get involved in this garbage. So talk all the smack about me you want, guys- have fun. I will be out with my friends having a good time- not glued to some petty little argument on a chat board.
June 27, 2008 at 11:35 pm #628514
AnonymousInactiveJune 28, 2008 at 1:15 am #628515
soclwrkrinmotnMemberVincent, I live it. As do you.
Maybe white people need to get out it out of their system. Then maybe it will be a non-issue sometime in the future.
NR: I did NOT refer to personal power. Please read what I said. “Structural and institutional.”
I didn’t say YOU, as in personally. You are a part of it, though, and you have privilege.
Basta ya! I said my piece, and now it is time to have a good evening and post no more tonight.
June 28, 2008 at 1:59 am #628516
JoBParticipantNew Resident..
“I disagree with the idea that people quit posting on here because of rudeness.
It is because, when their opinion is challenged, they don’t like it. Sugar-coat it however you want.”
well aren’t you special…
you get to decide why people stop posting?
i was one of those.. and you were exceedingly rude to me…
and this comment is equally rude. It’s good that you apologized to JenV… she had an apology coming.
June 28, 2008 at 2:10 am #628517
JanSParticipantVincent – it’s stuTTering. And maybe I do, and maybe I just took offense. Maybe. You don’t like people who stutter?
June 28, 2008 at 2:28 am #628518
JimmyGMemberOne of the few tenets I live by:
I can choose to be a victim, or I can choose to be a survivor.
Neither one of them discounts what you have experienced or lived through. Yet it allows you to live your life to the best of your abilities and not be constrained under the limitations others may try to force upon you.
Seems to me a lot of us could try harder to see the difference between the two.
June 28, 2008 at 3:44 am #628519
AnonymousInactive*well aren’t you special…
you get to decide why people stop posting?*
Rudeness is a definition of a behavior and as such, can be extremely subjective. I would hardly consider it name calling.
JoB, you felt comfortable offering up your explanation for why some stop speaking. I believe you used plural terms like *those who* and *they*, as if you speak on behalf of a group. Why do you call NR a name (special) because she has come to her own conclusions?
June 28, 2008 at 5:46 am #628520
JoBParticipantJune 28, 2008 at 5:58 am #628521
AnonymousInactiveJoB – Thank you for thinking I am special.
Please show me where I have ever been “rude” to JenV, WITHOUT it being a direct response to a rude post from her. To insinuate that I am required to “apologize” to her is childish.
JoB – When was I “rude” to you? I know of a couple times that you have been “rude” to me. So, if you want to compare notes, that would be fine (but very *uninteresting* to everyone else).
This is a forum. If I feel offended, I challenge that person. If I feel dismissed, I speak up. That is my choice. I don’t get “angry”. I also don’t walk away or quit the forum.
You either want to discuss, debate and converse or you want everyone to just agree with you. That wouldn’t be very interesting if we all agreed on everything.
I have a different viewpoint from most people on this board, I’m not afraid to share it. But, honestly, “rude”?
Have you thought, for a minute, JoB, what I encounter on this forum being a minority? I bet you haven’t for one minute looked at anything that has been thrown my way objectively (why would you, you agree with all of it).
Thank you for that, vincent. No truer words were ever spoken. I would never walk away, as challenging as it can be, at times, to have important discussions on this forum, I still partake and participate. Nothing would change that.
It comes down to class and classless.
June 28, 2008 at 6:01 am #628522
AnonymousInactiveSorry – thank you for that, JimmyG!!!!!! No truer words were ever spoken.
June 28, 2008 at 6:23 am #628523
AnonymousInactiveJoB, and I was merely offering that both you and NR did the same thing. You both claimed to know why people have stopped posting. You stated it is a reaction to name calling, she stated it is because people don’t like being challenged.
Just wondered why it was OK for you to know others motivation, but she gets called a name, and talked down to? Isn’t that what you profess to be against?
June 28, 2008 at 12:52 pm #628524
KayleighMemberJune 28, 2008 at 1:08 pm #628525
TrisketParticipantThank you Kayleigh!
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