Will there be a West Seattle Polar Bear Swim at Alki Beach on New Year’s Day 2021? Here’s the (complicated) answer

In the past few days we’ve been getting inquiries about whether the annual West Seattle Polar Bear Swim is on or off. We asked longtime organizer Mark Ufkes, and here’s his answer, with a preface:

The Year of Perfect Vision; 2020 is finally over. What a ride indeed!

Before we discuss our annual Alki Polar Bear Swim, held on January 1 each year, may I ask a favor; When you go for a walk outside, please wear a reflective SAFETY VEST when you walk. Please! And one for your DOG too!

If Drivers cannot see you or your dog clearly, especially at dusk, they might hit you and hurt you. Pedestrians who wear dark clothing are much more likely to get hit by a car. Death rates are even higher in winter and when it is raining. We can help keep walkers and pedestrians safer; wear a reflective SAFETY VEST every time we walk. I did a Master’s thesis on traffic safety issues (M.A.Ed. at Washington State University), so these observations are backed by scientific research. Improving visibility reduces pedestrian deaths. Wear a safety vest. Thank you.

OK, Now let’s talk Alki Polar Bear Swim:

The New Year’s Day Alki Beach Polar Bear Swim has been going on for almost two decades. It started with 15 adoring friends and family. We then invited all of you, and last year, about 700 mildly-insane folks lined all along Alki Beach, held hands, and, after counting down, went running and screaming into 47-degree Puget Sound. As anyone who participates can attest, it is a great way to “wash away the complexities of the previous year (we had many in 2020), and bathe in the unlimited opportunities that the New Year provides.” And with all the laughing and smiles, it’s great fun too.

For January 1, 2021, we do not want this to become a Trump Super-Spreader Event, so:
There will be no single Polar Bear Swim event on January 1 like we usually do.

Instead, there will be 30 sites along Alki Beach, each separated by 25 feet. Sites will be marked with tall, pink-ribboned stakes (see photo).

All day long, groups of no more than 5-6 each, all wearing masks, can head to Alki, find an open site, social distance as they walk to a site, and hold their own personal Polar Bear Swim.

At any one time along the 1,200-foot-long beach (almost four football fields), the stakes will limit Polar Bear swimmers to no more than 30 small groups, spread out from the Beach House towards beautiful downtown Seattle.

You and your group/family decide on a time (remember, you will have all day), drive along the beach, watch how many sites are open, if a site is open, park and head out to the beach. Everyone reading this has good judgement, so please use it. Don’t participate if you are uncomfortable. If you do participate, wear your mask, stay in your small group, and social distance on the way out and on the way back from the beach.

As soon as your swim is over, promptly towel off and head toward your car so that other small groups can safely access the Polar Bear Swim sites.

An announcer, wearing all pink, will be at the beach all morning, from 9-11:30 am, with the Polar Bear bullhorn, if a small group needs help with a countdown to get up the courage to run into the water. I, for one, could not do this event without the countdown!

Remember, bring and wear a mask, wear water shoes, bring a towel and change of clothes and your hopes and dreams for the New Year!

If you’d rather skip it this year, everyone will understand. But if you participate, you are acknowledging that the benefits of Polar Bear swimming exceed the risks, and that you are in good health, show no symptoms of Covid 19 and have not tested positive. And you agree to wear a mask at the event, practice social distancing, stay in your small group of no more than 5-6 folks, and use one of the properly separated sites on the beach. And if all the sites are taken when you arrive, you agree to return to your car and wait until a site opens up. And finally, you promise to bring a food donation for the local food bank that can be left along the sidewalk at the provided collection bins.

No Spectators! Usually, we have hundreds of spectators watching us, and we love our spectators. Many become swimmers later in their lives. But this year, we respectfully ask that spectators stay at home!

Good luck next year. Make 2021 the best year of your life!

Mark L. Ufkes (Alki Polar Bear enthusiast and optimist extraordinaire)

83 Replies to "Will there be a West Seattle Polar Bear Swim at Alki Beach on New Year's Day 2021? Here's the (complicated) answer"

  • TJ December 28, 2020 (11:40 am)

    As always, Mark never misses a opportunity to bring politics into it. 

  • John Doe December 28, 2020 (11:48 am)

    As a conservative, I am deeply offended that your article references this as a ‘Trump super-spreader event’. Considering our president helped facilitate the development of the quickest vaccine in history and has done more to combat COVID-19 than any of the incompetent democratic governors in this country, I would advise you check your facts. I am aware that the national media is completely biased in their reporting, but is it too much to ask for our local media to report news through a non-political lense? There are plenty of Trump supporters in West Seattle who are tired of being ridiculed and forced into silence. Stop the fear mongering. Stop the political bias. 

    • WSB December 28, 2020 (11:59 am)

      That is part of Mark’s announcement. The blue-blocked text (if you are viewing on the web or main mobile view) or indented italicized text (alternate mobile view) is always a direct quote, whether an announcement or news release or lengthy quote. – TR

    • MB December 28, 2020 (12:08 pm)

      Considering our president helped facilitate the development of the quickest vaccine in history and has done more to combat COVID-19 than any of the incompetent democratic governors in this country,

      The irony here is being offended at a reference to Trump, then immediately calling all Democratic governors incompetent. If you’re calling for an end to political bias please be the first to practice it. Otherwise you just look like you want a safe space.

    • Carson December 28, 2020 (12:24 pm)

      As a conservative Trump offends me. 

    • Jort December 28, 2020 (12:32 pm)

      Trump supporters are being “forced into silence”? I wish! We must have very different ideas about what constitutes “silence,” because from my  perspective, members of Team Trump, who have been un-silently in control of the federal government for four years seem to have no troubles flapping their mouths off at every opportunity, usually ejecting filth and garbage without constraint. 

    • Cam December 28, 2020 (12:37 pm)

      And unless you’re name really is John Doe, you must not be proud of your choices to use your real name. 

    • Stefen December 28, 2020 (1:31 pm)

      Stop the fear mongering? Fear mongering is basically the entire gop platform bud. 

    • Lol December 28, 2020 (3:28 pm)

      LOL!!!!  Love the truth, Trump is a super spreader America voted !! Stop crying ,dry ur eye and carry on  🤣 this is a new year tradition not a journal . Get a therapist a journal and a new pen. 

    • Molly December 28, 2020 (4:30 pm)

      “Helped facilitate”? The first vaccine was created in Germany by two Turkish immigrants. Give credit to the scientists, not from the person who pretended like he knew what was going on while lying to the public. 

    • WS New Guy December 28, 2020 (5:04 pm)

      Tell us how you really feel? BTW, FYI Trump is a loser!

    • LivesInWS December 28, 2020 (5:21 pm)

      Sorry, but your facts are wrong. The first vaccine to be ready and approved for use in the US — the Pfizer vaccine — was designed and manufactured completely without any funding or direction from Trump. 

      • Leah M December 28, 2020 (9:46 pm)

        $1.95 billion in Gov’t funding to Pfizer. Sorry dears, but they were part of Operation Warp Speed whether you like it or not. Let’s all have a fun day with the plunge and leave the endless politics out of it

        • BC December 29, 2020 (6:04 am)

          The $1.95B was an advance purchase agreement that they received when they delivered the vaccine. It was not a grant to fund research and development.

          • Pessoa December 29, 2020 (9:26 am)

            What is your point?  An advance purchase agreement softens the financial risk of development.  It is false to claim that the Trump administration had no part in bring the vaccine to the public. 

          • reality check December 29, 2020 (6:05 pm)

            Any administration would have passed funding in support of a vaccine. This isn’t a special accomplishment, it was a basic and necessary response of government.

    • wscommuter December 28, 2020 (5:46 pm)

      Get over it.  For godsakes … and if you want to say Trump hasn’t screwed this up, consider the hard truth: the U.S. has 4% of the world’s population and 19% of the world’s Covid deaths.  Nothing like stellar national leadership.  

    • Aw December 28, 2020 (7:26 pm)

      Yea, his suggestion to inject lysol was SUPER helpful. His refusal to endorse wearing masks, also SUPER HELPFUL.PLS.  Keep your opinions to yourself if you don’t want anyone else airing their opinions. 

    • Mark Ufkes December 28, 2020 (7:52 pm)

      Thank you John Doe for reminding everyone to wear a reflective safety vest when they go for a walk outside, especially at dusk, and when it rains.  Mark L.  Ufkes   

      • Melissa December 29, 2020 (8:43 am)

        Thank you, Mark, for facilitating a wonderful event and helping create a way for it to happen safely during this pandemic. I hereby proclaim you Exemplary Polar Bear Citizen!

    • Michael Martens December 29, 2020 (4:59 pm)

      As an avid open water swimmer, I applaud the effort to conduct the polar bear plunge while adhering to the limitations placed upon us. This is not a political arena, just a site for swimming enthusiasts.  Let’s rise above and keep our site that way. Choose another platform for political arena, please. 

    • Mark Noonan December 30, 2020 (3:38 pm)

      Well, I think he could have worded it differently But essentially he’s right. It’s mostly Trump supporters who defy the Center for Disease Control’s Guidelines. Just like it was mostly liberals who participated in the BLM Protests.  

  • Vanessa December 28, 2020 (12:05 pm)

    Thank you for your clear message. I dont give a rat’s patootie, if some of you are offended by reminding you that the trump super-spreader events are partially responsible for the 10s of thousands of deaths in this country. THANK YOU FOR YOUR REMINDER>TILL DEATH DO US PART>  I hope I can never feel this much animosity toward my fellow Republicans and Democrats who think this virus is a hoax SOON.. Perhaps jumping in the Sound would do me good.

  • Marge E. December 28, 2020 (12:09 pm)

      wouldn’t be safer to fill your bath with icy water,  jump in the bath r and call it good?

  • Cam December 28, 2020 (12:35 pm)

    We’ll be there in the morning! This has become an important part of our New Year’s day over the last five years! 

  • Smittytheclown December 28, 2020 (12:48 pm)

    I’m confused.  Are we supposed to wear masks?  It’s only mentioned four times and my favorite station (CNN of course!) and surgeon general Gupta mention it at least 10 times per hour.  Please clarify!

    • reality check December 28, 2020 (4:03 pm)

      Isn’t it frustrating that so much explanation, encouragement, and reminding is necessary?

      Sadly there are still folks remiss to wear one or to wear one properly. I find this confusing.

      Have fun ‘polar bears!’

    • Jort December 28, 2020 (6:58 pm)

      Hurr hurr hurr let’s make fun of measures to prevent spread of the most deadly epidemic in 100 years HURR HURR!

  • payattention December 28, 2020 (12:58 pm)

    John Doe. Thanks for the troll.  I don’t know of ANY thinking person that believes Trump did anything but make covid WORSE. 

  • SlimJim December 28, 2020 (1:05 pm)

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about my bathtub! Good luck to those who do the polar bear thing, I’m not against it at all, but I think I’ll do a dip in my own tub. And just to prove what a wimp I am I’m using hot water. Sounds a whole lot more fun to me! ;-)

    • Mark Noonan December 30, 2020 (3:42 pm)

      You’re definitely not a wimp. I did it once. The next thing I know I’m on the beach.  Well it looked like the cold water shock caused me to pass out. Glad hundreds of people were there.  I haven’t done it since. And I don’t plan to. Maybe I shouldn’t have jumped of the dock. Lol. 

  • Guy December 28, 2020 (2:16 pm)

    John Doe-if you don’t want to participate, don’t. And you might want to do some fact-checking of your own statements.

  • anthony davila December 28, 2020 (2:48 pm)

    Don’t disparage the good name ofJohn  Doe of the band  XMaybe it was a typo?Probably dropped  the p in the Do(p)eDarn auto correct ☮

    • waikikigirl December 29, 2020 (8:06 am)

      @Anthony, LOL!!!! Best reply/comment so far!!! ha ha ha!

  • West Seattle Lurker December 28, 2020 (3:20 pm)

    Separating people on the beach does little to mitigate the congregation of them on the sidewalks, parking, at the 4 available bathrooms. This will be a super spreader event due to those limitations. 

  • Shivering John December 28, 2020 (4:51 pm)

    Mark’s announcement is more like a decree.  Under what authority is he allowed to make such demands of citizens’ use our public parks and beaches?And with such power,  how about doing some good by Mr. Ufkes also banning beach bonfires?

    • Stefen December 28, 2020 (7:04 pm)

      Then don’t go. Shiver in silence. 

    • Mark Noonan December 30, 2020 (3:50 pm)

      They have the absolute authority to do this.  RCW 43.06.220: STATE OF EMERGENCY-Powers Granted to Washington State’s Governor.Chapter 43.70 RCW: DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH-Access Washington. The first RCW Is the most powerful.  Health Department Do have the authority to legally shut down a business for health code violations. However, they definitely do nit have the authority to order a blanket closure of an entire community. That Power resides with the Governor. And the only thing the legislature can do about it is passing legislation to override Governor Inslee’s Declaration of Emergency. But many WA. Republicans now realize the dire gravity of the threat that COVID-19 has on, not just health, but on the Economy as Well. 

  • Pessoa December 28, 2020 (5:16 pm)

    I’m be in my warm bathtub reading Nietzsche and laughing at how millions were so easily conned into voting for someone who eagerly signed on to the Iraq War (remember that little conflict?), who did more than his part to to put thousands of black men in prison for low level crimes, and was a member of the Deporter in Chief administration.  Oh, and did I mention Libya?  Have a nice time, dearies. 

    • Melissa December 29, 2020 (8:45 am)

      Reading Nietzsche….

      • heartless December 29, 2020 (9:56 am)

        Melissa, I know, right?  Pessoa is the embodiment of “I am very smart.” 

        Whatever, it was hilarious reading the comments from all the sad and confused Trump Trolls.

        • Pessoa December 29, 2020 (11:56 am)

          Predictable.  “Troll” is the easy way out when people find their cherished beliefs being challenged and in desperation, lash out.  

          • heartless December 29, 2020 (4:15 pm)

            I am sitting here laughing that you think you have “challenged” anyone’s beliefs.

            Enjoy not actually taking a bath and not actually reading Nietzsche!

        • Pessoa December 29, 2020 (7:08 pm)

          You understand that you’re trolling, right?  Oh, and I will have a splendid bath. 

  • LEO December 28, 2020 (5:21 pm)


  • Mj December 28, 2020 (5:37 pm)

    West Seattle Lurker – being outside in itself significantly lowers the risk, if this wasn’t the case all the protests last summer would have resulted in massive spike in cases. 

    And there is no need to wear a mask outside if you stay six feet away from other’s.

  • 12 timer December 28, 2020 (5:41 pm)

    Hard pass for me this year – so many demands it doesn’t sound like any fun at all. If only there were other locations that had water access here on west seattle island. 

  • BMC December 28, 2020 (6:09 pm)

    Well it sounds like a dud event with too many restrictions – but hope its fun for some : ) NO spectators? why the hell not? Are parks closed? Don’t think so?

    • Alki resident December 28, 2020 (9:10 pm)

      Public beach, bring your friends and jump in. Nobody can stop you. This whole thread is embarrassing. I’m appalled that a polar swim has become so political. Some days I’m so sick of humans. 

      • heartless December 29, 2020 (9:57 am)

        Why would something being political appall you?

        • Alki resident December 29, 2020 (10:22 am)

          Is it possible to go to the beach and jump in the water and have fun without all of this other bs conversation? It didn’t use to be like this. The post would be about the polar swim and nothing more. Maybe you’re new here. 

          • heartless December 29, 2020 (11:48 am)

            Yes.  Believe it or not, it is indeed possible to go to the beach and jump in the water without any of this.  Do you want a step-by-step guide?

            And I notice you didn’t answer my query: why would something being political in and of itself appall you?

          • reality check December 29, 2020 (11:50 am)

            ‘It didn’t use to be like this.’

            You’re right, we’ve never been in a pandemic like this before. Times have changed.

            And this pandemic situation shouldn’t be a political thing, it should be a reality thing.

            Unfortunately, Trump made this into a political thing.

  • LiouxLioux December 28, 2020 (6:22 pm)

    Looks like we’re getting some winter precipitation with all these conservative snowflakes showing up!

  • John Cole December 28, 2020 (6:40 pm)

    Enough of politics !!!!!!   Please. This is about something as simple as jumping in the Puget Sound on January 1st nothing more.

  • Pessoa December 28, 2020 (9:40 pm)

    A few facts about Trump, Covid-19 and the vaccine. The truth is usually in the middle somewhere.1)  True, Pfizer did not receive money up front for development of the vaccine.  Pfizer did, however, receive $2 billion purchase agreement  from the Trump administration to buy the vaccine when it was developed.  I am sure the other companies did as well, but one can’t say that Trump administration had no involvement in Pfizer bring the vaccine to the public.  2)  Trump endorsed wearing masks and social distancing at nearly all of his press conferences usually with Fauci and Brix by his side.  (They are all available online, by the way.)  Could he have been more careful? Probably, but he was playing the good cop bad cop routine with Dr. Fauci.  Both of them couldn’t be all gloom and doom. 3)  Britain has lost 71,000 to Covid-19.  Adjusting for population size, Britain has nearly the same Covid mortality rate per 100,000 as the U.S.  So, if you are going to condemn Trump, there is at least one other world leader who deserves condemnation as well.   Let’s have a little gratitude, a vaccine was developed in record time and it might save your life, or someone you love.  

    • CAM December 29, 2020 (12:55 am)

      Aside from the fact the government (not Trump) bought the vaccine from Pfizer (and rejected an offer of increased doses which we could have received sooner to vaccinate more people more quickly) none of that is accurate. A pandemic is not a PR event. Doom and gloom is the general theme until things are under control unless you’d prefer to be lied to. Trump literally pulled a mask from his pocket at media events and said they were recommended but that he wasn’t going to be caught wearing one. He then went to large rallies where he discouraged attendees from wearing masks and mocked people who did wear them. The truth is not in the middle. It’s right out there on the cliff with all the current efforts to install himself as an unelected oligarchy. The moment we can stop having to refute and discuss this nonsense can’t come soon enough. 23 days. 

  • Truth December 29, 2020 (7:14 am)

    Yeah, that would’a been weird if both Fauci AND Trump had told the truth.

  • reality check December 29, 2020 (8:54 am)

    People will believe what they want.

    But ironically, the biggest ‘fake news’ source is Trump himself.

    Why people would buy into this one mans selfishly motivated rhetoric rather than decipher the facts from listening to and examining all the info, thinking for themselves, and trusting other intelligent people, and news sources, is so perplexing.

    Maybe it just really comes down to people will believe what they want, they will stop listening and tune out facts, if the narrative suits them?

  • Michelle Laughlin December 29, 2020 (9:51 am)

    Why can’t he make his announcement without being political? 

  • CommonSense December 29, 2020 (11:47 am)

    As a lifelong Democrat it makes me sad to see so many from my party name calling others in our community just because they don’t share the same political leanings.  I, like I certainly hope everyone here, have friends that are Democrats and friends that are Republicans.  If your sphere of humanity only includes those who MUST agree with your politics – I feel bad for you. I am hoping we as a county and as a city can drop the “neener-neener” attitude and just let folks be.  I voted for Biden, my lovely elderly neighbor voted for Trump – and?? so?? Who cares!  She is still a really nice person.  

    • reality check December 29, 2020 (3:01 pm)

      I agree with you that a ‘neener neener’ attitude isn’t productive, nor kind. I also agree that there are ‘nice’ people on opposite political lines.

      But, I do understand that underlying some of these comments is actual deep concern and frustration and a sense of helplessness over some major issues and the division in our country.

      What I care about is that we have a serious health crisis in our country, and that we aren’t all on the same page with how to respond to it and take responsibility in a way that will be better for so many and save peoples lives.

      What I am concerned about is that people are tuning out factual news that they need to listen to and trust because a charismatic media personality had convinced many to tune out and not respond responsibly to this pandemic.

      I think it’s understandable people are voicing frustrations and expressing concern, though I agree insults and razzing isn’t the highest form of self expression.

      I wish we would all stop talking about Trump and Biden and talk about this pandemic and how to help each other through it.

      Can we start with everyone watching this and trying to understand, this is real, this human suffering is real?

      ‘Oxygen supply issues forced five Los Angeles-area hospitals to declare an ‘internal disaster’https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/us/california-hospital-oxygen-covid/index.html

      Why can’t we all agree we should be doing as much as possible to prevent more of this suffering?

  • Sunny Murphy December 29, 2020 (3:41 pm)

    “TRUMP Super-Spreader event”.  Seriously?  Are we getting together to spread the love for Trump?  Because we certainly don’t need more hate.

    • heartless December 29, 2020 (6:54 pm)

      Yes, many people are getting together to spread (among other things!) the love for Trump.  There are rallies all over the place, pretty much every week.  What’s even better is you don’t even have to mask up to attend!

  • CommonSense December 29, 2020 (5:56 pm)

    If you want to know what “political tribalization” looks like, look no further than the snark of a “Trump Super Spreader Event” to describe what should be a great time for everyone to willingly dunk themselves in freezing cold seaweed ensconced water.    I am sure of the 700+ people that jump in the water many are Republicans and Trump voters.  Imagine if you lived in a majority conservative area and they were snarking at Biden.   The use of that phrase “Trump Super Spreader” is just lame, petty, presumptive and unnecessary.  All that needed to be said was – won’t be having the plunge this year.  Period.   Responsibility of bringing politics into this event lie on the author and the blog editor.  Will WSB post future local news blurbs that disparage Joe Biden supporters?  This is what tribalization looks like people.

    • reality check December 29, 2020 (6:34 pm)

      I hear you, and agree that ‘Trump’ could have simply been omitted from Mark’s announcement, to be less political.

      I don’t agree though that the term ‘super-spreader event’ is offensive or political. It is an epidemiological related concern and not political or some ‘fake news’ invention.

    • heartless December 29, 2020 (10:38 pm)

      Yes… A major cause of political tribalization was one word in a local announcement for a New Year’s swim.  Good catch.

      “Imagine if you lived in a majority conservative area and they were snarking at Biden.”

      From this very comment section:

      “[Biden]  did more than his part to to put thousands of black men in prison for low level crimes, and was a member of the Deporter in Chief administration.  Oh, and did I mention Libya?”

      One doesn’t need to “imagine” people “snarking at” Biden, or anybody else, no matter that we don’t live in a place anywhere close conservative.  So no, we don’t need to imagine it.  We live with it daily. 

      One gets used to it.  One toughens up.  I suggest you do the same.

  • Michelle Laughlin December 29, 2020 (6:41 pm)

    Under what authority does this person get to dictate who can go to the beach and also tell them what they can look at?

    • reality check December 30, 2020 (6:53 am)

      As the event organizer, they have the authority and also the responsibility to organize in a way during a public health crisis of a pandemic, that follows the safety guidance of the CDC and our local Public Health Department.

      You have the personal freedom to participate in your own polar bear experience and jump in the water wherever and whenever you want and have your friends watch. Go for it.

  • Kamala December 30, 2020 (12:56 am)

    I just heard that a “conservative” group was planning on crashing this event. The organizer apparently pissed off a few people for the Trump comment and the fact he was trying to dictate how to operate on a public beach. Sounds like I might just go down there to “spectate” this guy flip his lid when Right Wing protestors show up in speedos and no masks and take over the beach. 

    • WSB December 30, 2020 (5:07 am)

      Every year somebody makes a threat like that. Every year, the “protesters” – or people organizing their own swim, or whatever – never show up. I am sure Mark will be thrilled by anyone who shows up for a run into the sea, regardless of their political persuasion.

  • Pessoa December 30, 2020 (9:10 am)

    Kettle:  Meet pot.   Your posts are like ironies within ironies, you know, like one of the Russian dolls.  You tell people to toughen up, and at the same time you equate someone bringing up Biden’s record, either as a senator, or as vice president, to outright trashing of Trump? Welcome to the world of the conservative.  We’d endured these primitive brainstem spasms from the left for decades, literally. 

  • Pessoa December 30, 2020 (1:28 pm)

    Clarification:  My comment was directed at “Heartless,”  not Michelle Laughlin.  And, I’m done. I will have to say that the WSB has been, over all, fair in curating this thread and allowing all voices to be heard.  The comments that didn’t make it probably shouldn’t have (I’m thinking of myself).  Sometimes a curator is our best friend.  

  • rd December 30, 2020 (11:57 pm)

    Regardless of what we say about our politicians: the good, the bad, the ugly, that doesn’t take away from the fact that 2020 was the year of the virus.  Over 300 k have died just here in the United States.  Could more of been done to prevent the virus from spreading maybe and maybe not.  We will never know.  Some say being forced to wear a mask is wrong.  I would have liked to have those that choose not to wear a mask sign a decree stating that they would not seek medical attention if they caught the virus.  I’m sure many would say they would have signed but few actually would have.  Regardless of what side of the political fence you are on say a prayer to those that have died and be grateful you are still alive to be able to voice your child like comments on this forum.   

    • heartless December 31, 2020 (7:07 pm)

      I think I get the message you’re going for, but, I tell ya, you are really messing it up:

      “Could more of been done to prevent the virus from spreading maybe and maybe not.”

      Nope.  More could have been done!  More should have been done.  More OUGHT to have been done.  No maybe about it.

      “We will never know.”

      Nope, we know.  We absolutely know.  More could have been done.  This is not even an arguable point.

      “Regardless of what side of the political fence you are on say a prayer to those that have died”

      Thoughts and prayers!  Not a fan of Veep, I take it.

  • Devoda January 1, 2021 (7:59 am)

    You have to remember to think about the statement. “The benefits exceed the risks”. Is catching Covid no matter how small the risk worth the benefit?

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