VIDEO: Alki shooting, fight recorded by witness who hopes ‘this will show … why we need more police’

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

When we first reported on Sunday about the early-morning shooting on Alki that left one person hurt, we had little information. We have since been contacted by a witness who recorded almost a minute of the chaos and gunfire and wanted to make it public, saying, “I believe that this will show many why we need more police and why our youth/young adults should be monitored closely at these hours of the night.”

ALERT: This is unedited phone video (except to fix it from vertical to horizontal fit) and you will hear lots of profanities in the audio **if you choose to play the clip.** The gunshots are audible and muzzle flashes are seen, but the person who was shot is not:

In a long text conversation with the witness who recorded that while at a restaurant/bar across the street, we agreed to keep them anonymous (we don’t even know their name). They had already shown the video to police, who, they say, showed up quickly, within “three or four minutes” of the gunfire.

From the witness’s view, it started as “a very large group of young adults yelling and using derogatory terms as well as throwing things at this vehicle, which led to a fistfight in the middle of the street.” Then, the witness says, one person kicked off the black car’s driver’s-side mirror, and another punched out a passenger side window, followed by shots from a passenger, and then toward the end, someone “returned fire” after the black car sped off westbound.

As noted in our Sunday report, there was no “assault with weapons” large Seattle Fire medic response, because police found no victim at the scene. Seattle Police say they were later contacted by Everett Police after a 17-year-old boy with a gunshot wound to the leg turned up at a hospital there. Police have since talked to the victim; on Sunday, they told us he was “uncooperative” with investigators. The incident also is now detailed on SPD Blotter.

As far as we can tell from WSB archives, this is the first incident in 2 1/2 years in which someone has been shot in the Alki area. Not the first case of gunfire, but the first case with a victim, since this case in August 2012.

Even before this, local police had promised more presence at the beach this year via both the new Southwest Precinct bicycle patrols and a new mobile-precinct vehicle that is on the way after the precinct went years without a replacement for the one SPD lost in an arson attack. That is what the lifelong West Seattleite who shared video of Sunday’s shooting is hoping for: “I hate that these hoodlums are ruining my neighborhood.”

ADDED 2:11 PM: A few additional details are in the Southwest Precinct summary of what happened, which we obtained from precinct Operations Lt. Ron Smith:

On 3/22/15 at 0109 hour, Officers were dispatched to a fight disturbance/shots fired incident in the 2600 block of Alki Av SW (just west of Marine Av SW & Alki Av SW). Initial report to 911 has it that: two people were down and that someone has a leg wound.

Upon officers arriving in the area, the suspects involved in the fight/shots-fired were GOA [gone on arrival], possibly in vehicle/s. There was no “scene” other than the spot where the incident occurred. Officers checked the area and did not locate any evidence such as shell casings or blood to indicate that someone has been shot. A baseball cap was located and submitted into evidence. During a canvas of the bar across the street, an officer located a witness who had recorded the shots fired incident on his cell phone. The video was sent to the police and submitted into evidence.

Based upon the on-scene investigation, it appears that at least 6 people were surrounding a vehicle. One of the 6 people kicked the vehicle’s left rear view mirror and damaged it. The front passenger from the vehicle fired at least 3 shots at the 6 people as the 6 people were surrounding it. The 6 people then scattered, running away. A white male is then seen getting into the driver’s seat of the vehicle and drove it away, on Alki Av SW.

At 0345 hour, Everett PD called SPD 911 and reported that they have a “victim” with a non-life threatening gunshot wound in the leg. The “victim” was uncooperative and was with his girlfriend. The Everett PD Officers will complete a report under their case number, DD 15-5308. This incident was screened by phone with our Homicide/Assault unit.

Lt. Smith, who is acting precinct commander, confirms that patrols, including officers on bicycles, will be increased. The mobile-precinct vehicle has not yet been delivered.

78 Replies to "VIDEO: Alki shooting, fight recorded by witness who hopes 'this will show ... why we need more police'"

  • martin March 23, 2015 (12:23 pm)

    man that’s just horrible. Its crazy to think I was just ridding my bike there…

    This is over what???

  • ScubaFrog March 23, 2015 (12:31 pm)

    This kind of crap happens all the time on Alki. There’s virtually no police presence here. And scant media coverage. I think most people living down here have stopped reporting incidences – because there are so many incidents.

  • GM March 23, 2015 (12:33 pm)

    Hey thugs stay in your own neighborhood!

  • WSMom March 23, 2015 (12:38 pm)

    If there were more police force down there the thugs might stay in their own neighborhood, but who is to say they aren’t already in their own neighborhood?

  • Whitney March 23, 2015 (12:40 pm)

    I live on Alki, I thought I wanted to start my family here one day, but it makes me sick to know that just down the block this is what is becoming of the beach. I welcome cop presence if that means I don’t have to awaken to gunshots. This is a neighborhood full of families, not just a place to visit, destroy, and leave.

  • Bs momma March 23, 2015 (12:42 pm)

    It just pisses me off that this happened. And then whoever this is filmed it while some girl instigated and yelled profanities. It’s not cool and you are not a badass. It’s barely even spring and it’s already started. This is one of the many reasons I Love the rain.

  • smokeycretin9 March 23, 2015 (12:43 pm)

    ” Alki Beach after dark. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious”

  • Ttt March 23, 2015 (12:43 pm)

    so the first thing that came to my mind was how come people that could be heard in the video were egging the fight on? Were the people talking the ones recording it? How come no one was yelling “go home take yourself to your own neighborhood! Stop fighting!”
    This is why we don’t go to alki unless it is a rainy day during the week.

  • WsBoB March 23, 2015 (12:45 pm)

    This is unacceptable. For any part of the city. It hits more sharply because it is our loved Alki that I grew up at. What the heck is going on with society? Where is this hate coming from? We have decided to move west in 2 years. I have lived in WS for 48 but am becoming tired of peoples behavior. It is ashame that you cannot go out after dark anymore,,,

  • Amrakx March 23, 2015 (12:47 pm)

    Having lived in the Alki beach area for the past 15 years, it is apparent that violence is escalating, especially during the summer weekend evenings. Many of us pay high property taxes to live here and it would be great to be able to enjoy a greater sense of security in our neighborhood when walking our dogs or visiting with neighbors.
    Police presence is noticeably absent. Years ago there was a mobile substation parked along the beach for the duration of the summer months. It appeared to function as a visible and active deterrent. Lately, the police park empty cruiser cars here and there throughout the area. These are about as effective as the no cruising signs. It’s sad that the Mayor and many of our elected officials who are from the area appear to have lost sight of their roots and appear to look the other way, when it comes to escalating violence and unruly behavior in an area where families gather to picnic and children play in the sand…

  • CountingCoup March 23, 2015 (12:48 pm)

    Will this bring back the discussion to have cameras installed along the Alki pathway and would this detour the idiots that are involved with these incidents?

  • fulqrum March 23, 2015 (12:51 pm)

    Ugh, my old ‘hood is really devolving into the ‘hood!

  • CandrewB March 23, 2015 (1:02 pm)

    In Seattle, this kind of thing is accepted as preferable to any kind of profiling based on false assumptions. With this, as well as initiative after initiative put forth for basic services, I have all but made the decision to take the family elsewhere when able. Usually I am pretty optimistic, but the future I see for this city is having the expense of San Francisco with the street feel of Oakland.

  • Roger March 23, 2015 (1:07 pm)

    “Locals only!”

  • Lisa March 23, 2015 (1:14 pm)

    This was just nauseating to watch. Its as if these kids have absolutely no sense of reality.

  • R.W Seattle March 23, 2015 (1:15 pm)

    I live right at 63rd/Alki and I was awakened to the sound of what I thought was fireworks. It was very loud. I jumped out of bed and looked out to see what looked like a person running and throwing fireworks. I saw flashes and heard loud noises. I have no experience ever seeing or hearing gun shots so I didn’t make the connection being half asleep. This is really scary to me, that not only this happens on Alki, my neighborhood, but directly across the street from residences. I wish I had called 911. I debated it but I thought it was fireworks and I know by the time I called, they would be gone. I didn’t think the police would have come out. Next time I’m calling 911.

  • T Rex March 23, 2015 (1:26 pm)

    WOW, it is not even the height of summer and this crap is already starting.

    I feel really bad for the people who live down here and people like me who refuse to go down here in the summer.

    These punks do not have ANY SENSE. They are nothing but uneducated, wanna be gang bangers who respect no one.

    It will probably get worse before it gets better. So sad for such a beautiful area.

  • Fakename March 23, 2015 (1:32 pm)

    I live across the street from this and heard the three shots, assumed it was fireworks which I hear all the time, but I heard that 4th “whizzing sound” which I still don’t know what it is. It sounded just like in the video but I was further away, laying in my bed in my apartment. A puzzling sound but eh, probably fireworks.

    About a minute after this I heard a LOT of commotion, lots of horns, screaming, engines revving, so I got up and looked out my window and saw people running, some people taking cover, and a large group surrounding someone. They shouldered a guy (I assumed he was wounded) and took him over to a car. At this point the people taking cover ran for it, as well as most people began dispersing. The wounded man was put into a car. That car and two others took off, just as sirens were starting to be heard. By the time cops arrived there were just a handful of witnesses waiting.

    The thing I found most odd about this – it was around 1 am. Almost every other day cops stop by at 11:30 to tell everyone the park is closed and to leave. They occasionally check and warn people for another few hours. But obviously this did not happen this night. On the other hand, there were so many out of control thugs that a single cop car probably wouldn’t have done shit to disperse that crowd.

    There’s just a bad crowd here sometimes, it’s a shame.

  • Jason March 23, 2015 (1:40 pm)

    Wow that was a very real video. Did not enjoy.

  • Seattlite March 23, 2015 (1:41 pm)

    CandrewB — I totally agree with you. Extreme political correctness has increasingly impacted safety. SPD is in the same vice hold as other police depts across the USA. West Seattle needs to take back its streets from these heinous thugs. Alki is supposed to be a family oriented area but it looks like it’s turned into a gangbanger oriented area. SPD bring back the mobile unit to Alki. This video should be shown to all West Seattle residents to show what’s going on in their community.

  • Brenda March 23, 2015 (2:01 pm)

    Like I always say…..


  • Bigwave March 23, 2015 (2:16 pm)

    The Alki police presence reduced when the SPD increased the Capitol Hill presence. Capitol Hill desperately needs the help, Alki is safer than the lobby of the West Precinct in comparison…even if you include this incident.

    Heck…the Friday before the change to Capitol Hill I worked from coffee shops on the beach and counted 8 different cops on foot patrol or out of their cars on Alki in under 6 hours. That’s more than I’d seen on the Hill in the previous 6 months.

    Overall, SPD policing is very predictable. Resources move slowly…it can take months to shift policing to a new area. In that time the criminals know how many officers will be in an area. They start congregating where patrol traffic is lowered.

    White Center is the worst example…criminals bounce from City to County and back depending on if SPD OR Sheriffs are upping enforcement. They just shift 2-3 blocks East or West.

  • Bigwave March 23, 2015 (2:17 pm)

    Keep in mind, this incident isn’t random, these idiots knew each other…this could happen anywhere and would have escalated like this even if the area was patrolled. They’d have just stopped fighting for 30 seconds until the patrol car went past. The good part is they’re not after the general population…they’re after each other.

    • WSB March 23, 2015 (2:20 pm)

      Thanks, Bigwave, and all who are commenting thoughtfully – I will state the obvious, though, the bullets could just as easily have gone across the street and hit members of “the general population.” By the way, I’ve just received another police account with a few other details and am adding it the story above. – TR

  • KT March 23, 2015 (2:23 pm)

    Happens before summer every year without fail. Now SPD will announce they are going to have a greater presence. The same they do every year – react to problems after the fact even though history tells them what is coming. Just drive thru the parking lot at the boat ramp on any Sunday morning and look at the tire tracks, empty beer bottles, etc… and you wonder how is it that this continues. If we really don’t have enough cops to deliver basic services then maybe the Mayor should back off his almost $1billion transportation dream and hire some cops! Or maybe Alki residents will just have to do what other neighborhoods have done, or are contemplating, and pass the hat and hire off duty cops to do the job your taxes are supposed to be paying for.

  • KT March 23, 2015 (2:26 pm)

    Though some think differently, we all know that the vast majority of the troubles are created by people who do not reside on this side of the West Seattle bridge. Here’s an idea … toll the West Seattle bridge. Residents get a free pass but everyone else pays!

  • East Coast Cynic March 23, 2015 (2:32 pm)

    So when the criminals around White Center move from city to county and back just 2-3 blocks East or West, Does local law enforcement refer to this phenomenon as the “Hoodlum Shake”?

    Since this appears to be a younger demographic causing the problems, I’m wondering if the public embarrassment of bringing the parents in to the court for an apology if their “children” are convicted will make a dent in the juvie crime wave.

  • Amrakx March 23, 2015 (2:41 pm)

    Why not activate the cameras we already have installed???
    If your behavior is legitimate why would you take offense?
    We have cameras in banks, airports, and other secure facilities, personally it gives me the perception of safety.
    If you’re afraid of big brother, I think that ship has already sailed.
    I value personal safety above being “watched” in public places.
    Has anyone been to London???
    Has anyone been to Waikiki Beach on Oahu???

  • cj March 23, 2015 (2:58 pm)

    Well … what ever those that fear public monitoring are worried about, these gun carrying individuals who cant seem to keep it in the holster are blowing that freedom you might be worried about right out the window.

    I may be wrong but I hardly ever see foot patrols anymore, maybe I’m not looking in the right spot?

  • AlkiAdjacent March 23, 2015 (3:37 pm)

    We live 2 blocks from the beach and heard the gunshots and the sounds of yelling. Within minutes, SPD cars came racing down Admiral to the scene, and were soon patrolling with spotlights, etc. We heard what sounded like gunshots about a week ago as well. I did not call 911 as I could not tell if it was shots or fireworks – though I am pretty sure it was gun shots. I hope that SPD increases their presence down at Alki, especially on weekends.

  • West Seattle Hipster March 23, 2015 (3:41 pm)

    This is why I avoid Alki after it gets dark.


    We need elected leadership who can effectively deal with public safety.

  • Guy March 23, 2015 (3:44 pm)

    I live “in the area”. The real tragedy in this incident is that I had two women over at my place for drinks, then this happened and it totally killed the vibe.

  • sc March 23, 2015 (3:49 pm)

    I have lived in West Seattle since getting married in 1987, my husband since 1966. We never go down to Alki unless the weather is bad!

  • Bradley March 23, 2015 (3:53 pm)

    That video is Exhibit A of the failure of Seattle’s ‘Hug-A-Thug’ policy(s).

  • WillBeHOnest March 23, 2015 (3:59 pm)

    Man, everyyyyone and their mom has a gun on them these days. Oh, wait….it was just firecrackers!!

  • Wes C. Addle March 23, 2015 (4:14 pm)

    I guess I’ll be the lone dissenter that never feels threatened or concerned at Alki. I’m down there year round and all times of the day and the only issues I ever see are unleashed dogs and cigarettes ;) But those two issues don’t bother me.
    I never really feel unsafe down there to be honest. Yes the summertime does draw the crowds that go cruising there and cars are bumping their speakers. It’s like that any pretty much any nice public beach area that I’ve been to.
    Gunshots are a MAJOR concern put let’s be real here, police cannot and will not be there anytime there is some type of crime. Crimes can’t be predicted.
    I feel a lot safer at Alki than I do downtown or at Golden Gardens.

  • WTF March 23, 2015 (4:16 pm)

    Nice to see the PsOS bailed out of jail in time for warm weather violence. If this isn’t a wake-up call AGAIN to SPD to get bike and beat cops down there, nothing will. Sad the City may have to revert back to keeping the party wagon down there to babysit thugs, gang members and sad little people with guns.

  • onion March 23, 2015 (4:30 pm)

    Idiots. I’m curious to know whether the guy who was shot in the leg is from Everett. If so it shows how far punks will travel to find action. As much as I love Alki in the daytime and early evenings (and especially off season!), I’d be packing my bags and hiring a moving van if that type of action happened outside my window.

    Thanks to Guy for the chuckle about his plans for a menage a trois that were sidetracked.

  • heather March 23, 2015 (4:36 pm)

    I, too, have enjoyed being at Alki both day and night. And yes, I’ve even sat with the giggly teenagers learning how to flirt at the beach fires. Which was totally fun. But I agree with Lisa and Jason, the behavior in this video is so dangerous not only for what is occurring directly with the car but also the mob mentality of bystanders. “Torch it!” “Take it down!” Are you kidding me? What if someone was struggling and needed help inside that car?

  • djl March 23, 2015 (4:54 pm)

    Those are the same cars that we see over by Constellation park after they clear out Alki late at night. We called. No one came. Great … I guess I need to start reporting guns now even if I don’t actually see them. One argument away from a stray bullet.

  • I. Ponder March 23, 2015 (5:03 pm)

    I ride my bike through Alki almost every day and I stop to enjoy the views. These thugs are people’s kids. Maybe your friends’ kids. Maybe your neighbors’ kids. This is America, where we glorify gun ownership as a patriotic right. I don’t think Alki is particularly dangerous unless you’re hanging with violent people. This isn’t random crime against strangers and even the victims don’t want to rat on their ‘friends’. Alki is world-class. Don’t vacate it and give it over to creeps. During warm summer nights I do believe police presence will make a difference.

  • Kate March 23, 2015 (5:04 pm)

    In 2012 I lived on Alki beach on the 2800 block. In one night, my neighbors apartment was broken into while he was home and my other neighbor had an ex stalking them to the point of needing the police. Just a few days before my brother was working in a bar by our apartment when a gun was pulled on him. Alki is beautiful as long as the sun doesn’t go down. It is not as safe as some would like you to think. I lived there for 8 years above a bar and next to one right on the beach and every year it got worse and worse. I miss Alki, but I’m glad that I can walk in my new neighborhood without constantly looking over my shoulder to see if someone is following me.

  • Paul March 23, 2015 (5:05 pm)

    The numbers simply don’t support increased patrols on Aki… . If we are really going by the numbers, we should be focusing on Westwood.

  • jwright March 23, 2015 (5:05 pm)

    Guy is clearly the victim here!

  • flimflam March 23, 2015 (5:19 pm)

    wow. who ever was “narrating” this didn’t help, that’s for sure. screaming, yelling,”its just firecrackers” followed by a swift “oh Sh#$”.

    thanks for the video, I guess.

  • Oakley34 March 23, 2015 (5:32 pm)

    Hard to tell from the video, but it looks like these are mostly (all?) teens. Use any word you want (thug etc.) but I’d bet that most of these kids aren’t hardened or career criminals…they’re stupid kids. That doesn’t diminish the danger of their behavior, but I’d bet that comments about their being out on bail, this being the result of SPD pussyfooting around profiling etc, are kind of off the mark. I see teens of multiple ethnicities in the video, and I remember the type of dumb stuff I did as a kid. Yes this is a crime issue, but I also see it equally as the type of thing more easily curbed by youth outreach, education etc. than with busting heads.

  • Guy March 23, 2015 (5:39 pm)

    Did you all know that was a rich WHITE kid who pulled his gun first? I watched it all happen from the surf shop stairs.

  • Kravitz March 23, 2015 (6:04 pm)

    You have to love the brilliant narrative behind the cell-phone video. It’s great that this was captured as evidence, but shameful that whoever those voices belonged to (phone owner, friends etc.) were encouraging more violence. It’s an embarrassment to the community. All of it.

  • KT March 23, 2015 (7:17 pm)

    “…I’d bet that most of these kids aren’t hardened or career criminals…they’re stupid kids.” “…I remember the type of dumb stuff I did as a kid.”
    Seriously? You carried a handgun and shot at people when you were a kid? If you really think “outreach, education,…” is the way to control Alki Beach then we’re in trouble if you run for Mayor.

  • Noelle March 23, 2015 (7:33 pm)

    Well said T Rex! Its a beautiful area. No place prettier than Alki in summer, but no one can enjoy it because of these idiots! The city says, no dogs allowed on the beach. I think No Fighting or Thugs should be allowed. Where were the cops? Why didn’t anyone use their phone to call 911?

  • drahcir61 March 23, 2015 (7:55 pm)

    When the judicial punishment does not deter the crime you end up with urban whack-a-mole.

  • Petunia March 23, 2015 (8:20 pm)

    ‘stupid kids’??????? That sort of ‘politically correct’ attitude enables this dangerous, criminal behavior..

  • Mike March 23, 2015 (8:26 pm)

    drahcir61 nailed it! There’s less of a punishment for this than going 40mph up Admiral Way.

    • WSB March 23, 2015 (9:02 pm)

      Mike – That is not true. The last person to shoot and injure someone on Alki, Michael Helmer, was sentenced last year to 177 months in prison – that’s almost 15 years. (I just looked it up – we lost track of the case between verdict and sentencing.) He continues serving his sentence at the state prison in Airway Heights. – TR

  • james March 23, 2015 (8:40 pm)

    They were singing “happy 19th birthday” to someone SUPER loudly an hour or so earlier that night. Two massive bonfires. I was really surprised the party didn’t get broken up earlier just because it was really loud. I guess most people that live on the beach are like me… loud noises are to be expected particularly on a weekend. Could do without the gun shots, though.

  • Wsrez March 23, 2015 (9:05 pm)

    Wow- west Seattle is looking good on the outside but our core is tough. Understandable why people living in Queen Anne or Phinney would never move to south Seattle. Sad.

  • WTF March 23, 2015 (9:19 pm)

    Paul, aside from statistics and numbers being spewed to hide behind reality is more than annoying, I wonder if your stance would change when (not IF) someone on Alki ends up in a box.

  • Jen March 23, 2015 (9:37 pm)

    If you see or hear suspicious activity, call the police. Don’t hesitate with “oh it must be fireworks” or “oh those kids being loud around the bonfire are just kids,” CALL THE POLICE. Better safe than sorry. Those bullets could have easily traveled and hit an innocent bystander/sleeper.

  • Pete March 23, 2015 (9:39 pm)

    If we are really intent on making our city a safe place to live it takes everyone of us to be involved in working towards that outcome. Several commenters have stated “I wish I had called 911”. Others stated that SPD should do more, the mayor should come up with a better plan or we should just let them be kids. When was the last time you attended a community meeting in your neighborhood? When was the last time you checked on your neighbors? When was the last time you volunteeeed to help with a community project? If we all became more involved in making this OUR community and taking responsibility for our community instead of insisting it was somebody else’s responsibilty that is when we will begin to see real change happen. Get involved and make a difference.

  • SGG March 23, 2015 (9:42 pm)

    Nothing surprising here except that it occurred on a relatively cold wet Sunday night. This kind of stuff usually happens when the weather begins to get nice in May or June.

    I wouldn’t expect a major police presence on Alki on a mid March Sunday night.

  • Ttt March 23, 2015 (10:41 pm)

    we avoid alki unless it is bad weather just because during sunny weather, all the thugs come out… It is weird that it occurred on a rainy sunday… Guess we’ll be avoiding rainy nights too.

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  • Tim burlow March 24, 2015 (12:06 am)

    Most of the comments here call for more police presence. Yet when we have a clear case of police brutality most people ask for less police, or simply claim how flawed the spd is. More police can not stop shootings. Take a look at New York city or Chicago

  • sophista-tiki March 24, 2015 (8:26 am)

    My comment is in reply to an above comment that made an inaccurate assumption that the north end is some how better. The whole city is over run with crappy uncivilized behavior. INCLUDING QA. They have their share of idiots hanging out in the park in the middle of the night causing problems and they also have their share of people getting shot, car prowls, house break ins, and entitled douchbags parking EVERYWHERE including blocking the driveways and on private property. The cops arn’t doing anything about it up there either.

  • Wes C. Addle March 24, 2015 (10:15 am)

    Totally agree with @sophista-tiki
    This is not an “Alki” thing. Ever been to Kerry Park late at night? It’s people cruising and partying up there too.
    If you’re someone in the 18-20 year old range you basically have no where to hang out except for public parks, lookout spots, etc . . . You can’t have a “party” at your parents nor can you hang out at a bar. Society is just changing fast now.

  • Thomas M. March 24, 2015 (10:45 am)

    A major video camera system is needed.

    The “buzzing sound” reported by a writer may well have been the sond of a “lead fly” passing within earshot. That’s what they sound like when they go by.

    Oddly, the breaking into an occupied vehicle by smashing a window is an assault on the occupants. That’s the old “container rule”. Usually it gets used to convict the attacker, here it could be used to defend the passenger shooter. Kharma works both ways.

  • Jean9 March 24, 2015 (10:56 am)

    This is sad, because these are teenagers. If the person shot would have talked, all the group could be in trouble because someone got shot. What scares me is the fact these hormonal teens have guns; where did they get them, from their parents? Do you really think they are gang members or just young kids on drugs maybe? Remember, there is an epidemic of heroin use in Seattle which could be a factor.
    With everyone gun happy thinking everyone should have a gun, including women and children, thanks NRA NOT for your stupidity, then expect more shootings and more innocent people getting shot. The 2nd amendment was written to help the militia catch slaves, it wasn’t intended that everyone should have an arsenal of guns that can kill many at once. That’s a lot different from a gun that shoots one bullet. This mentality means a lot more shootings, get used to it. I’m not happy with Seattle the way the authorities deal with homelessness, drug abuse etc. No wonder this is happening!

  • Mat March 24, 2015 (12:11 pm)

    Disgusting and unacceptable.

  • 1989 March 24, 2015 (1:52 pm)

    Alki was super sketchy after dark back in the 80s and 90s too. I was a teen back then, and unless you were looking for trouble there was no reason to go. Difference is, now you have more people noticing it because there are more condos, apartments and businesses along the beach.

  • Seattlite March 24, 2015 (4:19 pm)

    Jean9 – Illegal guns are all over the place. It’s not the gun but the bad, stupid person who has the gun. These teenagers are a rotten, bad lot and I would not be surprised if a few were gang members. “Just kids on drugs…” well drugs are what make teens or anyone else stupid, hence the stupidity of what went down on Alki.

  • Bradley March 24, 2015 (4:52 pm)

    @Jean9: if you think this sort of violent attack on the passengers in this car, the gunfire afterwards, and the lack of police presence at Alki after dark is the fault of NRA members, then you are far too uninformed to understand these issues.

  • maybetooold March 24, 2015 (5:57 pm)

    I’m 59 yrs old and left home when I was 14…what I don’t understand is back then I didn’t go out and get a gun I just hung out with friends got high and partied, I didn’t disrespect anyone, didn’t do harm to anyone or their belongings and then I woke up found a job bought a home got married and have been working ever since…what is wrong with kids now a days why do they think they need to do all of this???
    I guess I’m just old or maybe even though I ran away from home at 14 I still was raised with respect of myself and others???

  • Scott March 24, 2015 (9:59 pm)

    It’s to bad the people of Alki had to cry about the video camera’s that were put in and aren’t even running. This would help.

  • T Rex March 25, 2015 (8:26 am)

    maybetooold, it is a different world now. We were raised to have self respect FIRST, which in return made us respect other people. It is just good manners. What we are seeing is a generation of parents who either are not around or want to be “friends” with their kids and use no discipline whatsoever. They do not even teach them how to make their bed and keep their room clean, much less how to act in public.

    Add that to the influence of rap and hip hop music, the MTV generations of violence, guns and sex and this is what we get. A-hole thugs who think nothing of taking someone’s life over a stupid argument. But boy if the cops had been down there and shot one of these punks, all hell would have broken loose.

    Just my two cents.

  • B. Grizzle March 25, 2015 (11:39 am)

    This is an outrage. SPD please keep the scum out of my area where I live, run, and eat with my family who are all employed, law-abiding, tax paying, quality citizens. I don’t even go down to Alki on the nice days because of the riffraff. This needs to STOP!

  • alki sucks March 25, 2015 (12:38 pm)

    How do you know these thugs dont live in the neighborhood. You people are a bunch of racist. My children went to West Seattle which is in the neighborhood and had nothing but racists problems. Keep judging others. You will be judged also.

  • mrsMarty March 25, 2015 (5:52 pm)

    T Rex….you are exactly right and I agree whole heartily!

  • Youth of today March 26, 2015 (11:01 pm)

    Yep back in the day kids had self-respect and weren’t punks.

    Miller’s (1992) study indicated that gangs had become more dangerous than ever in the 1970’s. He attributed this to four major motives: honor, defense of local turf, control [of facilities], and gain [of money and goods]. In the 1970’s, “gang crime was more lethal than any time in history; more people were shot, stabbed, and beaten to death in gang-related incidents than during any previous decade . . . and the prevalence and sophistication of firearms used was unprecedented” (Miller, 1992:142).

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