Comments on: County reports potential measles exposure at two West Seattle-area stores

By: junctioneer

junctioneer — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:30:56 +0000

Arguments here quickly break down when I say “vaccines are mostly but not entirely effective” and it is quoted as “Vaccines aren’t effective”.

Additionally, I stand by my earlier statement that chicken pox is mostly harmless. 150 deaths down to 50? Really? The common cold kills thousands of people annually from complications. Here, I’ll say it: the common cold is mostly harmless, too. I never said it didn’t kill anyone.

Also, I never said all vaccinated diseases = chicken pox, either. Polio completely different, and very hard to argue against (I think, at least).

Lastly, I happen to think vaccines are a good thing. I have them. But I have some patience for those who don’t think that, and I don’t think our nation is worse off because of them.

By: Brian

Brian — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:43:17 +0000

Herd immunity is so so so important. People who don’t vaccinate their children and themselves are a danger to society and are the most selfish, self-centered and myopic citizens we have.
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Get vaccinated. Think about someone other than yourself for once.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 04:07:28 +0000

“Sheeple will be sheeple… Survival of the fittest!”

better to be a sheeple than a dead goat.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/05/measles-cdc-vaccine-vaccinations-disease/3878375/

Paul, do you like to eat Rainier cherries?

By: miws

miws — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 03:08:40 +0000

Sheeple will be sheeple… Survival of the fittest

Paul, if you are the same “Paul” that made the anti-vax comments above, is this the best you can do to challenge the scientific data, supporting vaccination, that others have linked to?

Mike

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:26:13 +0000

Sheeple will be sheeple… Survival of the fittest!

By: Andi

Andi — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:22:34 +0000

I’mcoveredinbees, (holy crap that scares me just to type) most definitely check with your doctor about possible booster shots, especially for MMR and tDap (tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis). Due to a change in the contents of the tDap, it’s believed not to last as long anymore.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-problem-of-waning-pertussis-immunity/

The two stores in the link Tracy posted are in my neighborhood. The Safeway is my regular grocery store. I don’t like the idea that my family and neighbors might have been put in danger by someone who either decided not to vaccinate (or is the child of anti-vaxxers), or was infected by someone who chose not to vaccinate. Refusing vaccinations without legitimate medical reasons not to is selfish.

By: pagefive

pagefive — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:11:40 +0000

i’mcoveredinbees, check out CDC’s adult immunization schedule or speak with your medical provider. Adults need vaccines, too! Depending on your age, you may be due for Tdap. Also MMR (and varicella if you never had chickenpox). Zoster for adults over 60.

By: i'mcoveredinbees

i'mcoveredinbees — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 01:31:13 +0000

Nicely put, zark

I will say, that I disagree with the way we immunize infants. Mine got really sick, so I postponed them a bit. He needs a few more and now I am motivated to get them all done.

It is a shame these diseases are coming back. I’m also not clear on booster schedules. I think I need to get some too!

By: zark

zark — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:31:04 +0000

Vaccines aren’t effective?
SO misleading, it’s irresponsible to say. In a measles outbreak statistically 100% of non-immunized people contract it, compared to ~1% of immunized people. Please, I beg you, just stop telling people stuff that is blatantly misleading.

Vaccines are mostly for non-dangerous diseases? Like chicken pox? So woefully misinformed it’s actually scary – I assume you think nobody ever dies from the pox? You’d be very, very, wrong.

Chickenpox vaccine was made publicly available in 1995.
In the early 90’s ~150 died each year form chicken pox.
In the early 2000’s that number was reduced to ~50.
100 DEATHS a year eliminated by the introduction of one vaccine. A vaccine for a disease that people here ignorantly claim is “harmless for the majority of people nowadays (with hospitalization). Think chicken pox.”

There have been zero, ZERO, deaths reported as adverse effect from the varicella vaccine.
ZERO
Citation:http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/medical/health/medical/pediatrics/story/2011/07/Vaccine-has-nearly-eliminated-chickenpox-deaths-in-children/49642072/1

Junctioneer – you really need to read this:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm
and this:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#people

By: datamuse

datamuse — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:01:03 +0000

Anything where possible death is a side effect is something I think we should have a choice to choose if we want to pump this stuff into our kids.
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Measles kills far more people than the measles vaccine ever did.
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Also, automatic fail for linking to Natural News. The guy who runs that site thinks that germs don’t cause disease, for god’s sake.
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Being told you’re wrong isn’t hateful, it’s being told you’re wrong. I suggest getting used to it if you’re going to participate in these kinds of discussions.

By: miws

miws — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 17:50:30 +0000

What is so hateful about scientific evidence and logic?

Mike

By: Sarishah

Sarishah — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 17:45:25 +0000

“There are people with legitimate medical reasons to avoid vaccines. Because they are unable to get vaccinated they are at a higher risk of contracting vaccine-prevented diseases. Because we live in a society, those of us who are able to be vaccinated should be, in order that those who cannot will be safe. The eradication of fatal childhood disease benefits us all, but cannot be done if people choose not to get vaccinated because they’ve chosen to believe garbage science.”

Well-put, Halyn. I know a few people who had bad reactions when they were vaccinated and they’re big supporters of vaccines to protect those who can’t be vaccinated.

By: KBear

KBear — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 17:03:36 +0000

Don’t be ridiculous, Junctioneer. Chickenpox may be one of the least-deadly diseases we have a vaccine for, but I would hardly call it “harmless”. What about polio? Sorry if you feel the comments have been “hateful”, but American society seems to be plagued by an increasing ignorance of science. Your individual “right” to avoid vaccines is trumped by others’ right to live free from the threat of deadly disease.

By: junctioneer

junctioneer — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:33:01 +0000

What people posting are failing to realize is that 1: vaccinations are mostly effective, but not entirely effective 2: most vaccinations are for diseases that are, in the vast majority of cases, quite harmless. And, while I think vaccines are safe, I don’t mock those who aren’t sure. There’s a lot about science we really don’t know. The human body is a mystery. There are plenty of toxins today that people just didn’t worry about 100 years ago. Can you really fault people for thinking that there vaccines could also have effects that we really don’t understand?

Again, the most important thing, if you actually look up most diseases (I’m referring to all vaccines, not just MMR), most are harmless for the majority of people nowadays (with hospitalization). Think chicken pox. The comments here are downright hateful and I’m ashamed to live in a society where there is such a fear of those who exercise their right to live in freedom.

By: enough

enough — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:32:16 +0000

“Glad to see the majority of people posting here are smart. This issue has gotten out of hand thanks to quasi celebrities, mommy bloggers and people “educating” themselves at University of Google. This isn’t a debate. Vaccinations exist for a reason.”

YUUUUUUUP! Totally agree JT!