FOLLOWUP: Workers return to Lincoln Park court-conversion site, with precautionary police

11:28 AM: Workers are putting up fencing this morning at the Lincoln Park site where Seattle Parks plans to convert former tennis courts, long used as storage, into pickleball courts. We went down for a look after getting a tip that police were there too.

No incident was reported as far as we could determine – the officers were apparently there as a precaution, after last week’s report that a project opponent “occupying” the site had “interfered” with workers; the officers were getting ready to leave while we were there. They were heard explaining to a few concerned bystanders what constituted “trespassing.”
We also talked at the site with a Parks manager, Sandi Albertsen. She told us that the informational sign – as noted toward the end of our story about Saturday’s protest at the site – is expected to arrive soon, She also said that in addition to the new overlay for the existing paved pad, Parks plans to make ADA improvements on the west side of the site, improving a trail so the site is more accessible. This view looks toward the northwest, from the south side of the fencing.

If you’re just hearing about this situation, here’s a brief recap: Parks was planning to add pickleball striping to the tennis courts at Solstice Park as part of then-imminent resurfacing (now postponed until next year). Reaction to that led to Parks changing its mind and instead announcing it would use part of a previously received Associated Recreation Council grant to create six pickleball-only courts at this site in Lincoln Park while keeping Solstice tennis-only. The courts might eventually get lighting, depending on additional funding and other factors, Parks said. Opponents who contend that pickleball’s distinctive sound will be bad for wildlife and people have launched a push to at least get Parks to open a public-engagement process about the plan. Parks says it’s not planning to do that and is moving ahead with the project.

ADDED 6:59 PM: We went back before sunset for a look at the fencing and the signage.

That sign was just west of the existing paved area, behind the fencing that stretches out to the west, where Parks told us this morning that “accessbility” work would be done.

Project opponents have attached multiple copies of a flyer to the fence. Meantime, we’ll be asking Parks tomorrow for more specifics on the plan for the extra fenced-off area.

ADDED WEDNESDAY: A police summary from Monday, just released, describes the reason for the response:

On 10-23-2023, at 08:46hrs, officers were dispatched to Lincoln Park for a report of two men with dogs harassing work crews attempting to set up fencing for a proposed pickleball court. Police assisted in resolving the disturbance between both parties.

225 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: Workers return to Lincoln Park court-conversion site, with precautionary police"

  • Admiral Mom October 23, 2023 (11:45 am)

    This is surely bringing back sour memories from the North Admiral “No change to park” crowd 

    • junctioneer October 23, 2023 (3:00 pm)

      I had to look this up. Was there almost a playground at that awful blight of land in Admiral?? That would have been incredible! Wow. What a missed opportunity for what is currently a contender for the worst park in West Seattle. I’m sure someone will comment reasons that it shouldn’t be there, but allow me to shed a tear for the idea.

      • WSB October 23, 2023 (4:54 pm)

        We have an entire coverage archive (reverse chronological as usual) devoted to that, from 15 years ago:
        I haven’t created one for this situation yet but am considering it.

        • Diversityinpark October 26, 2023 (7:48 am)

          When will they stop? Now they have printed up plastic bumper stickers and are applying them to the official notices.  Is graffiti next for these zealots who having lost in there wildly inflated concerns, false charges and publicity antics  over the reuse of old tennis courts?This is in addition to taping paper flyers over the Parks’ required signage.   There were half a dozen  attached to the fence since yesterday, most of them having been removed.What is their defense of  this ongoing  violation of laws and littering? 

          • JustSarah October 26, 2023 (11:32 am)

            Godspeed! Prepare yourself for a response that *you* are the one creating litter, because when you take it down they just must print and tape up more! It sucks, but thank you. Meanwhile, still not seeing the flyers on most of the bulletin boards, where these should actually go… 

          • SE Dick October 26, 2023 (2:59 pm)

            Oh, you *are* a disingenuous bunch, aren’t you? or bottomlessly stupid, or stupid angry and ugly both. I have come to this site, miles from my home–no NIMBY’s home anywhere near–and if every tree surrounding and long buckling from beneath this abandoned expanse of what’s supposed to be impermeable was planted 60yrs ago you’re all geniuses. This is the worst-conceived siting ever forced–and I’ve fought some damn battles. These are old growth trees, among those a mere 60yrs old and 60′ high– and there’s no-one here but me, so maybe word’s gotten out–but if it hasn’t, it’s going to: this should be stopped under Seattle’s garbage tree-protection ordinance, it should be stopped under the burden SMC puts on the “decision maker” of this proposed project to make rational decisions *in service of its stated policy priorities*, not whoever’s ruling from near Solstice, it should be stopped in defense of the natural habitat that’s grown up in the long, long years since the halcyon days Destructive Diversity herself says there was less environmental protection, it should be stopped on the most rudimentary elements of commmon sense. “Not close to a slope”: you don’t deserve a soapbox. Yes, I can hear Fauntleroy from here. Yes, the first ppl I saw here were two morons nearby giving free rein to the only things they love. But I’m standing here now, and I’ve been here for awhile, and I’m only getting angrier–and better informed. Yeah I *had* kinda given up there for a minute, little D, and signed off–but now I’m mad.

          • Diversityinpark October 27, 2023 (7:35 am)

            Thanking SE Dick for traveling all the way to West Seattle! and assuming they missed my comment at the very end of these 208 responses:  “

            It is decided and over.

            Might I suggest a summation (homage?) and adios to SE DICK,

            Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor playerThat struts and frets his hour upon the stage,And then is heard no more. It is a taleTold by an idiot, full of sound and fury,Signifying nothing.” – WS  

            None of the petitions, posters, placards, demonstrations, confrontations or the occupation has changed (besides spending needlessly on fencing), trespass postings, and a police “report of two men with dogs harassing work crews attempting to set up fencing for a proposed pickleball court.”

            To these diehards, please stop disseminated lies.

            Please stop the continuing illegal posting of flyers, littering, defacing Public signs and respect the Park we all love?”

  • Regular Guy October 23, 2023 (11:48 am)

    What a bizarre niche sport to include at the park. When there are perfectly serviceable and hardly utilized courts across the street.

    • Diversityinpark October 23, 2023 (2:06 pm)

      Hardly utilized?

      Those courts were being used for tennis before, during and after the protests yesterday.  
      Those courts were in use this morning.  
      Those courts are reserved for various high schools in the area.  

      I think I can hear the strike of tennis balls right now from my abode.

      • Mary October 23, 2023 (3:54 pm)

        I live a block away and drive or walk past multiple times a day. There are empty courts more often than not.

        • Jeff October 25, 2023 (11:39 am)

          Mary, this is just not true. I also live close. They are HEAVILY used. 

          • Mary October 26, 2023 (3:42 pm)

            Hmm, maybe I am just not passing during the busy hours. See them empty all the time.

    • Mary October 23, 2023 (4:02 pm)

      Agreed. I’m a pickleball player and will not be playing here. Will probably end up abandoned a few years down the road like the horseshoe area. Such a shame that our park and wildlife will suffer for what is most likely a passing fad. Makes me wonder if those who are for this are the weekend crowd and don’t visit our beautiful park for solace during the week. Any who appreciate it will surely be against this.

      • Ryan October 23, 2023 (9:37 pm)

        I would have to disagree with you.  How exactly are the wildlife going to be impacted long-term if this is a fad? 

        • TM October 23, 2023 (9:46 pm)

           How exactly are the wildlife going to be impacted long-term if this is a fad?”

          Construction impacts. Noise while people play, for at least several years, impacting nesting. Trees over the courts- already one redwood has low branches piled with construction debris. It’s the wrong place for this noisy, high db sport. 

        • Mary October 24, 2023 (4:45 pm)

          Good point, I was thinking more about the immediate construction and impact of the next few years though.

      • Tyler October 23, 2023 (9:43 pm)

        Awesome, really excited for pickleball courts to be so close to us!

        • TM October 23, 2023 (11:21 pm)

          I encourage everyone reading this to go down to Lincoln Park, tomorrow.

          Take a look at the area, the fences running from the soccer fields all the way to the rim path. The poorly worded sign- “the main criteria in selecting the court is that it does not conflict with tennis”.  Police, if they are there again tomorrow.

          See how it looks, and feels to you. You may get excited. You may get pissed. I was struck by how incongruous and invasive the whole thing felt. And then with the backdrop of weeks of proponents’ comments that are not thoughtful, rather spiteful, derisive, and misleading- this whole thing has a really bad feel to me. But I strongly encourage you to go and see and decide for yourself- time is of the essence.

      • Duffy October 24, 2023 (8:40 am)

        What does a “weekend crowd” have to do with anything? Isn’t it a public park? See this is the entitled mentality that makes an already absurd situation even worse. Do you feel like you should have more say in what goes on at the park to be enjoyed by all because for whatever reason you frequent the park during the week? Do you find that relevant or meaningful at all? Are you the anointed wildlife protector that speaks for birds and squirrels?

        • Mary October 24, 2023 (4:42 pm)

          A big nope to all your hot headed questions.I was simply stating that maybe the weekend crowd doesn’t get the opportunity to see how serene the park can be at many other hours when it’s not as busy, which is why they may not think it will make a difference.

  • Actually Mike October 23, 2023 (11:48 am)

    O, Seattle, Seattle–my poor lost city! Can’t get a cop when you need one, but two cars of ’em for THIS? My tax dollars at work, apparently… What a travesty this whole business has become! For shame, Mayor Harrell, for shame!

    • Jon October 23, 2023 (8:09 pm)

      3 in Total 

    • Jeff October 25, 2023 (11:46 am)

      Cops exist to protect property, not people. That’s why crime doesn’t go down when you fund them or add staff. They don’t prevent, they just protect property.

  • Actually Mike October 23, 2023 (12:01 pm)

    Well, to be fair: A bunch of tree-huggers chanting and waving signs, and one guy in a folding chair? Woo-hoo! Scary! Although, not like there was an actual CRIME or anything….

    • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (1:34 pm)

      I’m glad to see them there. The guy in the chair has made threats to women on social media after a conversation on one of the posts about the court. Those being threatened warned police and parks department about him because he appears to be unstable. I appreciate SPD for taking this seriously. My tax dollars well spent to protect our community and the workers. 

      • Neighbor October 23, 2023 (1:48 pm)

        Agreed, I saw those comments when they happened and they made me very uncomfortable for those women. The reports to police about his social media behavior made this a potentially violent confrontation. I’m very much not pro-police and I don’t know that three vehicles were necessary. 

        • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (4:08 pm)

          I was one of the women who was private messaged by Lance. Hence my calls to SPD and Parks. I had a great talk with an officer and it’s clear he took my concerns very serious. There was no telling what Lance was going to do to anyone “ for” the pickle ball in person or the parks employees. I can’t imagine the feeling going to work to uncertainties especially have first hand conversation with someone who appears unstable. 

  • Diversityinpark October 23, 2023 (12:14 pm)

    A waste of SPD ?

    How can the activists defend deployment of critically short SPD officers?  
    Two squad cars to allow city workers to do their job.  
    By current history, a couple of people could have been purse snatched, mugged and or car jacked while two SPD units are babysitting park gardeners. 

    Another great episode of West Seattleandia! 

    • John October 23, 2023 (4:35 pm)

      Three squad cars in all one of which had a lieutenant come out

    • TM October 23, 2023 (6:43 pm)

       How can the activists defend deployment of critically short SPD officers?”

      “Activists” (aka concerned citizens, and LP stakeholders) neither called nor warranted police presence in the middle of the park, mid-day Monday.

      Unfortunately someone was shot midday on 35th today while police were called to babysit the workers putting up the fences (which now run all the way to the rim path to the W). 

      Open the plan to public comment and review. This is no way to launch anything. Successful long-lasting solutions involve stakeholder engagement and support. For such an “exciting” and positive project, why is that a threatening idea? Perhaps it’s a good idea, just the wrong place.

      Again, if this was such a welcome idea there would be little to no opposition, and no need to try to rush this through. 

      • WSB October 23, 2023 (7:14 pm)

        There was not a shooting while police were at the park. That happened 3+ hours later.

        • TM October 23, 2023 (7:39 pm)

          Thanks for the correction, and my apologies for the error. I appreciate you running a good show on here, and working for balance and truthfulness.

          But hearing that now 3 police cars were in the park for this? Seriously, if Parks would go through a public feedback and use/impact review, and it came out that it was well supported, and would ultimately have negligible impact, I would be happy to abide by the decision. But I have a good feeling that I know why they have avoided both. 

          • Teti October 23, 2023 (9:04 pm)

            TM – Your comments are spot on. Why doesn’t SPD move forward with a SEPA study? What are they worried about?  Like you, I would support the SEPA findings whether I was pleased with the result or not. Why is Diaz unwilling to do so? Why is he rushing to build this pickleball court?  Why is Harrell, Diaz’s boss, unwilling to respond or help find a solution?Why were solstice park tennis players able to shut down having 3 courts lined for pickleball?Why are so many pickleball players against the Lincoln Park location, and still want solstice tennis courts to add lines for pickleball? So many unanswered questions by City politicians and City employees

      • Erik October 24, 2023 (11:00 am)

        Just because this became a problem for a few people doesn’t mean that it’s the majority that don’t want the pickle ball courts. Lots of comments from people opposed that act like everyone agrees with them when they don’t. Pretty sure this would not have become even remotely a big problem at the west Seattle blog not picked it up for so many articles just because they know they can get the views.

        • WSB October 24, 2023 (11:48 am)

          No, sorry, our coverage decisions are not driven by “the views.” Unlike most news publications, more views here don’t mean more ad money (we sell advertising, our sole source of revenue, at flat rates and haven’t raised our rates in the entire 16 years we’ve been a business). I don’t spend much time digging around in analytics so I’m not even sure what specific stories are getting more views than others – comments or lack of them are not a barometer of “views,” nor are they a driver of coverage – but we cover things because they’re newsworthy, and often because of reader tips. This one dates back to a reader calling our attention to the plan for pickleball striping to be included in Solstice Park resurfacing, and we wrote a story about that, which ultimately led here – TR

          • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (1:16 pm)

            Speaking of views, they are at it again.  Today in Lincoln Park athletic field was another of these misleading flyers cellophane taped to the chainlink fence.  
            If these activists are so worried about wild life, they would not be illegally littering our gem of Lincoln Park with plastic and misleading flyers.
            This time they had folded and tape the flyer for some reason to cover over The New York Times and All things considered links?

          • Mary October 24, 2023 (4:47 pm)

            I don’t think we need to worry about a few pieces of paper and tape, the parks dept has put up their own signs all around the site that are exactly the same.

          • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (8:04 pm)

            Mary, are you actually equating the Required by Law posting to keep trespassers and “occupiers”  out of the work area properly secured with cable ties outdoor signs to illegally attaching paper with cellophane tape?

          • Actually Mike October 25, 2023 (7:40 am)

            At the risk of sounding obsequious, I really appreciate the WSB covering this story. LP is really important to many of us, and Parks and Rec has pretty much tried to sneak the new development into Lincoln Park with hardly any public notice, and with no public hearings or SEPA review. I would never have known about the whole evil scheme if I hadn’t read about it here–so thank you for shining the light on this important issue.

          • Diversityinpark October 25, 2023 (9:27 am)

            Mary, there is a big difference between illegal posting and littering plastics in park and the REQUIRED signage that opponents had noted  was missing.  
            Now the new outdoor signs placed by Parks are securely attached with cable ties to the fence to allow police to arrest trespassers or as some say “occupiers” like Lance and company.
            The extensive fencing and additional signage is not the norm for park workers, nor are hostile interventions or occupiers.  
            If these activists hadn’t violated laws, threatened workers and made so many clearly false claims, we would not be in this situation.
            There is a place for  activists to post their messages, it is on the several sheltered   community posting boards at the entrances to the park.

        • miws October 24, 2023 (12:51 pm)

          Erik, Wasn’t it you (presuming the same “Erik”. if I’m remembering the name correctly), that lobbed another false claim at WSB, which, last I knew you hadn’t apologized to them for, as I suggested you do. I don’t know what your beef is with WSB, but wouldn’t your time (and theirs), be better spent trolling websites that actually repeatedly spew falsehoods? —Mike

  • DC October 23, 2023 (12:21 pm)

    Exciting! I’ve never played pickleball, but a brand new court in a wonderful little park might be just the motivation I need to learn :-)

    • Terremoto October 23, 2023 (2:16 pm)

      Little park?  No, Solstice is the little park that would have made sense to re-stripe.  Lincoln Park is an oasis from city noise and chaos, hence efforts to preserve the space.

      • Teri October 23, 2023 (3:27 pm)

        I agree… add pickleball stripe to Solstice Tennis course. These courts are rarely fully utilized –Even on  weekends and  evenings.  As our rainy and winter weather hits our area the tennis courts are even less utilized by tennis players.  Pickleball can easily be played during wet weather so the tennis courts can be utilized all year longThe arrogance of our new Seattle Parks CEO and Mayor Bruce Harrell is deafening.  

        • JollyRancher October 23, 2023 (10:08 pm)

          “The arrogance of our new Seattle Parks CEO and Mayor Bruce Harrell is deafening.”

          For putting in pickle ball courts? Seems a tad overblown and incendiary for the situation. Oh, the arrogance of pickle ball.

        • Actually Mike October 24, 2023 (12:56 pm)

          “The arrogance of our new Seattle Parks CEO and Mayor Bruce Harrell is deafening.” Yes–deafening, and disgusting. Our parks need many things, but an Emperor isn’t one of them. Bad show by city government on this one.

      • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (4:09 pm)

        It was said time and again that tennis players wanted separate courts from pickle ball. 

        • TM October 23, 2023 (10:40 pm)

           It was said time and again that tennis players wanted separate courts from pickle ball.”At this point it’s been said (hundreds of) time(s) and time(s) again that a significant number of locals want pickleball separate from Lincoln Park. So let’s apply the same rules, eh, and look elsewhere for the noisy new courts.

          For this to be a lasting solution, it needs consensus and proper review. It’s had neither. You should have nothing to worry about if indeed the idea is well supported and holds merit. 

          • Alki resident October 24, 2023 (11:23 am)

            I never worried that it wasn’t going to happen. They already said it was going to happen hence the people not showing up against the protesters. We sat back and watched it all play out. See you by the court. 

          • Actually Mike October 24, 2023 (12:58 pm)

            “See you by the court.” No, Alkie Resident:  See you IN court.

          • Alki resident October 24, 2023 (2:23 pm)

            Lol no you won’t. 

      • Francis Parkman October 24, 2023 (11:57 am)

        Lincoln Park is an oasis from city noise and chaos? Gawd, I can barely stop laughing long enough to type this response. Guessing you don’t spend much time at Lincoln Park. Kids screaming. Dogs barking, running loose. Ferry boat foghorns going off. Cars roaring down Fauntleroy. Some oasis! 

  • Keenan October 23, 2023 (12:24 pm)

    I was there earlier today.   Not only did they fence off the pickleball area, they extended the fence halfway out into the grassy area where people typically play with their dogs and picnic (the same space under consideration for a dog park).  So now that entire field is no longer accessible for people just wanting to use the park as usual.Smirk and snipe all you want about how we’re NIMBY’s who need to check their privilege and so on, but it’s complete BS what the city is doing without any consideration for the the people who actually use the park every day.  They’ve brought in fences and cops and are plowing ahead with their plans and  ignoring our concerns.  This isn’t what Seattle is all about – they’re using force and fences to squash any dissent and we are not going to take this lying down.

    • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (1:55 pm)

      I use the park all the time and this is going to be a beautiful restored gem that was once well used. I’m so excited to see the end results. So are many others. 

    • Diversityinpark October 23, 2023 (1:58 pm)

      Keenan, ironically the “occupier” scofflaws prompted the Parks Dept to cordon off a larger area to be able to do their jobs.  Keeping off leash dogs outside the work areas will help revive the meadow.As it is now, it is a muddy mess unsafe for walking due to numerous dog dug holes.  The park workers are not to blame and should not be taunted or obstructed from the job they are required to do.  The fencing will distance the disturbers. 

      • John October 23, 2023 (4:36 pm)

        I’ve literally walked there several times in the past few days It’s not that muddy There’s definitely evidence of damage from dogs and I saw one very shallow hole but it’s definitely not too muddy to walk on it wasn’t even squishy from moisture

      • TM October 23, 2023 (6:55 pm)

        ironically the “occupier” scofflaws prompted the Parks Dept to cordon off a larger area to be able to do their jobs.  Keeping off leash dogs outside the work areas will help revive the meadow. As it is now, it is a muddy mess unsafe for walking due to numerous dog dug holes“

        Adversityinpark, I was just there tonight. Like the police presence today, I have little doubt that the huge area fenced off (from the soccer fields to the bluff path) was not prompted by “occupiers”, rather suggested by folks like yourself. And a pitted, muddy field? Are you kidding? Nothing like that. Just walked through the whole area, again it’s you who is trying to stir the pot Adversity.

        People, you need to go and take a look for yourselves. The reality of the rushed land grab is stark against the trees and pathways of the park. Find a better location for courts.

        • Diversityinpark October 23, 2023 (10:37 pm)

          Ron a picture is worth a thousand false claims. Photo from today.  

        • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (11:22 am)


          Dog-dug holes make Park Meadow next to tennis courts dangerous for walking.  

          I wish Parks would extend the fencing  out to allow this fragile meadow, now reduced to mud-bare soil and holes, heal.

    • gatewood neighbor October 23, 2023 (2:02 pm)

      If Seattle only listens to the people who use the park, the use of the park will never change.

    • K October 23, 2023 (2:02 pm)

      This quote from the third paragraph of the article above: “She also said that in addition to the new overlay for the existing paved pad, Parks plans to make ADA improvements on the west side of the site, improving a trail so the site is more accessible.” might explain why the fence extends beyond the courts. 

    • VBD October 23, 2023 (2:04 pm)

      I just returned from the field, and had no problem playing with my dog as I do daily.  The fenced area is bigger than just the court area to facilitate the project, but not so big that the play and picnic areas are severely impacted.  The majority of the grass is absolutely accessible.And also, as a daily user of the park, and a neighborhood resident, I welcome the courts.  It will be far better than the ugly utility yard that has occupied that space.  Just because those opposed to the courts were the most vocal does not mean they are the majority.    I noticed as well that many of the protesters were not from the Fauntleroy or Gatewood neighborhoods, yet acted like they were the “true” representatives of the park.

      • Keenan October 23, 2023 (4:00 pm)

        Wow we’re gatekeeping specific neighborhoods now?  I live in the Alaska Junction area and I use the park every weekday.  Just because I can’t see it from my own roof doesn’t mean I’m not a true representative.  What does “true representative” even mean?  Should only property owners be able to have a voice in city policy?  People who’ve lived here at least 20 years? Shall I continue or do you realize now how ridiculous your comment was? Listen VBD, you may think your opinion matters more than mine, but the fact is all of our opinions matter and the city is deciding to ignore them all of them and instead use the muscle of law enforcement to physically intimidate protesters, like authoritarians do.  We get decades worth of land use reviews and public comment and ballot initiatives for every single transit project, but some guy in the parks department and his buddies want pickle ball courts and the bulldozers and cops are on site within two weeks with no public input whatsoever.  Corruption!  Corruption I say!

        • JustSarah October 23, 2023 (5:09 pm)

          The issue is that the people spurring this fight are acting like they speak for all us “neighbors” of the park, and they’re protecting us from some “other” (pickleballers) who will descend on the park in droves and ruin it. They’re gatekeeping first based on how close they live, so some of us who really do live right by the park are pointing out that many of us also love the park yet are ok with this project. 

          • Keenan October 23, 2023 (6:22 pm)

            I never claimed to speak for anyone else.  I said we should have our voices heard, publicly.  Put it to a vote.  At least have a public comment period.  If a majority of residents support the courts, so be it.  The park belongs to all of us and decisions to alter it significantly should be decided democratically, not in some back room.  The parks department is accountable to the people of Seattle, as is every other local government institution.

        • WE83246 October 23, 2023 (7:07 pm)

          Couldn’t have said it any better thanks for saying this! He missed that part when you said the city doesn’t care about ANYONES opinion not even his! Unless he is one of those who contributed to the building of this. He missed the part too about authoritan rule. Now what, what else is next all of Seattle has gone straight to hell.

        • VBD October 23, 2023 (9:18 pm)

          Keenan, my response was with respect to your claim that you are “one of the people who actually use the park every day.”  I just assumed you lived in the neighborhood.    My mistake.  But your claim that the dissenters are being ignored is ridiculous.  It’s right here in the blog.   We’ve all heard the message. What you are ignoring is the possibility that there are a significant number of park users who don’t oppose the courts.   The anti-pickle crowd don’t have any special privilege to determine the park’s uses.   In spite of all the well intentioned propaganda,  the park is not a wildlife refuge,  It’s largely a multi use recreational facility. 

    • Neighbor October 23, 2023 (2:13 pm)

      Most job sites in this city have fencing put around them.  And while having a police presence seems over the top, it wouldn’t have been necessary if the human last week hadn’t interfered with the workers doing their job.  The parks employees have their jobs laid out for them just like you do and have have families to feed and bills to pay and I am sure dealing with this type of stuff isn’t in their job description.  They deserve a safe environment to get their work done and to not be harassed.

    • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (2:51 pm)

      They’re adding some better conditions for ADA which I’m sure will be welcoming to a few..

  • DRW October 23, 2023 (12:55 pm)

    Am I the only one here thinking our SPD resources would be better off busting thugs for ripping people off? Or am I just being a Monday armchair quarterback?

    • TM October 23, 2023 (3:01 pm)

      Agreed 100%. We had an armed carjacking last week, where a pursuing officer located the vehicle and perpetrators and yet was asked to stand down.

      But thinly-supported, no process, rushed pickleball courts in a wooded park- this is a focal point? For those blaming opponents of the pickleball plans, shame on you. There are essentially a group of mostly community elders who are requesting fair process here. The very same people will tell you that in one post that they are either an angry mob, or in another a pathetic little gathering. The most petulant folks have been the proponents.

      It’s very clear that the pickleball folks and Parks had their ducks in a row well before announcing the “plan”. Putting a surprised set of stakeholders on their heels. And they now are rushing to get it done, even using police resources. If it was a great idea, there would be little to no resistance or need for these tactics. Shady, and crappy. 

    • Jim October 23, 2023 (4:38 pm)

      You are 100% correct! And even if there wasn’t something better for them to do the amount of force was excessive. In total there were three squad cars 

    • waikikigirl October 23, 2023 (5:45 pm)

      That’s just ridiculous, I’m sure if a crime was happening and other officers needed help these officers would be right on it, its not like they were told to go there and stay. 

  • bill October 23, 2023 (1:16 pm)

    Of all the dumb things to waste police time on when there are numerous serious crimes daily! I don’t have any interest in pickleball one way or the other, apart from hoping the protestors now realize the ramifications of their silly actions.

    • Teti October 23, 2023 (3:51 pm)

      Wait… it’s the protesters fault?  Remember, the right to protest reflects the freedoms afforded to us in US.   I will always support the right to peaceful protest, whether I agree with the protesters’ positions or not.And before Alki Resident and others go off (again) about the one individual, he has taken the initial feedback and adjusted his verbal approach.  I admire his ability to improve his behavior and approach. The new Seattle Parks Department CEO, who refuses to listen to everyone’s concern and not perform a SePA, is ultimately responsible for the heated discourse regarding this issue.   The Parks Department could easily put all of this to rest by simply agreeing to a SEPA and abiding by the results.  Those of us that are requesting the SEPA are willing to accept the results of it.  He could request a SEPA, but won’t because he is not ‘required’  to do so. I have to ask..why not find middle ground and try to bring all of us together via Environmental/ Scientific data? Mayor Harrell… where is your leadership?  Or is your direction that Parks Department try to find a path forward that we can all live with?  Your silence deafens me.

      • thinktwice October 23, 2023 (5:06 pm)

        AP Diaz (head of Parks) was appointed by Bruce Harrell and Diaz isn’t  from Seattle. He’s from Los Angeles. He has no emotional attachment to Lincoln Park as a nature reserve. In LA Diaz was known for being pro sports in parks – and was part of the Olympics in LA 2028 initiative. want to talk about equity for a minute. Not everyone has access to natural green spaces. Lincoln Park is the largest park on the west side and is still a fraction of of the acreage of Discovery or Seward Parks. This is the place where everyone within 10 miles could enjoy the silence of nature among the birds and big heritage trees. Many who visit here and find sanctuary are not white and not wealthy. There are other places for pickleball. Once Lincoln is gone, it’s gone. 

    • Niko October 23, 2023 (4:39 pm)

      So your stance is that peaceful protest should be met with overzealous police presence and ridicule?!

      • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (11:38 am)


        Illegally obstructing city employees from doing their job is not a peaceful protest, which is legally done like the poorly attended one last Saturday.  

        “Occupying” is without a doubt what these people admitted to doing.  
        Completely different.
        Like Jan 6, it is a peaceful protest until you OCCUPY, then it is a crime.  

        As far as blocking people from doing their legal jobs, it can compare to Right to Life activists BLOCKING people from accessing legal women’s clinics.  

        Again, we allow protest, but do not allow preventing individuals from exercising their rights. The park workers have a right to work and we have responsibility to allow them to be able to accomplish the work. 

    • Zipda October 23, 2023 (10:51 pm)

      I think it’s our constitutional right to fervently protest both against pickles and balls.

  • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (1:40 pm)

    For those who are unaware of the back story, the police and parks were alerted to the person sitting in the chair a week ago because he made threats towards women on social media after a post about the court. I’m very happy to see the police taking it seriously and allowing the workers to do their job. Much appreciated SPD, thank you. 

  • Steve October 23, 2023 (1:44 pm)

    Maybe while the police are there they  can tell people walking their dogs to keep them on a leash and off the beach. Something useful anyway.

  • flimflam October 23, 2023 (1:49 pm)

    So strange how parks dept is moving at light speed with this project…

    • Patty October 23, 2023 (8:29 pm)

      Yes, they’re not following the process – trying to call a space used for storage for the last 40 years “an existing court”. It’s deceptive and an unethical way to conduct city business.

    • Jim October 24, 2023 (12:00 am)

      They even have a sign down there on the fence that calls “environmental materials storage” 

  • Genesee5Points October 23, 2023 (1:57 pm)

    So excited to have another place to play Pickleball with my elderly father and my 9 year old daughter. Pickleball has been such a wonderful way for our multigenerational family to stay fit and compete in sport together. Watching my father impart sportsmanship, fair play and competition to his granddaughter has been a joy to watch. If you were to ask my Dad, Pickleball is, keeping him “young”. Thank you Seattle Parks for keeping up with the demand of the fastest growing sport for that past five years. This is what a GREAT use of tax dollars looks like.    

    • pickleballplayer October 23, 2023 (4:56 pm)

      You can point to the trees surrounding the court and tell your daughter, “that’s where Barred Owls lived for thousands of years until now” and “that field is where people used to walk to get away from the noise of the city.” Maybe even the trees will be gone then, to keep the courts free of debris. So, you can just point at the stumps.Plenty of room for your family to play at Highpoint, Delridge, and Riverview courts – or any of the 40 other courts in the city.  We will continue to welcome you there.

      • Patty October 23, 2023 (8:32 pm)

        From one pickleball player to another, well said! This reminds me of the brilliant commercial Zipline idea that the parks tried to ram through about 15 years ago. Can we please keep some nature in the city?! Preserve Lincoln Park for future generations!

      • Scarlett October 23, 2023 (8:46 pm)

        The Barred Owl is a recent transplant to the PNW.  Not trying to be pedantic, but it is important to be accurate when we discussing what is native, and what isn’t.  People would be suprised at how much fauna and flora  in West Seatle that is considered native, is not at all. 

      • Sara October 23, 2023 (10:05 pm)

        EXACTLY. As a long time enjoyer of Lincoln Park for its peace and quiet and wildlife, I am SO disappointed by the city’s choice. 

      • JollyRancher October 24, 2023 (6:58 am)

        Again with the wild hyperbole and histrionics.  As noted below, the owls are a recent transplant. And no, no one is mowing down all the trees in Lincoln Park.  It’s a simple project converting an area that was being wasted on storage to something people will actively use. You know, a primary purpose of a park. And there is still plenty of space in the park where you can go to get away from others and be in nature.  The notion that a neglected storage area has somehow become the last bastion of urban nature in Seattle is a tad ridiculous.  

  • K October 23, 2023 (2:07 pm)

    Welcome to the priorities of SPD.  Homeless people sleeping on a bench?  Cops are there.  Angry pickleball opponent?  Cops are there.  Someone totals your car in a hit-and-run?  Good luck to ya, buddy!  When other city or state agencies have poor priorities, everyone clamors to tighten the reigns on their budget, but cops are special and very, very precious so the more they waste limited resources, the more money we’re supposed to give them.

    • Alki resident October 24, 2023 (2:28 pm)

      I guess you missed the comments on why they actually responded. Kudos 

  • Terremoto October 23, 2023 (2:14 pm)

    The first problem is no community involvement, second is no environmental impact statement. Just rushing this through. Makes me wonder what the real reason is for such a rush to erect 6 pickleball courts w/noise pollution adversely affecting serenity of Park for humans and wildlife. Once it’s ruined, it’s ruined.  Lots of other pickleball courts in WS, just check ARC.

    • Teti October 23, 2023 (3:53 pm)

      Well said!

      • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (2:12 pm)

        “The first problem is no community involvement, second is no environmental impact statement. Just rushing this through.” !!!

        The same could be said about the Troll.  
        It was secretly rushed through and changed the use of that park area which is in a Waterfront, Landslide and Steep Slope ECA Designation, as opposed to the tennis courts which do not near any ECAs.  
        Was there community involvement?
        Was there an environmental impact statement?
        Was a sign placed in a timely manner before fencing?
        Were ‘stakeholders’ notified?

  • The Mad Pickler October 23, 2023 (2:15 pm)

    This is about as funny as it gets.  The drama never ends!   Who would ever have  guessed that some pickle ball courts would be next big controversy after the bridge shutting down.   Hate to use personal experience as a way to make a point but in my 10 years of visiting LP I don’t think I’ve  ever really visited that side of the park because it’s usually the “loud” side of the park to me.   I feel bad for people  who think LP feels like nature.  Probably should go for a jaunt to the actual woods.  Anywho I’ll be back a 9 to nom nom nom on all the comments.

    • Cat Girl October 24, 2023 (7:01 am)

      A lot of people in this city don’t have cars to drive to “real nature” as you call it. I can’t drive because I’m disabled and if I want to spend some time among trees I go to LP. Pickleball is incredibly loud and will be heard all over the park. It’s not funny, it’s sad and it’s hurtful to local wildlife and to people who enjoy the park as an oasis. 

  • Quiz October 23, 2023 (2:40 pm)

    Glad they are there. Happy to see them getting to work. Unfortunate they felt the need to have a police escort.

  • PT October 23, 2023 (2:46 pm)

    Can anyone tell us all why the tennis courts were moved out of the park in the first place? Seems like a reasonable question…

    • Patty October 23, 2023 (3:11 pm)

      In the 70s the tennis court in the park was very lightly used. The courts out on Fauntleroy Ave were popular and used a lot. I can’t remember when they closed the court and started using it for storage – 80s or 90s?

    • Tbone October 23, 2023 (3:39 pm)

      They built the courts at solstice park…also no one was maintaining the existing tennis courts because of all the litter from the trees, the same thing will happen on the courts they are putting in.

      • Actually Mike October 23, 2023 (7:53 pm)

        No, silly–tree debris won’t be a problem in the *New, Improved* Lincoln Park. They’ll just need to have a couple of guys with gas-powered leaf blowers clear the pickleball courts early each morning. With a couple of SPD units to watch and make sure they do it right.

      • Patty October 23, 2023 (8:35 pm)

        True… I do reminder tree debris on the old court. 

    • John October 23, 2023 (4:49 pm)

      It’s my understanding that they didn’t have any lighting, they got dirty from the trees dropping stuff and they just weren’t being used that much.

      • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (12:36 pm)

        Your understanding is incorrect.  

        I played on those courts hundreds of time while playing for Chief Sealth High School in the late sixties.  
        The lights for these tennis courts were controlled by a mechanical timer on a light pole for each court.  
        This was particularly memorable due to the light suddenly turning off in the middle of a rally!  
        We had to run over and twist the timer back on.  
        The timers reduced lighting to only when the courts were being played.  
        Now we see automatic controlled lights that turn off at a certain time but have no sense of when they could be saved, like when the courts are not being used.

        • Jethro Marx October 24, 2023 (4:31 pm)

          Analog lighting switches are the way to go. It’s too bad everyone is getting all ruffed up about this; I think repurposing a court with sporting provenance is a great way to found a team with local flavour. I think they ought to be called the Bar Dowels. 

  • Parentof2 October 23, 2023 (2:46 pm)

    Irony – City wants input from citizens for so many things. But when we decide this is not something we want, they totally shut their ears. Pickle ball is a great sport, plenty of courts already exist that could also be stripped for dual sports. Leave nature be. Have people been after the City to refurbish the tennis courts for use? Again did it fall on deaf ears?

    • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (4:21 pm)

      A lot of people wanted this so it definitely didn’t fall on deaf ears. Some people couldn’t handle the decision and wanted to make it a bigger deal than it needed to be. The tennis community and the pickle ball community have no interest in sharing courts. 

      • Denise October 23, 2023 (9:35 pm)

        A hundred people at most want pickleball in Lincoln but over 4000 don’t. And counting. 

        • TM October 23, 2023 (9:58 pm)

          Per Alki President’s earlier posts she’s let Puyallup and Auburn pickleball groups know about the pending courts, and there is so much excitement from their sides that we are to expect to reap economic benefits. I guess that’s the least we should expect from leveraging our rare public resources (Lincoln Park, and apparently a paucity of courts for pickleballers in Seattle) to accommodate our out of city guests.

          Alki, thanks for rolling out the red carpet for them while constantly attempting to belittle your neighbors’ valid concerns around the park.

          • Alki resident October 24, 2023 (11:33 am)

            Where are you quoting me saying I let groups know? I simply said my son in law lives in Puyallup and he’s from West Seattle. But besides that, did you know “ groups” of people come on buses all the time to the park? They come in groups on buses to Alki too, what’s the hang up? Do you think locals just stay in local parks all the time or venture to other parks? 

        • Alki resident October 24, 2023 (11:29 am)

          Where’s your statistics? There are 5 million pickle ball players. If like you say only 100 want it there, then I guess that won’t bring as much “ noise” as you all drummed it up to be. Mind you there are 4000 mislead people out there who were not told true information. See you by the court. 

  • Patty October 23, 2023 (3:07 pm)

    So the Urban Bird Treaty that I attended in 2017 with parks representatives and numerous city officials is now meaningless?

    • SE Dick October 23, 2023 (4:34 pm)

      It was meaningless then, Patty–‘watch the Virtue we say, kiddos! not the debased we do’. Now it’s mocked or forgotten. And so it goes.

      • Patty October 23, 2023 (8:48 pm)

        Wow, that’s sad. My son was asked to be the youth representative for  Audubon (now Birds Connect Seattle) and gave a speech on the day of the signing in Lincoln Park. The Seattle Parks Superintendent spoke of the importance of the treaty as well. The new Parks Superintendent should honor what has been agreed upon – “to protect and preserve urban habitat for birds.”

    • Diversityinpark October 23, 2023 (6:46 pm)

      Here’s the “treaty,”  but what part is being violated? 

      *Protect, restore, and enhance urban/suburban habitats for birds.
      *Reduce urban/suburban hazards to birds.
      *Educate and engage urban/suburban citizens in caring about and conserving birds and their habitats.”

      • Patty October 23, 2023 (8:54 pm)

        The parts that will be violated are protecting and preserving the habitat. This is a forested area where many native birds live, and migratory birds stop through. The noise from pickleball is disruptive, and will chase many birds out of the area. The lights are very disruptive and disorienting for migrating birds and for the owls hunting for food. The habitat is right there where the court is located.

        • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (1:17 am)

          To make that argument,  tennis courts would be required to be defined as the “habitat.”  
          If you read the “treaty,” it is not binding and one of its three primary bullets is education of children, which the protesters have shown no interest in accommodating.
          And since the “treaty” covers all of Seattle including all other streets buildings and paved or developed areas, such a reading of our “treaty” would  prevent all projects and city activities.

  • KT October 23, 2023 (3:19 pm)

    It certainly seems like the School Department and Parks Department both went to the same training on building community relations.  I have no interest in this one way or another but didn’t you just report on two street robberies last night (and how many more in the last month to include carjackings?) and here we have a ridiculous deployment of allegedly critically short police resources.  Just shaking my head.    

  • Rhonda October 23, 2023 (3:20 pm)

    So, two SPD officers are watching city workers who are in absolutely ZERO danger  while vulnerable residents are being mugged and car-jacked in expensive areas of West Seattle. The height of absurdity.

    • justjosh October 23, 2023 (5:08 pm)

      Does it only matter if bad things are happening to people in the “expensive areas of West Seattle”?

    • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (7:19 pm)

      Rhonda like I explained above, there was absolutely good reason police were there and it was warranted. 

      • Actually Mike October 23, 2023 (7:44 pm)

        Yeah, you explained it and you’re just wrong as far as I can see. With a critical shortage of SPD when and where they’re needed, tying up several officers and patrol vehicles to watch fencing be installed when there was no real threat to anyone is just nonsense.

        • Alki resident October 24, 2023 (10:39 am)

          Well Mike since you weren’t one of the people threatened online you can’t judge how stable the guy was. Therefore you can’t say how important it was for the police department to make the decision to be at the park to be watchful for the employees sake. This wasn’t about fences. It was about humans. I guess had your family member been a parks employee maybe you’d think differently. 

          • Actually Mike October 24, 2023 (1:07 pm)

            Yeah, I always run the other way when I see a cranky guy in a lawn chair. Scaaaary! No crimes have been alleged or reported in connection with anti-pickleball-at-Lincoln Park activities, as far as I’m aware, and city employees I’ve seen at LP haven’t seemed too terrified. Mostly just you, bub.

          • JustSarah October 24, 2023 (5:14 pm)

            He was harassing women, specifically. His screeds referred only to women, and the harassing DMs went only to women. 

  • sayonara October 23, 2023 (3:59 pm)

    I will be actively campaigning against those involved in this decision (and those not speaking up – looking at you Lisa and Bruce)  in the next election. NOT engaging the public in this decision and ignoring over 3k in petition signatures is not what I expect from democratically-elected officials. I am a pickleball player, a West Seattle resident, and a Lincoln Park regular — there have been zero attempts to engage me or folks like me prior to this decision. Any mention of ‘community engagement’ by Park must have been them asking some folks in Seattle generally what they would like from parks and folks saying ‘pickleball’. I”m pretty sure Parks didn’t ask ‘would you like 6 pickleball courts in the middle of the largest natural sanctuary on the west side, plus lighting to disrupt the birds’? I expect more from my government.

    • justjosh October 23, 2023 (5:07 pm)

      Lisa Herbold isn’t running for city council, so congratulations? 

    • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (7:47 pm)

      There used to be lighting at the court. Once money is raised, lighting will be restored. 

      • TM October 23, 2023 (10:02 pm)

        Once money is raised, lighting will be restored”

        Pickleballers haven’t raised any money for the Lincoln project. Maybe it’s your Auburn and Puyallup folks hoping to chip in and pay part of their way?

        • Alki resident October 24, 2023 (10:34 am)

          You strangely seem to have an issue with folks who go to other parks not close to their home. I wonder if people are offended when I go to Gasworks or Golden Gardens.. Because after all, I’m eating over there too and putting money into their community. Maybe I should just be staying home and make a sammich . One of the posts said there wasn’t funding for lighting which used to be there and since it’s dark by 7 now, there’s no reason to not have lighting. If a platform wants to make a decision and ask for funds, I’m sure those of us who actually play pickle ball will be have to contribute. And I’m not sure why you mock people from other areas coming here to play. All high school football players travel to other areas, well so do pickle ball players. West Seattle is a nice place to show off whether you believe that or not. 

        • Diversityinseattle October 24, 2023 (12:56 pm)

          I will be happy to contribute money to establish new highly efficient focused state of the art pickleball specific lighting.And I have never played pickleball

  • VN October 23, 2023 (4:04 pm)

    This pickle ball court addition next to the slope where hawks, eagles and osprey have their nests does seem to be in direct violation of the Urban Bird Treaty agreement.   Thank you for the reminder.

    • John October 23, 2023 (4:47 pm)

      I saw an eagle there flying over the spot just this afternoon. Had a few errands to run and went back a few hours later and I could still hear it trilling in the area

      • Diversityinpark October 23, 2023 (6:57 pm)

        A rare sighting the old days, but common now in West Seattle.  
        In 1963 there estimated to one 417 nesting pairs in the Lower States, now there are about 71,400 nesting pairs.,eagles%2C%20including%2071%2C400%20nesting%20pairs. 

        Lincoln Park is almost as reliable for Bald Eagle sightings as it is for Eastern Gray Squirrel sightings (those cute fat ones that animal lovers feed peanuts and are everywhere in the park and are non-indigenous visitors who evicted the indigenous squirrels and the wonderful striped chipmunks of my youth.   

        • John October 23, 2023 (8:19 pm)

          I didn’t realize the chipmunks in native squirrels had been driven out so recently :( But they’re part of the ecosystem now not too much that can be done

        • JustSarah October 23, 2023 (8:41 pm)

          RIP, Douglas squirrels! Now I only see you on the O.P. or eastern WA! Also, I used to work for a company running operations out of Alaska. Bald eagles were basically pests there. 

    • SE Dick October 23, 2023 (5:14 pm)

      SMC 25.05.675 N.1.b:  Local wildlife populations are threatened by habitat loss through destruction and fragmentation of living and breeding areas and travelways, and by the reduction of habitat diversity.  2.a: It is the City’s policy to minimize or prevent the loss of wildlife habitat and other vegetation which have substantial aesthetic, educational, ecological, and/or economic value. A high priority shall be given to the preservation and protection of special habitat types. Special habitat types include, but are not limited to, wetlands and associated areas (such as upland nesting areas), and spawning, feeding, or nesting sites.

      • Diversityinpark October 23, 2023 (7:20 pm)

        Really SE Dick?  
        This is a concrete slab that pre-existed those codes by half a century. 
        It is defined as “Grandfathered,” so even if you can reimagine the pavement as a spawning, feeding  or nesting site, it would still be grandfathered.  
        This is the same for many house sites that were established before restrictions for setbacks from steep slopes and waterfront.  
        Many homeowners and remodelers of dream house utilize the old “grandfathered” footprint because it is more desirable and not allowed for new construction.

        • TM October 23, 2023 (7:46 pm)

          Adversityinpark, can you point to the codes where this slab is grandfathered for use for pickleball courts?

          • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (1:00 am)

            Of course that is a ridiculous rhetorical question as pickleball had not been invented.
            I can’t even point to any codes nearly a hundred years ago for tennis courts same as those coveted old houses in our neighborhood.  
            Houses and tennis courts, they are both “grandfathered.”

            Similarly, can you cite a code that requires SEPA for resurfacing and painting a tennis court?  

        • SE Dick October 23, 2023 (8:17 pm)

          <sigh>. Old man. VN said the slab is “next to the slope where hawks, eagles and osprey have their nests .”   I don’t personally know that to be true, or how far “next to” is. I just offered our great City’s stated policy. Now while one can see here here that some folks have a child’s comprehension of what “destruction” might mean, and are furiously certain that that’s all there is to know, I wasted a lot of words trying to communicate that noise–noise–can destroy: by driving birds away, by stressing them in the same way the noise stresses ppl all over the country, so that their fertility’s impacted, or their chemistry, so that their eggs are thin, and fail. That’s impact on nesting. Cupajoe somewhere here points out brilliantly that that’s a high price to pay–if you give a damn, tho nothing if you don’t–when it’s completely unnecessary. It’s a high price to pay when it gives the lie to alleged City policy priority, and to greenwashing like Urban Bird Treaties. But with people like you chiming in that because something was or was not there 60yrs ago, like segregation, like DDT, like My Lai (bless you, Rusty) something sorta the same but consequentially different–pop! pop! pop! pop!–is Entitled! Grandfathered! to be there, I say, ahh, to hell wit it. The word ‘yahoos’ is lost to us, marketed into meaninglessness; national leaders model nonsense as debate. I’d gladly sit across a table with you or any of you righteous wrongheaded fans of a fad that effs with everything and everyone around it and beat every aspect of this dispute into submission one way or the other–if you’d agree to be bound–and I mean *bound*, *tight*, no wiggle, no denial, no turning away–by the rules of logic–and I mean as we find it! It’s a thing! with very hard and fast rules! Not just what you think makes sense! 2+2=4 is logic! There’s a written rule for that!–the law as written, and a Webster’s dictionary. Let’s put it on YouTube. You name the day.

          • TM October 23, 2023 (11:07 pm)

            This is an awesome and reasonable offer. I’d love to see people take you up on it. The proponents who attended the rally didn’t bother talking to protesters, and reported back falsehoods about the event in order to continue their spin campaign. Time to put it all on the table, and accept the result, whatever it may be. That shouldn’t be scary to anyone who knows they are right.

          • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (1:33 am)

            Sure I would be happy for a civil factual discussion.  

            I would appreciate the same from others.

            Name calling and derision followed by a taunting challenge are not what some consider an “awesome and reasonable offer”.
            Interesting character, though.  
            Reminds bit of Don Quixote both the long hallucinating rantings of the Knight Errant and equally astonishing repartee of Sancho’s nonsense.
            I think I would enjoy meeting such a character?

          • SE Dick October 24, 2023 (9:59 am)

            There were already strict conditions (no sign of recognition from you, surprise, surprise) and there would be more. I was thinking of a stage, a WS auditorium, an expert moderator who’d shut every fallacious verbal pants-poop down–let you start again, do that two times a turn… but then what was supposed to happen? The evening would be over, you or TJ or Alki would be humiliated, and Patty would be weeping over my bullet-riddled corpse. Nah, big D, it was a late, enraged bad idea. There isn’t one person here making noise like you do that deep down actually believes their miserable excuse for an argument’s factually, logically right. And y’all want so badly to be, no matter where the math takes you, that when reason really traps you some of you get nasty. Dangerous, these days. If this were Mayberry, Bedford Falls, and we could get the town council to agree to let the fate of this sneaky, small-minded–great word, TM–crappy proposal ride on you or any of you debating me, I’d purposefully beat you rhetorically into a conceptual bloody pulp, save Nature from you Yahoos and let the infuriated mob in the audience rend my body. But put myself in front of that crowd, in WS or on YouTube, just for the novelty of meeting you? Thanks, no. It’s all a colossal, tragic waste of thinking ppl’s time, and far from novel. Alki brought that resoundingly home at 8:48 last night, having given me the best long laugh I’ve had in awhile at 7:49. Nah. Seward will be wrecked over time, and somebody said Lincoln’s smaller. Paradise is bigger, but it’s taking too many hits too. More than worth my time, my life, but now become impossible. Windmills. Done. Enjoy yourselves. Enjoy yourselves. It’s later than you think. I humbly defer.

          • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (11:08 am)

            A bit surprised by SE Dick’s response for my plead of civility.

            It appears they is still frustrated by the intricacies of the Seattle notoriously confusing codes, so I am enclosing links for their perusal, digestion and regurgitation.
     municipal_code  SMC 25.05 

            Or just call (206) 684-8850 direct line to talk to permit and zoning specialists at Seattle Department of Construction and Inspection.  
            SE Dick can also fill them in with their interpretation of Seattle’s densely baroque codes.
            And they can file a formal grievance, fill out the online complaint form for illegal activity.

    • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (7:49 pm)

      The court is not near a “ slope”. 

      • Diversityinpark October 23, 2023 (9:25 pm)

        That is correct it is not even close to the buffer set back from the the slope and it is not in either King County or Seattle designated critical area as falsely claimed by a NIMP (NotInMyPark) spokesperson on today’s TV News.

        • TM October 23, 2023 (10:21 pm)

          Adversityinpark, you act like you are familiar with the codes- please supply a link to the grandfather clause equating tennis use 30 years ago with 6 pickleball courts now. Rendering the need for a review moot. Not Parks’ statement, but the actual basis and published code and definition. We’re waiting.

      • TM October 23, 2023 (10:57 pm)

         The court is not near a “ slope”. 

        The court is about 100’ from the slope due W. The slope that is currently about 20’ from the brand new construction fence. I recall reading on pickleball blogs that at 100’, pickleball sounds measure at 70db.

        But that’s right- “we used to play tennis there 40 years ago and the birds didn’t care”. Or “wild animals die and move around”. Or “we’re getting our courts, and it’s too late for you neighbors who have other ideas”. Sorry, forgot who I was dealing with. 

        Let’s air this process out if there’s going to be significant new use for years to come. Public comment period, and actual enviro survey. If it’s well supported and the impact is negligible, I’ll be happy to accept that. Can you say the same, if it turns out otherwise? 

  • K October 23, 2023 (4:06 pm)

    SPD continuing their legacy of only doing the work they want to, and non-emergency parking wherever they want to. 

    • Niko October 23, 2023 (4:48 pm)

      Don’t forget excessive force. There were less than five protesters there who weren’t being confrontational or violent. Three SPD cruisers showed up including a lieutenant

      • WS Res October 24, 2023 (8:44 am)

        “Police showing up” is… not what “excessive force” means.

  • Rusty October 23, 2023 (4:30 pm)

    Do you remember the Seattle 7? That was me.Well, and 6 other guys….

  • Leon Jackson October 23, 2023 (5:25 pm)

    I don’t mind the courts but sure would like someone to just clean the bathrooms once a week. 

  • TJ October 23, 2023 (6:11 pm)

    And yet the hawks, eagles, and osprey will still be nesting on the slope when the courts are finished. It’s a urban park, not a wildlife sanctuary or refuge. Made for human recreation. Head to Schmitz Park if you don’t want any recreation in a wooded park.  And no habitat is being destroyed in this as well so that citation above means nothing. This is looking like a child not getting there way and throwing a tantrum. 

    • TM October 23, 2023 (8:49 pm)

      Head to Schmitz Park if you don’t want any recreation in a wooded park”

      Head to any of the dozens of pickleball courts in the city if you want to play your noisy game. Fair enough? 

  • Cupajoe October 23, 2023 (6:53 pm)

    Okay, I can’t take it any more!!!  The fact that, somehow, the Solstice Park tennis courts, (6) which almost never get used, maybe (2), has not been the solution, blows my mind!!!  Somebody in the Parks Department lives in West Seattle and plays tennis.  The only one.  Meanwhile we wait our turn at Walt Hundley for a game on the official courts.    My wife and I go use the tennis courts at Solstice on a regular basis and play pickle ball all the time!!!  There is never anyone there!!!  The sign from 1983 says “Tennis only.”    What wasted space!!!  The easiest solution to this entire problem, is to turn three of those tennis courts into pickleball courts.  This is not that hard!!!!!!

    • Patty October 23, 2023 (8:57 pm)

      Exactly! This is really ridiculous! 

      • wscommuter October 24, 2023 (8:27 am)

        Factually untrue, Cupajoe.  The Solstice courts are regularly used for tennis.  At this point, Solstice are the only courts left in W. Seattle that have not been converted for pickle ball too.  Pickle ball is played at the tennis courts at Hiawatha, Alki, Hundley, and now Sealth too.  The tennis community asked that one set of courts be left for just tennis – we have surrendered on all the other existing courts.  I have no position on the Lincoln Park plan, but please don’t make false statements about Solstice use for tennis.  Those courts are regularly used in full by tennis players.  Solstice Park is not and should not be at all a part of the Lincoln Park debate merely because it is across the street.  The tennis community has already lost all the other courts to sharing with pickle ball.  

        • JustSarah October 24, 2023 (10:09 am)

          Anecdata: I was headed to the Junction around 2:15 Tuesday last week and noted only one of the Solstice courts was available. 

        • Mary October 24, 2023 (4:54 pm)

          I see them empty more often than not, and 80% of the time there’s at least 1 court still open. If we needed courts so bad they could have left the lowman court. This is shady and someone with money wants it.

    • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (9:28 am)

      Miracle on Fauntleroy!!!

      Tennis players sighted at Solstice Park tennis courts this morning! 

  • SE Dick October 23, 2023 (6:59 pm)

    “habitat loss through destruction and fragmentation of living and breeding areas and travelways.”  Big words, long sentences, complexities. Know-nothings. So it goes.

  • Greenie October 23, 2023 (7:52 pm)

    I don’t understand the urgency for Parks to expedite this installation amidst all the other project backlogs. Pickle ball court installation got fast tracked mean while kid playground reconstruction ( south Lincoln and West crest) has taken a lifetime ..I thought the protest was funny at first,  but now I’m agreeing more and more that Lincoln Park should not be further developed and that nature preservation prioritized. 

    • John October 23, 2023 (8:18 pm)

      I’m Glad you’ve come around to realizing it’s more about pickleball. I’ve taken the last few days during my walking time in the park to photograph some of the stuff that needs dire attention. Like this railing for example which has been damaged from a tree fall for years. The caution tape has been there so long that it’s sunfaded and starting to deteriorate. It’s rotten in some places and where you can see the leaves growing through towards the right hand side of the frame There’s actually a whole section of the fence there that’s just missing

    • Alki resident October 23, 2023 (8:48 pm)

      It’s not a development, it’s being repurposed from a tennis court to a pickle ball court. It’s been there for years 

      • TM October 23, 2023 (10:25 pm)

        If it’s just being repurposed to a new use, that opens a whole swath of options. How did noisy pickleball become the de-facto choice?

        • Mary October 24, 2023 (4:56 pm)

          Until this time it has been “repurposed” for storage.. has anyone heard where the storage will go in the park now?

          • WSB October 24, 2023 (5:09 pm)

            Parks has said it would move to the maintenance area at the far north end of Lincoln Park.

          • TM October 25, 2023 (9:55 am)

            Parks has said it would move to the maintenance area at the far north end of Lincoln Park”

            If this is true, is this the basis for Parks’ big emissions savings claim? 150 yards’ drive intermittently?

      • Patty October 23, 2023 (10:30 pm)

        It hasn’t been a tennis court for decades, It’s been a parks storage area since tennis was removed, so it is more of a development than a repurpose.

        • Diversityinseattle October 24, 2023 (8:11 am)

          What is being developed?   

          This could be compared to someone putting a Peloton exercise bike on their Craftsman house’s porch.  after which ‘concerned citizens’ demanding SEPA for change of use, ie  Adirondack  to Peloton.
          Fortunately, the Seattle Municipal Code is quite well developed (pardon the pun?) and leaves little room for creative  speculative interpretations  such as the wild ones being suggested in these comments.

          • Jay October 24, 2023 (11:07 am)

            The surface is being replaced. It’s about as big a project as one of the playgrounds.

          • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (1:05 pm)

            Jay, the surface is not being replaced as you claim.  It is being resurfaced.  That is akin to painting your house  as opposed replacing the whole wall (which would be a big project).

      • SE Dick October 23, 2023 (10:35 pm)

        And there it is! 8:48pm Mon Oct 23, after more than two days and 273 posts ranging from a single word to hundreds, lectures to babble, somebody who’s barked the whole time weighs in as though it’s morning in America and they’ve never entertained a thought! Somebody break out their copy of the US Constitution and quote me some Groucho Marx or Chris Rock, *please*! I’m *dyin* here! with the natural world and Democracy. Every faith ever practiced, mocked by this thing. All this anonymous nonsense. I’m so sad for your son, Patty.

    • WS Res October 24, 2023 (8:43 am)

      The playground issue has been 1) finding a contractor willing to bid on the job, and 2) backorder of playground equipment due to the pandemic supply issues. As has been stated here and elsewhere multiple times.

  • bigfoot October 23, 2023 (10:28 pm)

    Those PB noises will wake up the BigFoot in Lincoln Park and make them angry—sleep deprivation

  • WSDAD October 23, 2023 (10:31 pm)

    My wife and have been doing a four mile walk every other day. We start at Holdon and 35th and walk down to Lincoln Park. We walk the shore and up the step steps not far from Colman pool. It’s such a beautiful park anytime of the day. We always pass the old tennis courts, now used to dump sand and other park maintenance equipment. I would say 95% of the people that live in Seattle don’t even know where this dirty slab of concrete is located. It will be interesting to see a pickleball court in that spot. I am sure people won’t even know it’s there after its built. Can’t wait to walk through the park tomorrow. It will still be the same. Pickelball or not.

    • CB October 24, 2023 (8:37 am)

      If you call replacing trees and grass with cement and gravel ‘the same.’ There is no justification for this rapid destruction by the Parks Dept. Seattle is supposedly a place that honors and appreciates nature. The City has broken its trust with the community.

      • JustSarah October 24, 2023 (10:12 am)

        For the umpteenth time, trees are not being removed. 

        • JustSarah October 24, 2023 (10:24 am)

          Though I can understand the confusion, since posts like this keep showing up on social media.

        • CB October 24, 2023 (1:02 pm)

          I wouldn’t bet money on trees not being felled. Some have already been damaged when workers moved equipment and piled debris and dirt on lower branches. They are not taking care. And how do you place lighting on the court without effecting the surrounding trees and habitat? Again, no environmental study was done, no public forum offered. Just ram the project through.

          • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (1:56 pm)

            CB, I would bet a lot of money that this trees will not be felled.
            Your false narrative and innuendo are just that.
            Please share photos to support that trees have been harmed?
            The damage you claim, without any proof, falls far below removing trees.  
            This trees were installed back when the courts were installed and they have thrived ever since.    
            Their root structures are extremely well established and the old concrete base will not be changed.  

            No, removal of these beautiful trees  would clearly, by our new tree code, not bellowed and is not happening. 

            Many park trees are in need of trimming for health,  wildlife and removing invasives like ivy and other climbing suffocating vines. 

          • CB October 24, 2023 (4:35 pm)

            I saw the damage to the trees on Sunday, and returned with a hoe and shovel to dig some of the live branches out. I did not take pictures. 

          • justjosh October 24, 2023 (2:07 pm)

            From the parks department: “We are still exploring the possibility of adding lights, but it may end up being cost prohibitive for the time being and may need to be added when future funding can be secured. Funding the lights out of the same grant would mean reducing funding to one of the other promised investments.”

            That’s PR/project management speak for “yeah, that would be nice, but, no, we aren’t going to pay to do that.”

  • TM October 23, 2023 (11:45 pm)

     I am sure people won’t even know it’s there after its built”

    Well, if they never saw it, they’ll know it’s there. As it’ll be noisy as all get out. And if they install lights? Wow, it will be impossible to miss. Kind of like the construction fences you’ll pass by on your walk tomorrow, 1’ off of the rim trail.

  • JDB October 24, 2023 (8:22 am)

    Does anyone else find it strange how these protesters seem to know exactly what the wildlife in this specific meadow does and does not prefer?

    The wildlife would surely be harmed if there was a designated off-leash dog park, yet many of the dog park and pickleball protesters off-leash daily in the same meadow.

    The noise from pickleball will send all of these “native” animals straight to extinction, yet you could barely hear Kersti speaking on the pickleball court the other day over the sound of screaming kids and parents on the soccer fields a few feet away. But she called that “welcome noise,” and I’m sure someone was out there measuring that it was under 80 decibels.

    The perception here is that these people are using the “wildlife” as a reason to keep the park limited only to themselves, which is weird, but they could at least be honest about it because a lot of them really just come across as a bunch of “do as I say, not as I do,” types.

  • Bee October 24, 2023 (12:35 pm)

    What the AF, no. Also, this is doesn’t make a great deal of sense either, which is why it’s being done probably. Why are city officials here so gd arrogant? How can people fight this patriarchal affront on wildlife, nature, our eyes – this is hideous, general disregard for the community’s voice, and going against the spirit(s) of this park? Sure paint some stripes,  all of this invasive fencing?!?  In the dominant culture mentality: 1. How any people are actually going to play here when they realize how frequent gun activity and vandalism can be, and 2. If it requires police escort to build it that should be a good f ing  clue.

    • justjosh October 24, 2023 (1:56 pm)


      1. The fencing is temporary for the project.

      2. LP is not a hot bed of “gun activity.” The location of the old tennis courts is right next to a playground and ball fields that host children every day.

      3. Vandalism is a property crime, which while a nuisance and potentially destructive, is not directly threatening to an individual.

      4. The police were there because of the person that “occupying” the location to try and prevent people at the parks department from doing their jobs.

      You seem to be implying that pickleball attracts crime and an unsavory element. I cannot find any publicly available data source that would back that up?  

  • winniegirl October 24, 2023 (2:33 pm)

    seems like the easiest thing to do is to refresh and clean the existing tennis courts as tennis courts rather than repurpose them as pickle ball courts.  Then pickle ball players can just use the tennis courts as they do at most parks.  There’s no new development so I don’t know what the argument against it would be.  This is seriously out of control. if people need such intense quiet (in the middle of a city), I would suggest camp long.

  • Actually Mike October 24, 2023 (3:14 pm)

    The Seattle Times today published an op-ed piece against both pickleball courts and an off-leash dog area at Lincoln Park. The rest of us are glad to have them join in.

    • CB October 24, 2023 (4:40 pm)


    • JustSarah October 24, 2023 (5:18 pm)

      OMG she actually used the gunfire and freight train comparisons. Bold, bold move, Denise!That is a very satisfyingly sane comments section for the Seattle Times. Love it. 

    • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (9:02 pm)

      What a surprise to read the same tired talking points now being up a level from Kersti’s rambling about ‘greenwashing”  to the pros wildlife activists who are being brought in for TV crews in the park.    
      Now we have this op ed, an admittedly one sided piece by a very biased activist. “Denise Dahn  is a Seattle artist, writer and designer who specializes in nature-related subjects. She is the owner of Dahn Design, LLC and the co-director of the Seattle Nature Alliance.” The Seattle Times

    • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (9:05 pm)

      What a surprise to read the same tired talking points now being up a level from Kersti’s rambling about ‘greenwashing”  to the pros wildlife activists who are being brought in on TV.    The op ed is a one sided piece by a very biased activist. “Denise Dahn  is a Seattle artist, writer and designer who specializes in nature-related subjects. She is the owner of Dahn Design, LLC and the co-director of the Seattle Nature Alliance.” The Seattle Times

    • Patty October 24, 2023 (9:48 pm)

      Thanks for sending the link – that was a beautifully written opinion piece that explains what a special, unique place that  Lincoln Park is!

    • West October 25, 2023 (10:54 am)

      cant. hit a paywall.

      • JustSarah October 25, 2023 (11:17 am)

        You’re not missing much. Sounds like gunfire, freight train, pristine wilderness, picture of the Lincoln Park shoreline, not the actual court site. Oh, and the park is normally so quiet one can hear a whale breathe from that upper “meadow.” 

        Pickleball will ruin all of that. /s

        • 1994 October 25, 2023 (9:20 pm)

          Hear a whale breathe from the upper meadow?!?  Someone must have some super powerful hearing aides!! All these comments, hundred of them, to support nature in a city park and rant against a small park upgrade, but only a sprinkling of comments about a dead lady at the park beach. Life in the city is confusing.  There is a LOT of wildlife outside of the park roaming our streets, living in our yards,  and flying around. Life in the city is confusing.

  • SE Dick October 24, 2023 (5:00 pm)

    Muir breathing into Beckett. ○ “The battle for conservation must go on endlessly. It is part of the universal warfare between right and wrong.” ○ Beautifully said, DD.

    • Diversityinpark October 24, 2023 (9:10 pm)

      “Fair is foul and foul is fair?” 

  • Max October 24, 2023 (9:51 pm)

    Thank you Seattle Times, for saying what the majority of people living around Lincoln Park are trying to tell the pickleball community. Pickleball does  not fit in the middle the park. Solstice Park ? Perfect. Mostly empty anyway. Nobody would care if you guys put a court in the Duamish Greenway or near the Westcrest dog park. 

    • 1994 October 24, 2023 (11:18 pm)

      OMG, put a pickle ball court near the dog park?!? The dogs would go CRAZY from all the balls bouncing around. And then you need to  factor in the pickle ball noise on top of the bouncing balls!  The dog park would no longer be fun for the dogs or the dog people. And remember, pickle ball is not good for the wildlife. Surely there must be wildlife near Westcrest.

    • Diversityinpark October 25, 2023 (8:20 am)

      Max please read the op-ed.  
      It is not an editorial by the Seattle Times.  

      It was written by a professional wildlife activist  and she does  not represent the Seattle Times.  
      Interestingly, if you read the comments on the op-ed you see an overwhelming support of the pickleball court and ridicule of the opposition.  
      The comments confirm what a riff on Seattle Process this has become. 

  • ADA ~ Positivity October 25, 2023 (1:49 am)

    I celebrate stated ADA improvements.  Do the folk raising alarm about possible impact on birds not support their neighbors in wheelchairs having access to an outdoor sport which provides exercise and socialization…most of courts around city are not easy to navigate in a wheelchair. I applaud Parks for making this location with us in mind. I hope Lincoln Park Pickleball Courts will host a wheelchair tournament once project is completed. And no tennis players shouldn’t have to double strip their courts for pickleball use. 

  • WSB October 25, 2023 (1:53 pm)

    For the record: We have added the summary, finally available today, from the Monday police response, and according to SPD, there WAS a “disturbance” that led to the dispatch. – TR

    • Diversityinpark October 26, 2023 (9:38 am)

      Thank you for the update WSB.  
      That is fresh news about the men with dogs, never mentioned by the occupiers.

      • TM October 27, 2023 (6:27 pm)

         That is fresh news about the men with dogs, never mentioned by the occupiers.”

        I’ve seen a lengthy video of the “men with dogs” bit. Well-behaved pets, accompanying their owners. Zero threat perceived by the police there when with the dogs. Good try, Diversityawayfromsolsticepark

  • Max October 25, 2023 (8:46 pm)

    If it was such an “overwhelming ” amount of support for pickleball in the middle of Lincoln Park, why are you guys rushing this along so quickly without proper notice? BTW, I understand the politics of The Seattle Times. My father was a photographer for them for 25 years. 

    • CB October 26, 2023 (9:06 am)

      And how would Parks have known about this ‘overwhelming’ support without having a forum for community response? It’s being rammed down our throats, and Parks and the City has broken trust with me and the community.

      • Diversityinpark October 26, 2023 (2:12 pm)

        The simple answer to the questions of MAX and CB is that there is no need to become involved in what has already begun.  

        It is decided and over.
        Might I suggest a summation (homage?) and adios to SE DICK,Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor playerThat struts and frets his hour upon the stage,And then is heard no more. It is a taleTold by an idiot, full of sound and fury,Signifying nothing.” – WS  

        None of the petitions, posters, placards, demonstrations, confrontations or the occupation has changed (besides spending needlessly on fencing), trespass postings, and a police “report of two men with dogs harassing work crews attempting to set up fencing for a proposed pickleball court.”

        Please stop the continuing illegal posting of flyers, littering, defacing Public signs and respect the Park we all love?

        • SE Dick October 26, 2023 (10:09 pm)

          Crickets, from Destructive D, to me far above or in valid substantive response to me or anyone or anything anywhere–just more sorta sad empty scattershot horsesh** here. And y’know, Solstice. The riddle of Solstice. Possibly related in some way to a ‘timely contribution’, somewhere alleged. And Destructive Dip–let’s see… “will be happy to contribute money to establish new highly efficient focused state of the art pickleball specific lighting.And I have never played pickleball”, and–Hark! sez she, in a snipe-fest over whether Solstice is elbow-room-only or unused: “I think I can hear the strike of tennis balls right now from my abode.” Now that begs disavowal, folks, true factual denial of being the dictionary def of a NIMBY, which even as imbecilically branded on ppl advocating for wise stewardship of public places nowhere near their backyards seems to universally disqualify the target’s vote from being counted. Alki yaps, we think, from there; Fauntleroy, Admiral, junctioneer… me from way over here… where exactly do you howl from, Dip? Cuz methinks–well, yer literati. You know.

          • SE Dick October 27, 2023 (9:29 pm)

            This is the second or third time my device has caused like a day’s delay to a post I thought hadn’t made the cut and rewrote probly longer and tried again. I totally apologize to anyone still slogging through this well-meaning stuff, especially the dedicated staff of this community gem; the last thing I deserve or mean to ask of anyone is repetition. If my face was on it id be red. Seriously.

        • CB October 27, 2023 (7:04 am)

          Again, no community forum or environmental study shows Parks’ disregard of the community ( I include nature in the community) wants and needs. People then have to resort to signage, flyers, petitions, etc.. This decision by Parks is foul play and adversely affects trust between the community and the City. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to care. I’m still not sure what the rush is about-pleasing a small group of pickle ballers? Surely this money could have much better use. 

        • TM October 27, 2023 (6:37 pm)

          Adversityinthepark/Diversityawayfromsolsticepark, your reference “a poor playerThat struts and frets his hour upon the stage,And then is heard no more. It is a taleTold by an idiot, full of sound and fury,Signifying nothing.” is stunningly autobiographical, rather than a clever play on SE. Recall also “The devil can cite scripture for his purpose”- Solstice neighbor, methinks you’ve been found out.

  • Actually Mike October 26, 2023 (4:59 pm)

    The “report of men with dogs harassing work crews” conjures images of menacing attack dogs barely held back, a serious threat indeed. It would be interesting to hear from someone else who was there to see whether that report squares with what they recall. Bring on the snarkfest, children.

    • SE Dick October 27, 2023 (9:41 pm)

      Pretty sure w/o review yr a Good Guy and ally, so I want you to know TM comments on video of I think same episode not far abv, 10/27 6:27p. What you’d expect.

  • SE Dick October 27, 2023 (10:23 am)

    The rush is curious, CB–and if I’d been waiting for unfinished projects over there, I’d be… well I am mad. And you again raise a second valid point: the money. Don’t they always say? ‘follow the money’. Then there’s the vanishing of the Solstice solution. Really a mystery. Opponents of whatever’s going on here somewhere allege some “convenient” contribution of money (I could track that mention down). And for all the vacuous snarking Destructive Diversity has done, for the volume of garbage they’ve trotted out in ~30 empty missives not responsive to anything, not providing any substantiation, not saying anything relevant at all– and now retreating into a strangely familiar incantation that 6 is 9, that they are the winner! of what’s currently being fought–they said two things. Put them together: “I will be happy to contribute money to establish new highly efficient focused state of the art pickleball specific lighting.And I have never played pickleball”; and “I think I can hear the strike of tennis balls right now from my abode.” That–if true!–would be the definition of NIMBY, ppl, meaninglessly applied to so many citizens advocating for the enlightened stewardship of public preserves nowhere near their backyards. It may, possibly, apparently point to an explanation, Cupajoe, for the abandonment of the expected easy self-evident announced solution at Solstice, and even, possibly, Mary, shady though it might be revealed to be, for the “corruption” Keenan thought he sniffed days ago. Somebody (methinks; wink) wants an ugly imposition wildly popular with a lot of unthinking ppl to be kept the hell away from their backyard, and doesn’t know or care enough about Nature in a wildly popular, pressured, pinched public preserve to know or care that it’ll be impacted measurably too. So. City leaders: Parks’ posted criterion (and Destructive D’s only concern)–“Residential remoteness”–CANNOT mean putting it here.

    • TM October 27, 2023 (6:06 pm)

      I will be happy to contribute money to establish new highly efficient focused state of the art pickleball specific lighting.And I have never played pickleball”; and “I think I can hear the strike of tennis balls right now from my abode.” 

      I really think you’re on to something here SE. Further evidenced by Adversity’s evasive response. 

      • SE Dick October 27, 2023 (9:13 pm)

        Oh, I only regret that I failed to make the point as naked as it really is, and am gratified that anyone tracked it at all. Dollar Diversity disclosed 10/23 in the first 170 comments addressing this outrage that they played tennis in those long-ago days so achingly dear to all of us of a certain age, though I cannot pretend their entry makes a ton more sense than their other 30+:  □”I remember family picnics at Lowman Beach with rounds of tennis uniquely sited on the shores of Puget Sound with the lapping of waves and fresh ocean beach air.I wonder why we never considered the Solstice Park for an equal experience?  Maybe the main thoroughfare Fauntleroy Way is a sidewalk away with constant vehicular traffic, trucks, busses, roaring motorcycle and the occasional coal roller getting off the Southworth?  The sounds can drown out your stroke strikes.  At times, the fumes can feel palpable.  But the Solstice court surface is newer and has received updates and maintenance by Parks as well as some remarkably dedicated volunteers that quietly maintain the courts.  I have had fun on those court since they were installed (without SEPA?).I salute those dedicated volunteer tennis players I see nearly every morning at Solstice.”□  My point is Dolla D’s: they love to play tennis at Solstice, either look out the window or step out to the(ir) courts nearly every day. They love the game, somewhere said they played for Sealth, speak fondly of ‘stoke strikes’, the sound of ‘the strike’. They only mentioned that they maybe could hear that sound “right now” in support–maybe the only offer they’ve ever made of even *claimed* substantiation–of their position, hotly contested by other parties, that Solstice courts are already heavily used (no room! no room!). So TM, Dollar Diversity *is* within earshot–of genteel *tennis*–and loves it. They might be adjacent to what are in effect private courts, and love the game. Now: I can tell you as a former exuberant but undisciplined tennis player without a serve that I loved playing courts around here as much as life itself–and if four Yahoos had ever pulled up next to me with some obnoxious percussive effing children’s toys to play some loudmouthed ‘social’ game I would have left. So sorry, Big Dolla, but I know too well who you are–but sadly you are effing with something a great deal larger that a great many more people love and value a great deal more. Read some John Muir, genius. If you think it might be fun to meet me, I can tell you friend you’re wrong. (My real question now is how you got what you wanted–and whether in your ~10% of these now-386 rimshots you’ve called anyone a NIMBY. Like your quick Wiki Macbeth–thank you my comrade TM.)

  • Diversityinpark October 27, 2023 (1:21 pm)

    Wonderful hallucinogenic rambling rant topped with a flat-out naive or intentionally false assessments after bequeathing us and ‘Lincoln Preserve’ with your presence, to falsely proclaim, These are old growth trees.”  

    You are lonely in making that claim because history shows virtually all of  Seattle was clear cut, leaving the wonderful Seward Park as the only location recognized with real old growth trees. 
    For a little history of West Seattle’s beloved park’s history, “
    Land for the park at Point Williams was not acquired by the city until 1922. The new 130-acre park would be called Lincoln Park in honor of President Abraham Lincoln, which forced Lincoln Playfield on Capitol Hill to be renamed Broadway Playfield. Within a few years of the acquisition, the Parks Department had cleared weeds and downed trees and had constructed a comfort station in 1925.”  

    Old growth trees are 150 plus years old like those in Seward Park.

    • TM October 27, 2023 (6:13 pm)

      You within earshot of the Solstice courts, eh? That explains everything.

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