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December 13, 2009 at 7:38 pm #683736
JoBParticipantdufus…
a nude protest this time of year?
i guess shriveled blue bodies would stop traffic… they wouldn’t even have to throw eggs..
December 13, 2009 at 7:47 pm #683737
anonymeParticipantI wonder what Wilson would have to say if the vehicles on his (presumably)non-arterial street were traveling at 20-40 miles over the speed limit, consistently? Wilson seems to be suggesting that anyone who can’t afford to buy a house in some posh cul-de-sac should expect to put up with criminal activity. This assertion is absurd and elitist. I bought a house on this street not because the price was “appealing” but because it was what I could afford. The issue is not one of arterial vs. non-arterial, but of adherence to laws that apply to EVERYONE. BTW folks, the speed limit on all non-arterial side streets is 25mph.
Dufus, I like your protest idea. However, I think I’ll forego the nudity bit. The idea is to educate, not frighten.
December 13, 2009 at 8:17 pm #683738
flowerpetalMemberI like the protest idea too; far better than egg tossing or dummy throwing. I am appreciative of the peace protesters in the Junction. I believe that kind of activity could work on 35th SW and ultimately could save lives.
December 16, 2009 at 2:35 am #683739
bsunMemberThey should put speed cameras on 35th in about 5 different locations along with 4 speed cameras on Admril going to the West seattle bridge.
December 16, 2009 at 3:40 am #683740
velo_nutParticipantWaiting for Wilson’s response…. Obviously not gonna happen.
December 16, 2009 at 6:25 am #683741
bsunMemberThey also need to put 5 to 6 cameras going East and 5 to 6 cameras going West on the West Seattle Freeway.
December 16, 2009 at 7:01 am #683742
bluebirdMemberBig asses need to interject ignorance as part of a diet regime. Jumping from thread to thread with nothing more to offer but LMAO!
Is it not enough that at least three people have been killed on this street in the past year or two? Type “accidents on 35th ave SW” into the search results on this page and look at all the returns? Arterial is irrelevant. It’s a residential neighborhood with a 35mph speed limit.
December 16, 2009 at 10:55 pm #683743
CrazyDogLadyMemberHow about a few strategically placed speed humps? Is 35 MPH too fast for that?
How about you enlist all the folks along 35th to make giant signs (you supply the boards to make it easy, or have a big painting party) reminding people of the speed limit. I have a friend on 35th; I’d be happy to make a sign to put in front of his house.
Years ago when I lived in Ohio there was a stretch of Rt. 32 that locals dubbed “Highway to Heaven” because of all the accidents and deaths caused — it was a road that was not very improved but used by students to get between Cincinnati and Miami University. They made an enormous sign that said “Entering Highway to Heaven. Reduce Speed. Fasten Seat Belt. Pray.” And then they erected markers on every spot where a fatal accident had occured — it was pretty freaky and sobering, and eventually ODOT took notice and did something about the road.
Not saying you need to be THAT drastic but it would help get peoples’ attention. I’ve been tailgated on 35 too.
December 21, 2009 at 12:15 am #683744
anonymeParticipantThe speed limit on the stretch of 35th south of Roxbury is actually 30mph. We applied for a permanent radar speed sign and have been told we might get one next year. I’ll believe it when I see it. Even so, radar is not the same as a camera; it can only inform, not enforce. I was told by SDOT that the death rate was not yet high enough to warrant changes. They did a speed study a few years ago indicating that the average speed is more than 10mph over the limit. For the average to be this high, the majority of vehicles must be traveling far in excess of that. SDOT has also told me that they will not install speed bumps on arterials. Am I dreaming or did I see speed bumps on Beach Drive? Must have been Wilson’s house…
December 21, 2009 at 12:26 am #683745
JoBParticipantanonyme…
the saddest part of this all…
“the death rate was not yet high enough to warrant changes”
not the accident rate..
the death rate.
When you reduce people to statistics too many have to die to create change.
December 21, 2009 at 12:51 am #683746
anonymeParticipantJoB, to be fair and accurate, the quote itself may not have been “death rate.” However, the conversation was regarding the number of accidents vs. fatalities and I was told that the fatality rate was not very high. Quite a few pedestrians have been struck by speeding cars on this stretch and managed to survive…so they don’t count? My interpretation.
December 23, 2009 at 10:32 pm #683747
2krazy4wordsParticipantthe “Highway to Heaven” may be the only thing that gets noticed. Officer Cooke is no longer around (and was only around after 10am when there was far less traffic and it was less critical).
The speed-o-meters are nice for those of us that are actually trying to watch our speed, yet the majority are speeding by too quickly to notice.
I live on 35th and now also drive a school bus, so I’m driving 35th all the time. I can not believe how many people blow past the STOP paddle on the bus when we try to pick up and drop off kids. If the state/county wants to end the budget deficit they should find a way to put cameras on the STOP paddle and mail tickets to every car that ignores them too …
December 24, 2009 at 5:24 am #683748
velo_nutParticipantA warning to all of those folks who like to speed on 35th.
Turns out one of our new neighbors past Thistle is a Seattle police officer…
Please note the new cruiser in the parking space.
Break the law at your own risk, d-bags.
December 26, 2009 at 3:53 pm #683749
anonymeParticipantvelonut…we used to have a police officer who lived down on our stretch of 35th, south of Roxbury. He got so frustrated with the speeding that he moved. What does that tell you?
Swimcat…it is not up to you to determine a “happy medium” when it comes to speed. Just because you decide that 35-40 is safe does not mean you can drive that fast if the speed limit does not allow it. The speed is 30 mph south of Roxbury, so if you’re behind cars going that speed (which would be rare) it’s because they are obeying the law. Too many people share the attitude that the speed limit is whatever they personally deem as safe or convenient, whether it be 30 or 60.
Speeding brings with it issues other than safety. The noise level rises exponentially with an increase in speed. Forty is considerably louder than 30. While some folks clearly believe that those of us who “choose” to live on an arterial have no rights, I would suggest that we have the same right to peaceful enjoyment of our homes as any other taxpayer. Heavy traffic at 30 mph may not be enjoyable, but it is tolerable.
WSB/TR…I and several other neighbors have frequently contacted Stan Lock and never received an iota of information, support, or action of any kind – regardless of his title. We gave up including him in any of our petitions. We have not yet attended a White Center safety meeting, but have been told by other neighbors who have that the police have been dismissive of their concerns. They were told to start a block watch. Actually, I got exactly the same response from the Mayor’s office,so I know for a fact that this is the ‘fix’ being offered by officials, ridiculous as it sounds.
I appreciate the info and suggestions, but we’ve pretty much tried it all at this point. I just want to make it clear that we are not just whiners who have taken no action on our own. We have been extremely pro-active in trying to deal with this issue (and others) but bureaucratic stonewalling has arrested our every attempt.
December 26, 2009 at 8:06 pm #683750
JoBParticipanti personally wouldn’t mind seeing a couple of speed traps on 35th.. to remind those who see it as a mini-freeway that there is a speed limit there.
bet that idea will go over big ;-)
traveling 40 or 45 in a 35 looks pretty safe until you realize that children, dogs and the elderly all live on that road… and none of them have the reflexes or resources to get out of your way fast enough if you aren’t paying attention…
not to mention the driver who has attached themselves to your tailpipe and is unlikely to see either your tail lights or what made you suddenly stop.
Too many possibilities for your own personal tragedy..
and too little time saved by speeding to justify the risk.
December 27, 2009 at 9:30 pm #683751
josie2006MemberSeems like the speed traps in other places have worked–like the Highland Park hill for example. I travel that way frequently and average speed during the morning commute is definitely less than it used to be before the random morning police sting ops started. Not perfect, but better.
December 27, 2009 at 10:25 pm #683752
MargLMemberI -have- seen the occasional speed trap on NB 35th near Brandon St. and Camp Long. I’ve seen motorcycle cops sitting on the corner of a cross-street and parked on the sidewalk with radar guns pointed at traffic. Apparently, from the number of complaints, speed traps and the ‘hey you’re going really fast’ flashing speed-check signs do not work as well as people would like.
December 27, 2009 at 11:39 pm #683753
JoBParticipantDecember 28, 2009 at 12:24 am #683754
MargLMemberI’ve always liked the idea of some sort of car-mounted paint ball or nerf-dart system. Basically if you see someone who is driving like an idiot – you ‘tag’ them. If you get enough ‘tags’ on your car the next cop you see pulls you over and cites you for driving like an idiot. Power to the people!
This could be rigged up as part of the speed check signs, too.
December 28, 2009 at 4:23 am #683755
guidosmomMemberMargL – I like that idea. :)
December 28, 2009 at 5:25 am #683756
JoBParticipantDecember 29, 2009 at 2:15 am #683757
TrisketParticipantI once lived on Thistle Street. It was too busy and the cars drove very fast. I didn’t like it so I moved. Good street for free stuff though.
January 2, 2010 at 5:11 pm #683758
anonymeParticipantMargL, love your ‘tag’ idea.
We’d welcome a speed trap, but so far our requests have gone unheeded. The cop who formerly lived on 35th used to squirt speeding cars with a hose. Story goes, it ticked off a few speeders who jumped out of their cars to confront him, but decided to back off when they saw the ‘companion’ in his shoulder holster.
CrazyDogLady, your sign idea is interesting. Maybe we could get a lot of people along the corridor to put them out as sandwich boards on the planting strips. BTW folks, the correct term is ‘planting strip’ not ‘parking strip’ although that is how these areas are commonly(and illegally)used on 35th.
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