47 Replies to "WEST SEATTLE CRIME WATCH: Alki emphasis patrol snares stolen car, juvenile suspect"

• DRW June 3, 2019 (10:54 am)

  Thank you SPD. Keep it up.

• 4thGenWestSide June 3, 2019 (10:59 am)

  Nice work, SPD!  Keep it up!

• just wondering June 3, 2019 (11:03 am)

  Really?  How hard is it to not drive a stolen car?

• Chuck June 3, 2019 (11:09 am)

  Excellent!! Thank you SPD. More please!!

• Apey June 3, 2019 (11:16 am)

  Great job! Now I’m sure all your hard work will be unraveled by our court system. (Sorry, it’s Monday, I’m grumpy!)

• Rick June 3, 2019 (11:22 am)

  Momma must be sooo proud!

• MJ June 3, 2019 (12:01 pm)

  Apey – I suspect you are correct unfortunately.  A person caught red handed in a stolen vehicle needs to be punished and made to pay restitution.

  • Jethro Marx June 3, 2019 (12:40 pm)

    I gotta ask, MJ, why is restitution such a common theme for you? Even when the story involves a mentally ill homeless person, someone who died committing an alleged crime, or the postal service skipping deliveries in the sleet, it always seems to come down to money for you. I don’t think a kid weaving around in a stolen car should get away with it, but how do we find a punishment that achieves the real goal, which is to get the kid to see the error of his ways and stop doing illegal stuff that puts lives at risk? I think making him go mow the lawn or pick up dog poop for the people whose car he stole would be more effective than saddling him with some impersonal debt that he has no real prospect of paying off. But that’s not really how our justice system works, is it? Is it time to think of some better ideas?

    • Ws prayers June 3, 2019 (3:00 pm)

      Well said Jetho….when it comes to youth they really need some consequences that they are gonna feel. Restitution will fall on the parent not the youth. The way our system is I’m sure he will won’t send a whole lot of time in detention. He will have multiple court dates get pushed thro a broken system more than likely will never be free from it ultimately perpetuating criminal behavior. I beleive we as parents, community, ans law enforcement need to come together to enforce accountability and consequences in a way (like picking up dog poop or mowing lawns or whatever) that they feel a responsibility for their actions 

    • Joe June 3, 2019 (3:13 pm)

      You still believe in restorative / rehabilitative justice, despite all the evidence to the contrary. And I bet you maintain this faith despite a contempt for religious faith, no less supported by evidence.

      • heartless June 3, 2019 (3:46 pm)

        Nice one!  You burned him for both a lack of scientific evidence AND for maybe being an atheist!  That’s some strange bedfellows but, really,  nice trolling!  Good on you!

      • Jethro Marx June 3, 2019 (4:37 pm)

        Nay, I reject your premise, on all accounts. There’s plenty of evidence that alternative sentencing can work; I read recently about “choose 180” having at least short-term success right here in Seattle. Plus, I’ve heard the opinions of those who work in the criminal justice system firsthand. As to justice, of any kind, I believe in it as a concept; we ought to strive for it, but no, I don’t believe we’ll ever see it carried out by humans. As far as your convoluted contention on religious faith, I don’t quite know what the hell you’re talking about. I have plenty of contempt for our country’s famous “faith” leaders like the Grahams and Pat Robertson and Casey Treat and that Mars Hill dude and their ilk. They are but the scions of a long line of vipers, and if they could find any prophets to kill I’m sure they’d cast the first stone, or at least hold the President’s cloak while he fired off some mean tweets. But if you meant you assume I have contempt for people who are faithful to God, as well as their humanity allows, you’re just wrong.

        • Joe June 3, 2019 (10:32 pm)

          I guessed based on your choice of the name “Marx.” Looks like we were both wrong about something.

        • Joe June 3, 2019 (10:34 pm)

          The fifteen year old that was stabbed in the woods here was a victim of someone in one of the restorative justice programs, but that’s not included in your anecdotal evidence, because that anecdote is not told.

    • Alki tesident June 3, 2019 (3:47 pm)

      Jethro this isn’t the 70’s. It’s time kids pay the ultimate price for they’re criminal behavior. Do you think this is that kids first stole car? He only got caught this time. Picking up dog crap is a slap on the hand. Times have changed and so have the punks who want to take instead of earn. 

      • heartless June 3, 2019 (4:35 pm)

        You might want to look up what paying “the ultimate price” actually means.  

      • AMD June 3, 2019 (4:41 pm)

        “It’s time kids pay the ultimate price for they’re [sic] criminal behavior”  Are you kidding me?  No one is arguing against consequences, but putting kids to death seems extreme.  I don’t understand why you think kids today are different than they were 50 years ago and I’d wager you don’t either (save that they’re “other” and not you).  Regardless, the punishment should fit the crime.  In the grand scheme of things, stealing cars is bad, but not end-your-life bad.

        • Alki Resident June 3, 2019 (5:03 pm)

          AMD- Get over your grammar issues. My phone corrected it twice yet posted wrong. Ultimate price wasn’t meant to be death penalty. I’m saying they need to be charged for their crimes and not picking up dog poop. And yes, kids are different today because they have become desensitized by video games, tv and content that wasn’t readily available 50 yrs. ago. 

        • heartless June 3, 2019 (7:43 pm)

          Do you have any evidence to show that “kids are different today because they have become desensitized by video games, tv and content that wasn’t readily available 50 yrs. ago”?  As far as I know, this is simply not true–it’s just an often repeated myth about ‘those darn kids today.’  But then, what do I know–please educate me!

      • Ws prayers June 3, 2019 (5:14 pm)

        What do u suppose should happend? What would the ultimate price be? I’m curious as everyone is attacking Jethro’s suggestion…I’m a parent of a troubled teen ans honestly want to know what ideas do people have to help our youth experience accountability and consequences for their behavior. From my experience it is not happening thro our court system it seems to perpetuate behavior with “catch and release”   They end up believing they are getting away with it plus they meet other criminals in detention plus it is  lots of time energy and money for parents (time off work to go to court get lawyers pay restitution ect) just to have their kid end up on probation which is more time energy ect. Ect. Parents end up being more punished than the kids really. 

        • Winston Smith June 3, 2019 (8:09 pm)

          I believe 4 years of mandatory service in the armed forces or the peace core for this young man would provide significently  better results then repeated incarceration.

        • AlkiMark June 3, 2019 (8:46 pm)

          So what happens when the kid kills an innocent bicyclist or pedestrian..then what?  Slap on the wrist?

    • john June 4, 2019 (6:16 am)

      Thank you Jethro.  A touch of Christian compassion is always welcome.

• Cbj June 3, 2019 (12:33 pm)

  Throw the book at this “kid” tired of the stealing, violence  in our community thank you SPD and now the justice system must hold this punk,accountable. PERIOD, no sad sob stories

  • melissa June 3, 2019 (5:37 pm)

    Do you not consider 17 to be a kid? Is that why you used scare quotes? What good do you expect from incarcerating a 17 year old. If you don’t consider him a kid, then you think he should be tried as an adult. How would incarcerating him with adults (if he’s a previous offender and got jail time), make him a better citizen? I mean, he won’t stay in jail, right? So do you think he’ll come to his senses while in jail and come out a better man? That’s rarely how it works. Rehabilitation makes more sense from a standpoint of public utility, cost, and the smaller likelihood that he’ll reoffend.

• zipda June 3, 2019 (1:06 pm)

  Keep it up kid. Soon to make it to the top of the list at the Darwin Awards.

• John June 3, 2019 (3:54 pm)

  What kind of car was it? Make sure mine is locked. Thanks SPD!

• WS June 3, 2019 (4:13 pm)

  “Ultimate Price” … uh, no. No death penalty for being a dumb, amoral kid.

• JRR June 3, 2019 (5:59 pm)

  A kid with less ability to reason or determine consequences stole a car, just as kids have stolen cars for decades. Yet people are calling for “the ultimate price?” There’s a reason we call them kids. Kids do stupid stuff. They’re also malleable and able to learn from mistakes. I suggest the racist othering crew who shows up here do the same. Or, better yet, if you’re so concerned with “kids these days,” volunteer to mentor youth.

  • melissa June 3, 2019 (6:31 pm)

    Thank you, JRR.

  • B.W. June 4, 2019 (9:45 am)

    Funny how you people over look the fact that he ALREADY HAD A WARRANT FOR ROBBERY.  

    • Alki Res June 5, 2019 (3:25 pm)

      Don’t confuse them with the entire story. 

• Elle Nell June 3, 2019 (6:16 pm)

  The more I read comments anymore on the blog, the more I realize that this is no longer the city we built with acceptance and consciousness. It is just so very sad… 

  • Jethro Marx June 3, 2019 (8:54 pm)

    Cheer up, Elle; this city wasn’t built on acceptance and consciousness, or even rock and roll.  It was built by displacing the tribes who called it home.  After we more or less ran them off, and shortly after the civil war, white Seattlites banded together and drove most of the Chinese immigrants down to the docks and forced them onto a ship.  So, it’s still sad, but hey, we’re the same jerks and a#$)@(es we’ve always been.  And hey, Joe, that’s from the Bible!  #sinners

    • Elle Nell June 4, 2019 (4:12 pm)

      Hey Marx – in my 40 yrs here it has … we are form different generations, I’m sure and don’t need your history lesson .. I’ve known and seen and grown enough of it myself. From close ties with Chows to personally knowing Cecilia … I stick with what I said and do NOT try to minimize it! 

    • Elle Nell June 4, 2019 (4:18 pm)

      And almost forgot the Hirabayashi   family… all of which were accepting and of high consciousness… 😳 to make this a better city

• flimflam June 3, 2019 (6:23 pm)

  “emphasis patrols” sound great but i sort of chafe at the idea of actively policing as deserving of a pat on the back – this is basic city law enforcement, at minimum.

• Mike June 3, 2019 (7:08 pm)

  Sounds like a great recruit opportunity for the Marines.  Kid needs a reality check on life.

• DRW June 3, 2019 (7:37 pm)

  

• 1994 June 3, 2019 (9:12 pm)

  Restitution does not necessarily mean money. Maybe the judge can order the kid to apologize in person to the car owner and order the kid to listen to how they inconvenienced the car owner, order the kid to pay for a tank of gas, order the kid do community service by detailing 30 cars…. many options options exist beside ordering a kid to pay money.

• TJ June 3, 2019 (9:32 pm)

  I never heard race brought up anywhere until you did JRR, which just helps dilute that topic. All these comments about how justice should help the offender are confusing. Vengence and the concept of receprocity are human nature, and punutive justice is what helped tame the wild west. Kids or adults that damage cars in the process of stealing them need to pay for it financially. I know for sure that in most cases it is not, and the car owners insurance pays it. And a stolen car from Kent, I would love to see where the offender lives, but it’s not West Seattle. 

• Steve June 3, 2019 (10:34 pm)

  Everyone please don’t mess with Jethro. He used the nay defense. You are not powerful enough.  Anyways I don’t think the change them with love option works period. Those believers are always compassionate when it’s not their stuff getting stolen or worse.

  • Jethro Marx June 4, 2019 (12:37 am)

    Thank you for your wise and weird words, Steve. Indeed, people can be a bit funny about their possessions; I remember once, when my old Dodge Tradesman B200 was prowled, the miscreants stole a pair of prescription eyeglasses. They were old, ugly, and not worth anything in a resale sense, but they were the only pair I had. At first, I was mad; but as poor as I was at the time, all I had to do was wear contacts until I could get a new pair. The person who stole them, however, was living such a strange and myopic life that even the fruits of his poisoned labor brought his eyes relief. In what ways is your life like that? Would you know?

    • john June 4, 2019 (6:23 am)

      Again, thank you Jethro.

• Linda June 4, 2019 (9:15 am)

  Thank you Seattle Police, however can we get more police presence on Admiral Way SW headed down towards Alki Beach? We have excessive speeding and the noise ordinance on Alki and Admiral needs to be enforced. We would appreciate any assistance,  Thank you!

• John June 4, 2019 (8:41 pm)

  Lets see if it happens again. Maybe his family can help him

• Ronald Thompson June 21, 2019 (7:23 pm)

  Honestly meeting the victims of these crimes face to face is impacting and also jail sucks but really you only meet even worse people than yourself and they teach you how to be even a better Criminal it’s horrible it’s not very rehabilitating what helped me out the most really was doing community service they should have more programs we’re prisoners go out in a supervised work situation see what life is like then have to go back into the jail and sleep it’s horrible it’s like putting a steak in front of a dog that’s locked in his kennel that’s what really broke me

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