WEST SEATTLE CRIME WATCH: RV residents report receiving written threats

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

We often hear from people upset about RV encampments. We seldom hear from the people who live in them. Tonight we talked with an RV resident because of this:

Last night, that note was called to our attention on Twitter by local “mutual aid” volunteers. They said the note was found last night by vehicle residents on Puget Ridge. “We have been asked by our friends to help call attention to this, hoping that putting a spotlight on this will grant them some small level of protection should the author of this letter attack them or their homes,” the volunteers tweeted. When we asked a followup question, they offered to put us in touch with a recipient. This morning, they provided a name and number, and tonight we spoke by phone with Michelle.

She and her husband recently moved their vehicles (including a truck) to 16th SW alongside South Seattle College (WSB sponsor), where earlier today we counted three RVs and two trucks. Michelle says they found a copy of the note on their windshield; another woman who lives in a vehicle on the block found a copy stuck in her door. It’s not the first time they’ve been harassed, Michelle says, citing incidents of people throwing things at them, from rocks to dog poop.

They aren’t longtime vehicle residents, she says, but they are longtime West Seattle residents – 17 years. Her husband is a 33-year longshore worker who suffered a stroke last fall. They’re looking for an apartment, she says, and thought they’d found one recently, but the landlord changed their mind. So they’ve been moving from parking site to parking site – Westwood and Highland Park before the current stop in Puget Ridge.

For people like her who live in vehicles, Michelle says, what would really help is a place to park. Even a space they’d have to pay rent for. (The City Council budgeted money for a “safe lot” and the Regional Homelessness Authority has awarded a nonprofit a $1.9 million contract to get one going – LIHI, the same nonprofit that runs tiny-house villages including West Seattle’s Camp Second Chance – but they haven’t set one up yet, saying they’re still seeking a site.) A place to park where they wouldn’t get harassed.

Which brings us back to the note. If you could talk to the anonymous note-writer, we asked Michelle, what would you tell them? That their allegations are wrong, she says. Nobody there currently is a sex offender, drug dealer, or addict, as the note alleges, Michelle insists. In fact, she suggests, if they’re worried about sex offenders, they should be more concerned about a “halfway house” she says is somewhere nearby. (For the record, the sex-offender-search website shows 4 within a mile radius of that location, but nothing suggesting a cluster.) She does acknowledge that sometimes they “make a mess” – she and her husband have three dogs – but “we pick it up.”

As of our conversation tonight, nobody had yet to carry out the note’s threats. And she says it’s apparently on police’s radar, as officers came by earlier to check in. (Making threats like those in the note is a crime.) But for now, she asks for a little tolerance: “We’re not trying to be out here – we just have nowhere else to go.”

ADDED 2:38 PM TUESDAY: Just saw this in the SPD report summaries:

On 02-20-2023 in the early morning hours, a victim heard a noise outside his RV and observed an unidentified subject placing something on vehicle windshields. The victim was able to obtain some evidence but could not identify the subject. The victim later discovered the item was a note which referenced the RV owners’ housing status. The letter continued with threats to damage the vehicles, among other threats. The victim called 911 to report the incident. A total of four victims were identified and had all received the same letter. Patrol attempted to contact a suspect at his home but did not receive an answer. Bias crimes notifications were made.

The incident # is 23-048910.

123 Replies to "WEST SEATTLE CRIME WATCH: RV residents report receiving written threats"

  • Foop February 20, 2023 (11:57 pm)

    This is disgusting.

    • Zipda February 21, 2023 (2:00 pm)

      Yes, the letter writer scares me more than any of these RVs.

  • Ice February 21, 2023 (1:00 am)

    It’s a great irony that the person who wrote this letter probably considers every RV-dweller a criminal.

    • Jethro Marx February 21, 2023 (10:29 am)

      Not the only irony present. From the opening address “Dear Friend” (we’d like to make your life sheer hell) to the staggering dumbness of ‘we want you to leave so we’ll make your vehicle unable to move.’ I don’t think people like this should worry about rvs making their kids scared as they are obviously s#!//7 parents and are going to inflict more damage on the kids’ upbringing with their criminal and false bravado than the rvs will. I hope some neighbors have the gumption to chime in and say, “we are concerned about the crime that sometimes accompanies these rvs and we also totally rebuke criminal threats of violence from our neighbors.”

    • Jort February 21, 2023 (3:17 pm)

      What I’m reading in the profoundly disappointing comments below basically comes down to, “Some crimes, like being homeless, or being a politician in this city, are unforgivably bad. But some crimes are actually good, like threatening people’s lives with violence! Or, if not good, at least understandable and excusable.” I am not a deeply religious person, but it’s hard for me to imagine a universal and simple concept like “love thy neighbor” being so intentionally absent from the moral frameworks of so many people. And I can see the responses now, “I’ll love my neighbor when they start loving me and doing what I want them to do, FIRST!” Keep up the gross work, people. So gross. So, so gross.

      • John February 21, 2023 (8:16 pm)

        Jort,You’re overthinking it.It’s possible you aren’t the only person in West Seattle trying to take the moral high ground.Give someone else a chance.

      • Julian February 22, 2023 (12:40 am)

        People can have empathy and also voice valid concerns at the same time.  This kind of black and white stance so many people make here is so counterproductive to winning people to your side.  it’s so tiring…

        • Jort February 22, 2023 (7:44 am)

          You’re right! People can have empathy and voice concerns at the same time! That kind of nuance and complexity, however, is a long, long way from literally threatening violence and harm on other people. This letter is not somebody “voicing concerns.” It’s somebody threatening another human being with violence. It’s not excusable, it’s not acceptable, and above all things, it is gross and disgusting. 

          • Julian February 23, 2023 (7:47 am)

            I was referring to your take/s on other people’s commentary…. 

  • buttercup February 21, 2023 (1:01 am)

    Puget Ridge doesn’t have a “Neighborhood Watch” (if it isn’t obvious to readers that whomever wrote this is a coward hiding behind anonymity & the false pretense of speaking for others). The threats are criminal, yes — but beyond any letter of the law, the sentiment excreted here is shameful and loathsome. I wish peace and safety to my unhoused neighbors, and urge the city to make secure overnight long-term parking, tiny homes, and affordable housing available at once.

    • Brian February 21, 2023 (7:27 am)

      Any neighborhood can have a neighborhood watch. It’s just shorthand for “I call the police for everything I see.”

    • Patty February 21, 2023 (12:39 pm)

      You’d be surprised. 2 streets next to mine have grouped up and claim to represent the area, but don’t interact with anyone else on other streets also in the area. I guess they think since the street I’m on is mostly apartments or new homeowners we don’t “count” as being part of the neighborhood. 

    • James February 23, 2023 (9:03 am)

      My family is part of Puget Ridge area and we don’t claim this guy… violence is never the answer and shame on him for threatening the houseless community. 

  • Mary F February 21, 2023 (1:52 am)

    Am I the only one that feels sorry for the neighborhood dealing with this?    Everyone thinks they know better until one of these encampments rolls up near your home/family.

    • AlaskaJunction February 21, 2023 (9:15 am)

      I don’t know the history of RV encampments here but if there have been instances, like the letter explains, where campers have brought dangerous and unsafe activity to the neighborhood then I understand where the letter writer is coming from.    The city has put it’s citizens into this position where they feel like they have no other recourse but to take the law into their own hands and make threats.  

      • Spooled February 21, 2023 (9:42 am)

        When the notorious Andover St. camp was swept, covered on WSB regularly, 16th is where many of them moved to for the next four months.  That’s where the letter author is coming from.  I can’t blame them when it looks like that hell is about to repeat.  City does nothing.

      • WS Res February 21, 2023 (11:19 am)

        The city has put it’s citizens into this position where they feel like they have no other recourse but to take the law into their own hands and make threats.”  – So that’s understandable to you, but you can’t get your head around how people might feel like they have no other recourse but to live in their RVs, and have some empathy for that situation?  Sheesh.

        • Neighbor February 21, 2023 (1:43 pm)

          I understand why people live in RVs but I also think it is unacceptable.  I expect the city and state to do more to prevent this kind of outcome.  It is possible to dislike RV encampments and want better outcomes for the RV dwellers.

    • Brian February 21, 2023 (9:33 am)

      I gotta say “No, I do not feel sorry for the person threatening harm upon someone in vulnerable circumstances.”

  • Scubafrog February 21, 2023 (5:09 am)

    This is indeed sick.  The threat-issuer is quick to judge, and  mis-labels 1 segment of society.  And/or may be myopic in how pervasive addiction, drug dealing and crime really can be in any socio-economic segment.  Also, the writer appears to think they have authority over another group of people another: Lest they forget our nation’s Declaration of Independence,   “We are all created Equal”. 

  • Littlebrowndog February 21, 2023 (5:18 am)

    A safe self governing parking space is really needed, something like our local long-standing tiny home community. There’s community governance, expectations and rules. Initially there was some community resistance but they have really proven themselves.

  • Watertowerjim February 21, 2023 (5:44 am)

     Hopefully everyone here disgusted by the letter can provide their street address to give these RV owners additional parking options?Driveways are preferred.  

    • Agree February 21, 2023 (1:24 pm)

      Agree….    All of you that find the letter disgusting need to step up and volunteer your driveway, curb or backyard.

      • Rick February 23, 2023 (9:29 am)

        Bingo,bingo and bingo!

    • Neighbor February 21, 2023 (1:45 pm)

      Where are the yes-in-my-driveways?

    • Jort February 22, 2023 (7:46 am)

      So the only way you’re allowed to criticize this letter writer’s criminal threats of physical violence another human being is to …. volunteer to host RVs in your own home? Yeah, that might make somebody feel really good to say to themselves, some kind of weird internal mental justification, but that’s not how it works. It’s not quite the “gotcha” people think it is. 

  • CeeJay February 21, 2023 (6:37 am)

    Typical passive aggressive (West) Seattleite letter. Run for office if you want to make a difference. 

    • Harry February 21, 2023 (9:18 am)

      Glad I’m not the only who sees how passive aggressive people in west Seattle are

      • shotinthefoot February 21, 2023 (10:20 am)

        threatening violence is not “passive” aggressive, it’s just plain old aggressive 

  • PSPS February 21, 2023 (6:57 am)

    This is what happens when there is a constant drumbeat from the right-wing media Wurlitzer to criminalize poverty.

    • flimflam February 21, 2023 (3:14 pm)

      Lol, yeah, Seattle is a bastion of far right wing fanatics.🙄

      • John February 21, 2023 (8:19 pm)

        There might be one out there.But I thought they were already declared extinct.😁

  • neighbor February 21, 2023 (7:14 am)

    Anyone claiming this is a coward act should try living near an encampment with illegal activity before they judge. Some RV dwellers may be innocent, but if so, continuing to stay parked next to drug activity isn’t smart either. So many tax paying homeowners are fed up, and you would be too given this same situation. 

    • Taxman February 21, 2023 (9:11 pm)

      Everyone pays taxes, and the poor bear the greatest burden in this state. That burden also happens to be the worst in the nation.https://itep.org/whopays-map/

      • Julian February 22, 2023 (12:47 am)

        These articles always conveniently avoid showing real $$$s to show who actually pays the most in taxes…

  • Compassionate Neighbor February 21, 2023 (7:44 am)

    Tracy, your article is appreciated. No one should be threatened or feel unsafe in their home. You mentioned the Police have been by this site, was outreach offered? Did Michelle mention how long they have been living in an RV?  Has she has sought emergency housing? If a safe lot isn’t available yet, couldban emergency shelter let them stay? What options are unsheltered pet owners offered? How big of mess is being made (what kind, garbage, dog waste?) and how often is it cleaned up? Can they store their garbage inside the RV? How is Michelle’s husband’s stroke recovery coming along? Is he getting adequate therapy and medical assistance? Can you please follow up and let your readers know? It would be wonderful to hear more about this and hopefully a happy ending, for Michelle’s family and everyone in the Puget Ridge area. 

  • RV space February 21, 2023 (7:57 am)

    I drive by a nice-looking RV space every day, I don’t know if they have vacancies, but it looks like a nice, quiet spot.  It’s at 1642 SW 114st (just west of the Life Storage place on 16th, in White Center).The sign says “RV Space for Rent”.  It may be full, but it might be worth a try!

    • alki_2008 February 22, 2023 (7:27 pm)

      Are you being sarcastic?  That is for storing your RV, not for living in it. That location doesn’t provide plumbed facilities for cleaning or for dumping black tanks. They don’t even have electrical hook-ups there.

      • alki_2008 February 22, 2023 (8:52 pm)

        ETA:  I thought you were talking about the lot across the street. The location you mentioned could be a good spot.

  • Better February 21, 2023 (7:58 am)

    When I took out my garbage yesterday, I found multiple shell casings near the dumpsters on Holden St SW. I took photographs and did not touch the spent bullets shells. 

  • DC February 21, 2023 (8:23 am)

    This demonstrates exactly what people miss about homelessness. The majority of homeless people have lived in the area for a long time and either suffer some life altering event that leaves them no longer able to pay their rent, or are simply priced out. Most want to or are working. The longer people are homeless the harder it becomes to get a job and back on their feet. This stress is what can, sometimes, lead to mental health issues or crime (not an excuse to commit crimes, of course, just a reality that desperation can make it look appealing). 

  • Thomas February 21, 2023 (8:24 am)

    Why would anybody be surprised by this letter.This comes when government refuses to listen to its citizens. Time and time again I have written my concerns to the city as have many others.The city just chooses to ignore are concerns.

    • Jort February 21, 2023 (8:42 am)

      “The government FORCED me to be inhumane and dehumanizing to a fellow neighbor! I had NO CHOICE! Because of the ‘clowncil!'” So gross. So, so gross.

    • High Point February 21, 2023 (9:25 am)

      The city hasn’t chosen to “ignore are concerns”, they have chosen to listen to more then one singular concern. Thomas, please go back and re-read your comment. Essentially what you are saying is that if the privileged class in Seattle isn’t coddled then they are willing to raise arms (or at least vandalize) those who are not worthy of being heard. Reading your comment makes me so incredibly sad and concerned about my children’s future. I can only hope that this is a one-off, but it’s probably not. But don’t worry Thomas, your privileged class will be just fine, even if you think you are being ignored.

      • wscommuter February 21, 2023 (12:30 pm)

        This is one letter written by one idiot.  It is an offensive thing to do.   It is also misplaced to stereotype  folks opposed to RV encampments with the miscreant who wrote this terrible letter.  Extreme situations can bring out the best and worst in people.  Not surprising that some coward wrote this, given the exacerbated nature of our homeless problem.  Just as some homeless are just folks down on their luck, and not all homeless engage in criminal or anti-social behavior, neither are all folks opposed to the encampments part of a “coddled privileged class.”  That is an equally stupid thing to say.  Our homeless problem is complicated and nuanced.  There is no “one size fits all” solution.  But we all lose when the extremists on both ends of the spectrum start name-calling and using straw horses to fail in making a point.  

  • WS Res February 21, 2023 (8:39 am)

    All you have to do is read the comments to any WSB post about encampments to see a dozen comments expressing similar sentiments.  Hope whoever did this is really proud of themselves.  Now who’s a criminal? I’d sure rather have Michelle in the neighborhood than you, you anonymous hateful coward.

    • Michael Hock February 21, 2023 (1:49 pm)

      Would not surprise me at all if the author of that letter was skulking around in these comments.

  • Resident February 21, 2023 (8:41 am)

    As the saying goes, a few bad apples ruins the whole bunch.  In case, on both sides.  Yes, I’m sure there are sex offenders, drug addicts on the streets, and as well criminals who would do harm to someone else masking as a “caring neighbor” I’m sure during neighborhood watch groups.  But like the women said, they’ve fell on hard times.  I’m sure not all this person’s neighbors want to proceed with criminal activity against them.  Eash.  

  • anonyme February 21, 2023 (8:42 am)

    It’s actually reasonable except for the second paragraph.  But ‘Michelle’ has a good point: a quick and easy fix for the city would be to immediately open pay lots for RV’s, including pump-out options and security.  Those who refuse to move to a lot would not be allowed to ‘homestead’, but have the property seized so that it can’t just be moved elsewhere.  And those who are engaged in criminal activity would be provided housing at the King County Jail.  An easy way to separate the wheat from the chaff, and a win-win for everyone – including besieged neighborhoods.

  • WS Guy February 21, 2023 (8:52 am)

    The various links say that the $1.9 million was supposed to fund a lot from Jun-Dec last year for 35 RVs ($7,750 per month per RV by my math).  And that there were 273 RVs on Seattle streets as of last June.  Just in case anyone thought that would solve the problem, even if they did find a location, it won’t.

    • Rick February 21, 2023 (9:36 am)

      With those numbers I’m gonna have to invest in an RV lot and start making some real dough!

      • alki_2008 February 22, 2023 (7:38 pm)

        And those numbers (almost $8k per month per RV) is why some taxpayers are hesistant to pay more money for “homelessness” programs.

        A full-service RV spot at a campground would cost less than a third of that. And yes, there are campgrounds that are not out in the boonies (Dash Point and Saltwater are the closest state parks to Seattle).

  • Joe February 21, 2023 (9:22 am)

    I  understand the sentiment and frustration this letter writer is feeling, but they’re going about it in the wrong way. They should focus their energy on getting our politicians to actually do something about this problem and enforce our laws. You’re not a bad person for not wanting to raise your family around piles of garbage, drugs, and who knows what else. 

  • WSRes February 21, 2023 (9:23 am)

    I don’t blame the residents that were stressed to the point of writing this. I blame the elected representatives of Seattle that have ignored their citizens. This has been brewing for a while and the steady decline of safety for all (including those on the street) without enforcing our existing laws is the result. Criminal activity isn’t something anyone should be conditioned to accept as normal. Elections matter. 

    • Jort February 21, 2023 (10:27 am)

      “The only reason I’m accusing innocent people of being degenerate, subhuman criminals is because of ….. Seattle politicians! I am incapable of controlling myself! Politicians actually force me to write illegal, criminal threats of violence against other human beings! Not me, it’s not my choice, I have no choice, I am in total subservient control to our politicians!” Or would you rather it be, “I hate my politicians so much I’m willing to engage in criminal behavior by threatening the safety of another human being?” Gross, gross, gross and gross. I knew this comment section would be disappointing, but even I am still capable of being shocked at some of this. Unbelievably gross.

  • Missus February 21, 2023 (9:38 am)

    Sadly I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. When you have a government that does not enforce the laws and does not find better solutions for those who are unhoused- someone is bound to take things into their own hands. Allowing encampments to proliferate endangers everyone particularly those in the encampments.  It’s horrible. 

  • April February 21, 2023 (9:39 am)

    Whoever wrote this letter is disgusting! Lumping everyone into a category is wrong! Its like saying every Republican is an insane and a racist or that every Democrat is for socialism.

  • MrB February 21, 2023 (9:55 am)

    While I don’t like the threats in this letter I can certainly understand the author’s frustration.  It takes a murder or fire to get the attention of the City.  Enough is enough.  Let’s vote for common sense solutions which include helping both RV/Campers and Home Owners.  We can no longer tolerate the status quo. Allowing this to continue another day will only lead to more problems.  Nobody is above the law.  

  • Alki resident February 21, 2023 (10:01 am)

    This isn’t “ stressed to the point of writing a letter”, this is PTSD from having fires, explosions, drug deals, shootings, prostitution, garbage, rats, yelling and screaming and nudity on a regular basis in front of your house. You never know what’s next. You can’t even imagine what’s next. Those thinking this letter writer is a big bad wolf, go live in his shoes for a week. This is what we deal with every single day but it’s a house not RV’s next door to us. Police drive by every single nite looking for more stolen cars. They get at least two a week. The majority of these encampments and parked vehicles are tweekers NOT homeless because of being priced out. We have a major drug crisis, not homeless. The resident that wrote this letter likely feels needed to be written and probably after many months or years of not being heard elsewhere. 

    • Joe February 21, 2023 (11:48 am)

      Well said. I agree, that as a society we have a huge drug problem – fentanyl, meth, and heroine. Homelessness is a symptom of the problem, and not the root cause in most cases. Of course, there are exceptions. Seattle’s naive policies just enable the problem instead of addressing them head on. There is too much virtue-signaling and not enough problem-solving in this city.

    • Jethro Marx February 21, 2023 (11:56 am)

      I don’t think you understand what PTSD is but it’s good to know that all the calls for law and order are more like, “I’m ok with crime as long as it’s the ‘right’ kind of crime.”

      • Alki resident February 21, 2023 (3:28 pm)

        At 53 yrs old, I’m very aware of what PTSD is. My neighbors and I have been through way too much with the drug house next door to us. We’ve developed anxiety , reoccurring nitemare and the such from what we’re going through. But thanks for understanding since you live in your peaceful bubble. 

        • Jethro Marx February 21, 2023 (10:04 pm)

          I’m sorry, I don’t understand but I do sympathize with your situation. I meant the clinical disorder PTSD, which is defined by the DSM typically and diagnosed by a mental health professional. There is also a pop culture usage of diagnoses like this, just like people say “I’m so Bipolar.”

    • Jay February 21, 2023 (11:56 am)

      So how does blaming Michelle for all those problems and threatening her with property damage and violence solve those problems?

  • shotinthefoot February 21, 2023 (10:07 am)

    I hope they catch the coward responsible for writing this letter, and I hope they also have to feel the level of insecurity and fear they’ve now instilled in their very human neighbors. Yes, the homeless are human, whether the person who wrote this believes it or not. I hope they can look into their hearts and just imagine how they’d feel if someone wrote this kind of violent, threatening, horrible letter to their nice, cozy home. But…I feel like it’s pretty clear they lack this kind of empathy and introspection. 

    • Jeff February 21, 2023 (7:51 pm)

      “I hope they also have to feel the level of insecurity and fear they’ve now instilled in their very human neighbors.”… perhaps they already do?I’m not condoning this behavior, but it’s hardly fair to expect empathy and respect from one side but not the other. 

      • shotinthefoot February 22, 2023 (9:33 am)

         Cowardly, small-minded behaviour like that of the letter writer is not to be rewarded with respect, nor should I have any empathy for someone who would treat their fellow human like this. There were hundreds of other ways this neighbor could have handled this situation, but leapt immediately to threats and violence. Nope. This is not a “both sides” situation. 

        • Jeff February 22, 2023 (7:03 pm)

          I’m not faulting you for opposing this (though it’s unfair to say the letter was an immediate reaction), and again, I’m not arguing in support of this individual’s behavior.  But the story as I see it is “one person tries to combat poor behavior with poor behavior.”  The bulk of the discussion here reminds me of the double standard we sometimes see when a professional athlete is criticized for snapping at a fan that’s been mercilessly heckling them all game long.  I’m all about holding people to a standard, but people are always going to get frustrated if the standard isn’t fairly applied.

    • Jesse burelison February 22, 2023 (11:53 am)

      The car was a white Ford crown Victoria lic# bln8—. Police have all this info.

  • Scarlett February 21, 2023 (10:11 am)

    No doubt someone who lives a sheltered life in mom and dad’s basement and entertains fantasies of being a neighborhood hero, with a cape in the closet. 

    “Damage your vehicles so they are no longer driveable.”   Huh?  Why would you impair someone’s ability to move elsewhere – isn’t that the whole idea? 

  • ITotallyAgreeWithYou February 21, 2023 (11:08 am)

    Anonyme, “And those who are engaged in criminal activity would be provided housing at the King County Jail. ” I trust you mean not just the homeless but also letter writers who threaten violence. Let’s recognize in this situation, the only one proven to be practicing criminal behavior is the letter writer.  Ironic but it’s the truth.

    • anonyme February 22, 2023 (4:49 am)

      I totally agree that everyone should be treated equally under the law.

  • KM February 21, 2023 (11:13 am)


  • RX February 21, 2023 (11:20 am)

    This is a foolish and likely unproductive way to handle this, but I’m not the least bit surprised. All parties are behaving predictably:

    The caravaners can’t be expected to just magically disappear into an
    apartment, let alone an affordable one. I know people making 65k+ who
    struggle right now. The shelters will often accept women but reject men or dogs. When you do get in, they’re stabby, have untenable entry and exit policies, and your shit will get stolen even faster than if it’s in a tent. The public spaces are all that’s left.

    And the housed residents can’t be expected to tolerate literal roving bands of vagrants that set up trash filled encampments at their front door. Every encampment might not be dangerous, but I wouldn’t expect them to gamble with their family’s safety to give strangers the benefit of the doubt on principle.

    Regardless of how you feel about police staffing, it’s a fact that the police are woefully short on manpower. They’re so busy that they don’t even run rape kits for adults anymore. So expecting them to mediate RV turf wars for a living is unreasonable. If anyone has reason to believe this will get better before it gets worse, please leave a reply. I’d like to be optimistic, but I am not.

  • Foop February 21, 2023 (12:46 pm)

    So many gross comments in this thread. I take solace in knowing from just about any election topic that the folks here are a minority.reminder that the sentiment in here about social housing was largely negative yet the initiative won by a large margin. A large portion of the folks agreeing with this letter do not represent this community .

  • Patty February 21, 2023 (12:56 pm)

    It’s so funny that this person spent their time writing this letter and sneaking over to people’s cars to place it rather than spending that time writing to the city asking why we don’t have parking lots yet. They could even take over an empty lot at night when it’s not in us if they don’t have the money to build one (a portion of WWV, Bartell HQ, etc.) These kinds of people are probably the same ones that would have protested and helped shut the SODO shelter expansion because “they’re already asked to house enough homeless people”

    • JulNJer February 21, 2023 (10:47 pm)

      Patty, Your last sentence is infuriating because I was/am a very active sodo expansion protestor. Since 2019, the CID has lost 1/4 of its businesses and residents due to the unimaginable levels of filth, destruction, theft, and violent activity it’s been forced to endure with zero help or resources from the city/county.   99.9% of the crime and filth stems from the drug dealers and meth labs that set up shop in tent encampments around low/no-barrier shelters because within that shelter’s walls are up to 300 active drug users. The CID has 20+ shelters within walking distance. At least 4 are low/no-barrier, bringing 650+ active drug users/high-risk behavioral needs folks every night, and each of those has at least one drug encampment surrounding it.Walk in their shoes before you judge them as nimbys. 

  • Odd son February 21, 2023 (1:35 pm)

    The county bought a few multi story hotels and was fixing them up to house homeless. I know  the last one was in Kirkland or Bellevue. I wonder what the status of that program is or the latest proposed RV lot.

  • RW February 21, 2023 (1:44 pm)

    This is not a “one-size-fits-all” situation. And one letter does not accurately define a situation. I do not condone threatening anyone, particularly with an anonymous note. This is a multi-faceted problem and there’s a danger in painting a “it’s this or that” scenario. Yes, some people in RVs are just down on their luck, law-abiding citizens who are in transition. But some people in RVs are less desirable who set-up these “camps” with no intention of leaving, accumulate mounds of trash, leave human waste, and engage in criminal activities. Naturally, neighborhoods are fed up and object when their streets are overrun. The city needs to take more assertive action and set regulations in addition to outreach services. For example, RVs must be moved to a new location every 48 hrs (or whatever) and no more than three or four can be parked in any one area. Limit where RVs can park for extended periods (not near parks, beaches, schools, etc). It won’t solve the problem, but small steps can help.

  • DougPug February 21, 2023 (2:57 pm)

    I think sending a letter was a decent thing to do instead of just acting on emotion and fear right away.   The encampment (which is illegal to begin with) now understands that the neighborhood has had enough and maybe they should move on and share the experience of apathy with another area.   

  • Justin February 21, 2023 (2:58 pm)

    I see nothing wrong with the letter.  The individual gave them a heads up.  If this were to occur in front of my dwelling, a 24 hour notice would’ve been included in the text.  Good job fed up people! 

    • Jort February 21, 2023 (10:53 pm)

      You saw “nothing wrong”?! The letter literally contains a criminal threat of violence! “Nothing wrong?!!??!” And you admit that you would commit the same crime if it were your house?! This is so, so, so, so, so, so gross! So gross!

  • HS February 21, 2023 (3:00 pm)

    Being unhoused in a tent, in an RV, or otherwise is simply not safe for people. And it’s not a healthy answer to homelessness for our region.

    • Derek February 21, 2023 (7:44 pm)

      It’s also not healthy to be fascist and force people to move constantly or go to jail. 

    • WS Res February 21, 2023 (8:51 pm)

      Being unhoused in a tent, in an RV, or otherwise is simply not safe for people. ”  – True!  Especially when housed people threaten them!

  • Mellow Kitty February 21, 2023 (3:31 pm)

    Wow. Just wow. 🤢 So gross. 

  • wsperson February 21, 2023 (4:27 pm)

    The only thing that makes sense in this situation is to solve it. If people are homeless, give them a home. It’s called the Housing First Method, and it has been used successfully to drastically reduce homelessness in other countries.If people need help, help them. It makes perfect sense but people hate it because they think helping people is somehow taking something away from them.

    • alki_2008 February 22, 2023 (8:42 pm)

      Housing First in other countries (Scandinavian for example) provides housing for people AS LONG AS they agree to participate in counseling, treatment, job training, and other related things. After some time they are then expected to pay rent or elsse they have to move out of the housing they were given. They are not given housing unconditionally. Maybe you already know this, but I think it’s important for readers to understand how the successful Housing First programs actually work because some people think it just means giving people housing without any guidelines around it.

      I would like to see a holistic Housing First solution offered here, but I don’t see where the city/county/state/feds are prepared to provide it.

  • AMD February 21, 2023 (5:20 pm)

    Really disgusted by my neighbors in this comments section.  Yes, I have RVs in my neighborhood and on my street and no, I have NEVER felt that it was okay to threaten any of them, or damage their property, or throw things at them, or any of the vile, awful things you guys are talking about.  Ever.  I cannot imagine being so soulless to think any of that was okay.  My word.

  • wsmatt February 21, 2023 (6:06 pm)

    To all posters and anyone reading this WSB article and these subsequent posts, please briefly consider the following: Should an RV (top notch condition or dilapidated) be parked “long-term” or “potentially long-term”  in front of your house, favorite park/open space, along a street with a nearby school your children or your neighbor’s children attend, how would you feel and/or address the situation? Welcoming and supportive? Questioning? Asking (to yourself) “what’s happening here? is this legal? why here? i’m concerned about (insert anything here)?” Yes, it’s a quagmire, but how do you feel? Would you offer your driveway, your street frontage street space (with a power connection from your home), or your home to those experiencing homelessness?? Or just leave it to our disfuctional City Council? Solutions, please propose solutions.

    • AMD February 21, 2023 (7:05 pm)

      Again, there ARE homeless people and RVs on my street, and no, it did not make me an empathy-deprived ghoul.  I don’t need to “briefly consider” these questions.  I live them every day.  I treat them like all of my other neighbors.  I ignore the RV residents, except to say “hi” if I walk by on the street and they’re outside.  The only people who have had issues with drugs and criminal activity on my street were housed.  When they still lived here they they did not make me feel less safe, even late at night, and even with children.  No one is coming after me.  I’m not so special anyone is out to get me, lol.  The solution is to support legislation that address the root of homelessness.  I advocate for more liberal zoning and removing barriers to development so that we can actually have somewhere to house people.  Just because YOU choose to respond the way you do the the homeless in your neighborhood doesn’t mean everyone else does.  And don’t assume those who respond differently don’t have experience with homeless folks on their own streets.

    • Derek February 21, 2023 (7:43 pm)

      I don’t care if they’re parked in front of my house. Already have to deal with my housed neighbors ugly Teslas. RV wouldn’t hurt.

    • W. February 22, 2023 (6:53 am)

      My neighborhood park frequently does have folks living out of their vehicles, since it actually has open, working restrooms. The people don’t leave trash all over, and they don’t bother anyone. I have zero issues with them staying there. It doesn’t take much imagination to see myself stuck in the same situation and needing access to a bathroom.

  • Clark February 21, 2023 (6:30 pm)

    Enough! We should be able to walk public streets free from garbage, human feces, dogs, fires threats and all the other negativity the RV car dwellers bring to neighborhoods. To all the people that think it’s ok, invite them to your personal property. Hippocrates!

  • Linda February 21, 2023 (7:03 pm)

    The letter is bizarre, no doubt. If only the rubber trampers in the RVs could somehow band together and eliminate the garbage and debris surrounding them, eliminate drug dealings and usage in public spaces and contribute to the community by perhaps keeping the area they move to each stop clean and tidy. A small footprint would be nice…pack it in, pack it out? Travel, park, clean, repeat? My brother recently rented a decent apt in Chinatown for $850. a month, works downtown full time for a non profit agency that provides solutions for homelessness. He fell on hard times a few years ago and was lifted back to reality by the Union Gospel Mission another great agency. Seattle is a great place, hopefully the RVers will see it in their hearts to be tidy and respectful, as we all do… in all fairness.

    • Ws prayers March 2, 2023 (8:30 pm)

      The Seattle’s Union Gospel Mission is an excellent program i went thro their program worked there for a number of years obtained and maintained housing for 18years now there is hope there are programs but people have to want and accept help be willing to participate in life in general -alot of programs and shelters yes have rules but all of us that live in USA Seattle WA have to follow rules they are called laws and yes there are apartments including hostels and campgrounds that are available not far some even in city that are low cost options as well as rooms for rent. I’m sure a craigslist search might be helpful for finding RV space for rent. Also Hipcamp sometimes offers long-term stays for people looking for place to park rvs-private owners offering their property at price for camping/rv

  • Michelle February 21, 2023 (7:15 pm)

    People in rv’s and vehicles aren’t considered homeless or unhoused. According  to most of the city programs.

  • MLI February 21, 2023 (8:17 pm)

    It would be nice if they at least kept their junk off the sidewalk. I’m expected to shovel the sidewalk in front of my house when it snows. They should be expected to keep the sidewalk clear so people can walk on it. 

  • KM February 21, 2023 (9:21 pm)

    I love West Seattle, but I hate entitled (and even violently so) NIMBY attitudes like this. Nobody WANTS to be houseless. Have some compassion. Everyone deserves to have a safe place to live. We definitely need systemic solutions, and empathy for each other. Thank you WSB for sharing Michelle’s family’s story with the community. 

  • Bluhorizon February 21, 2023 (9:35 pm)

    WSMatt,  Can sympathize with this, the situation, the frustration  et all. But none of that allows a person to threaten, harm another, or to be a vigilante. Period. 

  • 1994 February 21, 2023 (9:50 pm)

    “Her husband is a 33-year longshore worker who suffered a stroke last fall.” To Michelle and husband:  Does the longshore union have a disability plan? Have you applied for Social Security disability? Checked out the SHAG housing options located in Kent, West Seattle…? The social safety net is out there, maybe a little checking could result in some solutions to consider for your situation?

    • Michelle February 22, 2023 (12:04 am)

      Yes the union does it just takes a bit for it to start after being off work for so long. Doesn’t qualify for shag Apts.  And most programs base on financial criteria and base it on projected income based on job category not what he has actually made.. we will find something we just are asking for the harassment to stop.  

      • parking February 22, 2023 (10:55 am)

        I just wanted to point out this RV spot again – I’m guessing it’s full, but it just looks so nice and safe, want to make sure you’re aware it’s out there.  And close by!It’s at 1642 SW 114st (just west of the Life Storage place on 16th, in White Center).The sign says “RV Space for Rent”.  It may be full, but it might be worth a try!Good luck to you and your husband!

  • Not the Mr T February 21, 2023 (10:24 pm)

    To WSMATT…No, I don’t want any RV parked long-term in front of my house, in front of your house, parks, schools or anywhere on Seattle streets.How do I feel and/or address the situation?  I wouldn’t want the problems of trash, rodents, thefts, and the RVs taking up valuable parking space on our already packed streets.  How do I address the situation?  First, laws need to be changed where people would be forced to have a mental/medical hearing to determine what treatment they need and then it would be court ordered with appropriate punishment if they fail to attend.  Seattle/King County has wasted billions on the homeless because everything is voluntary.  Do you think that addicts want to quit?  Do you think that the mentally ill are capable of making rational decisions about their living conditions, addictions, etc…?Why is it happening here? Is it legal?  No, it is not legal (stupid question) the more salient question is why here?  Well, think about it, they only go to industrial areas, low income areas or areas where several can park together (harder to evict an encampment vs one RV).  Do you think that they would get away with parking in the more wealthy areas, Sand Pointe, Broadmoor, Medina, etc?No, I would not offer my driveway, street frontage, utilities or my home to these people.  The people who are experience homelessness who are not mentally ill or addicted, I would hope, have sought out the resources that the billions of our tax dollars have made available.  The others I don’t trust with the resources I have worked a lifetime to provide for myself and family. These are the same people that amass large piles of trash, bicycles, and whatever other garbage they seem intent on collecting. Solutions? Conduct a census to find out how many, who they are, where they come from, what skill sets they have, addictions, illnesses, etc. Find out if they are a missing person so that family may help them, determine if they are entitled to resources, VA, SSA, etc. Then move them into an appropriate program.  The unfortunate part is that this would have to be mandatory for it to work and therefore would drive the ACLU and liberals slobbering mad. What are yours WSMATT?

  • Canton February 21, 2023 (10:42 pm)

    A cheaper option for the city, would be to create overnight parking zones for 24 hours in suitable areas. Spend the city money on helping the people keep them running, and following the laws. If rv’s are able to move every 24 hrs, no trash pileup, no drug dens. 

  • Michelle February 21, 2023 (10:47 pm)

    So it begins more harassment. Whom ever just threw a bunch of syringes at my vehicle grow up.  You talk about and judge us of creating a hazard  but you throw syringes at my vehicle that I put my animals and grand children in. I realize how utterly immature you are being whom ever did this. Karma is married to Murphy. You hide and be a sneak not grown enough to come talk to us.  Or to self absorbed to think of your own accord. Judge me for me and my actions not because of someone else’s. I hope you never get picked for jury duty you would execute an innocent person.

    • Canton February 21, 2023 (11:57 pm)

      Can you tell the details of what happened?

    • flimflam February 22, 2023 (5:58 am)

      Michelle, just so we have this straight – only you and your RV are receiving the note and now a hail of needles? That seems either incredibly unlucky or very personal towards you for some reason. Are any of the other RV’s getting the letters or just you?

      • WSB February 22, 2023 (8:09 am)

        As noted in the police report added above yesterday, police found three other recipients.

        • flimflam February 22, 2023 (12:08 pm)

          Ah, thank you.

  • SeaShores February 21, 2023 (10:51 pm)

    I am concerned that there are apparently this many extremist, hate-filled neighbors here in WS, who feel more sympathy for the letter-writer than for our neighbors forced to live in RVs and tents by the failures of our economic system and the failures of our political system. I would rather a hundred RVs parked on my street than a single neighbor who agrees with this letter writer. Anyone who does, please leave this city. It will be a better place without you here.

  • Michael Hock February 21, 2023 (11:59 pm)

    A lot of the comments in here are shockingly, disgustingly bilious, but unfortunately, they are often the norm when anything related to homelessness, crime, or encampments gets featured on the blog. It’s truly heartening to see plenty of pushback here – no doubt partially due to the open brazenness of writing and delivering concrete threats – but this rhetoric among the commentariat is, sadly, nothing new.While I have always respected WSB’s tireless reporting and appreciate this excellent story highlighting the realities of homelessness that so often get ignored in mainstream media, I feel that a lot of the violent sentiments among our neighbors in here are the manifestation of these attitudes being consistently platformed in the comments. I understand both the need and desire for healthy debate, especially on a longstanding community blog, but when you have people in here openly expressing sympathy for the letter writer (despite the article clearly stating that making threats like the ones expressed in the letter is a crime), pulling out the same tired, flimsy counterpoints we see every time an encampment is in the news (wHy dOn’T yOu pOsT yOuR aDdReSs?!), and – in what feels like a new low in all my years as a WSB lurker and West Seattle resident – proudly saying that they would do the same thing, something has to give on that front. I truly fear that we will see people killed if these sentiments continue to be whipped up.To all the folks in here pushing back on this violent, hateful rhetoric: genuinely, thank you. We need more people like you in our community who will stand up for our unhoused neighbors, many of whom – like Michelle – are longtime West Seattle residents themselves. To anyone reading this who my second paragraph may apply to: kindly buzz off. Our community will be stronger without you in it.

    • Jort February 22, 2023 (7:58 am)

      We learn as we look back, throughout our history, that humankind is not at its best — and sometimes makes very poor, often unforgivable decisions — when an in-group makes broad, sweeping generalizations and categorizations about another group of people. We have seen this done by ethnicity, by race and by social status, where people cease to become individuals and instead become members of an out-group, an out-group to whom we can apply our vengeful lust for exclusion and violence. When we talk about all “homeless people” and go down a path toward normalizing violence to members of that group, any member, just because they’re part of the group … well, we’re going to a very dark place as a society and I don’t think it’s one people will be able to look back on with a great deal of pride. Homelessness is a complex, challenging and enormous issue not just here in Seattle but in this entire country. History tells us that resorting to vengeful mob violence not only won’t solve the underlying problems, it will weaken us as human beings.  Michael, I too worry when I read these things. Our neighbors decry the authoritarian leanings of their opposing political party, but then turn around and demonstrate the same behaviors on their own homeless neighbors without a second thought. You are right to be disappointed and worried.

  • Mansfield February 22, 2023 (12:01 am)

    It truly has come to this. We’ve lived in WS for nearly four decades and have seen it go from bad to great, to worse. So many “how dare you” in here. You know exactly why people are pissed. If you’re so compassionate, your response should be I’ll let them set up in my backyard, in front of my house, I’ll protect them, I’ll take them food and clothing, and clean up their messes. But you don’t, do you? Is it OK to threaten someone? Of course not. But when nothing is actually being done and money is wasted over and over again in the name of homelessness, people become sick and tired of band aides on gaping wounds, and boundaries and expectations not being set, which will actually move these people on with their lives. Heart emojis and hugs are not working! The city has to start by acknowledging what the REAL issue is, focus on making real plans, and stop wasting our time and money. 

    • WestSeattleBadTakes February 22, 2023 (4:34 am)

      This tired argument – if you don’t let people into your home that means you don’t actually care about solving it.And then you close with nothing said. What is the “real issue?” What are “real plans?”I’ll help you out a bit, the real issue is capitalism. Real plans should adequately address the shortcomings of capitalism.

      • WW Resident February 22, 2023 (12:23 pm)

        Well again Bad Take gives a bad take. Someone read that hot incoherent excuse of a book called Das Kapital in their political science-humanities class? Like there isn’t homeless and drug issues in socialist and communist countries. And before anyone says it. Places like Denmark and Sweden aren’t socialist countries. They’re free market countries that have sometimes less restrictions on the market than here, have a lot of privatization within their system and have extremely high taxes on everyone, including their dirty little secret, the poor. And there’s so many variables between here and there to discuss that this is not the platform to go through all of that. It’s why Denmark’s Prime Minister put out a PSA that Denmark was not a, socialist country when multiple house owning “socialist” Sanders was calling these countries socialist countries

        • Jort February 22, 2023 (9:45 pm)

          How many homeless people are there in Denmark? Do you think they solved their homeless problem by locking them in jails? Let me give you a big, big, big, big juicy hint: they didn’t.

      • JP February 22, 2023 (9:43 pm)

        This tired argument – the real issue is capitalism. And then you close with nothing said. What is the “real issue?” with Capitalism? What are “real plans?” to remedy? 

    • Spot on February 22, 2023 (6:50 am)

      Here here!!

    • Jay February 22, 2023 (12:19 pm)

      Can you make a coherent argument about how personally harassing this woman named Michelle who is not causing anyone trouble is the solution to the problems you mention?

    • Scarlett February 22, 2023 (12:38 pm)

      This is the classic and fallacious argumentum absurdum.  You know, if you aren’t offering RVer’s space in your driveway and cooking them homemade meals, then you are a hypocrite.  It’s stupefying how often this silly line of argument is used these days in various contexts. 

  • Scarlett February 22, 2023 (9:37 am)

    Have any “law and order” types here considered that the police, who are probably intimately familiar with the challenges faced by some of these RV’ers,  aren’t really interested in carrying out your sweep dictates? Sure, they’ll politely listen to your concerns about these encampments, but don’t assume they are on the same page as you.  After you’ve expressed your petite bourgeoisie frustrations, they probably drive off rolling their eyes.   Welcome to the reality of what predatory – crony – capitalism has produced.   

  • Coward February 22, 2023 (6:26 pm)

    “Some file reports. Some complain to the mayor. And some cowards, like myself, sneak around in the night leaving hypocritical notes threatening to commit criminal behavior…”

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