SCHOOL CLOSURES? Two days after superintendent announces ‘retooling,’ West Seattle’s board director listens to overflow crowd

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

If anyone in the overflow crowd at the West Seattle (Admiral) Library tonight was just there hoping to hear new information from West Seattle/South Park school board director Gina Topp about the “retooling” of Seattle Public Schools’ closure proposals, they went home disappointed.

“Anyone who watched [last week’s] board meeting knows as much as I do,” Topp insisted, when asked if the district was still trying to come up with a plan that would take effect at the start of next school year. “The timeline is very confusing … I’m not sure what to expect at our next meeting.” (That’s two weeks away, on October 9.) She said she could only speculate that superintendent Dr. Brent Jones had heard the uproar and was “readjusting for us.”

Topp’s meeting lasted only 45 minutes due to library policy about ending events 15 minutes before closing time (today happened to be the first day of the fall-season 6 pm closing time for this branch on Wednesdays). But she spent almost all of it listening. Most of the parents, teachers, and students who spoke identified themselves as affiliated with one of the West Seattle schools facing possible closure/changes in at least one of the two “options” the superintendent had originally announced – Louisa Boren STEM K-8, Sanislo Elementary, Lafayette Elementary, Pathfinder K-8.

One of the first parents to speak complained that the district had offered “no opportunity for meaningful public input” before releasing the proposals. The pre-plan community meetings (WSB coverage here and here) had been “vague” at best. She suggested the board create a parent advisory group.

Topp agreed with the criticism: “That was part of the mistake made, we didn’t bring the community along.” But, she warned, “We still have to close a $100 million budget gap … there are no good decisions on the table .. we asked the superintendent to come up with a plan to close schools and get better student outcomes, seems like almost an impossible task.”

Several parents wondered about other ways to close that gap. Legislators hold funding power, Topp reminded them. What about the companies based here that are worth “trillions”? one wondered late in the meeting. How could the community advocate for them to help?

The most poignant stories were from people who said that closing their school would be like losing a family. A Lafayette dad said that he has talked to other parents and “more than half” vowed to “drop out and go private,” so the administration should consider the further attrition that would result from closures. That could lead to a death spiral in funding – fewer students, fewer dollars. Topp agreed that should be considered.

The closure plans would affect schools that stayed open, by redrawing their attendance boundaries, and a Gatewood Elementary mom said she had been trying to get information on how that would affect current students and siblings – and the district employees with whom she’d spoken didn’t know. On a similar note, another parent wondered about the middle-schoolers who would be moved from K-8s like Boren and Pathfinder (which one “option” suggests converting to a regular neighborhood elementary school). What about the overcrowding that’s already a problem at middle schools?

A Boren teacher/parent decried the effects the original options would have in the Delridge area, with Sanislo and Boren on both lists, and another also including the Pathfinder change. “I really feel like there was no equity lens being used … the Delridge corridor was being gutted … our schools are so central to the community (which was the) epicenter of redlining for a long time.” She drew major applause.

“I’ve seen this train wreck for 12 years,” declared another parent who shared recollections dating back even further, to the school closures in the late ’00s. “It was a nightmare” – leaving Schmitz Park Elementary with more than a dozen portables, among other examples. “I have no confidence the district accurately estimates enrollment,” she said, expressing skepticism that enrollment would be as low as projected, given new housing policies further densifying neighborhoods, among other reasons. She also noted the costs of closing – and potentially reopening – schools. She wrapped up her turn by pleading for extra staff to help with the overcrowding at her kids’ current school, West Seattle HS.

Emotion continued running high. A Lafayette mom spoke of pulling her child from an independent school because of “issues … Lafayette took her in, and this is her community,” a community from which she would be torn if Lafayette were to close. The family had specifically chosen to buy a home within walking distance of Lafayette, Madison, and WSHS, but if the closures go through, they’ll leave the district again, she declared.

District communication to and beyond families had been abysmal, it also was noted – the potential closures are of interest to the entire community, so updates shouldn’t just be going to parents.

Topp had mentioned a concept she floated at last week’s board meeting, coming up with a short list of a few schools to close for starters, then learning from how that played out before possibly closing more. “How will you decide on a smaller set of schools?” one attendee asked. Topp said they could use the criteria already spelled out. She also suggested there were some obvious choices – maybe Sanislo, because it’s small but more expensive to operate, she said, with a chronically flooded playground and a nonfunctioning kitchen among other problems. She appreciated that the school loves its community, but, “I think we can do better by those kids.”

A former Sanislo student begged to differ, defending the school. “But we have to look at the budget deficit,” countered Topp. “But small communities are worth it,” insisted a parent. Topp could only say the decisions they’ll have to make one way or another are “horrific.”

Another STEM parent/teacher suggested that under the criteria, her school was erroneously targeted for closure. “STEM is wildly well-resourced, the community incredibly dedicated, there’s a vast three-classroom special ed program – each is a world that would cost (a lot) to relocate.” She went on to rhapsodize about the school’s large campus, the options for students like music and shop, and other unique attributes that would be tragic to lose.

And a Pathfinder 8th grader said the community at her school had been so much a family – a theme heard multiple times at the meeting – that her sixth-grade class had even created a family tree. “Why aren’t we thinking about the students?” she asked, saying closures would “rip their lives apart.” She too was resoundingly applauded.

Toward the end of the meeting, a few voices around the room shouted, “No school closures!” Will that be the result of the parental pushback? As Topp suggested, it’s not clear how soon we’ll find out.

P.S. Her email address, as written on the whiteboard during the meeting, is gktopp@seattleschools.org.

45 Replies to "SCHOOL CLOSURES? Two days after superintendent announces 'retooling,' West Seattle's board director listens to overflow crowd"

  • bradley September 25, 2024 (10:45 pm)

    Props for showing up Gina.

    • Barbara Massey @masseyb827@gmail.com @massey827gmail.com September 26, 2024 (8:18 am)

      I have raised my children and my grandchildren at Lafayette school .It is a very good school for the children growing up in the west Seattle community.my children all had a good experience attending there,even with the care and patience of the teachers and staff working there,especially with children with special needs( IEPs) some of those children’s had very good experiences,that helped them & encourage them towards a  positive future(THEY encouraged them that they too ,can and should reach out for the same opportunities as everyonelse,increase in their learning  at pace suitable for them  setting reasonable goal for them.what I am getting to is that Lafayette Elementary School is I Believe is one of the better schools in the area.I have two attorney’s and a Judge who started out  some on the low end with an IEP,  I know and believe that having good teachers with good programs in our schools,teachers that love their job of teaching teaching children that are a little slow as well as children that are gifted ,but seeing  a positive future of greatness in all of our children no matter long it takes for some to catch up with life,our children’s beginning ‘s is so very,very important   PLEASE DO NOT LIMIT THE CHILDREN’S. . .THESE CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE. . .YOUR FUTURE,,, SOCIETY DEPENDS ON EDUCATION OF THE CHILDREN THAT W E WILL TURN OUT . . .STAY FOCUSED. . GOD IS WATCHING ,He SAYS,SUFFER T HE LITTLE ONE’S T O COME UNTO ME A ND FORBID THEM NOT .We need àll our schools.LearningIs so important and teaching them the right things.A MIND IS A  TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE. . .     Remember:    “KNOWLEDGE iS POWERFUL “Ms.Barbara Massey / email :             @ masseyb827@gmail.com.                                    Google    

  • Shanti September 26, 2024 (5:21 am)

    Amazing how a city like Seattle, who prides itself on being progressive will go about slashing school budgets and close schools thereby ensuring that most kids will go to private education. Which will then widen the divide between the social classes in Seattle even more. At least stop pretending that you care about class divide. Seattle is at the forefront of acting as though it were progressive when in actuality it is a leader in perpetuating social class division. How does Idaho manage to operate within its states budget every year and yet somehow we can’t even manage to keep schools open?

    • WS Res September 26, 2024 (11:24 am)

      They aren’t slashing the budget. 90 million of the 100 million budget shortfall is due to the District negotiating a teacher’s contract they had no way funding. They made the budget bigger but had no way of paying for it. A quick google search shows articles from Idaho of a potential 162 million budget shortfall if they shift back to an attendance based funding formula. Washington has that formula, state funds per student enrolled. On the east side of the state there is a lower COL so the per student funding goes further for salaries and operations. There should likely be a sliding scale of funding per student based on District and a COL multiplier. 

    • PSPS September 26, 2024 (12:19 pm)

      “How does Idaho manage to operate within its states budget every year and yet somehow we can’t even manage to keep schools open?”

      Simple: Idaho has an income tax as do 48 other states. Washington is saddled with an inability to tax its oligarchs. That’s why they like to live here.

    • Benjamin Lukoff September 26, 2024 (2:05 pm)

      They have a more progressive tax system than we do. So does almost every other state.

  • Sanislo parent September 26, 2024 (7:22 am)

    Sanislo is one of the most beautiful, multicultural communities you will ever find – in this city, this state and the world. I’ve spent a lot of time in public schools across this country, and I’ve never encountered a team of adults as loving, caring and committed to every student in the building. The quirks of the building just add to the charm and resiliency of this community. We love our (seasonal) ‘Lake Sanislo’. And we’ll guide our kids through whatever changes we encounter next year, but closing this school will be a mistake. 

    • WS Res September 26, 2024 (11:27 am)

      The problem is it’s a school which is dire need of upgrades and repair and has low enrollment of only 173 students. It’s also really not performing well as far as student learning outcomes. 

      • 1000amys September 26, 2024 (3:39 pm)

        I’m curious what you mean by student learning outcomes. If you mean standardized test scores, those are going to show you the demographics of a school. Kids who are poor and kids of color generally do worse on them. They are biased. My kids who went to Sanislo did fabulously on their learning outcomes. And they either did poorly on, or did not take, the standardized assessments, due to their disabilities. So I’m sure they are part of what makes the school appear to some people to be performing poorly. But they were very well served by the school. They needed a small community to thrive. They needed a school that pioneered a mental-health forward approach and a mindfulness practice, which Sanislo did and does. Small schools are also great places to try new ideas. 

        • Mel September 27, 2024 (2:42 pm)

          There’s some new studies out suggesting standardized testing is in fact NOT biased or racist. It doesn’t change that those from lower socioeconomic households have less learning opportunities early on and therefore may perform worse. But the tests themselves aren’t biased. 

          • Local September 27, 2024 (11:37 pm)

            Hi Mel, could you share your resources? The only reputable articles I can find when I google are referring to sat and act which aren’t comprable to state tests. I am genuinely curious! 

  • 3cents September 26, 2024 (7:29 am)

    I attended Gina Topp’s school closures retooling meeting. Unfortunately, not a lot of information. Superintendent Dr. Jones remains secretive (even to the school board who hired him), parents are frustrated, children are sad, and  a 45 min Q&A was not nearly enough time to allow the attendees to ask their questions. I hope the tight timeline will result in pushing back the closures until the 2026-2027 school year, but that’s just me wishfully thinking. We’ve got nothing concrete to go off of at this point. We can only hope the school board makes the right decision for the kids and their families. Bonus points if they oust Dr. Jones as well. He has caused nothing but stress, anxiety abd uncertainty for Seattle Public School families. 

  • onion September 26, 2024 (7:38 am)

    It says a lot when school board members suggest that they, too, are in the dark about the administration’s plans and processes.

  • STEM Parent September 26, 2024 (8:13 am)

    She was there for 45 min. The room had 2 hr’s worth of questions. She had no answers to anything. Our schools are screwed ! 

  • Erik September 26, 2024 (8:25 am)

    This problem was created by the district and Union agreeing to a budget last year that they knew was unfunded. 
    Couple that with a 10 percent cut in enrollment, something has to give and one place is to consolidate schools and layoffs of teachers and central staff. 
    Expecting the state to bail out mismanagement and the reality of less students is not realistic and not going to happen, because if they increase funding for Seattle, they must increase funding for every school.
    We spend 26 k per student, one of the highest in the nation and we need to figure put why we spend so much and don’t see outcomes that are equally as high.

    • WS Parent September 26, 2024 (9:59 am)

      Because of the high percentage of students in private schools in Seattle, SPS has a higher percentage of students with special needs than many other districts.  Students with IEPs and 504s are more costly to educate. Washington state provides insufficient funding for students with IEPs, and 504s are an unfunded federal mandate. SPS is left holding a big bill for those students.
      I would push back a bit on SPS outcomes. SPS is a high performer compared to urban districts nationally. Further, its test scores significantly exceed the state averages. Plus, over 20% of Seattle students attend private schools, and a disproportionate number of those students come from upper middle class/highly educated families with students who should test well.
      Given the fact that we both have higher percentages of kids with special needs, and lose a lot of the families who can afford private school, our outcomes are good. For example, Madison Middle School’s test score performance exceeds that of 94% of middle schools in Washington.
      As a final pushback, I would like to give a shoutout to West Seattle Elementary. WSE has a high percentage of immigrant (often refugee) families who do not speak English at home. Over 80% of students qualify for Free and Reduced Lunch. Yet, WSE scores higher than 60% of elementary schools in Washington state. On paper, 60% may look mediocre. On the ground, that is a homerun with bases loaded. Kudos to you, WSE!  

      • West Seattle Resident September 26, 2024 (8:32 pm)

        Students with IEPs are gen ed students first..come with the same funding and entitled to everything a gen ed student receives.   Then additional federal money per IEP that at least  covers  those additional costs and sometimes above and beyond.  However over the years the downtown people keep taking more of that money where it used to go to the schools.  

    • Jon Wright September 26, 2024 (10:10 am)

      I think your last point is misleading. Googling the interwebs, I did not find any source that shows Seattle Public Schools per-student spending as being “one of the highest in the nation.” However, there are plenty of sources that show the cost of living in Seattle as being top 10 or top 20. I do not think it should surprise anyone that there is correlation between the cost of living here and the cost to run the school system. I expect the state to adequately fund schools and to recognize that costs are going to vary geographically.

    • Mel September 27, 2024 (2:45 pm)

      Exactly. This was incompetence at the top, agreeing to a contract with the teachers union that the district couldn’t afford to begin with.

  • attendee September 26, 2024 (8:44 am)

    Hi WSB, thanks for covering this. One other pertinent item that was discussed before you arrived was the timing of the final decision. Gina stated that she believes the final plan, whatever it ends up being, needs to be approved by end of 2024 in order to be operational by the start of next school year. It’s unclear to me if end of 2024 is even feasible given the WA state law around closing schools, which requires 90 days for feedback after a final plan is put forth and before it is officially approved. So even if there is a “final plan, option C” presented at the Oct 9 board meeting and everyone is onboard with it, the board can’t actually vote to approve it for another 90 days, which pushes us into 2025.There is also the next BEX levy vote in February. Buckle up, it’s going to be an interesting few months.

    • WSB September 26, 2024 (9:40 am)

      That’s addressed briefly in paragraph 2 (I only missed one minute of the meeting, had to head there amid still-breaking coverage of the Triangle shooting), when I mention that the timeline is unclear, because that’s the bottom line of what she said. For specifics and references, though, Melissa Westbrook has a very detailed breakdown here:
      https://saveseattleschools.blogspot.com/2024/09/legalitites-in-closing-schools.html

  • Sanislo parent September 26, 2024 (9:39 am)

    The school district can absolutely do better by the Sanislo kids… by fixing their school! It’s a great location with beautiful grounds. Busing the kids out of their neighborhood is no answer. Many of these families will no longer be able to walk to school, to attend meetings, conferences, and special events, to volunteer. 

    • Sanislo Fan September 26, 2024 (3:24 pm)

      The “Lake” has been repaired and the kitchen functions exactly how it was designed.

      • 1000amys September 26, 2024 (3:45 pm)

        Thank you! I came here to say this.The school was built to use the “efficient” system of meals prepared in a central kitchen and sent out to schools pre-packaged. Nothing is broken. If Sanislo is closed, students will likely be eating pre-pack lunches at their new location. Many schools use this system in the district. There was extensive drainage wolf done on the playground and in the adjacent creek bed this summer. They never should have built a playground in the headwaters of a creek, but that was done in the 1960s. There should not be significant long-lasting flooding this year. Meanwhile having a campus in an urban forest is beneficial to students’ mental health, and enhances their study of science. They don’t even have to cross a street to experience native plants and wildlife. 

  • Zachary Banks September 26, 2024 (10:00 am)

    Instead of putting schools against each other, we should be suing the legislature for not fully funding schools in clear violation of their constitutional obligations.Schools with non-functional kitchens are underfunded. Districts with budget gaps are underfunded.

  • Kara September 26, 2024 (10:05 am)

    The seattle school district is so large, geographically  would any improvement be made by splitting it? I don’t know anything about the budget needs but I feel the frustration ever winter when all school are closed because one part of Seattle has snow or ice. I wonder if smaller districts could respond and budget better. Of course a concern with doing this would be equity, especially if splitting along geographic lines. I’m not looking for an argument, I’m just wondering if the district is looking into solutions other than just shutting schools, which will not solve the long term problems we have in this district 

    • WS Res September 26, 2024 (11:29 am)

      Double the administration costs? I don’t see how that would be helpful. 

    • Benjamin Lukoff September 26, 2024 (2:21 pm)

      The district really isn’t that large, if you think of how things are done in other states. New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, Philadelphia, San Diego, Denver, Albuquerque… all of them covered by a single district, all of them quite a bit larger than Seattle by area. I don’t think any improvements would be made by splitting it. If anything, improvements might be made by merging adjacent school districts. At any rate, you’re right — there would certainly be equity issues, and the voters would never approve.

  • Darlene September 26, 2024 (10:55 am)

    There is a major shortfall. There are a lot of people at fault, but nonetheless, there is such a budget deficit, this has to happen. No one wants to shut down schools. But there is no money to fund the current plan. 

  • Derrick September 26, 2024 (12:17 pm)

    How are we simultaneously building a new school at Alki and then proposing to close at least three schools on the west side because of low enrollment? Wouldn’t it make MORE sense to use those funds to rehabilitate the facilities?  I know if I had no money in my personal budget I wouldn’t build a fancy new house but would fix the one I was already in. 

  • Lafayette Mom September 26, 2024 (12:35 pm)

    Thank you for reporting on this. One of my frustrations has been around the poor communication and transparency with the community at large. My oldest is a SPS student, but I also have a toddler. SO MANY of her peers’ parents are unaware that any of this is happening (and lots of them would be future Lafayette students). I’m trying to spread the word, but the district has done everyone a disservice by not getting this information out to non-SPS community members. In an election year it’s ridiculous that there hasn’t been any push to pressure legislators or mobilize in Olympia. These closures are going to impact everyone (from abandoned buildings sitting in neighborhoods to increased traffic) and I can’t believe more info hasn’t been shared widely. 

  • Ms D September 26, 2024 (1:04 pm)

    I understand that people are passionate about schools, but come on– let’s not sink the ship.I experienced a school closure/ consolidation years ago when Fairmont Park and High Point–2 under enrolled schools merged, creating West Seattle Elementary and closing Fairmont Park (for a few years).I can tell you it was the BEST thing for students because under-enrolled schools just lack resources, and that is NOT good for students.  Under-enrolled schools end up with more split grade classes, have less nurse, counselor, family support and intervention budgets.  Personally, I think K-8 schools should be reverted back to K-5.  Middle Schoolers in K-8’s do not have access to as many electives, foreign languages, music opportunities, athletics and other enrichments.  Besides that, running a K-8 office is a job and a half, and there isn’t enough staffing to support the staggering work load.The district needs to stop the financial bleed–let them. The kids will be fine! If your school closes, there will still be skilled, caring teachers and staff in their new schools.  

    • K-8 Parent September 26, 2024 (5:06 pm)

      As the parent of kids at a K-8 school with split classes currently, I can tell you that those split classes are FINE (maybe even better IMO than single-grade), and the lack of electives in grades 6-8 is also FINE. Some kids really benefit from the option of attending school with a smaller, closer-knit group of kids during the middle school years, and those who want more electives and a bigger experience simply transfer to Madison or Denny. Lots of movement in and out for middle school and I am really happy to have the option for my kids to stay or go depending on their individual needs. You’re right that the kids will ultimately be fine, but can we not embrace what’s working for families? 

      • Zark00 September 27, 2024 (9:01 am)

        Split classes are part of the elimination of advanced learning at SPS. Talk to a teacher, the split classes are destroying any hope of either grade lever receiving the instruction they need. They are the last ditch effort of a failed SPS administration. Split classes benefit, literally, nobody. 

    • Zark00 September 27, 2024 (8:58 am)

      That closure was a nightmare for us an many other families. We had to change schools after 1st grade, list advanced learning, kid had to leave an hour earlier to commute to the new school. The consolidation you claim was so great ended up being one of the single worst decisions SPS has ever made regarding school closures, the closure, failed maintenance, and rehab cost to reopen Fairmount was, literally, the upgrade budget for two other WS schools. It was a moronic decision, they wasted millions on it, it had negative impacts on student outcomes across the board, and led directly to Lafayette overcrowding including the need for 6 portables immediately to handle the massive overflow of students. 

  • Carole Doty September 26, 2024 (3:51 pm)

    I’ve seen the numbers the district is floating. There were 4000 more students and more staff. So those  numbers are moving together.But what about #s in leadership. How many assistant superintendent do we need? can departments merge, or can a manager over see more than one department?I know there were cuts in departments over the last few years, but were those in management?I don’t want our school to close, but I do realize some school closures may be needed, but first, let’s see the org chart comparison next to the decrease in students /teachers.

  • Admiral Mom September 26, 2024 (5:00 pm)

    Luisa Boren “wildly resourced”?!?!? Sign me up for that. The reality is that there is NO SCHOOL in ur system that is properly and ample resourced. The system has failed to provide free and appropriate education to all students. The ones that feel this failure the most are the students in title 1 schools, students of color, students at schools without a PTA or with a PTA that is unable to fill in the gaps, students without families that can supplement their learning, students that cannot say “if you close my school, I am going private. Reality check folks:  We still have a huge deficit hole that needs to be fixed. Status quo, “saving my school” will hurt the student with highest needs in a real, heartbreaking way.

    • S September 27, 2024 (8:51 am)

      Yes, I was thinking the same thing at the meeting. 

  • SLJ September 26, 2024 (8:05 pm)

    This is really hard for the families that are potentially losing their schools. If that does happen, please know that Highland Park and West Seattle Elementary are excellent schools with caring staff, and plenty of empty classrooms to add more kids. The teachers won’t all be laid off–more kids at these schools means more teachers will be needed. The parent support can transfer to the new school. Busing instead of walking is obviously a down side, but many kids currently bus and they do just fine. It’s a change, and there will be growing pains, but the schools that are accepting more kids are wonderful too. (And yes, I have experienced this years ago with my own kids.)

  • S September 27, 2024 (9:03 am)

    The middle schools are not overcrowded- they actually have room for more students when one looks at enrollment vs building capacity.  The schools have overcrowded classrooms because there are not enough teachers. I wonder if there would be some relief if the middle school teachers from the K-8s move to the neighborhood school. 

    • AMC September 30, 2024 (1:09 am)

      Clearly you have not been in Madison MS. It’s extremely overcrowded. 

  • Zark00 September 27, 2024 (9:04 am)

    CLOSE THE CHARTER SCHOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!  

  • Not a parent September 27, 2024 (7:49 pm)

    I fail to understand what the problem is. There is insufficient funding to run multiple schools so they are closing some and transferring students to others. Are people simply worried about longer commute?

    • Sylvia Oketch September 27, 2024 (10:45 pm)

      It seems like even with the closure the deficit won’t be closed and with less enrollment every year, the will be less students. NOTHING is being solved by this. It’s only letting you disruption of the students and community. The districts need to demand more funding from the state. 

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