Comments on: ANDOVER ENCAMPMENT: Councilmembers’ visit; precinct commander’s assurance https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/ West Seattle news, 24/7 Fri, 27 May 2022 17:32:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: Pessoa https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2405025 Fri, 27 May 2022 17:32:14 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2405025 In reply to Not an enabler.

What you’re trying to explicate is a the idea of a communitarian society.  This kind of society is based on the neighborhood model of neighbors looking after each other, encouraging and expecting a certain level of behavior and respect,  But it also relies on honesty and forthwrighteness of community members who realize that they may be as much a part of the problem, as the solution.  The federal policies, for example, that propped up the value of your home may result in inflation that hurt the less affluent in your community.  But no, communitarism doesn’t involve the heavy hand of the state intervening, nor does it involve herding the less affluent into prisons where they can be “rehabilitated” to fit some arbitrary definition of what is acceptable behavior.   

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By: Ws https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404814 Thu, 26 May 2022 05:05:48 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404814 So, will it be like a trash and garbage collecting or rv removal on June 16th?

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By: WSB https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2405208 Wed, 25 May 2022 17:59:52 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2405208 In reply to North Admiral Resident.

Not true. The RVs have been there since 2015. I checked two adjacent parcels at 28th/Yancy. Both have increased in valuation by more than 50 percent since then. – TR

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By: Titanic https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404711 Wed, 25 May 2022 16:08:20 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404711 In reply to WS Resident.

Let’s make sure the first class passengers on the upper deck of the ship are most comfortable and have music and tea and their concerns are heard, before we rescue the 3rd class passengers below.

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By: anonyme https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404679 Wed, 25 May 2022 13:25:41 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404679 In reply to snowskier.

Well said, Snowskier.

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By: Mj https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404637 Wed, 25 May 2022 05:30:58 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404637 zark00 – politicians keep talking about treating everyone equally yet when it comes to basic enforcement of parking and littering codes they employ a double standard.  Either enforce the SMC for everyone equally or don’t enforce it at all.

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By: compassionate solutions https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404631 Wed, 25 May 2022 05:00:37 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404631 https://www.ted.com/talks/richard_j_berry_a_practical_way_to_help_the_homeless_find_work_and_safety

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By: Not an enabler https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404619 Wed, 25 May 2022 02:44:45 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404619 A care-aratarian society, would get in front and confront each and every one of these individuals. It would be compulsory to submit to evaluations, and be housed in a locked down environment while they get their issues addressed, co-create a plan of health and vocational recovery and remain in rehabilitation until such time they are capable of contributing fully to their own health and well being.They would be required to have a sponsor that’s willing to commit to proper enablement. That is where some of the people that decry others for being firm, can stand up, step up and be part of the solution, not an enabler of this sh*t-show, status quo. I am talking to every person that says this is a homelessness issueUse existing facilities, such as military bases, and prisons. Yes prisons. Many need to be held accountable to the rule of law. The outcome…this is the EMPATHY PART.  We no longer accept living, essentially in a dumpster full of stolen property, used needles, your kids chopped bicycle, in a disgusting glide-path to insanity and death is compassion. It is the opposite!Empathy is getting in front of these people and helping them commit to their own well being. And a structure of familial, cultural, avocational supporters that help them be true to the person they once were and can be again.

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By: Alki Resident https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404614 Wed, 25 May 2022 02:20:27 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404614 While I appreciate her compassion, enough is enough. Outreach needs to happen like the other areas the mayor is clearing out. Either they accept the housing options available or move on (and abide by the 72 hour enforcement). Rules and taxes apply to everyone. 

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By: Homey https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404604 Wed, 25 May 2022 01:49:06 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404604 I don’t hate the idea of creating large rv lots and providing basic services, for existing rv’rs needing such a place as an interim solution, not a long term solution. Might even take the idea a step further and suggest looking into procuring more rv’s to provide and use as short term housing at these lots for homeless folks currently outdoors. Rv housing would be better than no housing, providing a legal pace for these people and access to services would be an improvement, and bringing all these folks together would help to bring other services and coordinated care and case management. Also, it might be revelatory to see just how large the need would be, once these lots fill up. Another idea, if there are any shopping malls struggling, maybe the county could buy out these facilities and transform them into centers for the homeless. Again as an interim, short term solution, to help people, to work towards individual housing. Not saying this would be the right direction, just ideas for discussion.

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By: Homey https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404585 Wed, 25 May 2022 01:22:12 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404585 In reply to sargh.

Derek said ‘compassionate solutions’ then followed with ‘or leave them alone.’ Did you all miss the point here? The only way to really help people in such difficult circumstances and suffering is with compassionate solutions. Criminalizing, punishing, and hatefulness of the homeless and poor, adds to their heavy load of difficulty and suffering, which works against them bettering their lives and situations. Consequences for actual crimes, yes, compassionate solutions for homelessness, poverty, and suffering.

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By: Mj https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404578 Wed, 25 May 2022 00:58:02 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404578 zark00 – it’s past time for the City to enforce the law equally to everyone!  Enough already. I was assaulted at my house by a homeless person several years ago and the City still has not prosecuted the perp. This incident still infuriates me.

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By: snowskier https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404571 Wed, 25 May 2022 00:20:13 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404571 In reply to zark00.

You do need to set the rules and consistently enforce them.  Without any enforcement, you end up in the situation we are in where the broken vehicles and trash overwhelm the street adjacent to those neighbors that play by the rules.  We need to continue with the “carrots” of treatment, services, etc but we also need to bring out the “stick” of towing, no living in the parks, etc if we want to see actual change.  The current ‘offer help and hope for the best’ situation isn’t working for anyone.

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By: WSRes https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404564 Wed, 25 May 2022 00:02:59 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404564 Our city is in this situation because of the elected representatives we placed in office. Elections matter and every vote counts. Write them when you have concerns and vote. lisa.herbold@seattle.gov

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By: neighbor https://westseattleblog.com/2022/05/andover-encampment-councilmembers-visit-precinct-commanders-assurance/#comment-2404563 Tue, 24 May 2022 23:59:15 +0000 https://westseattleblog.com/?p=1034953#comment-2404563 In reply to WS Resident.

That’s the LEAST I would ask for… what about the fact that I don’t ever feel safe outside or I can’t sleep bc EVERY night I hear a cart rattling down the street pushed by an encampment resident looking for stuff to steal from properties?? How are we supposed to ask for anything when the bare minimum of safety and respect from these fellow neighborhood “residents” isn’t even considered???

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