Parking problems on the other half of Alki Point Healthy Street

The extensive discussion about the Alki Point Healthy Street in the past few years has focused almost entirely on its south stretch – Beach Drive from Alki Point to 63rd SW. Some of the “permanent” features installed on its north stretch – Alki Avenue from 63rd SW to the point – have led to a problem that multiple nearby residents have emailed us about.

The photo above, from Greg, was taken near the west end of the beach park. It shows a “no parking” sign at left – and cars parked past it, despite the “wheel stops” meant to reinforce the message. He explained that “people continue to park illegally, blocking the turnaround past 64th Place. 64th Place (which has many families with children) has now become an unsafe arterial. Even without cars parked illegally on Alki, most cannot make the tight radius turn and must back up. The most dangerous issue are those who don’t understand the traffic flow past the circle and they DRIVE in the bike lane.” Greg says he had reported it to the city without response before contacting us. So we took it to SDOT, whose spokesperson Ethan Bergerson tells us:

We are considering some adjustments to help address these concerns:

-There is currently a gap between the concrete wheel stops by the bike rack which is large enough for a vehicle to drive through or park. We could add another wheel stop to fill this gap and clarify this confusion.

-We are also considering moving the “Street Closed Ahead” sign to be more visible from a distance to drivers as they approach this cul-de-sac.

For a better view of the “cul-de-sac,” here’s a photo from Jennifer:

We’ll keep watch to see what happens.

69 Replies to "Parking problems on the other half of Alki Point Healthy Street"

  • West Marge August 7, 2024 (1:12 pm)

    How much to fix this previously non-problem?

    • Jeff August 7, 2024 (1:40 pm)

      Parking tickets fix it immediately, at a net gain of money for the city.   Win win!

      • Rhonda August 7, 2024 (9:48 pm)

        So, your answer is to cite/fine the tourists and residents who support local Alki businesses so the owners can feed their families? Pretty shallow.

        • Brian August 8, 2024 (8:39 am)

          Yes absolutely. Break the law and pay the fine. Simple. 

          • Peter S. August 8, 2024 (9:26 am)

            I sure wish that applied to the other “laws” around here, too. 

          • Rhonda August 8, 2024 (12:48 pm)

            Brian, creating situations where once-legal activities are now suddenly illegal on publicly-owned property is a sleazy form of entrapment. In this case, I’m glad SPD is too understaffed to enforce what SDOT has taken from residents and tourists.

          • B Healthy August 9, 2024 (6:07 pm)

            The “changes” have been in place for a month and a half and it’s all well marked. Park where you’re not supposed to and get a ticket. It’s called lazyness. I’ve seen people look at the sign, look at their car, look around to see if there’s a parking cop and decide to take the risk. They’re thinking, “It’s the weekend, I’m not gonna get a ticket by inconveniencing every one else. Then they complain if they get one.

          • Karen August 10, 2024 (10:39 am)

            Rhonda agree wholeheartedly.. this sense of entitlement is horrible ..We  should want to encourage people who don’t have this view all day to come enjoy Alki beach head to the restaurants and enjoy a day at the beach..  it’s a public spot and should remain that way ..so sad that this put in place 

          • k August 8, 2024 (1:39 pm)

            Rhonda, by that logic, enforcing speed limits, red lights, seat belt laws, driving while talking on the cell phone, school zones, and pretty much every other traffic law is a “sleazy form of entrapment”.  Literally every traffic and parking and driving regulation was created to curb once-legal activities that were harming people.  And they change all the time, but they change for a reason and you need to follow them.  It’s sad to have to explain this to someone who is paid by taxpayers to enforce the law.

        • Bbron August 8, 2024 (11:28 am)

          Rhonda, you typically advocate for a “tough on crime” mentality, but that seems to relax when it comes to parking enforcement? which rules in your mind are allowed to be broken for the sake of people feeding their families? when there’s an article about folks stealing and commenters are calling for them to be locked up, i haven’t seen you reply this same sort of thinking that they could be trying to feed their families. and before we start assuming that folks stealing aren’t doing it to save themselves, how come you’ll give parking violators the benefit of the doubt that they will be significantly patronizing local businesses and not just local home owners using the street to store their vehicle?

    • B. Healthy August 9, 2024 (6:17 pm)

      Non problem?!? Really? Watch the video. This is what it was like before. https://vimeo.com/442450997

  • Darren August 7, 2024 (1:21 pm)

    People park past the no  parking sign all over West Seattle. I realize there is more to the problem in this area. It’s frustrating people take advantage. It’s frustrating parking enforcement is understaffed. When you call non emergency (only way to get a PEO dispatched), you can be on hold 30-45 minutes. Even after reporting the issue, you may never get a response depending on the time of day or week. I have noticed these issues long before the pandemic.

  • Brandon August 7, 2024 (1:21 pm)

    The predictable irony of a heathy street making an arterial unsafe.

    • MacJ August 7, 2024 (3:31 pm)

      Alki Ave SW past 63rd isn’t an arterial.

  • Quiz August 7, 2024 (1:57 pm)

    …Or they could just go back to treating it like a normal street.

  • CarDriver August 7, 2024 (2:15 pm)

    On my walks I see a continuous stream of cars and motorcycles driving there. I’m sure it’s asking too much of SDOT to come out of their bunker and actually see what is going on in the real world.

  • Zoomy August 7, 2024 (2:27 pm)

    Leave it up to SDOT to fix problems that don’t exist while ignoring real issues. 

  • Niko August 7, 2024 (2:37 pm)

    SDOT needs to focus on actually repairing roads and other major projects instead of all of this nonsense

    • 1994 August 7, 2024 (10:35 pm)

      Right! What a waste of tax money! We are also considering moving the “Street Closed Ahead” sign to be more visible from a distance to drivers as they approach this cul-de-sac.

  • Lola August 7, 2024 (2:41 pm)

    Who could have seen this coming?  Only the people who kept telling SDOT this was a bad idea.  But don’t listen to the people who made the hundreds of comments………….

  • onion August 7, 2024 (2:59 pm)

    Fix a problem that didn’t need to be solved (with the ‘healthy street’ changes) and they caused other problems. Who would of thunk it?

  • Alf August 7, 2024 (3:21 pm)

    Continues to cost tax payers money for the privileged homeowners really is pathetic , 

  • platypus August 7, 2024 (3:22 pm)

    The problem is cars not respecting parking spots. Write tickets and/or tow.

  • MacJ August 7, 2024 (3:32 pm)

    Car drivers ignore rules, make things worse for those around them, news at 11.

  • Vlad August 7, 2024 (3:35 pm)

    At the very least please remove the “healthy” moniker from this failed program. It’s an insult to sensible urban design, there are so many better ways to spend the money that would be truly healthy.

    • Liffey August 8, 2024 (4:43 pm)

      Right, adding more space for people to walk and bike is not healthy at all. I guess we should go back to allowing parking there 24/7. That’s much healthier and better for the environment. /sI’m insulted by your comment that removing cars and opening up that beautiful view via a thrifty design is somehow poor urban design. IMO, the city significantly improved this street with this project and did it without dropping big bucks. And there’s still plenty of available on the east side of the street people! 

      • AlkiRenter August 10, 2024 (12:38 am)

        Totally agree! I walk/run down the healthy street multiple times a week and have *yet* to see the on-street parking completely full on the Constellation stretch. What I do see are far more people out walking/running without having to step into traffic or walk around a car door. And it’s much more pleasant of a walk without all the cars idling right beside the sidewalk. A huge win!

        • Ross August 10, 2024 (8:30 pm)

          SDOT has completely ruined that road… caused more problems than they have fixed.

  • Ann August 7, 2024 (3:38 pm)

    Now that we have healthy streets and more speed bumps on Alki…that puts the speeders on 63rd with their hot cars and motorcycles.  We need speed bumps too and a traffic monitor (like they have by schools) to give tickets. Hard to enjoy summer with all the noise.

    • 63rd neighbor August 7, 2024 (5:20 pm)

      I agree with Ann! The speeding on 63rd is bad and even worse is how many cars fly through the 4 way stop on 63rd & Admiral. Someone is going to get hit. Plus there’s been a blue van parked for months that blocks sight of the sign. I’ve tried reaching out about better visuals for the stop signs but have been told many times that it isn’t needed. Very frustrating! Please be careful in that intersection because 63rd is a very unhealthy street. 

    • AlkiGal August 8, 2024 (8:16 am)

      I also agree with Ann! We’ve been begging for speed bumps (not the humps) on 63rd. The wide road and end of noise ordinance (that’s not enforced) on Alki Ave makes this street a speedway where cars like to see how quickly they can get 0 to 60 between the stop signs. It’s every. single. morning/day/evening/middle of the night. We regularly see [hear] vehicles going 40+. It doesn’t help that someone’s truck (thinking it might be a worker at Cactus) has a very sensitive car alarm and goes off when even the quieter mufflers drive by. 

      Sadly, my understanding is that they can’t install speed bumps on 63rd due to it being a primary thoroughfare for emergency vehicles who need to get down to Alki.

  • Melissa Aaron August 7, 2024 (3:51 pm)

    I really, really, really wish SDOT would partner with SPD parking enforcement when it makes changes like this. As a cyclist, I’m struck by how much more dangerous the street along Constellation Park is now that the “Safe Streets” plan has been implemented. There are sharrows for cyclists on the car side of the street. Cars are meant to yield to us and pedestrians. Pedestrians have their own path, which I support, and cyclists are meant to ride on the car section of the road; Cars do not yield to us. I have had two cars nearly run into me as they passed the numerous parked cars. There’s just not enough room for cars coming one way and cyclists coming the other way.  Why didn’t SDOT do the math? And why aren’t there traffic cameras or enforcement? It makes no damn sense.

  • Vee August 7, 2024 (3:52 pm)

    ,also a problem for emergency vehicles, need to park in middle of road and if there is someone else blocking , then a real issueThis was a bad idea to start with and not needed and there weren’t problems,I had a lengthy conversation with a police officer who was against this and mentioned now there are problems, a garbage truck that had to get through and no two way access, no one is able to enjoy and use the area anymore, it’s become a private street , signs are totally confusing for those who want to go and enjoy because the signs make it look like they can’t go, it’s so empty of people and before bikers walkers cars could enjoy with no problems, put it back, it’s ridiculous 

    • Ross August 10, 2024 (8:37 pm)

      Absolutely agree. The street is unusable for everyone now…

    • WiseWoman August 10, 2024 (11:03 pm)

      Exactly!

  • Runner August 7, 2024 (3:54 pm)

    The problem as I see it is that many people  choose to ignore the no parking signs because they know the chances of getting a ticket are so low. We see it on Alki Ave where there are clearly no parking signs, and people choose to park there anyway.  If parking enforcement started writing tickets I think it could quickly fix at least some of the issues. 

    • WSLink August 8, 2024 (12:15 pm)

      Illegally parked cars need to be towed and impounded.

  • GHO August 7, 2024 (3:56 pm)

    I don’t typically see this view of the “Healthy” Street, but what I see from the other end is an entirely too narrow space for vehicles coming from opposite directions. Whether it’s to access the remaining parking spaces (wasn’t Benton also suggested as an approved option?), residents, deliveries, services, etc., vehicles can crowd the walk/run/roll portion. The whole stretch may also promote a false sense of security for those not motorized. I fear an inevitable accident.

  • Jay August 7, 2024 (4:52 pm)

    WSDOT gave the Blog a wishy-washy answer. Not impressed. 

  • SLJ August 7, 2024 (5:07 pm)

    People shouldn’t park illegally. But that narrow gap is ridiculous–it’s a 2-way street with room for only one car. How many times does one car have to back up (which is less safe for everyone else) to allow another car through? What a mess that whole thing is, and a waste of money.

  • Derek August 7, 2024 (5:13 pm)

    Car drivers doing entitled things. Slap them an income-tied fine and they stop I bet.

    • Al King August 8, 2024 (5:43 am)

      Derek. Would that change your driving/parking style?

  • Purple Pilot August 7, 2024 (5:32 pm)

    The healthy street program has produced some fantastic assets for the City of Seattle!  Brilliance on display!

  • Kyle August 7, 2024 (7:04 pm)

    They can thank their neighbors on the other side who petitioned for the healthy street in a failed attempt to stop loud music and car clubs gathering outside their homes. The whole thing reeks of the wrong solution to a different problem. That stretch of Alki was already walkable, and the seaside parking great for residents who couldn’t afford to live within walking distance. Now we have unintended consequences, and the Illegal activity still happens. I encourage Alki residents to ask questions for real change like why is it okay for their taxes to fund police response times that are 2 hours plus or not at all? Let’s take public enforcement seriously of already existing laws. This approach may take more time but will likely yield better results to make the area livable for all.

  • oerthehillz August 7, 2024 (7:08 pm)

    Completely confusing to a cyclist’s point of view as well. I felt safer before.

  • HeadOn August 7, 2024 (7:13 pm)

     That whole project was flawed.  Speed bumps would have been fine.  Bad design for bikes.  It made it harder and way more dangerous to travel thru. It reminds me of the maze at the end of the shining. But a cheap version, where you forced into a single lane road with cars driving at you.  Good job!!

  • R-n-B August 7, 2024 (8:38 pm)

    I wish my street was privileged enough to get even a fraction of the attention from SDOT that this tiny portion of Seattle gets. We could actually use speed bumps to slow traffic since we have three fully attended schools in our immediate area.

    • S - In West Seattle August 8, 2024 (6:27 am)

      Agreed have you see the attention “Healthy Streets” gets in other parts of West Seattle. The disposition of funds given to Alki compared to say Highland Park is crazy. All this needs to go away. 

  • 2 thumbs up for healthy street August 7, 2024 (8:47 pm)

    Was filled with joy as I walked along Beach Drive yesterday and the trail of 6 street racing cars were forced to a slow speed due to the narrower street. I couldn’t be happier as prior these same set of cars would have been using Beach Drive as their own personal race track. I no longer had to walk along in fear with my son in tow that the cars would be racing dangerously through the neighborhood. 

  • LTD August 7, 2024 (9:25 pm)

    Weird.  Parking problems in the neighborhood after removing 60 parking spaces from the “Healthy Street.”  

    • WSLink August 8, 2024 (12:00 pm)

      It’s not a parking problem, so much as a people breaking the law problem

  • Concerned, Alki resident August 7, 2024 (10:41 pm)

    After closing beach Drive and instituting the healthy street, the noise on 63rd from racing has increased 10 fold!  It’s dangerous!The racing vehicles can be heard all the way over to 62nd which now has increased traffic also especially on Hinds with people cutting over to 61st.Instituting the healthy street has impacted the entire area in a very negative way!Put speed bumps on 63rd.  61st has multiple speed bumps why doesn’t 63rd? Who do the people on 61st know to get those speed bumps? maybe the same people that the people on Beach Drive know in the city It’s not what you know it’s who you know!

  • Star55 August 7, 2024 (10:56 pm)

    Not surprised at all, yet some people won’t be bothered by people driving or parking in front of their homes.

  • nothend August 8, 2024 (7:26 am)

    From the SDOT pamphlet,,, this was supposed to be a safe place for kids to play hop scotch and ride toys in the middle of the street. What a mess. 

    • 1994 August 8, 2024 (10:18 pm)

      Streets are NEVER a safe place for children to play.  Healthy Streets is not a smart, nor safe, idea.  Pedestrian only zones are safe but Healthy Streets are not.

  • VN August 8, 2024 (8:37 am)

    City of Seattle and SDOT indicated in May that they would be reviewing this 2024 Alki Point traffic modification change this year to see if it should remain or if they should do something different.  I strongly encourage each of you to call/email the mayor, SDOT and Rob Saka’s office to share these concerns.  There has already been one serious accident with a motorcyclist and a pedestrian just walking their dog.  Many community members have expressed concern that it’s only a matter of time before another serious incident occurs.  You voice matter.

    • YT August 9, 2024 (9:18 am)

      I don’t think this healthy street was very well implemented, but the incident involving the motorcyclist and pedestrian was definitely not an accident.  It was an intentional assault by the motorcyclist and not the result of the street design.  

  • Bill August 8, 2024 (10:30 am)

    Sdot refuses to admit this was a handout to rich folks on that stretchRaise hell. Call them all. Donate to their opponents and send a copy of the receipt to themHealthy street needs to go 

    • S - In West Seattle August 8, 2024 (11:18 am)

      You should go see what the street looks like in Highland Park compared to Alki. Definitely a handout to the rich. 

    • WSLink August 8, 2024 (11:26 am)

      I think the solution is to put a lot of carless streets in all neighborhoods to allow people to enjoy their neighborhoods.

    • B. Healthy August 9, 2024 (6:12 pm)

      There are plenty of us non-rich people in apartments on Alki. Here’s why the change was necessary: https://vimeo.com/442450997

  • Kathy August 8, 2024 (1:53 pm)

    I thought the design on the north side was weird at first but it seems to be working fine, people are turning around instead of cruising through, with the exception of a few scofflaw illegal parkers. Make the no parking designation more prominent and maybe paint it on the street. I can see all kinds of bad behavior at the intersection of 63rd and Admiral Way from my bedroom window and I support adding speed humps. However, it is an arterial. The road around the Point was not an arterial but it was being used as such and it is much better now that there are fewer cars cruising through. The people complaining about the design maybe forgot how bad it was before the street closure. Biking around the Point is safe as long as you are not using it as a velodome. Bike in the shared protected lane. Bike at a moderate speed so you don’t jeopardize your fellow humans walking. 

    • SLJ August 8, 2024 (2:18 pm)

      The extra lane is actually designated as a pedestrian lane. The bike lane, with painted bike figures in it, shares with the car lane. That’s one of the weird things about it. There’s now a sidewalk and full lane for walking (way more space than needed), and only one lane for 2-way car traffic and bikes.

      • Bbron August 8, 2024 (3:08 pm)

        this is not correct. the new 10-foot lane is for walking and rolling, and it is called out as such several times throughout the design document. sharrows do not designate bike lanes; they are reminders to drivers to expect bikes to use the road. bikes are allowed to go pretty much anywhere pedestrians can (i believe one of the only exceptions is if there is a road-separated bike lane). here’s the RCW on it.

        • Melissa August 9, 2024 (10:37 am)

          That may be, Bbron, but it’s unclear to cyclists and drivers alike. They’ve made a hash of the signage.

  • KA August 9, 2024 (10:17 pm)

    Those look like legit parking places to me. Paint it yellow, or just get over it. More parking is needed in that area. 

  • Jen F August 18, 2024 (1:17 pm)

    Four cars parked in turn around. Today has been egregious. I did find a feedback form for the healthy street program—not sure it’ll help to give them feedback but it won’t make it worse 🤷🏻‍♀️ https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=RR7meOtrCUCPmTWdi1T0Gx_TulzIrTtHuUQqnM2DnJ5URVVGTVpPTk9ISFNEVFVXUzJIQUgzQjhMTC4u 

    • WSB August 18, 2024 (4:09 pm)

      You called Parking Enforcement, I hope? Don’t know if they’re out there on Sundays but …

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