VIDEO: West Seattle Chamber of Commerce members take public-safety questions to local leaders

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Amid a wave of persistent crime affecting local businesses, the West Seattle Chamber of Commerce convened a public-safety forum for its members last night.

Seattle Police Chief Adrian Diaz, King County Prosecuting Attorney Leesa Manion, and District 1 City Councilmember Lisa Herbold – who chairs the Public Safety and Human Services Committee – answered questions for about an hour with more than 20 people in attendance at ArtsWest (WSB sponsor) in The Junction. On behalf of the Chamber’s Government Affairs Committee, restaurateur Dan Austin moderated, asking questions submitted in writing in advance.

First, here’s our video of the hour-long event:

If you can’t or don’t want to watch, here’s our summary of how it went:

First question, what’s being done about burglaries and other crimes happening at businesses?

Chief Diaz said data showed they’re dropping in number, so he wants to be sure that it’s not because people aren’t reporting them – he implored people to report everything. (What he admitted is a “little archaic” online-reporting system is being overhauled, he mentioned, and an improved version should be up and running by June.) That aside, he mentioned a multi-pronged approach – first, crime-prevention strategies, such as looking at repeat targets and seeing if something can be done to make them less attractive to criminals; second, analyzing “what kind of crime we’re deaing with” – for example, if someone comes into a shop and makes threats, maybe it’s someone in need of services. He also suggested personal-safety workshops for employees. And once someone’s arrested, he added, ensuring they can be prosecuted. (Though not business-specific, Diaz noted here that SPD has been engaged in operations targeting vehicle thefts and has “made a number of arrests.”)

Austin followed up by asking how to connect with the kind of prevention information the chief mentioned; Diaz recommended talking with Southwest Precinct Crime-Prevention Coordinator Jennifer Danner (who was in attendance).

Councilmember Herbold added that an “audit” of organized retail theft is expected to be complete within the next month or so, and she’s hoping for “actionable recommendations.” Dealing with “fencing” is vital too, Prosecuting Attorney Manion noted.

Austin then asked Manion about sentencing guidelines, given the “catch and release” perception that even though suspects are being arrested, they’re not being kept in custody – or, if prosecuted, sentenced – for long. She emphasized that sentencing guidelines are state law, created by legislators, and “we’re bound by it,” with the decision in the hands of judges. During the pandemic, King County Jail’s population had to be reduced for the safety of officers and inmates, she explained, but “we are coming out of those restrictions” now.

Next question was directed first at Herbold, asking how the 2020 discussion of potentially “defunding” SPD affected the department’s staffing loss and attempts to recruit replacements. Herbold reiterated that the council “never voted on 50 percent defunding” – Councilmember Kshama Sawant proposed it but “never got a second.” She contended that “a lot of factors” contributed to the departure of hundreds of officers, and yes, discussion of reductions was one of them, as were the protests, “but this is a national issue,” she stressed, saying “every city across the country has had large numbers [of police] retiring or quitting (and) recruitment numbers are down.” She says community ideas have been helpful in recruiting, such as paying referral bonuses to city employees who refer candidates that get hired (that, she said, is being done for other departments too). Also, Herbold said, some changes have been made such as how long it takes to get into the academy. She then reiterated that the council has “fully funded SPD’s staffing plan” for three years running, so the money is there to hire officers.

Next question was for Diaz, about how the Black Lives Matter movement has affected “police culture.” He first talked about his community roots – a former 10-year resident of West Seattle, and having spent a lot of time in South Park – and said he’d been involved in many “difficult conversations with communities affected by police violence.” He talked about the Before the Badge program for new officers to meet with community members: “We focus on culture change, but it has to start at the very beginning.” Otherwise, he explained, the police academy still puts more of a focus on aspects of the job such as shooting and driving. Overall, he said, thanks to “great work by officers,” they’ve used less force and received fewer complaints despite having made more arrests last year than in previous years “at full staff” and seizing more guns. Violent crime is down 26 percent in recent months, he said. (Herbold noted that Before the Badge has West Seattle sessions coming up – you can register here to participate.)

How do the city attorney and county prosecutor work together? Manion said their “relationship has never been better” – the offices’ teams communicate and collaborate. Teamwork, she said, helped reduce retail theft downtown by 20 percent; she said their collaboration had resulted in felony charges being filed rather than misdemeanors in some cases. She noted that City Attorney Ann Davison had inherited “an office of misfiled charges.”

Is anything new in the works to help small businesses cope with the costs of property crime? No.

What about alternative public-safety responses? Herbold said she’s “very frustrated” that funding provided by the council since 2020 has not yet led to its intended results, though some work is under way (a presentation was scheduled before her committee this morning). Manion detailed the multiple levels of dealing with the mental-health crisis, saying she hopes to get state law changed so it can be more collaborative, But right now, she said, Western State Hospital is full: “What we need is an increase in capacity (there) … (it) should be a priority for our state lawmakers.” She also noted that 400 people are waiting for licensing to become mental-health providers, and finding a way to accelerate the process would be helpful. Diaz added that there are “no services available” to “high-utilizer” types of people upon release. Right now, he said, it’s a six-week wait for a “designated crisis responder” to evaluate someone who is in crisis now. The funding is there, but they are short on help. Programs like LEAD and JustCARE are doing what they can, but overall, he warned, “this is going to be a longstanding problem.”

What can the panelists say to exhausted, exasperated businesses – is there light at the end of the tunnel? Austin asked. “What do you need from us?”

Stay in business. Open businesses. That’s what Diaz urged – saying that if more businesses are operating, more people will be out and about, and that will reduce crime. “Hold on for just a little longer,” he said, urging optimism and looking ahead to upcoming major events like the All-Star Game this year and World Cup in four years. “We’re going to get through this.”

Manion and Herbold agreed there’s cause for hope. The prosecuting attorney said for one, community leaders “have been cooperating in ways that feel very different to me.” The councilmember said she feels “we are turning the corner” after the pandemic years of forgetting “how to be together” but also exhorted a “collaborative approach.”

After a question about Prosecuting Attorney’s Office staffing levels – “some vacancies, not perfect, but manageable,” said Manion – Austin brought the discussion back to police, and how to both hold them accountable and thank them. The chief says on the former, they’re “teaching officers what we value,” but if you have a complaint, you can take it to the Office of Police Accountability. On the latter, “just thank them.” The new online followups on reports are helping, he noted – “nine of 10 are getting positive feedback … we’re showing it to the officers and that’s helping offiers feel like ‘my work is being valued’.”

Chamber executive director Whitney Moore wrapped up by noting that the forum was in part thanks to a city grant. She also said the Chamber has 13 more events between now and May – you can check the calendar on their website to see what’s coming up.

7 Replies to "VIDEO: West Seattle Chamber of Commerce members take public-safety questions to local leaders"

  • The Herbold The February 28, 2023 (4:05 pm)

    She then reiterated that the council has “fully funded SPD’s staffing
    plan” for three years running, so the money is there to hire officers.

    Herbold has absolutely no shame.  The council funded the reduced staffing plan in full, locking the SPD staffing budget at its present catastrophically understaffed levels.  And off she skips, secure in the knowledge that she will never be held accountable for her part in destroying the city we love.

    • Ferns February 28, 2023 (5:01 pm)

      Is bashing Lisa HerIs bashing Lisa Herbold a sport for you? Made more delicious because she’s female and bashing female leaders with online anonymity is easy? I just don’t get the intensity and directness of some of the bashing of her in particular. I’d like to know what contributions you’ve made to this community – maybe you should run for her seat since you seem to have all the criticism, if not all the answers, to societal problems. Regardless of what you wrote being accurate or not the point is that it doesn’t matter how much the budget is or his fully it’s funded when there’re are no job applicants to spend it on. It’s a national problem recruiting police, and in fact, hiring for lots of roles across the economy. So I really liked that they’re working on increasing existing officer morale. If you know anything about the field of medicine and medical education, you know that burn out and low morale has been an ongoing problem well before the pandemic, causing highly trained valuable doctors to quit the field. So it’s not just about police and whatever political agenda you’re pushing – people want to feel good about the work they do and the community wants to feel safe. It’s a complex societal problem, and certainly not the sole responsibility of “Lisa Herbold” or any one representative. So I ask again, what are your positive contributions to this community?

      • UpAndAway March 2, 2023 (9:31 am)

        Ferns your post is super bizarre. Why are you bringing up Herbold’s sex? That sounds a bit sexist on your part. Also why are you comparing a random commented’s contributions to an elected official? Elected officials are supposed to represent us and contribute to the community, that is literally their job.Do you honestly expect every person in Seattle to contribute at the level of an elected official? Citizens can’t vote on council measures so I’m confused how you think this would work.You also seem to make another assumption that this person doesn’t contribute to the community, which again feels discriminatory.It’s sad people like you exist in Seattle, which is typically a progressive and friendly place 

    • CAM February 28, 2023 (8:41 pm)

      It is factually inaccurate to keep saying that the dollars in the budget allotted to staffing in SPD have gone down when they have not. Vacant positions have not been cut. The money for those positions, I believe, is being spent by SPD on other budget items while the positions are unfilled. The stink around the most recent budget was not because the Council attempted to cut positions. The proposed budget accounted for the fact it was unrealistic to believe SPD would abruptly fill all of their vacancies and reallocated some of the money from currently vacant positions to other priorities to allow for greater impacts in other areas. That didn’t even end up happening because some people said they were cutting SPD’s budget and everyone went bananas and lost their reading comprehension skills. 

  • Andes March 1, 2023 (8:49 am)

    WhIle I believe that ‘The Herbold” has all the earmarkings of a troll and is best ignored, I am grateful to  Ferns and Cam for taking the time to offer thoughtful, informed replies. And thank you Tracy for the summary and the great reporting on these important meetings – to which few of us can attend. I count at least 10 issues in this article that are all affecting this complex problem which means it’s going to take some very complex answers and solutions.  None are easy or easy to see.  And that sucks for us citizens and WS biz.  And none of which comes down to a single council person  – no matter who sits in the chair – the problems will remain because there’s no real power for this kind of problem in a single seat.   I started watching the video and only got as far as Diaz saying  “1400 less reports of ..” and cannot understand the rest of the sentence. Also, what is that figure in context – what % drop is that?  I think he’s dead-on that stats are skewed because less reporting of crime.  I know I have, my neigbors have – it takes a lot of time and it feels like – “for what”? However, to be clear – as you can see / hear here, stats and data matters – it determines who gets money and attention. So important to report it or they assume it is not happening. 

  • Derek March 1, 2023 (9:55 am)

    Defunding never occurred but it really really should have. Bloated police department budgets would go a long way for our schools and housing issues. 

  • DC March 1, 2023 (2:17 pm)

    I appreciate their optimism towards things improving and the cooperative attitude/culture they seem to be creating. 

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