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June 6, 2012 at 2:44 am #759317
DBPMemberhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2018357011_apuswisconsinrecall.html
By SCOTT BAUER
Associated Press
MADISON, Wis. —
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker beat back a recall challenge Tuesday, winning both the right to finish his term and a voter endorsement of his strategy to curb state spending, which included the explosive measure that eliminated union rights for most public workers.
It was a calculated risk.
June 6, 2012 at 2:48 am #759318
SmittyParticipantJune 6, 2012 at 3:16 am #759319
kootchmanMemberIt was a drubbing. It redefines liberal governance. Democrats can no longer count on ” sho in” wins because of public unions demands. If the numbers hold, this may actually be the endorsement to run from! Romney has a talking point, all that public treasure for his stimulus was to prop up union labor… all the rest of us got screwed to the floor.
Two things of importance. One, review the polls. Who were accurate? Liberal polls twisted, turned, pulled, data until it looked like “new math”.
Second, ignored, downplayed,…TEA Party activism took the field. They showed up in droves. They killed the Democratic ground game. The birthplace of public unions finally smacked down an errant, spoiled, petulant offspring.
Now, maybe, hopefully, the bully has had his nose bloodied, and should take the offered hand of cooperative government, with “the boss”, the beleagured taxpayer sitting at the head of the table. Obama will run from a fight… good lesson to learn. Give em’ hell Harry he isn’t.
June 6, 2012 at 3:36 am #759320
kootchmanMemberJoB I got the stats for ya
Right from DoD …. That year there were 2,974 cases of rape and sexual assault across the services. 206,000 active duty women serving. One is atrocious. But my calculator doesn’t round up or down for political contrivance, 206,000 / 2,974 does not equal 1/2 or 33 per cent. It’s less than 1.5 per cent and most were assaults not rapes.
You persist in the myth spinning. Sandra Fluke was a prop, a used instrument of a grand standing, overplayed hand. The hearing was convened for discussions on the relation between the state and the intrusion into the First Amendment. It was seen for what it was. Pandering. It flopped.
There will be compromise, If you compromise. I said it a year ago… IF PP wants to retain the role of federally subsidized health care provider, the American people do not want to pay for abortions. Keep rubbing their noses in it… It’s not irrelevant.. It just isn;t going to get served up as you would like it served. You still have the right…exersize it as you see fit.
June 6, 2012 at 8:26 am #759321
HMC RichParticipantI am glad Walker won. This recall vote should never have happened. It was a waste of money. In two years Scott Walker took a state that had a huge deficit and now has a surplus.
Although I do believe that there should be unions, mostly private, I can also believe that government workers can have unions but they can’t be the big behemoth they have become.
If you believe in sharing the wealth, then the public employee who makes more than the private sector employee and has much better benefits, can afford to pay more for their own health care.
There needs to be common sense approaches to many of these issues. Although I am conservative, we need government to help the people of this country. Conservatives do not want to get rid of government. I just hope that some common ground that makes sense for business and government can be found.
June 6, 2012 at 11:00 am #759322
kootchmanMemberWell said. Government is like lending a cousin a grand, for diapers and rent, and meeting him the next day at Emerald Downs,
The benefits packages are obscene. They do it to dodge income taxes. The retirement packages are similarly structured.
Worse, is the endless work rules. No more suspended with pay, or endless, months and even years long process of terminations for cause or malfeasance. You steal from government, assault citizens under badge of color.. you are gone. Period. If you aid and abet fraud, pack your bags. Teachers who break state law, and go on strike are fined heavily, $ 1000 dollars per day. Second offense. Terminated. It’s time WE the citizens were listened to. We want experiment and innovation in education, It’s not the personal fiefdom of the Seattle School Board..or the WEA… you all work for us. You can all retire when the suffering taxpayer does. Your pensions start the day you are eligible for social security.. and just like us….there is a pro rata formula.. we get our full SS at 67…. you get your full pension at 67.
We will tell you if we are satisfied with the results. Then the audacity to tell us we don’t pay enough.
Even California has had it. ..Todays headlines… Ballot measures to cut pensions for city workers score landslide wins in San Diego, San Jose,
Politicians have taken us to the brink of economic catastrophe by pandering to civil service unions and police and fire guilds for votes and organizations. States that restrict union powers, will thrive and attract business. States that don’t will look like Illinois.
Look at Illinois…. they have a 140 BILLION pension liability. The HS graduation rate is 52 per cent. Rahm Emmanuel, the darling boy of Obama, wants increases school days, hours, and offered a 3 per cent salary increase. The Chicago Teachers Union? They want a 30 per cent increase!!!! Only civil servants would have a failure rate of 48 per cent and ask for a 30 per cent increase. Imagine that? Our national debt is now over 100 per cent of our GDP… for you young millenials.. if government isn’t put in check.. you will never see in your lifetime a balanced federal budget. We used to say it was unconscionable to pass that debt on to our children.. we are going to pass it on to you and your children too!
Scott Walker has set the new paradigm for leadership… who is strong enough to stand up to the special interests? who will do the right thing?
June 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm #759323
JoBParticipantkootch
So what does a “drubbing” cost
and why did so many out of state interests pay so much for what could well be a very short term victory when Walker and his crew face the pending charges for cheating the state’s vets?
it should make you wonder.
lest some of you think posting this is sour grapes…
think again.
the facts and graphs displayed in this article should be a warning to us all…
Our elections are being purchased by outside interests with vested financial interests in the outcome
this income inequality thing might not be so good for you.. even if you think you fall out towards the top of the pack
June 6, 2012 at 3:37 pm #759324
JoBParticipantkootch..
i want to thank you for showing both women and men who read this forum why it would be a very bad idea to leave the rights of the women in this nation in the hands of men who think like you do.
your disdain for women and the inequality they face in our nation is proof enough that we definately need to ratify the ERA so there is never any question about where the law of this land sits on equal rights.
your disdain for individual women and your willingness to display it is breathtaking
Quite frankly, i never thought i would have to publicly face attitudes like this again in my lifetime.
thank you for so clearly illuminating the choices.
June 7, 2012 at 5:58 am #759325
HMC RichParticipantDBP, Bauer’s AP piece is not correct. It did not eliminate union rights for most workers. It, ACT 10, set a cap on what percentage of wage increase they could ask for, which could not go higher than the increase in the CPI (consumer price index). If they want higher then it would have to go to a referendum vote. This does not affect Police and Firefighters. I am only focusing on this part of ACT 10. Bauer (AP) needs to be more concise and not misinform people.
June 7, 2012 at 8:35 am #759326
kootchmanMemberNo JoB… what is breathtaking his how much you run to government to solve every itty bitty bump in the road. How little confidence you have in your own gender. You keep searching and searching for this vast web of inequality that exists in your world. Not anywhere else. It’s a toughie I know, that not all you observe or believe to be true is.. well.. true.
Mother Jones… again? sigh. OK… first, they should charge the costs of the recall to the petitioners. Second, it was a damn fine bargain for the taxpayers.. best bang they ever got for the dollars spent. Hundreds of millions of savings just in making the union owned insurance company bid competitively. Sour grapes. Finally the some degree of parity has been restored to the taxpayer. All is well in Wisconsin. The voters had ample time to discuss the issues…. the free media coverage the recall movement had was …. non compensated exposure. The cost was … a 3 billion dollar deficit was erased, a 140 million surplus is in the state fund… The “cost” was incurred because of the recall… that was the insitgating event. Not walker, not the TEA Party. This is a pretty clear cause and effect. Expect more of it. You are witnessing the self correcting nature of our democracy. Excess leads to reaction, which leads to movement back to a center. Reactionaries and reactionary governance burn out… wear out their welcome.
Ya got thumped. drubbed. Not a word of protest from you when unions tossed tens of millions into the campaign coffers of Democrats for decades They bought, on the cheap, and endless stream of revenue and benefits even private unions could never get..because they had a death grip on taxpayers. Conservatives caught the incoming mortar fire on union money that is breaking the economic back of government/taxpayers and now are returning fire with bigger artillery… and yes, they have more in the ammo bunker. But in the end.. votes counted.
Obama wanted this war of attrition when he thought he was the rock star.. he was, he thought, going to swamp the voices of opposition with his avowed billion dollar war chest… oops
My objection to PP is that it receives federal funds to perform abortions. I have the right to own guns too… I realize others want more restrictions on that right, or don’t share that view..but I am not asking you to be taxed to fulfill that right and go buy my guns…. just leave it alone. 53 per cent of American oppose federal funding of abortion. Roe v Wade gave women the right to abortion, nothing in that decisions said others should fund it. That was a political decision. That is not a right…that is public policy, always subject to contention. Yet, you keep moving the issue closer and closer to another review in the Supreme
Court…perhaps with another twist or element..new science, contradictory science.. declare victory and stop antagonizing the majority view that federal funding is wrong. You however, would through all the healthcare under the bus for your sublime view of the “perfect” combination of your version of healthcare. You have the right. As I have said …. and as is part of our right.. when you bring abortion into the public square .. it’s an issue for debate. As long as one citizen objects and that citizen pays taxes, it’s open for debate. Personally, I think the debate is fine. The states are going to make those decisions that fit their vision of who they are. King County will not be the role model for every state or county in this far flung land. My disdain is for the hyperbole and exaggerations you posit. Your thank-you is appreciated. I at least understand political stage craft….you cannot possibly be unaware that Ms, Fluke for instance, was a hastily crafted, gotcha maybe, move … from the left wing .. the far far left wing of your party. They crashed a party that wasn’t theirs to crash. They could have just as easily convened their own birth control committee or caucus meeting. The saw political opportunism and grabbed it. You are a polling number that works well for this administration… the foot soldiers of the war on women that no one is fighting.
I wish I could find a way to drub myself 60 million and make 3 billion, 150 million… as wisconsin did,
June 7, 2012 at 2:23 pm #759327
TanDLParticipantFun bit of trivia before I’m off to a long day of work: Walker won in Wisconsin, but the Democrats gained control of the Wisconsin Senate. Although Wisconsin did allow Walker back in the governor’s chair, they effectively handcuffed him there.
June 7, 2012 at 3:02 pm #759328
JoBParticipantJune 7, 2012 at 3:03 pm #759329
JoBParticipantkootch..
reading a little Mother Jones would do you some good.
they actually do investigative news there…
no legs to look at
but plenty to titillate the mind ;->
June 7, 2012 at 3:48 pm #759330
kootchmanMemberSee..perfect.. just like congress. The public wins with deadlocked government. They can’t spend. But Act 10 stands.
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