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April 22, 2008 at 8:28 pm #617792
JanSParticipantKayleigh – lol…be careful…someone on here might take you at your word.
Do we really not believe that Hamas did this for a reason? Let’s use our brains here, instead of what’s fed to us by the media. Mr. “I’manutjob” from Iran could endorse any of the candidates…that wouldn’t mean that he has them in his pocket. Anyone out there in the world, including Osama himself, could endorse any number of people, and would we believe that they’re in cahoots with him? Of course not…why are people so quick to believe the worst of Barack Obama…all I can believe is that y’all really do believe that he’s some secret terrorist muslim…and that’s shameful.
What would you be saying if Hamas had endorsed McCain or Hillary..you’d be dismissing it…so let’s get a grip, people…
we’re all tired of the innuendos about the Dems, especially Barack. You bring me proof,real proof, then we’ll talk..
April 22, 2008 at 8:37 pm #617793
KayleighMemberJan, I think you could get some Republicans to believe anything.
Psssst….Obama’s head is actually made of cheese from Osama Bin Laden’s goats! Another terrorist connection!
(okay, enough sarcasm, back to work, bad girl…)
April 22, 2008 at 8:51 pm #617794
AnonymousInactiveKayleigh… I think I’ve tried that cheese and it was really good! I believe I found it at Trader Joe’s and enjoyed it with a fine glass of 2 buck shuck!
April 22, 2008 at 8:52 pm #617795
walfredoMemberAnyone who thinks that Hamas is openly endorsing a candidate because they believe that it will help get there preferred candidate elected; would have to be the stupidest human being alive.
April 22, 2008 at 9:03 pm #617796
charlabobParticipantWho should Hamas thank? How about the Bush administration. Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza — in part because of dissent within the administration over who to support. Sometimes democracy is so damned embarrassing. :-)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/04/usa.israelandthepalestinian
The current government of Iran is there, in large part, because the Bush administration failed to support (or shut up about) the previous, fairly moderate administration there. So it was replaced by the short mean guy.
Carter said assistant secretaries of state encouraged his visit and have, in fact, been in talks for a long time. I believe him. I also believe everyone has to publicly disavow any knowledge … etc.
Sometimes diplomacy works. Posturing bravado hardly ever does.
Yup, NR, some of us would listen to Michael Moore’s endorsement–more people than you know. In fact, he has “supported” though not endorsed CLinton up until the past two weeks, because her health care “plan” is closer to what we need than Obama’s.
BTW, before I’m accused of supporting terrorists, I don’t. I support sane foreign policy that results in terrorists not being elected in the first place. Next place this kind of election will take place is — are you sitting down? Iraq.
April 22, 2008 at 9:18 pm #617797
AnonymousInactivewalfredo – Not really sure what your post even means, but I guess you are trying to imply that I am the “stupidest human being alive”? Not very classy.
I initially posted that link to see what Obama supporter’s thoughts were regarding this recent endorsement. I was curious what you all thought about it.
Instead of talking down to people and insulting people, why don’t you try and explain your thoughts on the topic.
April 22, 2008 at 9:24 pm #617798
AnonymousInactiveI did send a post, but do not see it anywhere, so will try again. Sorry if it shows up twice
walfredo – I’m not really sure what your post even means, but I’m assuming that you are implying that I am the “stupidest human being alive”? Pretty classy!
I initially posted that link regarding the endorsement to see what Obama supporter’s thoughts were. I was curious what you all thought about it.
How about, instead of talking down to people and insulting people, why don’t you explain what your thoughts are regarding this topic?
April 22, 2008 at 10:02 pm #617799
AnonymousInactiveOh, I see! It’s a big conspiracy! Soooo, I have to ask this question… Since he is also supported and backed by a dirty politician, a racist pastor and, let’s not forget, Farrakhan, are they all a part of the conspiracy too? Do they really not want Obama to win? Who are they, along with the Hamas, secretly wanting to win this election, walfredo?
April 22, 2008 at 10:20 pm #617800
AnonymousInactiveNR, best line of the day!
*I think I’ve tried that cheese and it was really good! I believe I found it at Trader Joe’s and enjoyed it with a fine glass of 2 buck shuck!*
April 22, 2008 at 10:26 pm #617801
charlabobParticipantHmmm.. movie, chuck, cheese — yup, that’s a reasonable alternative to watching the election returns. So is eating razor blades :-)
April 22, 2008 at 10:31 pm #617802
AnonymousInactiveJT – Thank you!!! I thought maybe that got lost in the mix of everything, but I’m glad you enjoyed it! See, I can make fun of myself!
April 22, 2008 at 10:42 pm #617803
charlabobParticipantOK, Maybe just chuck, cheese and a movie — forget the razor blades. First tea-leaf reading from Pa:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/22/pa.primary/index.html
April 22, 2008 at 10:43 pm #617804
WSMomParticipantLet’s not forget, as Stephen Colbert pointed out, since Obama is supported by Ted Kennedy, who is Catholic, and the Catholic Church is led by a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth, that can mean only one thing: OBAMA LOVES HITLER!
Hitler must be in on the conspiracy as well!!
April 22, 2008 at 10:43 pm #617805
KayleighMemberReading yet another guilt-by-association sliming of the honorable and wise Senator Obama is akin to eating razorblades to me.
April 22, 2008 at 10:52 pm #617806
beachdrivegirlParticipantWSMom thanks for the laugh….:)
April 23, 2008 at 12:23 am #617807
AnonymousInactiveWho knows, WSMom. Maybe walfredo will enlighten us with his conspiracy theories.
Again, that is, initially, why I posted that link, to get everyone’s thoughts.
But, I’m confused about everyone claiming this is “guilt by association”, Hamas endorsed him. It wasn’t someone who was mildly affiliated with Hamas.
April 23, 2008 at 12:49 am #617808
beachdrivegirlParticipantI think the point is that you can not control who endorses you.
He has spoken out that he disagrees with Hamas and does not support them.
And the conspiracy theory about Hamas is that they secretly want McCain elected and what better way to get McCain elected then to endorse his opposition. Hell withouth Bush Hamas would not even be being discussed and with McSame they can continue on.
April 23, 2008 at 1:06 am #617809
AnonymousInactiveBDG – Thanks for clarifying, without insulting my intelligence. Hey, I’ll be the first to admit, I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but for someone else to make that determination for me, it’s not so nice.
I agree, you cannot control who endorses you. Hagee? No thanks. But it’s funny to me that when it’s REALLY bad, Obama supporters will spin up some twist so that it’s not really the case (it’s a conspiracy), or it’s not really what it seems (guilt by association). There seems to always be a “reason”.
April 23, 2008 at 1:51 am #617810
KayleighMemberNewRes, you just keep hinting about this association, but you don’t tell us what you actually think it means.
Do you think he is a terrorist? Do you think he hates Isreal, is a Muslim, is a terrorist sympathizer, will get into the White House and allow Al Qaeda to take over the Pentagon? Or what?
I mean really. The right wing loves to float little character assassinations with absolutely no logic or reason behind them.
April 23, 2008 at 2:20 am #617811
AnonymousInactiveNo, Kayleigh, I’m not floating little character assassinations. These are the people that are behind Obama. That are backing him. That these people want Obama in the White House has nothing to do with me. I don’t know what it means, but I know I don’t like it.
I’m not hinting at anything (I think you’re giving me too much credit), I would just be concerned if I were supporting someone that racists, dirty politicians and terrorist groups were backing. That’s all.
April 23, 2008 at 2:24 am #617812
KayleighMemberYou’re just ‘concerned’, but you have no apparent reason. You are, in essence, engaging in McCarthy-esque paranoid thinking. But this is the Republican way, so why I am even having this conversation?
I am not at all concerned about who backs Senator Obama. Not at all. I don’t think racists or dirty politicians or terrorist groups have any influence on him whatsoever. He is a highly intelligent, compassionate, honorable man, and he is going to be the next president of the United States, and he is going to try to undo eight years of horrible damage done by people who think like you.
April 23, 2008 at 2:28 am #617813
AnonymousInactiveNo reason? Hmmmm. Let’s wait and see.
I’m not paranoid, btw, I just don’t have tunnel vision.
April 23, 2008 at 3:11 am #617814
AnonymousInactiveNR *I agree, you cannot control who endorses you. Hagee? No thanks.*
One little difference, McCain actively courted Hagee’s endorsement.
And for a good taste of what this pastor is like, please read:
April 23, 2008 at 4:17 am #617815
JoBParticipantkayleigh…
i am not indulging in character assassinations..
but I do want to know what his relationship is with Farrakon… i don’t just dismiss Farrakon’s endorsement, his participation in the Million Man march and his church’s honoring Farrakon… or the donations that he eventually returned…
I want to know if what he says and what he did match…
I could care less that Farrakon is a muslim. I do care that he is rabidly anti-semetic… and i want to know what how that is going to affect a fairly large voting block…
I do want to know what his real relationship is with the real estate developer.. and campaign contributor.. who is now under indictment… i don’t believe you pay that much more for a piece of property just to be “fair” to someone you don’t know well. It’s not as though the Obama pocketbooks have been overly deep for charity until the campaign.. so they were not in the habit of just giving money away. There is obviously more to this story…. and obviously more to his connection to this man.
I do want to know just how he can be involved in his church.. have his pastor baptize his kids.. have his wife rephrase some of the pastor’s rhetoric… and not know what was preached in that church…
I don’t care about what was said in the church, what his relationship with the investor was.. or even if he used Farrakon’s movement to grease his own political skids…
and i could care less who he serves on boards with…
but i don’t think he is telling us the truth when he characterizes them all as people he only has a passing acquaintance with…
people in your immediate circle who have only a passing relationship with you don’t normally get so involved in fundraising for your political campaign.
He is right, America doesn’t want to be sidetracked with non-issues.. but they do want to be given answers that make sense…
and i care that he makes sense of this now before he faces the republican political machine in the fall… because they will have no scruples about not only revealing the connection(s) but inflating them out of proportion to inflame different voting blocks.
April 23, 2008 at 4:53 am #617816
JanSParticipantI think what people want to hear is…yes, he’s my friend, yes, I believe what he believes, yes, I’m all for Hamas and welcome their endorsement, yes, I think america should be damned…then it will make all the little “suspicions” justified. For some reason, people can’t simply take him at his word. I think I’ve said this before…none of the candidates is squeaky clean, but for some reason, this black man, whose middle name is Hussein, after his father (yes, it sounds muslim), who went to a school when he was a child that had muslim children attending…this man is more suspect than others…while John McCain can cuddle up with the likes of Hagee, and maybe even believe what Hagee says he believes (after all, if he seeks out the endorsement, he must agree with him, right?), and we are content to let it slide, not question his motives or what it will mean to this country..women, are you listening…Hagee is anti-abortion… gays are you listening, Hagee thinks you have undermined America…now..McCain is associated with him…do you really believe that this man has your best interests at heart? Mrs. Clinton has been associated with some not so upstanding “fundraisers”…do we actually believe that she’s in their pocket? Of course we don’t…
so what is this damned obsession with Obama? He didn’t ask Hamas to endorse him…it’s not like Hamas gets to vote. anyone in the world can say that they “endorse” whoever…it is yet another distraction…they don’t want him as president…
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