VIDEO: Business records at issue in latest City Council District 1 debate, plus topics from taxes to sex work

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The face-to-face politeness in the Seattle City Council District 1 race ended last night at Youngstown Cultural Arts Center.

During the hourlong debate presented by Seattle CityClub, when the candidates were given the chance to ask each other a question, incumbent Lisa Herbold accused challenger Phil Tavel of mismanagement in his business dealings, and followed that up with an email sent to her campaign mailing list.

We’ve subsequently spent hours searching public records for corroboration of her allegations. So before we get to the rest of the debate, here’s what we found:

She listed 12 businesses with which Tavel was involved dating back to 2001, all LLCs or PLLCs “administratively dissolved” by the state for failure to file required reports and/or non-renewal. Secretary of State records confirm the administrative dissolutions. We also searched the state system for Herbold’s name and found one LLC formed in 2013 and administratively dissolved by the state in 2014 for the same reason..

Herbold’s allegations also included warrants for unpaid state taxes by one of Tavel’s companies and court action taken over a bounced $3,100 check. Records verify both cases, since closed.

When Herbold brought this up during the debate, Tavel was flustered, at first denying involvement, then when shown the list, acknowledging it and mentioning former business partners; records show others involved in most of the entities. After the debate, we emailed Tavel to request comment. A campaign representative sent this reply: “This is a desperate attack. I look forward to providing more information and am disappointed that this is the tone that Councilmember Herbold set after calling for civility and a clean campaign.” (Herbold had decried “divisive attack mailers” sent by third-party organizations opposing her and supporting Tavel before the August primary.) We also asked Herbold about her state-dissolved LLC; she replied by email, “Bob [her husband] and I were looking into doing a hobby distillery. We didn’t pursue it.”

The rest of the debate, moderated by Seattle Times reporter Heidi Groover and KUOW’s Ross Reynolds, was a lot like previous debates/forums. CityClub recorded it and will link the video here when ready (added 6:28 pm, here’s the video):

We took notes and our summaries (exact quotes only when denoted by quotation marks) are below:

Q: Why should voters choose you?

Tavel: “I want to be the leader here in this city that can bring new skills, new experiences to the table … with the problems we’re seeing in this city that’s what we need.” He says his past as a businessperson is also a reason.

Herbold. “I bring a lot of really important experience when the (city) is really going to need that .. I have a proven track record of deliverng for constituents in District 1 … things like getting the streetlights fixed .. I deliver for our district because I know how City Hall works.” But she says she understands the big-picture policy issues too.

Q: How would you separate the needs of homeless people trying to get back on their feet and homeless people who refuse help?

Herbold: She doesn’t separate the two but “you have to devise different interventions for different problems … you need interventions that are tailored to the people’s needs.” She supports “enhanced shelter” that’s “low barrier” with “sustained case management.”

Tavel: “Through expanding the LEAD program, Navigation Teams, homeless service providers with a track record of getting results … if we expand those programs, we’ll be able to reach out to all the people in the city that want help …. we’ll be able to identify those people quickly.” Then they’ll have to deal “separately” with those who decline help.

Q: Tavel is asked what he meant by “we’re going to continue to fail” if homelessness is defined as a housing problem

Tavel: He says many people in the street don’t just “need a few dollars for rent,” they have issues, drugs, mental health. “We need to help them and just providing housing is mot the answer.”

Herbold: “We can argue all day long about what the greatest causes of homelessness are … regardless of what the causes of homelessness are, the solution is always going to be housing … permanent supportive housing” works whatever people’s issues are. She says 95 percent of the people who get into supportive housing stay in it.

Q: District 5 candidate Ann Davison Sattler wants to build “FEMA-style shelters” at three sites including the former Harbor Island flour mill, and thinks that would house 5,500 people. Would you support it?

Herbold: She quotes (California Governor) Gavin Newsom as saying that shelter is a solution to not having a place to sleep, not I commissioned an audit of the Nav Team’s work last year and it said that the city should look into FEMA tents. I support looking into it. I think it’s a worthy issue.

Tavel: That actually is a good first step. We have people living in conditions where it’s unhealthy for them and for everyone around them. It’s a step toward finding jobs, help, hope.

Q: Do you support the Durkan Administration’s increase of no-notice sweeps and a policy cracking down on RVs?

Tavel: I think the mayor is attempting to do something, which is good. Now we’re starting to see some activity. I think we can do better things. It’s a good thing to deaal with RVs but as far as just sweeping people, it’s dehumanizing and that’s not the answer.

Herbold: The role I’ve played re: Navigation Team … to provide oversight and guidance for continuous improvement of their processes. I commissioned an audit and it has resulted in a number of improvements ,,, get the Nav Team access to funding for diversion … also re: RVs I have championed the remediation program when the city identifies high-profile locations.

Followup Q: But – a specific response to the mayor’s legislation?

Herbold: Like the city has the ability to shut down a rental unit unfit for habitation, RV situation is similar, but if we’re going to take RVs, we should provide financial assistance.

Tavel: I support the current legislation.,

Q: What has Herbold done regarding programs that aren’t working to reduce homelessness?

Herbold: She mentions reports including transforming the shelter system to enhanced shelter. We’e doing that. Gradually transforming as much of our basic shelter as possible to enhanced shelter.

Q: To Tavel – has the city done enough?

Tavel: “Absolutely not – look at the All Home website – 370 providers were looked at – the number that have met five of five standards is one. 4 of 5 standards? Less than 10 percent. And 3 of 5 targeted standards, less than 50 percent … we are not holding those people accountable.

Herbold: The All Home website is for the county as well as city, not just city providers. We had a conversation at City Hall the other day with HSD. Asked why basic and enhanced shelter seem to have the same outcomes.

Tavel: We’re just not doing it. Doesn’t matter if some are regional. Not reasonable. We are spending so much administrative money that the money is not getting to the people who need help.

Q: King County Council proposal for bus tickets to get homeless people out of town – do you support?

Tavel: Many came here, found themselves in a different situation than they expected, they literally do not have ability to get home, I appreciate the $ … when we can help someone get home.

Herbold: My audit resulted in recommendations that Nav Team have access to diversion services which include family reunification.

Q: Herbold opposes Center City streetcar project. But that would leave two lines not connected.

Herbold: That’s not the end of the world – there’s fantastic bus service that connects them. Money should go to light rail. That’s at least $50 million that could be used … plus $50 million debt financing … that’ at least $100 million (for light rail).

Tavel: I’d like to see the connector finished. but we have far more pressing needs than the connector. Need to address pressing issues. Public safety, homelessness, affordability concerning people.

Q: Both of you support a light-rail tunnel. Could cost a lot of money and there’s pushback. Where should the money come from?

Tavel: They’re only 5% of the way into the planning process so “you can’t tell me we know” what the price tag is going to be … “this is a generational choice ..we do not want to see that concrete monstrosity through our neighborhoods.” Apply for federal funds? State funds? Talk to Nucor?

Herbold: We are getting to the point where we need to be serious about where the $ s coming from. The costs come down the closer you get to design. I think the price tag will come down. I am really concerned that I appear to be the only person talking about where those dollars are coming from

Followup Q: Does Herbold have a specific funding source in mind?

Herbold: Beyond the $100 million, no.

(Editor’s note: The next question was for Tavel, about fines he hadn’t paid, which he acknowledged. 7:12 pm update: As originally noted, our notes fell short here so we waited to check the video, which we now have done. The question was why he hadn’t paid $1,070 in traffic fines. He said he needed to work with the court to get those out of collection.)

Q: Position on converting city golf courses into affordable housing?

Tavel: I do not want to have that happen. We do not have a problem large enough that would require losing the golf course.

Herbold: Likewise. I don’t know of any plan to convert golf courses into housing. The Mayor’s study actually has recommendations that are pro-golf.

Q: Each was invited to ask the other a question.

Tavel to Herbold: If re-elected, do you plan to reintroduce the head tax?

Herbold: No. I just got email from a small biz owner in Kirkland who says they pay $110 per employee and it’s not a big deal. It’s not unusual to have a conversation in a state with an upside-down tax system. We need to address that. I’m excited about the possible large-earner income tax.

(Editor’s note: This is where Herbold asked Tavel about his past businesses, as detailed at the start of the story.)

Q: How should the city be preparing in case of recession?
Tavel: I would support going to departments to find places we don’t need projects right now – departments tell me a lot of projects are not being managed properly – we can see that in our streets, which get torn up, fixed, then torn up for another project.

Herbold: The city works to prepare for a recession every day. We have a rainy day fund, etc. The city’s budget director is good at preparing. “There was a time when we had to tighten our belts and we did.”

Q: Do you support the (proposed) tax on high earners?

Tavel: I do. My issue is that we’re spending a lot of money on a tax that currently is not supported by law. But I do see the high-earners tax as a way to generate revenue in a non-regressive way.

Herbold: I am so excited because this will allow us to rely less on our regressive tax. First priority that I made sure is in the tax proposal, dial down or sales and property tax. ….. “Not only is this terrific for Seattle – remember, this (anti-income-tax ruling) was a 5-4 decision in the ’30s …” this could allow others to do it.

Q: What’s the city spending too much money on and why?

Herbold: I supported efforts to find funding so we could hire more police … though we approved that we can’t find the officers .. so we’re spending too much on overtime… important to get out from under the consent decree so we can hire more.

Tavel: SDOT, spending a lot of money needlessly. … we’re spending more money on transportation than we need to .. some of the places we’ve put bike lanes that aren’t separated … a lot of money spent needlessly .. a lot of money on intersection curbs where you come off and five feet away the sidewalk is crumbling.

Q: Should Seattle allow more duplexes and triplexes on more blocks? Where?

Tavel: We are going to have to expand our urban village borders. But keep it as close to transit as possible. Westwood Village is one of those areas we could add housing.

Herbold: I want more experience for city around newly approved Residential Small Lot zoning, find out … we’ve just changed all the SF zoning in urban villages, I would like to see how the development changes before we change all SF zoming to RSL. The Planning Commmission has exciting recommendations … Where? The Junction, for one.

Q: Rent control? Is it worth the fight?

Herbold: A loaded term …. I support removing prohibition in state law, don’t know if it’s control or stabilization or limiting the number of increases. I support rent regulations.

Tavel: No, I don’t support rent control. In NYC it created an administrative nightmare.

Q: Crosscut reported that police have returned to arresting sex workers. Should it be decriminalized?

Tavel: We should look at people selling sex as victims. I have represented many.
Decriminalizing it is a first step but it’s a dangerous slippery slope. Arrest might give them a chance “to get out of that cycle.” Does not support decriminalizing buying sex.

Herbold: She worked with Jeanne Kohl-Welles in changing term “prostitution.” … Problem we’re facing right now is we don’t have enough funding for LEAD and so they’ve returned to prosecuting. Need to expand LEAD funding.

Q: What’s D-1 most pressing public safety problem?

Herbold: The Microcommunity Policing Plans say the #1 identified problem – last year was police visibility, this year property theft – police staffing is a way to get at the issue – need to grow the size of the police department. – we’re falling behind (the added-staffing numbers approved) – I support doing more for retention of existing officers.

Tavel: He’s on the SW Precinct Advisory Council -two things right now, rise in property crimes … and rise in violent crimes. I’m hearing that those are the main concerns right now. We need to start thinking about addressing those issues, it’s a staffing issue. We need a City Council that is supportive of police, to raise their morale.

Followup Q: Do you hear concerns about being overpoliced?

Herbold: No. Even low income areas want more police. Concerned about safety

Tavel: That is something I have heard, in immigrant and minority communities. As a publi defender, I also see this. We need better polie visibility but need to be sure it’s unbiased policing.

Q: To Tavel – Why do you oppose safe injection sites?

Tavel: Not something we need. The report the city bases it on talks about people 15 to 69 using these sites. How can we be allowing people as young as 15 to shoot up? Increased crime around sits … supports harm reduction but some other way.

Herbold: I call them overdose prevention sites. It’s an investment in law enforcement response and hospital costs. You can’t say you support harm reduction but not overdose prevention sites. They link people to services. Also prevents HIV and Hepatitis A.

Q: Police staffing. Any specific programs city should implement?

Tavel: City Council, mayor, attorney who are on the same page as the police force. Not thanking them for the job they do (is bad). Those are all the things we need to fix. And make sure you re paying them.

Herbold: It upsets me when you refer to a council not supporting the police. We can’t all be held accountable for what one member says. I publicly thank them and supported their budget – 55 percent of the city budget is public safety . “I support our police department.”

Q: What do you think about Councilmember Lorena González’s proposal to limit large campaign donations?

Herbold: I think it’s very interesting. We passed district electiins, Democracy Vouchers … Every reform we do, sometimes there’s an unintended consequence,

Tavel: Absolutely, more should be done to limit campaign spending. It’s a big problem. I support that. Yes, I benefited from the Downtown Chamber funding. I asked for their endorsement, not their money. We SHOULD remove that from the system.

Both gave a closing statement. They mentioned their endorsements; Tavel repeated his theme that the city needs change.

WHAT’S NEXT: Again, CityClub says it’ll publish video of the debate when ready – its YouTube channel is here (update: video’s up; go here). Four more forums/debates are planned between now and October 21st; next one, Monday (October 14th), . Voting starts once ballots are mailed and received by the end of next week – deadline, Election Day, November 5th.

56 Replies to "VIDEO: Business records at issue in latest City Council District 1 debate, plus topics from taxes to sex work"

  • Concerned citizen October 11, 2019 (7:51 pm)

    Herbold is despicable, no idea how any rational adult who pays attention could vote for such an objective failure. Of course she’d go dirty like this, no morals.

    • Ivan Weiss October 11, 2019 (10:37 pm)

      It takes a lot of nerve, and some pretty warped sensibilities, to call a political candidate “despicable” for pointing out an opponent’s history that is verified by public records. This has only been going on in politics since politics were invented. Dial it down, buddy. You do yourself no credit, and you’re not helping your candidate very much either.

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      Reading the answers to each of these questions reveals that Tavel doesn’t really disagree with Herbold on very much, if anything, and that if elected, he were to follow through on everything he claims to stand for, there would be very little change in policy. All you’d be getting is a newbie with a steep learning curve, who claims to offer a lot of “new and different” skills that he really hasn’t demonstrated yet. Why would anybody want somebody writing your laws and making policy for the city who doesn’t even pay his parking tickets? What the hell kind of example is that to set?

      • Diane October 12, 2019 (4:50 pm)

        exactly, “Why would anybody want somebody writing your laws and making policy for the city who doesn’t even pay his parking tickets? What the hell kind of example is that to set?” And that’s $1,070 in collections for unpaid city traffic fines

        • GreenLakesLover October 13, 2019 (1:27 am)

          Tavel not paying a fine isn’t the only issue of character here. Driving without insurance is a selfish irresponsible act that could have financially hurt innocent people had there been an accident. He can’t obfuscate how seriously wrong this was by blaming his business partners. The choice to drive without insurance lies squarely with Tavel and no one else. Sheepishly grinning and shrugging his shoulders like an irresponsible teenager as he admitted he had not paid a traffic fine from 2015, says volumes about Tavel’s character. It’s clear this man should not be entrusted with the duties and responsibilities of our District 1 City Council seat.

  • Tax Man October 11, 2019 (8:09 pm)

    According to Herbold’s SEEC F1 form she listed a creditor as “US Treasury”. I am willing to put money on that being back taxes…  

  • Cbj October 11, 2019 (8:14 pm)

    Amen,  she has been a failure in dealing with ongoing city and community issues, not to mention totally arrogant, doesn’t respond to emails or calls and when I have tried to ask questions at her open office hours she is dismissive and patronizing.  Can’t wait till she is kicked to the curb

  • Head tax catastrophe, sorry Lisa October 11, 2019 (8:21 pm)

    Thank you West Seattle Blog for your reporting. I actually agree with Herbold that housing is a fundamental issue for the homeless. With permanent housing we then have the opportunity for the wrap-around social service support that would address the issues that Tavel brings up. I cannot however, in good conscience,  vote for Lisa Herbold given the idiotic head-tax-lack-of-plan and Amazon/business hating ideology. Perhaps her ideology is great for a beer or potential distillery conversation: not the standard for running a city. If that is the essence of her leadership, then we need much more new leadership. Her failure to admit the head tax mistake and her anti-Amazon trip to New York makes it worse: she’s doubling down on her lack of thoughtful leadership that alienates businesses large and small. I won’t take that bet. Hoping others don’t as well.

    • Robin October 12, 2019 (12:04 pm)

      Agree, excellent reporting. Thank you WSB for taking the time to check public records. Herbold lost my vote after her NYC trip to talk down a local company.

    • LivesInWS October 13, 2019 (10:11 pm)

      If you’d read the whole article, you’d see that Herbold said she would not introduce a head tax again. 

  • Betsy October 11, 2019 (9:32 pm)

    So let’s get this straight: The PACs can send out mailers that full-on lie about Herbold’s stances and legislative history, but if she expresses concern about Tavel’s business practices she’s called “desperate”? Seeing a smart, hard-working woman raked over the coals feels very 2016–time to get volunteering again.

    • Anne October 11, 2019 (10:26 pm)

      Oh please- has nothing to do with being a smart hard working woman. If she can rake Tavel over the coals -she should be able to take the same.

    • Diane October 12, 2019 (4:13 pm)

      agree Betsy; rich-people-for-seattle spent thousands of $$$ to send out mailers full of lies about Lisa Herbold during primary; but when Lisa addresses actual fact-based evidence re Tavel’s biz practices AND not paying $1,070 in traffic fines to the city, the only defense is calling Lisa “desperate”?

      • NA October 12, 2019 (5:15 pm)

        Didn’t she do something similar to Brendan Kolding in the primaries?  It seemed like Herbold or those who support her dug up dirt on Kolding.  It looks like that’s what’s happening here to Tavel.  Our politicians and media have figured out that they can say whatever they want, true or not and once it’s out there, well it’s out there.  And it seems to me that if you point one finger at someone there are usually three pointing back at you.  None of them are truly clean.  And that includes dear Lisa.

        • WSB October 12, 2019 (6:37 pm)

          The only allegations against Brendan Kolding made in the primaries that I recall was the Seattle Times (which has endorsed Phil Tavel) reporting that Kolding was under investigation at SPD before he quit. We covered all the campaign forums and I also saved all the campaign mailers we received, for reference. Four anti-Herbold/pro-Tavel mailers paid for by the “independent expenditure” committees, 3 pro-Herbold mailers paid for by her campaign that did not mention either of her opponents, one pro-Kolding mailer paid for by his campaign that did not mention either opponent, one mailer from an IE committee that showed all three candidates and rated them, with Herbold getting a higher rating than the other two. – TR

          • N.A. October 12, 2019 (8:24 pm)

            Thank you for clarifying that for me.

  • Alkimark October 11, 2019 (10:11 pm)

    Overdose prevention sites?  Give me a break.  This was an abject failure in Denmark.  Same fate awaits us here.

  • Al Bentley October 11, 2019 (10:11 pm)

    Were there any questions asked, at this event, about the Council’s action in adding the Showbox to the Pioneer Square Historic District?  I heard today that the city has chosen not to appeal a judge’s decision that the Council’s action on this was obviously illegal “spot zoning.”  I understand that the city has agreed to pay some $900K in legal fees incurred by the owner of the Showbox site.  Did Herbold vote in favor of the landmarking of the Showbox?  Was this a wise action given the fact that (perhaps in hindsight) it was legally unsupportable?  Should our Council members go impulsively to where the wind of public and media attention seems to be blowing?  How ’bout a bit of fiscal responsibility? 

  • Phil October 11, 2019 (10:47 pm)

    I’d like to thank Lisa Herbold for my latest rent increase.

    • Peter October 12, 2019 (9:41 am)

      Thank the voters who vote for every property tax increase in the ballot. Thank “ neighborhood activists who have been working for decades to suppress housing construction. 

      • Diane October 12, 2019 (3:11 pm)

        exactly, my rent has increased 35% in 4 years due to voter approved tax levies and increased property taxes; voters too often don’t consider consequences of their votes for levies, but they get mad later when it hits their pocketbook; and landlords pass on their property tax increases to renters

        • Pete October 12, 2019 (3:22 pm)

          But remember who placed all of these levies on the ballot. 

    • LivesInWS October 13, 2019 (10:06 pm)

      Thank your landlord. 

  • Suzanne October 11, 2019 (11:54 pm)

    It’s telling that MANY small businesses in the Junction have signs in their windows supporting Phil Tavel. Signs for Lisa Herbold? Exactly zero. Not even one.Sorry Lisa. I voted for you in 2015 but will not vote for you again.  Was extremely disappointed in the head tax/Amazon vote (naive and short sighted), and you have been fully ineffective in addressing the increasing safety, crime, and drug issues that are escalating here.  It’s definitely time for a change. I’m voting for Phil Tavel. I look forward to him representing West Seattle on the City Council. 

    • Jon Wright October 12, 2019 (7:36 pm)

      Why are we supposed defer to what “small business” wants politically? I love our small businesses and shop at them whenever I can. Just got back from buying stuff at Curious Kidstuff and Northwest Art & Frame an hour ago. But why on earth would I get my voting recommendation from them? Let’s see business owners. Probably against any tax or levy, higher minimum wage, secure scheduling, and bike lanes (if it means less parking in front of their store) for starters. That is not how I feel and would treat an endorsement from “small business” the same as I would an endorsement from the Seattle Times, i.e., how not to vote.

    • GreenLakesLover October 13, 2019 (2:15 am)

      I want a sign that says “Tavel, big on signs, short on substance” . 

    • AMD October 13, 2019 (4:40 am)

      In South Park you see Herbold signs in everyone’s windows.  You wouldn’t even know there WAS a second candidate if you head over there.  I don’t think window signs are the best way to judge the quality of a candidate, though.  And while I care about small businesses, they don’t have the same needs I do as a resident so their endorsement doesn’t tend to mean much to me.

  • ttt October 12, 2019 (8:19 am)

    I agree with Suzanne. Tavel signs in small business windows is an indicator we should pat attention to. I am voting for the candidate that recognizes that many of the homeless are addicts and that injection sites will only make the problem worse. I hope Tavel wins.

    • Jon Wright October 14, 2019 (11:34 am)

      I vote for who the pizzeria tells me to vote for!

  • S - in West Seattle October 12, 2019 (8:31 am)

    I know that this is a hot button issue, but why do you think that the City of Seattle is where it is with all the problems we are having. It is the type of people the City of Seattle keeps voting into office. Look at San Francisco they are in the same boat. Liberal City’s and City Counsels tend to have problems just like what we are currently having. I would hope that people start seeing that and help vote people in that want to help fix the problem. There needs to be a better mix of political background on the Counsel level. You don’t see City’s fall apart like Seattle in none Liberal areas. In the end what really needs to happen at the City level and National level is finding people that are for the People and areas they live. It needs to stop being Political and start being about what best for the People. 

  • Alki Homeowner October 12, 2019 (8:38 am)

    Good for Herbold for pointing out Tavel’s corruption with evidence.  Just because you don’t see many signs for Herbold in the Junction and in big houses all around WS does not mean anything. Tavel has lost every time he has run for any position because he is obviously a BSer and voters can easily see that. Lisa will win again and you all can pout for a few years about it. What was wrong with the head tax? Should big businesses really give nothing to our city? Many rich folks get real greedy quick; fortunately I have much wealth but also no greed because I still have a heart.Wake up before it is too late, Tavel not different than other Trump supporters like him. Ask him who he voted for in 2016. I did.

    • Diane October 12, 2019 (3:18 pm)

      THIS ^^^^^^^ 100%

    • No to Herbold. No to Trump. October 12, 2019 (3:23 pm)

      I certainly do not support Trump and I do not support Herbold. I believe Tavel is much better suited for the Council #1 position. To equate disliking Herbold to liking Trump is indicative of really bad logic. It’s a good year “to vote the bums out,” and to put fresh leadership in to place.

      • AMD October 13, 2019 (4:44 am)

        Only three incumbents are running.  You’re getting “fresh leadership” no matter how the District 1 election goes.  Everyone that thinks that new=better needs to remember that all of the WSB commenters here (myself included) would be new to the council–and most of us would be a hot mess (seriously.  Pick a random comment and imagine that coming out of a city council meeting).  Vote for the better candidate. 

    • Momma bear October 12, 2019 (3:43 pm)

      Phil is a friend and I promise you he didn’t vote for Donald Trump and he certainly never said that to you!  How do I know? Because I hung out with him on election night and he was just as shocked and concerned as I was.  He also volunteered his legal services to advise and defend employees of West Seattle restaurants when they heard of ICE seeps in Georgetown.  He was ready to defend people of color free of charge. You can dislike Phil but blatant lies are unnecessary!

      • whythebias October 12, 2019 (5:35 pm)

        Why is the post against Tavel, with a blatant lie, still allowed on WSB?  Isn’t that an actual violation of the terms of use on WSB?

  • westsideDAD October 12, 2019 (9:16 am)

    Bye Lisa. Thanks for messing up this city. or at least doing nothing about cleaning up RVs and Drug addicts.  More Jailtime is clearly needed!  these people have no fear of being arrested.  

  • Lagartija Nick October 12, 2019 (1:02 pm)

    I find it telling (and a bit pathetic) that the Tavel supporters here are ignoring the shady business practices of their “pro business candidate” and are attacking Herbold instead.

    • KM October 12, 2019 (2:57 pm)

      Or the ~$1000 in unpaid traffic tickets. Between his obsession with cutting SDOT funding for non-car “level-of-service” focused projects (bike lanes, green medians) and his unwillingness to pay for his errors, he doesn’t sound like someone who should be driving OR involved in the city’s budgeting. The guy can’t pay his tickets from 2015 or get auto insurance? He’s all for holding people accountable, yet I wouldn’t trust him with my grocery budget. Yikes.

      • Diane October 12, 2019 (4:36 pm)

        agree KM; this is even more concerning than Tavel’s questionable biz practices; Tavel wants to cut SDOT spending, but why in the hell does he have $1,070 due to the city in traffic infractions in collections? I’d sure like to see this “update” at top of wsblog story, “(Editor’s note: The next question was for Tavel, about fines he hadn’t paid, which he acknowledged. 7:12 pm update: As originally noted, our notes fell short here so we waited to check the video, which we now have done. The question was why he hadn’t paid $1,070 in traffic fines. He said he needed to work with the court to get those out of collection.)”

    • Pete October 12, 2019 (3:25 pm)

      There is nothing shady about having an LLC dissolved. Just ask Lisa who has also had an LLC dissolved. What kind of shade was cast in that situation. 

      • Diane October 12, 2019 (4:23 pm)

        Tavel: 12 LLC’s dissolved, plus warrant for unpaid $3,100 state taxes, plus $1,070 in collections for unpaid city traffic fines; Herbold: 1 LLC dissolved, and explained already; how is that in any way comparable?

    • Diane October 12, 2019 (3:27 pm)

      exactly; rich-people-for-seattle spent thousands of $$$ to send out mailers full of lies about Lisa Herbold during primary; but when Lisa addresses actual fact-based evidence re Tavel’s biz practices, this is somehow a bad thing?  and this is who the small-biz-coalition of WS wants to represent them? 

  • MJ October 12, 2019 (5:06 pm)

    Lisa has not helped small businesses at all.  Small landlords have been hurt, small busineeses are being taxed and regulated to the nth degree.  And her answer to the Homeless issue is more money for homeless industrial complex.  

  • AlkiGrl October 12, 2019 (10:22 pm)

    Lisa has my vote. Phil Tavel hasn’t demonstrated the experience or qualifications for this position. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad person and I dismiss all the hateful speech above against Lisa as misdirected and mean-spirited. Let’s behave like grownups here, or do our youth need to engage on this venue also like they did for the climate strike to show us what Adult-ing looks like? 

  • PS October 12, 2019 (11:31 pm)

    I didn’t get the sense that Ms. Herbold was calling it shady,
    I just assumed she was pointing out sloppiness in business or negligence.
    Though, needing the court to get him to pay a debt seems a bit shady. Shady
    or negligent, neither speaks well that he is ready to take on the
    responsibility of representing our district and city on the City Council. Since
    early in the campaign, I’ve wondered about the variety of jobs he’s held, with
    nothing that seems to speak to skills and experience needed for this job and responsibility. Yes,
    he has done stuff and can do stuff, but this job needs a pretty unique skill
    base. 
    It isn’t the job someone can jump in and figure it out. Plus,
    Ms. Herbold didn’t attack, she presented the facts and asked how we can trust
    his judgement. It is a fair question, and along the lines of what I have
    wondered in general with his lack of a clear trajectory in life. And he never
    answered her question. As the WSB reported, he instead first denied
    starting those business and then acknowledged them. I get that he was
    blindsided, but getting clarity and staying with the truth would have been a
    good angle to go on this. 

  • My two cents ... October 13, 2019 (6:11 am)

    Herbold is so tiring and predictable. Trying to spin all the “good” she is “fighting” for … reading and listening to her prattle on is so frustrating – represent and act on behalf of your constituents and the community. Are things better since she was elected? No. Does she have the vision to be part of the solution? No.

  • Junctionite October 13, 2019 (8:49 am)

    Why does Tavel have so many traffic tickets in the first place? I’ve only had one in 40 years of driving.  This is not an indicator of a responsible, law abiding individual. Not totally thrilled with Herbold, but hard pass on Tavel.

    • Diane October 13, 2019 (12:39 pm)

      good question; a brilliant friend of mine said it so well:
      “To be fair, Phil Tavel being a reckless, negligent driver is not per se disqualification for city council. But fiscal irresponsibility sure is:
      –> driving w/out insurance
      –> defaulting on traffic violations of more than $1,000
      –> letting it sit in collections for 4 YEARS”

      • GreenLakesLover October 13, 2019 (6:02 pm)

        I’m not going to post or quote the document because I have no way of of verifying it’s authenticity, but currently there are discussions on Twitter that Tavel’s “unpaid” fines are just  the tip of the iceberg on his traffic violations.  I agree with Diane that Tavel’s demonstrated  lack of fiscal responsibility should be a disqualification for City Council.  If Tavel’s traffic violation record is as bad as the buzz on Twitter says it, the media needs to research this and report back to the public so voters can make an informed decision.

        • WSB October 13, 2019 (6:28 pm)

          We have already looked at both candidates in the Municipal Court system, which is an easy public system to look into. Both have more than a few citations. The point that Ross Reynolds brought up on Thursday night was the unpaid fines, not the traffic/parking tickets themselves.

          P.S. Here’s the URL to look up Muni Court cases.
          https://web6.seattle.gov/courts/ECFPortal/Default.aspx
          (For comparison’s sake, I did a spot check on the mayor, who has some cases 1995-2007. The one I opened was driving w/o insurance.)

      • IvansBFF October 14, 2019 (5:55 pm)

        @Diane ~ Are you going to hold Herbold to the same standard now that
        we’ve discovered her over 30 traffic infractions including putting
        children at risk by speeding through school zone? Hmmm. Suspiciously quiet.

  • IvansBFF October 14, 2019 (5:52 pm)

    WOW! Funny to see how Herbold supports are back peddling and dialing down their initial hysterics about Tavel’s ticket or two, now that it’s come out that Lisa Herbold EXTENSIVE record of driving Infractions. A look at her record shows that she had little if any regard for laws or the safety of others. Privileged and Entitled, and why not? She has a 30 year record of either working for a City Council member or being a Council member herself. Laws don’t apply to her. *Lisa Herbold, once charged with speeding through a school crosswalk in May
    of 2007. The court lists a finding of “committed” on the case, and
    Herbold paid a $229 fine. It’s not her only speeding ticket, according
    to court documents. In 2008, Herbold was ticketed for going 45 miles per
    hour in a 30 mile per hour zone, paying $206 in fines. In 2002, she
    paid $86 in fines for speeding 50 miles per hour  in a 40 mile per hour
    zone. She has a long history of infractions, including driving on a suspended
    or revoked license (from 1994), parking in a spot marked disabled (from
    1997), several seat-belt related tickets (two from 1993, one in 1994 and
    1997), improperly stopping at a stop sign (from 2015), and driving
    without a license (two from 1993, one in 1994 and 1995).

  • Barton October 15, 2019 (7:49 am)

    Holy Moly!  Lisa Herbold shouldn’t be allowed to drive!  

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