Metro money mess: Transit executives warn City Council of what’s ahead without Legislature help

That “cartoon” is what Metro Transit executives used to wrap up their briefing for the Seattle City Council this morning. “Cartoon” isn’t quite the right word; the prospect of more bus-service cuts is no laughing matter, as they warned – the briefing was basically the same one that Metro general manager Kevin Desmond gave to news media four weeks ago (WSB coverage here), with one extra twist: The Legislature has now adjourned without approving a transportation-funding package, and there’s no guarantee it’ll do so in the special session that is set to start May 13th. If they don’t, Desmond warned councilmembers, “we risk taking a giant step backward … the impacts will be very, very significant, (putting) up to 70 percent of current routes at risk.”

If you missed the previous round of coverage and discussion: The problem is twofold – the “congestion reduction charge” to supplement Metro funding expires next year, and it can’t be extended or replaced without Legislature approval. Then there’s the state “mitigation” money that added bus service to help while Highway 99 construction was under way; though the construction’s not really over till 2019, that money expires next year too.

So, Metro has drawn up its list of the types of cuts it might have to make if one or both of those funding sources isn’t replaced. Never mind the fact, it’s pointed out, that the service shouldn’t just be holding steady right now, it should be growing along with the population and usage.

At City Hall this morning, though Desmond stressed that the potential scenario is still an “illustration,” not a definite “plan” (same basic list shown during the April 1st briefing – here’s the West Seattle and vicinity breakout), he said that if the Legislature’s special session ends without a solution to Metro’s money woes, they’ll have to start working immediately on a plan to cut/reduce service, to be brought to the public this fall.

(Route 21, photographed this morning on Avalon Way)
(See today’s full slide deck here – note the West Seattle page saying “Neighborhoods such as Arbor Heights, Shorewood, Genesee Hill and Beach Drive could lose all service.)

Bus riders aren’t the only ones with someone at stake, Desmond noted – cuts would put tens of thousands of car trips back on the road. He acknowledged that in areas such as West Seattle’s Arbor Heights and Beach Drive neighborhoods, where service was cut last fall, some already have gone back to cars, if that’s an option for them. And without replacement funding, that’ll already get worse, though West Seattle is by no means the only area that’ll be affected.

West Seattle-residing Councilmember Tom Rasmussen, who chairs the council’s Transportation Committee, called it a “sobering assessment,” adding that legislators “need to give us the options to find solutions to meet the region’s transportation needs.” He was particularly concerned about more cuts making the bus system less reliable.

After the briefing, both Rasmussen and fellow Councilmember Tim Burgess issued news releases including calls for the Legislature to take action to help Metro avoid cuts. Do note that this is not a call for new state money – it’s just a call for the Legislature to give local governments/agencies permission to ask their taxpayers in turn to approve potential funding sources such as motor-vehicle excise tax, a car-registration fee, and/or a gas tax.

Before the session in Olympia ended, we had been in touch with 34th District State Rep. Joe Fitzgibbon – a member of the state House Transportation Committee – regarding progress (or lack of it) on this issue, so we have a message out to him again today seeking comment on transit-funding prospects when legislators reconvene.

ADDED TUESDAY MORNING: Rep. Fitzgibbon’s reply:

While the primary focus of the special session will be the state operating budget, I definitely expect the transportation revenue package to be one of the issues that we discuss and try to resolve in the special session. There continue to be some differences between the Senate and the House on transportation revenue but we are working to come to an agreement so that we can pass a package, including a local funding option for Metro. The bills from the last session will remain alive in the special session.

71 Replies to "Metro money mess: Transit executives warn City Council of what's ahead without Legislature help"

  • Diane April 29, 2013 (1:32 pm)

    this “cartoon” is excellent depiction of situation right now; it would be insane to allow transit to get any worse
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    yesterday/Sunday, it took me an hour to walk and bus from Admiral to Fauntleroy, to volunteer at Colman Estate; that’s within West Seattle, an hour (on the “Rapid Ride” route, which does not extend into my neighborhood, so that includes 45 mins of walking, and waiting for the bus)
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    tonight it seems the fastest routes for me to get to Mayor’s Forum in Georgetown, 2 buses and more than an hour
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    if we lose more bus service, it will truly be a disaster, and a disgrace

  • LivesInWS April 29, 2013 (1:39 pm)

    “where service was cut last fall, some already have gone back to cars, if that’s an option for them.”

    Ha, that’s what I was thinking. That cartoon shows what’s already happened in my area of West Seattle.

  • Amanda April 29, 2013 (1:56 pm)

    Kevin Desmond should lose his job. This is NOT funny, and a FEAR based complaint CARTOON is the last straw. I still call for a fiscal audit of Metro – immediately – before any decisions are made “by the public”. Unbelievable.

  • anonyme April 29, 2013 (2:01 pm)

    This has already happened, and these jackasses think it’s CARTOON worthy? Time to kick these jerks out, caricatures and all. They just wasted millions to DEGRADE bus service, and now they’re blackmailing us for more money. This has become a disturbing trend.

  • Lura Ercolano April 29, 2013 (2:14 pm)

    I don’t think I have ever heard a clear statement of Metro’s primary purpose. Is it to reduce car congestion? Or to get some people to work (but not others)? To provide everyone in the city with a basic, non-luxurious transportation option? To subsidize some developers (but not others) by allowing apartment buildings without parking? To subsidize some employers (but not others) by having routes to certain employment centers? To support education by getting kids to school?
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    I think there really needs to be a discussion about what the goals are, and some general consensus about what we expect from our bus system, before proceeding.
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  • Chris W April 29, 2013 (2:24 pm)

    Fiscal audit indeed, Amanda.

  • kay April 29, 2013 (2:33 pm)

    Honestly confused…is the Rapid Ride project funded differently, or have a separate budget, from the rest of Metro transit? It seems to me that the money Metro needs now, went into the C and D line buses/bulbs/reader-boards/wi-fi etc. Are plans off for the rest of the RR’s? If I understand correctly, Metro is dependent on supplemental funding for appx. 70% of its operating costs. …in any case, if given the opportunity, I will not vote to keep giving Metro tax dollars.

  • JimClark April 29, 2013 (3:01 pm)

    I vote for a complete overhaul of KCM from top to bottom. (management wise)

  • anonyme April 29, 2013 (3:19 pm)

    From what I understand, there has already been a fiscal audit – which Metro passed. The problem with this type of audit is that it only exposes illegal actions – not stupid, irresponsible decision-making, such as spending millions on bus shelters that don’t shelter – but they ARE a shiny new color. As Lura said, there needs to be an independent review that identifies priorities and funds them. There is something totally rotten going on at Metro, and yes, Kevin Desmond’s ass should be out on the street with no hope of transportation. Even though it will mean crushing hardship for me (as I rely totally on the bus and my service will be completely eliminated) I WILL NOT GIVE METRO ANOTHER PENNY.

  • Lura Ercolano April 29, 2013 (3:27 pm)

    I support taxes for schools because the point is that the schools offer a basic education to everyone. I wouldn’t support school taxes if the idea was that they would provide a subsidized education just for a few kids in a few special neighborhoods.
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    I suppose everyone has different ideas about what Metro’s priorities should be, but my idea would be that anyone can get from any point A to any point B with no more than ___ transfers and no more than ___ distance of walking, and no more than ____ hours waiting…
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    AFTER some basic service committment like that is defined and in place, THEN I could see addressing other issues.
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  • alkiobserver April 29, 2013 (3:49 pm)

    Spot on kay. My sentiments exactly. Maybe its time this town got serious about real mass transit: A rail line that doesn’t share the same lanes as cars. The fact that 70% of Metro’s budget comes from supplemental means is not sustainable or logical at all. We need to rethink spending more for less buses that serve fewer and fewer people.

  • G April 29, 2013 (3:57 pm)

    I’m FURIOUS! They think they can threaten us with service cuts, when we’re already dealing with the diaster that is CrapidRide? You mean, I might have to give up standing on a jam-packed bus from downtown to West Seattle each day? Oh no!

  • Goleta April 29, 2013 (4:21 pm)

    I agree that metro should be audited ASAP. We need to know what we are really looking at here.

  • Mickymse April 29, 2013 (4:32 pm)

    MOST of the money (but I don’t think all) for Rapid Ride buses and improvements came from a federal grant encouraging BRT.
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    And good on Desmond and Metro for dealing in reality. That cartoon represents EXACTLY the types of effects and complaints that will occur with a loss of money.
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    Anyone who thinks this is all due to some reckless misuse of tax dollars by Metro has simply not been paying attention. Over the last few years, Metro has undergone a major audit that identified areas for improvement, and it updated many of its policies to reflect clear goals, based on real data. Fares have also increased 100% in the last several years, and an additional quarter increase is virtually certain in the next year or two.
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    While many residents in West Seattle are upset with the Fall Service Change, it was based on many of those audit-suggested improvements and policy changes, and has resulted in greater efficiency, higher ridership, and better fare recovery.
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    Our funding for transit, bike, and pedestrian improvement is a tiny fraction of overall transportation spending, and it’s high time we increase it a modest amount.

  • LWC April 29, 2013 (4:39 pm)

    Thanks for being a lone voice of reason, Mickymse.

  • Boone April 29, 2013 (5:00 pm)

    Mickymse- This still ignores the main argument of people being stranded by metro in their neighborhoods. They PAY with tax dollars for a service that they will be denied. Why should a taxpayer have to pay for a service that they are promised, but then cannot use?

  • Mtnpeak April 29, 2013 (5:10 pm)

    Yes thanks Mickymse. The reason Metro (and other transit agencies around the region) are so underfunded is that a hefty portion of their expenses are paid for by sales tax and motor vehicle excise tax. Since both these sources have been hammered in recent years by voter initiatives and economic downturns, our transit agencies have to find other ways of staying solvent.

  • West Seattle Hipster April 29, 2013 (5:16 pm)

    Thanks for being voices of reason, Amanda,anonyme, Lura Ercolano, kay, JimClark, alkiobserver, G, and Goleta. It is inconceivable that people allow themselves to be blackmailed by such underhanded tactics.

    Kevin Desmond has done nothing to deserve his job, and Metro has devolved greatly under his “leadership”. Changes need to be made at Metro that result in greater efficiency, higher ridership, and better fare recovery.

    Metro needs to clean up their act, and I think it is time for an investigation into their operations.

  • Jason April 29, 2013 (5:17 pm)

    If you truly are furious, the best thing you can do is to stop complaining on this blog and start complaining to Olympia. The more they hear both the good and the bad, the better.
    Wondering if the WS blog folks can post some links/emails where we can make our voice heard.

  • G April 29, 2013 (5:34 pm)

    anonyme,

    I couldn’t agree more.

  • LWC April 29, 2013 (5:38 pm)

    West Seattle Hipster – I find it fittingly ironic that you list the names of several commenters, half of whom are angry because metro doesn’t send empty buses down every Seattle street, and half of whom are angry because they think Metro spends too much on these same inefficient routes. Voices of reason indeed…

  • Todd April 29, 2013 (5:47 pm)

    It still comes down to trying to squeeze more money out of cars. It’s right in the article and they added a $20 fee last year to your annual registration if you live in King Co. It still confuses me to think that the idea to fund transit through taxes on cars and trucks is sustainable. Do people who choose to drive deserve to be punished? If the goal is to get more people out of cars and onto transit, then what happens if they succeed? They need a 70% subsidy now…what if fewer cars are actually on the road in a few years? Will drivers have to pay even more? What about hybrids and electric vehicles? Less gas tax from those…will that lead to higher annual fees?
    Metro has dug itself into a hole the last 20 years…the whole “ride free” area downtown is subsidized by the taxpaying public – what percentage of us find it useful? I would love to see a public audit statement with ridership numbers and how many passes are subsidized.

  • G April 29, 2013 (5:52 pm)

    I can say personally, that the extra transfer during the day, makes a big difference when I get home and the amount of energy I’m left with when I do get home; I can’t imagine an elderly person navigating this horror now.

    As a side note, I was recently coming back to WS during a rush hour on the C line and a young woman became claustrophic because it was absolutely packed to the gills. She became sick and after a heated exchange with the driver, she was finally let off. Is this the new Seattle we have to get used to? It’s NOT the one I grew up in.

    Fare will continue to go up irrespective of new revenue, that’s for certain. Not exactly a great deal anymore. And frankly, service will not get appreciably better, despite the promises. The C line hub-spoke model (sounds good on paper) is here to stay and I’m very pessimistic about the whole thing, sorry.

    Time to dust off the car again.

  • candrewb April 29, 2013 (5:56 pm)

    They forgot this one: “I live in Capitol Hill and there are three or four lines I can take at any given time and never be farther than a half mile of where I need to be.”

  • duder April 29, 2013 (6:11 pm)

    I’ve been here for ten years and I find the entire Seattle Bus system utterly confusing. Granted I only ride once or twice a week because I am lucky enough to walk to work but the system seems disjointed and unfriendly.

    Can someone please explain to me the numbering system of metro buses? Is there a reason for it or is it just for recognition?

  • WenG April 29, 2013 (6:15 pm)

    Mickymse, thanks for posting this. Mtnpeak, yes, the MVET. WSF lost MVET and has struggled to maintain service ever since. If your funding sources aren’t sustainable, it’s not a conspiracy. Step back and decide whether or not a man named Eynman, who probably never rode a bus in his life, should continue to be in front of this issue. Whether or not we agree in our opinions, WE need to be in front of this issue. Cuts are unacceptable but have been a long time in the making. Who benefits by continuing to play politics with a gas tax well into a new century? I think the best answer is for everyone to come together to take action. Pressure the legislature, become fully informed on the how and the why, insist that our state and federal senators and reps provide answers, (my first question: did our money go to the tunnel and not to buses on the ground?), tell KCM “No cuts” and organize around that mandate. If the KCM budget doesn’t make sense, absolutely demand accountability, but we can’t just leave this at blackmail and traffic jams. WenG

  • cascadianone April 29, 2013 (6:22 pm)

    Imagine taking a quick elevator ride next to Easy Street Records, down to the underground platform at Alaska Junction Station.

    Your smartphone was correct; the train glides to a stop right on time. The train stops again briefly on the elevated platform that is Delridge Station before crossing the Duwamish.

    Flying over Harbor Island on a dedicated guideway, you notice cars sitting in heavy traffic on the bridge. Yes, a fender-bender has once again caused gridlock. The LINK tracks- being totally separated from roads and cars- aren’t affected.

    You arrive downtown in about fifteen minutes, clean, dry and ready for work or play…

    Let’s build this! We deserve it and, let’s be honest, West Seattle can afford it. Even if you HATE public transit and LOVE driving, realize that this will ease traffic and get some of those damn buses out of your way! :D

  • Kelly April 29, 2013 (6:27 pm)

    @Amanda.. Do you live in W.Seattle by chance? Because ALL of that is EXACTLY what has happened to that specific area along.. I speak as a former bus rider AND former occupant of the area..

    It isn’t fear mongering OR irresponsible and to call for someone to lose their job for pointing out the obvious is something I’D consider to be not only irresponsible but malicious as well..

  • LWC April 29, 2013 (6:53 pm)

    @Todd – the ride free area ended last year as part of the October restructure, much of which happened as a result of recommendations from third-party audits metro had previously gone through. It’s easy to be frustrated when you’re uninformed.

  • jiggers April 29, 2013 (7:27 pm)

    If the money came from a federal grant to create the new service, then how in the meantime was the local government supposed to keep it up and running that’s already been cash strapped? More grant money? I don’t know, really… It seems like King County bit off more than they could chew. If that’s the case, you have to jack up the fares to $5 a trip or go ahead and just make the cuts.

  • West Seattle Hipster April 29, 2013 (7:39 pm)

    cascadianone, I like the way you think.

  • Fire Ball April 29, 2013 (8:01 pm)

    King County Metro spends money like it falls from the sky..
    All those new buses you see….$800,000.00 each, the buses that are about 5+ years old are sold for scrap @$2,000.00
    These buses are in perfect running order and could be sold as used. Plus all the parts are scrapped once all the buses of that model are out of service. I could go on, but why ……

  • Amanda April 29, 2013 (9:09 pm)

    @Kelly. Yes, I live in West Seattle. And yes I believe that delivering a CARTOON to depict the problems that Metro is seeing because of their decisions is childish, irresponsible and completely unprofessional. The fact that Kevin Desmond keeps coming to the King County Council, and us by proxy, saying they need more money is horrible. If he can’t manage the money he has been given, we need to find out how he is managing the money. We are being blackmailed as one other commenter pointed out. Something is seriously wrong here. I ride the bus all the time. The C is on an HONOR system. You never ever, have to pay. Ever. See that as a problem? I sure do. Fiscal audit was NOT done to my knowledge. A performance audit was done which is something completely different to this Bookkeeper.

  • Bob H April 29, 2013 (9:11 pm)

    Cascadianone, you forgot something…

    http://seattlesubway.org/

  • miws April 29, 2013 (9:27 pm)

    Can someone please explain to me the numbering system of metro buses? Is there a reason for it or is it just for recognition?

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    duder, Metro’s route numbering system originated decades ago, with its predecessor within the Seattle City Limits; Seattle Transit, and some of it even goes back to the old streetcar days.

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    I don’t remember the “logic” behind it back then, but IIRC, it did have a specific pattern, that made sense.

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    With the changes that naturally come with the evolution of a region, and its transit system, routes have been discontinued, split up; some routes that once throughrouted literally split apart into their own individual route, others continued to throughroute, but one leg of it had its number switched, to prevent confusion from having, for example, a Route 15 that not only served Crown Hill in Ballard, but the Admiral District, and Alaska Junction in West Seattle as well. Or, an 18, that served both Loyal Heights in Ballard and Gatewood, and alternately Fauntleroy in West Seattle.

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    Anyway, I think Metro may have tried to keep some logic in the route numbering as it has changed over the years, and still does, but with all of the growth and changes, has been unable to maintain a totally logical seeming numbering system.

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    Mike

  • newnative April 29, 2013 (9:45 pm)

    Amanda, how do you come to the belief you never have to pay for RapidRide? They have fare enforcers that come on to check orca cards and transfers. The bus system here is mediocre at best and severely limiting for for those of us who wish to work outside of our neighborhood.

  • Moose2 April 29, 2013 (9:50 pm)

    These comments show how difficult to is for Metro to keep everyone happy all the time. Calls of an ‘audit’ and better efficiency are bizarre – there was an audit a few years ago, and many were changes made. The Sep change was designed to improve efficiency, which at its core means more people riding, and that unfortunately for those of us in less dense areas means means less coverage of low-ridership areas (buses with few riders are expense and inefficient to run).
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    Metro scraps buses after five years? No, there are hundreds of buses in Metro’s fleet that are 10+ years old.
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    Comments that Metro has mismanaged it’s funding are way off. Metro only gets what it is allocated by the legislature. The whole point is that the legislature funding Metro via a highly variable source (sales tax) and that makes planning impossible. This needs to change to something much more predictable such as the MVET. Better bus service means more riders, so less congestion so this source of funding is something that car owners should welcome.

  • Tina April 29, 2013 (10:47 pm)

    When the ride free area was eliminated, Metro made a deal with DSHS which distributed Human Resource “fare” passes which are all day passes for low income. DSHS pays Metro about .20 on the dollar. They are being: sold, photo-copied, dates changed and used over and over again………so basically the ride free area is back, double what it was because of this. Once again, a loss of money.

  • Westy since '92 April 29, 2013 (10:59 pm)

    To all those calling for “trains gliding to a stop on time” or “flying over harbor island,” yet you don’t want to pay for what transit really costs, just wait till you find out how many gazillions those “gliding & flying” thingamajigs will cost. Surely you jest…

  • mariem April 30, 2013 (3:13 am)

    Don’t underfund public transit. All for improved efficiencies, but some of us are working out of the home parents who do not have the luxury of owning a car. Cuts thus far have been inconvenient; further reductions in service could be devastating. On another note the infographic isn’t the most effective or impressive way to get the point across in my opinion. Nothing like hearing directly from those who use metro.

  • jeff platt April 30, 2013 (7:47 am)

    i say cut it 50%
    tired of dumb bus bumps and the backed up traffic that comes with buses

  • Thomas April 30, 2013 (8:01 am)

    Tina, there’s always been a break given for that. It was briefly in the spotlight but for little cause. Heck, anyone that pays car tab in Seattle gets eight free tickets (which are virtually unclaimed). Go claim them and donate them, reduce the need for DHSH deals.

  • Kelly April 30, 2013 (8:40 am)

    @amanda.. snap.. i’m a dumbass.. for some reason i thought you were talking about the actual cartoonist.. my apologies.. in regards to the c line.. i noticed that there are a lot of people who seem to be able to hop on without paying.. i also noticed at some stops they have that farebot box so in regards to SOME of the seeming nonpays, that may be part of it.. and i’ve heard that tickets are being issued.. unfortunately, not every route has fare enforcement on it (an entirely ludicrous system imo – they could have just been paying more bus drivers.. sheesh).. @mickymse – metro isn’t exactly well known for it’s management of money.. a few years ago, they didn’t bother to budget for ANY possible gas increase.. and that was right before the gas prices ballooned.. also.. what kind of fare does metro lose with the passengers they have to pass up in order to transport the high school kids all over instead of on the big yellow school bus?.. @jeff platt.. seriously? please PLEASE tell me you’re joking.. buses cause congestion? not the single occupant drivers who refuse to ride the bus because the service has become so crappy or because they’d just rather drive their gas guzzling suv while guzzling their 5 dollar latte and texting? not only less routes but MORE time spent commuting in an even more cramped bus have led to that.. admittedly, we should just suck it up and commit to keeping a healthy planet for future generations and figure out other ways to commute.. but seriously.. like there’s going to be a mass mind shift like that *insert eyeroll*..

  • Joe Szilagyi April 30, 2013 (8:40 am)

    I almost wish the head of Metro was an elected position, so they would be answerable to… someone.

  • Kelly April 30, 2013 (8:46 am)

    and to anyone who wants to complain about taxes on their vehicles.. single occupant vehicles are historically more likely to be involved in accidents that do damage.. not only to other people and other single occupant vehicles but to state owned property as well.. 2/3’s of washington drivers are underinsured (or uninsured) and think they have enough coverage (we are SO woefully uninformed in the cost of things at times).. also.. i’m sure there’s some infographic out there that shows a demographic of drivers vs bus riders and drivers being out and about and driving MORE than the bus riders do.. so.. yes.. incrementally speaking, you should be paying more taxes (also speaking as a car owner tyvm).. if you can afford a car, that means you should be able to afford everything that goes along with it.. like having kids.. or pets.. or any other thing in your life that requires some kind of maintenance.. *gasp.. the HORROR

  • West Seattle since 1979 April 30, 2013 (8:54 am)

    Jeff, traffic would be a lot worse without buses, if all the people who now take buses start driving.

  • Will Green April 30, 2013 (9:00 am)

    Can someone please explain to me the numbering system of metro buses? Is there a reason for it or is it just for recognition?

    The in-Seattle route numbers are largely inherited from the old Seattle Transit System, which largely inherited their route numbers from the old streetcar system that existed in Seattle from the late 1800s until it was dismantled in the 40s. Inside those routes, there are some patterns (for example, busses in the 70s mostly go towards the U-District and points north), but it’s pretty random.

    Outside of Seattle, the route numbers were largely set by Metro Transit in the 70s, though many routes were inherited from older companies, and so there’s some more logic to them. 100s go to South King County, 200s go to East King County, and 300s go into North King County. Routes numbered in the 400s or 800s are Community Transit’s commuter runs from Snohomish County, with 400s going downtown and 800s going to the U-District. 500s are Sound Transit Express routes, which are operated by the various local transit agencies under contract (mostly Metro), and cover all of Sound Transit’s service area.

  • Amanda April 30, 2013 (9:13 am)

    @newnative, I have ridden the C Bus maybe 3 dozen times, not ONCE has a fare enforcer been on the bus. When they pull up, you just get on. They must assume you paid at the bus stop.
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    Last fiscal audit of Metro info that I could find:
    http://your.kingcounty.gov/exec/news/1998/audit.htm
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    A performance audit is not a debits and credits audit. I would like to see the P&L and Balance Sheet for Q4 2012 and Q1 2013.
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    I don’t see Kevin Desmond calling for a reduction in Metro staff or a change to their overtime policy at all. Are there any plans to lay people off? Take a pay cut? There are bus drivers that make in overtime what they almost earn in regular pay! (2011 amounts)
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    http://www.thenewstribune.com/soundinfo/kingsalaries/?appSession=219253773899775&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=1&cpipage=2&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=
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    We can sit back and let them do this to us, or we can fight!

  • George P. Burdell April 30, 2013 (9:21 am)

    If everyone moves to the eastside, there are plenty of busses with empty seats to ride out there. Problem solved.

  • Will Green April 30, 2013 (10:19 am)

    Amanda,
    Metro was audited in 2008 by the Municipal League, that report is available here: https://docs.google.com/a/munileague.org/folder/d/0Bx4XUltlhBccbU9IWjRGVjFOdU0/edit?pli=1&docId=0Bx4XUltlhBccUVZpQ3B0NmdvT3c

    The League issued a follow up report a few weeks ago, that report is here: https://docs.google.com/a/munileague.org/folder/d/0Bx4XUltlhBccbU9IWjRGVjFOdU0/edit?pli=1&docId=0BwyV8OPuXdyudEk3S0ZBNFl3SXM

    Additionally, in 2009, Metro was audited by the County itself – that report can be found on this page, about half way down: http://www.kingcounty.gov/operations/auditor/Reports/Year/2009.aspx

    Both of those audits resulted in some significant changes in how Metro operates internally. Along with the audits, the recession forced Metro to cut a significant number of staff and programs, as well as reduce things like recovery time at the end of the route. The fact that all bus drivers are represented by the Amalgamated Transit Union complicates the process of reducing labor costs (which make up the majority of costs in any transit system), but some small progress has been made there, too.

    Metro’s budget is easily found on their website: http://metro.kingcounty.gov/am/budget/

    On fare enforcement, I’ve been checked several times, and I’ve seen them kick plenty of people off the bus, or issue fines.

  • Kayleigh April 30, 2013 (10:34 am)

    Even supposedly educated, progressive Seattle people want what they want, but they don’t want to pay for it. Metro has been audited; there are no magical areas of their budget that can be cut without sacrificing *something.* It’s like telling a person that if they are struggling to pay their rent, maybe they should have a couple fewer lattes a month. Yeah, they probably should, but that isn’t going to solve the problem, is it?
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    This is what much of Europe has figured out that Americans stuck in adolescent arrested development haven’t figured out: government programs run on taxes and fees, not magic. We all get what we pay for. When revenue is down, we get less or else we need to pay more. Cutting budgets generally results in less service, not enough magically improved efficiency to make a real difference.
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    Our public transit system is about to head into Are You Kidding?! territory. Pathetic for a major American city.

  • Will Green April 30, 2013 (11:02 am)

    All those new buses you see….$800,000.00 each, the buses that are about 5+ years old are sold for scrap @$2,000.00
    These buses are in perfect running order and could be sold as used. Plus all the parts are scrapped once all the buses of that model are out of service. I could go on, but why ……

    Fireball,
    You really should check your numbers before talking about things you clearly haven’t looked in to.

    Busses can range anywhere from $500,000 to about a $1,000,000, depending on size, features, propulsion technology, and the like. That’s normal for busses – the market for transit coaches is pretty small, especially in the US, and the lack of volume drives costs up a bit. Additionally, they’re designed to take a lot more wear and tear than your average family car.

    Metro’s oldest busses are well over 20 years old – the Breda trolly busses were purchased in the late 1980s for the transit tunnel, downtown. The shorter trolly busses are…interesting, to say the least: the electric motors in them were built in the mid-1970s, then refurbished by Metro and placed into the shell of a Gillig Phantom in the early 2000s – making elements of them well over 30 years old.

    The most recent busses to be retired were purchased between 1996 and 1999, making them at least 14 years old. The Federal Transit Administration’s guidelines for bus fleet replacement specify shorter busses be replaced every 10 years (or 350,000 miles), and larger busses be replaced every 12 years (or 500,000 miles). Metro exceeds all of those numbers.

    Maintaining a modern fleet isn’t wasting money – it actually saves money. Old busses cost a lot of money to keep operational, and still break down far more often. That’s assuming you can even get parts: Metro’s oldest trolly busses use *analog computers* to control their propulsion system – no one makes those anymore, and the mechanics have had to come up with some pretty crazy solutions to keep them moving.

  • Rumbles April 30, 2013 (12:15 pm)

    Hey, if there is going to be less bus service, can we get those two bus lanes converted back to normal car lanes on Alaska Street? :-)

  • West Seattle since 1979 April 30, 2013 (1:20 pm)

    @Will Green, do you know if the other portion of the quoted email is true–do they really sell retired buses for scrap at about $2K? Or do you know where we could find out? I don’t mean to pick on the original poster, but I’m having a hard time believing that these buses are all sold for about $2K for scrap, especially since I seem to remember reading about some retired buses being sold to transit agencies in smaller towns somewhere.

  • burned April 30, 2013 (1:50 pm)

    Honestly I’m about to the point where I’m cheering for this result. That cartoon is already reality for a lot of West Seattle and traffic / transit is only going to get worse once the tunnel drilling commences and the viaduct comes down.
    *

    We’re not going to get any change until *everyone* feels the pain, so let’s bring it on. I’m already one of those people pushed off the bus and into a car, so it’s not getting much worse for me.

  • Smoley April 30, 2013 (2:19 pm)

    If I were an employer interviewing prospective new employees, I’d think twice about hiring someone who relied on public transportation to get to work each day. It’s just too unreliable at this point and doesn’t sound like it’s going to get better any time soon.

  • Thomas April 30, 2013 (2:28 pm)

    @Will Green: Thank you for the links!

  • Admiral935 April 30, 2013 (2:47 pm)

    In the mail today from metro, got a return postage paid survey card for $10 free orca card. 3 questions and you sign the dotted line 1) how many drivers and # of cars in household, 2) How much of your travel is by; drive, walk, bus, bike, carpool 3) Number of round trips by vehicle type you took yesterday. mark X for made no trips yesterday. Sign and promise to use card within 2weeks.

    But wait, there’s more: you can be eligible to win a Chinook Book coupon book.

    postage paid by addressee: 707 Lind Ave Renton (Mailhandlers).

    This was for route 50 zip codes 98108,118,144,,106,116,126.

    Is this the kind of information they are lacking at HQ?
    I walk, and I have taken my car out of storage for other duties. The bus is my last resort. It was 1st choice up to mid last year. buh-bye

    • WSB April 30, 2013 (3:34 pm)

      Admiral – They sent a survey BY POSTAL MAIL? That’s kind of boggling. So resource-intensive. Thanks for mentioning that, am going to check on what research this might be part of … TR

  • Admiral935 April 30, 2013 (3:56 pm)

    TR, yes, via USPS a “4-color” card stock perforated fancy mailer dealio, with All the trimmings, from: KC Metro Div, Marketing&Promotion, Mail Stop KSC-TR-0894, 98104. If that helps. I dunno, I used to print these types of mailings and they are very pretty.

    “Metro. We’ll Get You There.” 206-553-3300

    ps. just noticed “this offer is for residents within one quarter mile of route 50 only.”

    “KCMetro is working with LUUM, a private company, to bring you the Route 50 Challenge”

    no need to mention me in further stories,
    TR you guys Rock.

  • Will Green April 30, 2013 (3:57 pm)

    @West Seattle since 1979

    Retired busses are auctioned off by the county, using the same process and rules as any other surplus auction (see here: http://www.kingcounty.gov/transportation/kcdot/Auctions.aspx). I can’t say that they’re sole for scrap – what happens to the bus is up to the buyer – but I’d imagine the busses are still worth more as busses than as scrap metal.

    You can see photos of busses being auctioned off here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zheistand/8675480393/in/photostream/

    A YouTube user has a few videos of busses being auctioned off from a few years ago – the video shows one listed with a starting bid of $1,340: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5GuVdG_f8s . That said, that’s a starting bid (a comment mentions them going for $3,000-5,000), and the buses in these videos are in pretty bad shape, being 16 years old and in all sorts of conditions.

    I’m sure you could email King County Auctions to get a few examples of what they’ve gone for more recently, if you really care.

  • Will Green April 30, 2013 (4:09 pm)

    Also, regarding the bus sales to other towns, that was Sound Transit. They sold 30 retired coaches to Ben Franklin Transit in the Tri-Cities area for $1 each. BFT is a small, small agency that had been running on coaches over 30 years old, but didn’t have the capital needed to replace them, so they negotiated a deal with Sound Transit when the time came to retire them.

    To give you an idea of how cash-strapped BFT is…they haven’t even repainted them. Just removed the Sound Transit logo.

    Details here: http://transitzac.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/new-buses-for-ben-franklin-transit/

  • nop April 30, 2013 (4:23 pm)

    L
    ess bus bubbles blocking cars is all I care about.

  • West Seattle Since 1979 April 30, 2013 (7:12 pm)

    Thanks for your answer Will, and also your links!

  • wsguy April 30, 2013 (10:03 pm)

    If when we are paying $1000 a year for MVET KCM will still Be coming back pleading poverty and saying they need $2000 year then coming back for more. When has any agency in King County ever managed their budget responsibly?

  • miws April 30, 2013 (10:31 pm)

    Will Green, thanks for your contributions to this comment thread.

    .

    Mike
    (A Bus Geek) ;-)

  • Rick May 1, 2013 (12:06 pm)

    The low cost of surplus busses is most likely due to the high cost of tires. I’ve bid on one of these but after finding out the cost of the tires,I bailed. The tires were usually leased, not sure about now.

  • WS Born & Bred May 1, 2013 (2:26 pm)

    You know it’s messed up when my coworkers who live in Auburn and Puyallup can get to work in Seattle on the rails as fast or faster than I can coming from West Seattle. When is the city going to take care of its own? Or do I need to move out of the city just so I can get in the city? And why should I have to move? I’ve lived here all my life.

    Can we pass some sort of legislation that requires condo/housing developers to have to contribute X amount of funding towards transit in that area before they can build MORE housing? Basically a way to help transit funding keep up with population increases?

  • NickN May 1, 2013 (9:54 pm)

    The city has cannibalized the previous neighborhood service to create the C line to serve the new megaprojects which don’t have parking and don’t pay mitigation fees.

    Basically the people who live here and pay taxes are getting their neighborhood service taken away combined with new steeper taxes You may recognize this theme from the viaduct replacement and the city funding of a privately owned Basketball Arena

    I’m now being told I should pay additional taxes for buses while the 22 is definitely cut. It seems clear it’s time to replace the politicians at the city, county and state level who aren’t looking after our interests but are happy to saddle us with the bills for serving other areas.

  • David Trotter May 2, 2013 (6:33 pm)

    I complained to both the County Executive and Joe McDermott, via staff, about the inappropriateness of Metro’s threats of “Give us the moenye, or else.

    Below are Michelle Allison’s misdirected response on behalf of Joe McDermott and my clam but pointed response to that crock.

    ———- ———- ———-
    Mr. Trotter –

    Anne mentioned you called yesterday and that you were interested in learning more about the process for the possible Metro service reductions. Metro has been briefing the City and County Council about the potential for a 17% service reduction. This potential reduction is a result of a $75m/year funding gap.

    The Congestion Reduction Charge (CRC), which was passed by the County Council last year, was a temporary 2 year $20 vehicle license charge that served as a stop gap for needed funds. The CRC is set to expire in 2014. If there are no additional funds available at that time, Metro will be forced to reduce its service by 17% or roughly 600,000 hours. Additional funding or mechanisms for funding must be approved by the state Legislature.

    The draft scenario Metro is presenting is in no way the final service reduction proposal. It is merely a representation of what the reductions would look like across the County. The specific route deletions or reductions would be made according to the service guidelines. As you may know, service changes are proposed by Metro, approved by the Executive and then finally altered and or approved by the County Council.

    If the County is not given a revenue tool, Metro will begin developing a proposal for service reductions. During the development of this plan, there will be significant public outreach to make sure residents are able to comment and engage in the process.

    I hope this clarifies your questions and concerns. Please let me know if I can help in any other way.

    Best,
    Michelle

    Michelle Allison
    Legislative Aide to
    King County Councilmember Joe McDermott, District 8
    206.296.1659

    ———-
    Michelle,

    First off, I did NOT express any interest in “learning more about the process for the possible Metro service reductions.” I I quite aware of the claimed process and called the County Executive and Mr. McDermott’s office specifically to COMPLAIN about Metro’s inappropriate bullying tactics and to express interest in giving Mr. McDermott additional concerns. I stated this quite clearly and precisely at the time, so if Anne told you otherwise, she outright lied.

    You state, “The draft scenario Metro is presenting is in no way the final service reduction proposal. It is merely a representation of what the reductions would look like across the County. . . As you may know, service changes are proposed by Metro, approved by the Executive and then finally altered and or approved by the County Council. . . During the development of this plan, there will be significant public outreach to make sure residents are able to comment and engage in the process.”

    We’ve heard this line before. However, the last time Metro had their “public outreach to make sure residents are able to comment and engage in the process” via their “forums”, the moment a citizen starting voicing concerns contrary to to proposed service cuts, the Metro employee invariably would turn away and start talking with somebody else, thus negating any citizen comment and input that contradicted what had already been decided. – This is a lie and a con game
    Also, it is always 17 per cent. Yet, after the CRC vote (victory for MNetro), the cuts still were made, regardless. This seems to be Metro’s SOP and standard operating figure, suggesting it’s not about funding or “potential” cuts but about already-decided ongoing cuts of 17 per cent.
    Metro’s SOP is increasingly to threaten the County Executive and the Council with cuts, use the public (via their economic well-being of being able or unable to get to work, appointments, etc) hostage, basically say, “Give our demands; give us the money, or else,” get the money, then make the cuts anyway.

    This is bullying of the County Executive and the County Council by one department within the county government, as well as a total abuse of the public, and it is absolutely unacceptable.

    This is the kind of thing that leads to protest from the general populace which makes the May Day protests look anemic.

    It also is the type of thing that gets council members such as Joe McDermott removed from office.

    Consider carefully.

    Sincerely,

    David W Trotter

  • Sam May 4, 2013 (8:31 am)

    You could trim some from this
    http://www.kingcounty.gov/jobs/benefits.aspx
    also in my opinion there needs to be an overhaul of hiring practices and work expectations from employees and especially Mngmt. The bus repair dept is a joke with graveyard shift workers sleeping in the seats.

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