Doubleheader meeting: Seattle Public Schools’ interim superintendent in West Seattle, as board delays permanent-job vote; Marty McLaren’s community chat

(WSB photos by Patrick Sand)
6:11 PM: We’re at Neighborhood House’s High Point Center, where Seattle Public Schools‘ interim superintendent Dr. Larry Nyland is about to start a “coffee hour” chat with community members. The district has just announced a one-week delay in the board’s vote on whether to offer him the permanent job – a sudden move that turned up in the agenda for Wednesday night’s board meeting. Under the new plan, the proposal will be introduced on Wednesday, then voted on during a separate special meeting one week later, 4:30 pm December 10th; details are on the district’s home page. (Comments? e-mail schoolboard@seattleschools.org )

Meantime, we’re covering tonight’s meeting (which will be followed at 7 pm by a community-conversation meeting with local school-board rep Marty McLaren, who is in the audience right now), and will add toplines as it goes.

6:31 PM: About 15 minutes into the Q/A, nothing about the superintendent’s job, but the first bit of news emerges:

A parent with a student in the APP advanced-learning program at Fairmount Park Elementary asks what the district plans for those students as they advance to middle school. District official Flip Herndon says, “the thought is that APP will be offered at Madison Middle School.”

He is told, though, that other district officials have said there are no such plans. Seems like this will be straightened out outside the meeting.

Earlier, another parent asked about plans to deal with possible overcrowding in West Seattle middle schools a few years down the road; it was pointed out that K-5 STEM is expanding to K-8 STEM, and that’s expected to help, as are the impending boundary changes that will move some students (including all of Sanislo Elementary) from the Denny feeder zone to the Madison feeder zone. The issue comes up again a few minutes later, and Herndon mentions the BTA 4 ballot measure in 2016, BEX 5 in 2019, and says the district “hasn’t decided quite what to do with (current) Schmitz Park Elementary or EC Hughes,” which Westside School (WSB sponsor) is vacating after this school year. (This is the first time we’ve heard the district back off the previously voiced plan to turn Schmitz Park into an “early learning center.”) The concerned parent meantime says the new boundary changes aren’t going to make anything better. “We’re trying a lot of things,” offers Dr. Nyland.

7:11 PM: The superintendent’s portion of the meeting is over and now McLaren’s community conversation is getting organized, once all the side conversations with district officials get wrapped up. We’ll add toplines here too, depending on what emerges.

7:22 PM: Assistant superintendent Herndon, whose accountabilities include facilities, is staying with McLaren’s group to answer capacity questions. For one, he says Madison is going to max out at some point, so they’ll have to answer future capacity questions. “The Madison-WSHS area, we’re going to be taking a look at,” he said.

7:30 PM: In this circle, two people have asked about the superintendent. So McLaren is addressing that now. She is talking about time constraints – saying that if they wanted to do a search, they’d have to start it now, to have a hire by next year. But “early on,” she said, some of the board members were impressed enough by Nyland to say “(he) knows what he’s doing” but decided to watch him a while longer. Then, she said, they did his evaluation – after 3 months – last week, went into executive session, and “there was a lot of agreement that … it would be the best thing for the district not to have a search; this leader has such unusual capacity and the district is in such a fragile position because of so much turnover … every time there’s a search you introduce so much uncertainty … Director Carr has a list of 15 or 20 people who have left in the past six years that she’s been here. … I could go around in circles saying ‘this is a great guy, this is a great guy’ (but) what I’ve seen … (him) walk into the district with so many difficult things happen, and have them erupt … (he) took responsibility as the leader even though he was brand new, ‘I’m in charge, I’m going to find out what happened, work with staff very aggressively, make sure from now on that we go in a direction that does not allow tose lapses.’

“So the decision’s been made?” asks one participant.

“No, the decision hasn’t been made, we still have to vote,” replied McLaren.

Then the observation from another attendee, who said he thought Nyland had come out of retirement just to be a temp and had no idea he’d be a permanent candidate.

“You guys are trying to bamboozle us,” accused another attendee, “with a major decision” (at a time when people are distracted), observing the extra week for discussion was only added “because of backlash.” She is concerned about the Gates Foundation grant that Nyland signed months before the board approved it. McLaren’s explanation was that grants were handled differently in Marysville, where Nyland last served as superintendent.

Another concern: Nyland might be a great guy, but the issue here is, will community input really be considered? “There are processes in place that need to be honored; people need to be heard,” said one participant who is a district teacher as well as parent.

“It’s not a slam dunk,” said McLaren, but “if we approve him, I think it’s going to be a very good thing for the district.”

Another teacher says there is much frustration among her peers and if Nyland becomes superintendent, will he “be willing” to “take on the culture of dysfunction that is happening at the district?” More classroom resources are needed, not more middle managers at district HQ. McLaren defends some of that, saying “sometimes you need someone centrally” to organize a particular area.

Next – a woman with concerns about the deaf and hard-of-hearing community. There is no one dedicated to overseeing those services, she explains, except as part of another job. She says while her family has had some good experiences, so many others have not – equipment that’s not available, etc. “Kids who use ASL as their primary means of communication don’t have a classroom to go to,” she says.

Speaking of communication – another woman who works at West Seattle Elementary says they work with families who are illiterate and don’t read flyers that are coming home, don’t read the media – and written communication “isn’t culturally relevant,” someone else chimes in. What about using other community-based organizations as resources, like those available here at Neighborhood House? asks the second attendee. “How are we going to use community-based organizations?” she asked, saying she brought it up to Dr. Nyland after his meeting. McLaren interrupts to say that the board is using “Smart Goals” to plan community engagement goals for next year. That could be applied to the services for deaf/hearing-impaired, it’s suggested.

8:05 PM: This is wrapping up, but one more question asks about the changes in the advance-learning (highly capable) programs. They’re on the board agenda for tomorrow night, notes McLaren. An attendee is concerned about the second-tier gifted program, Spectrum, which has often seemed to be in jeopardy. Of the “APP at Madison” mention earlier, McLaren agrees, “that was interesting!”

11 Replies to "Doubleheader meeting: Seattle Public Schools' interim superintendent in West Seattle, as board delays permanent-job vote; Marty McLaren's community chat"

  • coffee December 2, 2014 (6:16 am)

    I do not have children, however would be concerned that a person coming out of retirement would not want to have a job in this capacity for a long term. Does this mean that the board is looking for his ability to do a quick fix and then in 2 years look for another superintendent? I would assume that he will want to go back into retirement.

  • disappointed December 2, 2014 (7:26 am)

    One more example of “stellar leadership” at the district. No plans, no plans to have plans, and no transparency. BIG SURPRISE. I .. cant.. even.

  • WSCommunityMember December 2, 2014 (10:57 am)

    With regards to Dr. Nyland’s leadership in our district. After reading his bio, retirement was not what he was doing, he ‘retired’ but never stopped working in the field. His stellar leadership history should be welcomed here and the savings of the money for the district to do what they have failed to do multiple times (retain a superintendent that will take our district to the next level and beyond).
    http://seattleschools.org/modules/cms/pages.phtml?sessionid=314a6dc4f8ec92ca9518362241d6af26&pageid=315055&sessionid=314a6dc4f8ec92ca9518362241d6af26

  • sped parent December 2, 2014 (12:56 pm)

    Under Nyland, central administration has become MORE arrogant, MORE secretive, MORE concerned with politics and powerbrokers than with students and families.

  • Glad You Asked December 2, 2014 (2:09 pm)

    It’s appropriate that there’s some uncertainty about APP at Madison, actually better termed HCC (Highly Capable Cohort) at Madison. You need a critical mass for the self-contained classrooms to make sense, and Fairmount Park this year has fewer than 15 HCC 5th graders (I think). Advanced Learning has also been discussing how/if schools could offer a variety of Highly Capable services other than self-contained cohorts. So even if it’s the intention to roll out HCC into Madison, there’s some reason to delay the transition. A delay would also give time for the school to prepare, and to manage capacity issues. Uncertain demand, uncertain supply, cost of transition – it adds up to a bit of confusion, where not everyone is aligned or fully informed. I’m not saying the people managing this are perfect – some are excellent, some are nuts IMHO – but it doesn’t amount to the mismanagement on display elsewhere. I’m glad this parent asked the question, maybe it’ll prompt some needed discussions.

  • Charlie Mas December 2, 2014 (6:53 pm)

    Dr. Nyland’s excuse for signing the grant contract early, that he’s new and didn’t know the rule, is a lie.
    The Board approved a grant at his very first Board meeting and the rule was referenced in the Board Action Report and in the discussion of the grant. He had been told about the rule.
    Also, his job as superintendent is to implement and enforce Board policy, so you would reasonably expect that he has read the Board policies. There aren’t that many of them and most are less than a page. You could read them all in an afternoon. Hasn’t he read them? Didn’t he read them when he took the job? If not, why not? When did he intend to get around to reading the policies that he’s supposed to implement and enforce? Sounds to me like he’s doing a pretty slack job as superintendent if he hasn’t bothered to read them.

  • evergreen December 2, 2014 (7:49 pm)

    The dude was appointed interim super less than 5 months ago. Surely we can’t expect him to have read every document and operate flawlessly from the start. Every job has a learning curve, and SPS is a huge bureaucratic district. This time I support the argument to make him permenent without a time-consuming, costly process — for the sake of stability and economics. Real work needs to be done, he’s capable and has a few more years to give. Why not wait a couple of years before doing the full deal hunt for a long-term permanent super? A rigorous vetting produced 2 recent failures for our district, and we have a good enough candidate with already 5 months of learning and mistakes under his belt. It may feel uncomfortable to forgo our Seattle “process” for once, but right now it’s the easiest, least expensive and most logical decision.

  • Ivan December 2, 2014 (8:58 pm)

    This time I support the argument to make him permenent without a̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶-̶c̶o̶n̶s̶u̶m̶i̶n̶g̶,̶ ̶c̶o̶s̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ any quality control — for the sake of stability and economics.

    There, fixed it for you. This district needs all the quality control it can get, and to advocate against it is to promote and maintain incompetence. That is how $35 million goes missing. Maybe you have blanked that out of your memory. Many of us haven’t.

  • jennifer December 2, 2014 (9:15 pm)

    To keep you in the Loop! PLease read! VERY important! Seattle PTA suggests you contact your School Board rep, District VI, Marty McLaren, martha.mclaren@seattleschools.org if you have concerns.

    (206) 252-0040

    December 1, 2014

    Dear PTA Leaders and Presidents

    Below is a copy of a formal letter from SCPTSA to the Seattle School Board Directors regarding the vote this Wednesday December 3, 2014 to appoint Dr. Nyland as the permanent Superintendent of Seattle Public Schools until 2017 (full School Board Agenda). We suggest you inform your PTA members that they can contact their School Board representative if they have any concerns or comments regarding this vote.

    Thank you,

    SCPTSA Board

    Dear Seattle School Board Directors,

    As strong advocates for family engagement, we are concerned about the timing and rushed nature to appoint Dr. Nyland permanently through 2017.

    Our council board feels that a search for a Superintendent could provide other qualified candidates, however we also believe that providing consistent leadership and stability for staff and families also has value for our district at this time. When asked to provide support for a contract extension for Dr. Nyland as interim Superintendent, we agreed. Dr. Nyland’s commitment to stewardship and accountability of SPS resources, closing the opportunity gap, providing better customer service, and responding to parent concerns is encouraging. However, when appointing a permanent Superintendent these criteria and commitments should be fully assessed through a formal process.

    SCPTSA did not realize the School Board would be voting on this action so quickly without providing time for families to engage. The specifics of the contract extension, specifically to make this a permanent appointment, and the process for hiring the Superintendent, were unknown even to us. Families have been led to believe that there would be a full and transparent search process for the appointment of a new Superintendent. Five days’ notice over a holiday weekend is simply not enough time.

    The School Board should move at a more deliberate pace. This rushed action will likely perpetuate distrust of the School Board and the District. Rushed decisions continue to force parents to react instead of being able to engage effectively in their children’s education.

    We ask the School Board to delay this vote to explain the decision process to parents and school communities and allow sufficient time for response. It is vital the School Board takes the proper time to confirm the right person is being hired as the permanent Superintendent of our schools.

    Sincerely,

    Seattle Council PTSA Board

    Katherine Schomer, President

    Cassandra Johnston, Vice President

    Dianne Casper, Secretary

    Jenny Young, Treasurer

    Eden Mack, Advocacy/Legislative chair

    Julie van Arcken, Central Area Director

    Cecilia McCormick, Special Education Director

    Annabel Quintero, South West Area Director

    CC: PTA Board Leadership for all 82 PTA Local Units in Seattle

  • brandon December 3, 2014 (12:30 am)

    McLaren’s time is done and over due. She is nothing but a Seattle School Board apologist.

  • Fred December 3, 2014 (6:36 am)

    Hopefully the same blunder heads that chose the last superintendent from LA(one of the worst school districts on the West coast) are not choosing again.
    Bureaucrats are the worst, but education bureaucrats are the worst of the worst since they are taking money away from the kids in the form of their bureaucrat paychecks.
    Get rid of the waste in Seattle schools and spend the money directly on the kids!

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