Viaduct-less Wednesday: PM commute updates

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(Top L, north of 1st Av. S. Bridge; top R, 1st @ Holgate; below L, I-5 on south end of downtown; below R, 12th headed for bridge to Beacon Hill, where there’s alternate WS Bridge access)

The afternoon commute is under way. Updates to come!

4:22 PM UPDATE: Have been offline for a while – asked for a chance to visit Metro’s Transit Control Center to understand how the rerouting of buses works. They were just making a change in the West Seattle lines’ routing when we stepped in to look and listen for a bit (thanks to Metro’s Linda Thielke for accommodating our request). We also learned – they don’t get any more warning of trains or “trainbuilding” than the general public does. (Added – Ben B sent a photo of the train his Route 54 bus almost got stuck waiting for)

All they can do is see one coming, and a driver that sees one on the horizon can radio in and say “Is it OK if I divert to …” wherever. The TCC is in SODO. Four operators handle communication with up to 1,200 buses. More tidbits to come. Overall status right now seems to be … slow. On the way here an hour ago, we hit a backup on the eastbound bridge by 1st South. Off to rove.

4:32 PM UPDATE: Particularly if you have busing, walking, biking, Water Taxi’ing in your commute home – take note it’s started to rain. Light so far. We’ve been reminded that if 4th or 1st is slow going, try 6th heading south toward the 1st Avenue South Bridge, then cut over to 4th. We’re on 6th now, looks good.

5:01 PM UPDATE: Parked just off Hanford along the detour toward the low bridge, to see how this goes for a while. Train warning lights just came on. Couple buses will be stuck behind it, along with at least one bicycle, and the slow-going cars back on 1st. Wait – the warning lights went off without any train having come along. P.S. That earlier rain shower was isolated. Clearing to the west now, even a hint of sun.

5:06 PM UPDATE: The train showed up – went forward – backed up. Noticing a safety-jacketed officer standing by the tracks too. Now the train goes forward. Anyway, if you’re stuck on 1st South trying to get to the detour – that’s the problem. Two buses are waiting just on Hanford, who knows how many on 1st.

5:09 PM UPDATE: The gates went up – now they’re down again – now they’re up. Is it like this every afternoon? After a minute, open again. There goes the 55 and the 119 (Vashon), almost over the tracks. And … here comes that locomotive, all alone now going backward.

5:17 PM UPDATE: Twice more in less than two minutes, the gates are down again for that train-building. Seems to be pulling tanker cars backward, northbound. *Happened twice again a few minutes later. And at 5:28, there go the 37, 125 and 116. We learned from Metro during our aforementioned Traffic Control Center visit how they are deploying the extra buses, which are paid for with “viaduct mitigation money” from the state – they are under express orders NOT to stay in the yard. Some for example might be seen waiting at strategic spots in West Seattle. When they get word that a certain route is badly delayed, the extra bus might be moved onto the route to start picking up where the other one won’t be getting to any time soon. Also, some buses that are going out of service might be suddenly told they need to go jump in for route xx.

5:34 PM UPDATE: This one is a different train – looks like a fullfledged freight train, hauling the doublestacked containers. The 113 to Shorewood is stuck behind it. Let’s check the other travel routes … High bridge looks better than low bridge, for starters. 4th looks better than 1st. *After 7 minutes, the train has now passed and traffic is moving westward down Hanford again. We’re going to move on … if we can!

5:53 PM UPDATE: The same double-stack train is “train-building” too and just stopped on the tracks for at least five minutes. Elsewhere in downtown, Shari warns via Facebook of “horrible” traffic – “gridlock.” If you’re going to head down 1st or 4th, go for the 1st Avenue South Bridge, don’t even think of the Hanford detour. It’s been train after train after train. Public-service announcement, though – consider turning your engine off while waiting on a train that clearly isn’t close to being clear. Even if you only turn off for a minute, we’ve heard, it helps.

6:04 PM UPDATE: This is interesting. Three buses just made a run for it up to the head of the line and turned left on the frontage road parallel with the trains, southbound. We did learn at the Transit Control Center that they have to make decisions on the fly.

6:20 PM UPDATE: Broke free after another train … and then suddenly the backup was clear, and it was a really fast trip to 1st Avenue South Bridge, off at the turnoff for South Park/Highland Park, up the hill and on toward HQ.

72 Replies to "Viaduct-less Wednesday: PM commute updates"

  • Travis October 26, 2011 (3:54 pm)

    Have had to wait 20min+ two times for trains at Hanford street today. Just sitting and watching the same train move forward and backward.

  • Soosan October 26, 2011 (4:10 pm)

    Is it me, or did Metro not bother to update their Trip Planner? It keeps sending me to closed bus stops as I try to figure out how
    to get home. One Bus Away, I expected it might not be updated. But Trip Planner? I hope I’m misreading it.

  • ML October 26, 2011 (4:17 pm)

    Started hitting back up on the West Seattle Bridge exit on I5 at 3:00.

  • Bev October 26, 2011 (4:30 pm)

    That trip planner hasn’t been updated since 1999. Good luck with that.

  • a neighbor October 26, 2011 (4:36 pm)

    On high bridge @ 4:30. Semi truck using bus lane. People still driving in lane for 99 entrance. Stop and go traffic.

  • jordan October 26, 2011 (4:51 pm)

    How is it possible that metro does not receive notice or warning of upcoming trains or “train building”? You would think that transit lines would speak to each other, especially during crazy traffic times such as these…. Unbelieveable

  • asteria October 26, 2011 (4:56 pm)

    Every time I’ve taken the water taxi it is right on schedule. So nice compared to the 54, which I sometimes wonder if I missed it or not – even before the viaduct closure it’s been running consistently late in the morning.

    I’ve been getting a ride from my vacationing sweetie to catch the water taxi this week, but would like to start taking the shuttle/water taxi on a regular basis – does anyone know if the shuttle from California Junction to Seacrest ever gets delayed by traffic on Avalon?

  • Ben October 26, 2011 (5:01 pm)

    Now that there’s a bus lane on Avalon northbound, the shuttle shouldn’t get stuck on it’s way to the dock.

  • JEM October 26, 2011 (5:05 pm)

    Riders of the 21 and other 1st Ave South routes are very used to the train mess. Yep, it does suck! I swear BNSF does it on purpose. Oh, it’s 5:10? Let’s build a train and mess with commuters! Most bus drivers will automatically detour if they see Hanford backed up and either go to Dawson and back to Spokane, or all the way to 1st South Bridge and up West Marginal. I can’t wait for that WS bridge on-ramp to get finished!

  • Jasperblu October 26, 2011 (5:07 pm)

    5:05pm leaving Pioneer Square now. On 1st Ave. & King. We’re barely crawling. Yay.

  • Diane October 26, 2011 (5:29 pm)

    I’m heading out to urban design event on CapHill, 11th & Pike; how is it going east? should I take 4th up to Madison, or I-5?

    • WSB October 26, 2011 (5:41 pm)

      Diane, I wouldn’t get on I-5 in any circumstance in any rush hour unless I had no other choice… 4th looks better than 1st on the cameras. High bridge looks better than low bridge.

  • Joan October 26, 2011 (5:33 pm)

    I left Pioneer Square at 3:30pm and 1st Ave S was all backed up. I switched to 4th and it was fine. Slow but kept moving. I usually commute home down West Marginal and yes, that train building is fairly regular activity. I really wish Metro would get their act together with evening buses headed to West Seattle. I gave up on the bus a year and a half ago after waiting 1 1/2 hours downtown for a bus after 7pm.

  • Gdd October 26, 2011 (5:35 pm)

    Cyclists, wear glasses if you have them. The high winds are kicking up all sorts of concrete dust and water is only being sprayed to mitigate in a few spots.

  • nizzle October 26, 2011 (5:40 pm)

    @asteria: started taking the water taxi a month ago. shuttle never missed a sailing and only one time a close call. the taxi is on a strict schedule .

  • Diane October 26, 2011 (5:42 pm)

    thanks; really appreciate; here goes

  • ellenater October 26, 2011 (5:44 pm)

    The 5:00 updates read like and episode of Thomas the Tank Engine.

    • WSB October 26, 2011 (5:52 pm)

      Sorry, El, I am realizing this is sort of a chronicle all its own. This will be a moot point in a few months when the new 1st Avenue South onramp opens, and there’s also a component of the new 99 that eventually will go up and over the tracks, but for now, this is really insane. I hope I can get out of this lot in a few and get back to 4th to head toward the 1st Avenue South Bridge …

  • why_cause October 26, 2011 (5:44 pm)

    So much for limiting the trains during evening rush hours like they said they would.

  • bolo October 26, 2011 (5:52 pm)

    Notes from our bicycle commute home:
    1) Saw bus 120 westbound over the low bridge 4:20pm, the accordeon double bus had max 5 passengers! How could that be?
    2) Motorcycle cop stationed on the bikeway at the west end of the low bridge. Writing tickets to unhelmeted bicyclists. Wear a helmet or ticket!
    3) To the woman honking her new black volvo: I happened to be halfway thru the unmarked intersection in front of the YMCA as you were still approaching it, honking as if I had infringed on your right-of-way. Sorry! I must not have realized that you thought I had a stopsign?

  • K October 26, 2011 (6:08 pm)

    Backroads gridlocked, took 1 hour to get from Capital Hill over Beacon Hill to bridge.

  • kirsten October 26, 2011 (6:09 pm)

    Stuck on the 54 because the lower bridge is up. Curses!!

  • asteria October 26, 2011 (6:14 pm)

    @Ben and nizzle – thanks for the info! I’m going to school at North Seattle CC for their business AA and taking the bus has really been wearing on me lately. I’d rather look at sea lions than the traffic crawl on the bridge. :)

  • Stacy October 26, 2011 (6:15 pm)

    I’m sitting here at work at 6:14pm wondering if it’s safe to leave! Sounds like things are horrible. DRATS!

  • Add October 26, 2011 (6:16 pm)

    So from downtown is it better to brave I5 to the high bridge to stay out of the train stuff? I got stuck with that last night too. Leaving now and not sure of best route..,

  • Barb October 26, 2011 (6:19 pm)

    BNSF and other railroads have complete authority and practically act as their own sovereignty. They could care less about your commute. Just reality.

  • JA October 26, 2011 (6:32 pm)

    Rather than sit and wait at the nightmare backup that can occur at 1st and Hanford, you might try this route from downtown:
    Continue south on 1st, take a right at Hudson, take another right at East Marginal, continue north and take the slight right (your only option with the viaduct closed), follow the jog to the left and take a left at the stoplight and viola you have arrived at the low bridge.
    And please- play nice out on the road. We are all in this together.

  • johnnyblegs October 26, 2011 (6:36 pm)

    Follow the bus detour around the train. That’s what metro has been doing all week. Everything is peachy until the lower bridge goes up, which it did tonight.

  • MaryCooks October 26, 2011 (6:38 pm)

    Instead of 70 minutes today it took me about 55 from Kirkland. 405 to 520 to I-5 to Airport Way S to Lucille to East Marginal Way to 1st Ave Bridge. Then Highland Park Way and made my way over to Delridge. Whew!

  • TA October 26, 2011 (6:56 pm)

    Check out the link in the Seattle Times for a time lapse of the bike commute experience. Particularly notice where he slows it down and points out the location at the east end of the low bridge where many many cyclists decide to “go for it” and cross at an angle instead of going under the bridge. This is where the jogger was run over.
    http://today.seattletimes.com/2011/10/time-lapse-bicycle-commute-from-west-seattle/

    The lazy cops writing tickets for lacking a helmet (WTF!!!) should have been standing there instead.

  • Mike October 26, 2011 (7:07 pm)

    Interesting to hear people complain about the trains. I thought everyone knew that the railroads have nothing but contempt for other users of the transportation grid. They are exempt from all local regulation, so don’t bother complaining about City or County inaction.

  • metrognome October 26, 2011 (7:11 pm)

    johnnyblegs — just a small point … the bridge goes sideways, not up, which is why it takes so long to open and close … esp. that last few feet. It is a marvel of engineering but should never have been installed there.
    “Completed in 1991, it is the world’s first and only hydraulically-operated concrete double-leaf swing bridge. Each of the bridge’s 480 foot leaves weigh 7500 tons.

    “The Southwest Spokane Street Swing Bridge is the last in a series of bridges that has spanned the Duwamish River. The bridge’s predecessor did not provide commercial boat traffic adequate room to maneuver past the bridge. By constructing a swing bridge, the City of Seattle widened the channel for boat traffic, while also cutting operating and construction costs.”

    just think how much of that saved money it has cost in wasted time in the past 20 years.

  • RenaissanceRed October 26, 2011 (7:31 pm)

    I have found at least 3 different ways to get back into WS. If one is looking clogged, I try another.

    Fellow drivers have been very courteous…a relief all around.

    Drive safe y’all.

  • Seattlite October 26, 2011 (7:31 pm)

    Worked at Greenlake today. My viaduct commute from WS to Greenlake used to be approx 15 minutes during non-peak day hours. Today leaving my home at 11:45a it took me approx 45 min — took 4th Ave Exit, continued on 4th through downtown, took a right on Battery and then hooked onto Aurora. Going home at 2:30pm, I took I5 south. Traffic was bumper to bumper and the speed limit never went over 25 mph, commute time was approx 50 min back to WS.

  • Admiral Janeway October 26, 2011 (7:33 pm)

    The worst evening commute so far. Boarded the 56 express at 6:30. Arrived at California & Admiral at 7:15. Biggest delay was train crossing on Lander St.

  • melanie October 26, 2011 (7:35 pm)

    agreed jordan, UNBELIEVABLE! Seattle transportation system is substandard. I wont be riding again, they want us to ride they should think of things like trains on the route.

  • elisabeth October 26, 2011 (7:38 pm)

    From S. Lake Union, 5th Ave south through downtown, onto 4th Ave at Yesler, 4th south to Spokane under the high bridge, LEFT on Spokane, up to Columbia Way… Turned around somewhere up there, cruised back down and over the Spokane Street viaduct and high bridge. About 40 minutes.

  • suzi October 26, 2011 (7:43 pm)

    A bit out of the way, but I left work around 5:20 and this scenic, low stress route took exactly 38 minutes to get to the WS Bridge…
    Denny (only bad part) over C Hill to 15th,down Madison, right onto Lk WA Blvd, enjoy the view for a bit, keep going past Leschi, right on Lake park dr, right on McClellan, cross Rainier Ave, left on 23rd, right on Columbia which drops you right on to the bridge! :)

  • Valerie October 26, 2011 (7:44 pm)

    This evening was better than last – I caught the 133 at UW Medical Center at 5:15, and was home before 6:00 (down I-5 and through Georgetown). Last night I got home about the same time – but I had left 1/2 hour earlier! I wondered where everyone was, too, because the articulated bus was only about half full tonight, whereas last night it was SRO & packed. [puzzle puzzle puzzle…] Oh, well. It’s only two more work days.

  • shed22 October 26, 2011 (8:05 pm)

    I am so pleased you published the issues with the rail traffic. Unless I am missing something (which is very possible), they close the viaduct, re-route Alaskan to 1st Ave, while closing 1st and 4th ave on-ramps to the bridge and detour us past the rail tracks while allowing trains to run DURING evening rush hour. This is a problem that is completely ignored by SDOT. Whoever planned this plan needs to FIRED!! (Tarred, feathered, and quartered, if we were living in a different time!)

  • sd October 26, 2011 (8:10 pm)

    Just came back from downtown. Got onto I-5 south at Spring Street around 7:30 PM and saw that it was backed up, so got off on Dearborn and went up and over Beacon Hill instead. No problems with that route but the onramp to the West Seattle bridge still had a huge lineup from what I could see. I was surprised to see a 5 PM type backup this late so wanted to warn others.

  • cjl October 26, 2011 (8:11 pm)

    I hate those effing trains!!! This city really doesn’t care about the traffic woes of seattlites. If they did, they would do something. I really don’t have faith in our transportation system at this point.

  • coffee October 26, 2011 (8:28 pm)

    Completely HATE BNSF. Perhaps everyone should call the local offices and complain. Letters emails, etc. Complete disregard to train build at rush hour and during major construction is not being a good corporate company.

  • bebecat October 26, 2011 (8:32 pm)

    @cjl The city, county and state want you out of your car and will make the drive as miserable as possible. They want you on public transportation for revenue.

  • ws1 October 26, 2011 (8:32 pm)

    If the trains actually ran, that would be one thing. So often THEY JUST SIT THERE. Someone should be fired for this!! Then, just when you clear the tracks, we have to sit while the lower level bridge closes to traffic during rush hour. West Seattle is the only place in the city that has to endure this abuse!

  • Mack October 26, 2011 (8:33 pm)

    Some people are incorrectly calling Columbian Way, Columbia St.
    To avoid any confusion, Columbian Way goes down Beacon Hill. Whereas, Columbia Street is in downtown, where the Columbia Center is.

  • Bob Loblaw October 26, 2011 (8:36 pm)

    Tried a different route tonight after picking up my passengers downtown. Went from 2nd & Madison up to South I-5 onto the WS Bridge and made it home in a half hour. Our usual route is via 1st Avenue, the train stop, and the low bridge.
    .
    I mention this only because TR recommended never to take I-5 in rush hour. I generally agree. But this week, after seeing PM SoDo traffic reports begin to get worse yesterday, I wanted to experiment. I think our route home was faster tonight than most. And certainly, once we reached the bridge, it was smooth sailing.
    .
    I am very thankful for Tracy and crew staking out the train situation and delivering a first-hand report about something many of us deal with every night. I could sense that she now knows our frustration. The new First Avenue onramp cannot come soon enough!

    • WSB October 26, 2011 (9:30 pm)

      Boblob – Glad I-5 worked out. That, I suppose, must be a caveat to any traffic report, whether it’s me sitting in the car or one of the TV anchors standing in front of a million monitors – conditions can and do change. I-5 south was crawling when I arrived to check out the Metro control center – Linda even pointed it out to me off in the distance – and didn’t look any better later, but given what was happening on the streets, it may well have wound up being better. I think this afternoon’s win would have been the water taxi, because no cars can stop it!

  • sj2 October 26, 2011 (8:38 pm)

    WOW! I have heard people complain about those trains but never completely understood it until today. Traffic was completely backed up along 4th, trying to turn to follow the detour towards West Seattle, and those f+(#$& trains kept moving back and forth. I heard the complaints earlier, so waited to leave the office until 6:30 thinking they would be done by then. Nope… I think they are doing it for fun.

  • bebecat October 26, 2011 (8:40 pm)

    Before the new bridge was built West Seattle was not the desirable high end neighborhood it is today. There were trains and draw bridges that made the commute less desirable and real estate cheap. We use to get out of the car and watch the ships go through while my dad would smoke a cigarette. Oh to have the 50’s and 60’s back again 10 mins from south lake union to Pigeon Hill

  • Mark October 26, 2011 (8:48 pm)

    Want to tell Burlington Northern your not happy? Switch from Geico. Let’s make West Seattle Geico free…..

  • datamuse October 26, 2011 (8:51 pm)

    Uh, shed22, “allowing” trains to run during rush hour? How exactly do you suggest SDOT stop them?

  • JTM October 26, 2011 (9:23 pm)

    I thought the Port was supposed to be working with the the trains this week to avoid/alleviate this type of nonsense. The trains are causing some of the biggest traffic problems this week and should not be allowed to pause on the tracks during rush hour!

  • emptypockets October 26, 2011 (9:33 pm)

    Get used to it. With the new tunnel and tolls most working class folk are going have to use the same routes to avoid the tolls. At peak hours we are looking at $15 round trip, around 400 a month to get to work. Roads for the rich. Instead of lucky for life the WA lottery should promote tolls for life.

    • WSB October 26, 2011 (10:05 pm)

      Correction to Emptypockets … No, “we” are not looking at $15 round-trip tolls. For one, even if you have no faith in government, they know very well that if the tolls are too high, there will be little usage and they won’t raise the money the tolls are supposed to raise. For two, it’s been discussed up to maybe about half that, though even that sum, it’s been acknowledged, would be potentially dissuasive. We and many others reported in January 2010 on the study that suggested $3.50 or so, one way at peak times: https://westseattleblog.com/2010/01/more-new-alaskan-way-viaduct-info-tunnel-tolls-up-to-3-50

  • Mike October 26, 2011 (9:48 pm)

    Again, the City and County have NO control over the railroads. BNSF is exempt from any local regulation of any kind. The City has very little leverage in dealing with any railroad. And, there is no guaranteed predictability to railroad activities, i.e., when they will be blocking intersections. The Port is a party to this mess, since it is T-5 that generates the very long container trains.

  • SJ2 October 26, 2011 (9:52 pm)

    Mark – How are Geico and Burlington Northern associated? I have Geico insurance, and am very curious. I would consider switching for the right reason(s).

  • Yo October 26, 2011 (10:24 pm)

    SJ2-

    Both Geico and BNSF are subsidiaries of Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway. I think that’s the connection Mark was making.

  • shed22 October 26, 2011 (10:28 pm)

    Uh, datamuse: I thought SDOT was to work with the railways to limit the train activity during rush hour to accommodate the reduced accessibility to West Seattle during the viaduct shutdown. Uh!

    And, if not, they should. That is just good planning.

  • add October 26, 2011 (10:43 pm)

    @JA – thanks so much for the tip to go up 1st Ave to Hudson street and circle back to the low bridge. I passed by the backed-up Hanford and it was a breeze!! So it *only* ended up taking me 45 minutes to get from 5th & Pike to Avalon Way, leaving at 6:30p.

  • JN October 26, 2011 (10:43 pm)

    The trains are running because they are bringing goods into and out of the Port. They are a necessity to the functioning of the Port and city, and to complain about them is selfish and ignorant. They don’t move from the tracks, so it’s not like it should be a surprise. And btw, the city is building an overpass of the rails that should be opening soon, so all of this whining will be a moot point soon enough.

  • datamuse October 26, 2011 (10:45 pm)

    Yeah, but shed22, “working with” is really a pretty far cry from having the power or authority to allow or disallow them. IME, a train pretty much goes when it wants to, as several other comments here have pointed out.
    .
    I agree it sucks, but there are a bunch of rail lines between West Seattle and downtown, and without the viaduct there really isn’t any getting around them.

  • metrognome October 26, 2011 (11:04 pm)

    shed22 — no one ‘works with’ the railroads, unless ‘works with’ means you get down on your hands and knees and say ‘pretty please with sugar on top’ and then hope that they even acknowledge your presence. Federal statutes and case law going back well over a century establish their supremacy. If Star Wars were rewritten with railroads as the villian, the Force wouldn’t stand a chance.
    Burlington Northern Santa Fe is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway (owned by Warren Buffett); GEICO is also a subsidiary of BH.
    there is also a limit on the amount to be raised by tolls; presumably, once that limit is reached, the tolls will be removed. That’s what happened with the tolls used to finance the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge. A whole 10 cents. Eastbound only as I recall.

  • Dunno October 26, 2011 (11:35 pm)

    45 min WS to Seattle Center. Took Spokane to 4th ave, Forest to Airport Way, Left on King, right onto 4th, right at Yesler, Left on Boren, Left onto Madison, right at Convention Center bypass, left onto Pine?, back under Convention Center, right onto Spring, right onto 6th ave, right at Olive, Left onto 7th, Across Westlake, left just bfore Denny, right on 4th, left onto Denny, right onto Broad, left at Thomas. May have left out a couple turns, but it worked really well, give it a try…LOL

  • Dunno October 26, 2011 (11:43 pm)

    BTW, Sounded like New York city, never heard knew there were so many different horns. Like that will make the traffic move!

  • metrognome October 27, 2011 (12:56 am)

    my bad — the original 520 bridge toll was 35 cents, each way, from mid-1963 to mid-1979. Equivalent toll today: $2.50.

  • Smitty October 27, 2011 (5:56 am)

    Work you way up to Beacon hill, onto 15th then to Columbian Way for the evening commute.

    Or, call in sick since Friday should be easy breezy.

  • JTM October 27, 2011 (7:06 am)

    @JN: Oh really? I had no idea what trains do, thanks for your helpful reply. I’m not suggesting rail traffic stop (not ignorant or selfish, but thanks for implying!), just that they hold off for an hour or so when 90,000 people are trying to get home.

  • A October 27, 2011 (7:29 am)

    The back and forth train issue has been happening forever. The garbage trains in the mornings at ~Lander & 3rd are the most frustrating to get caught behind. They can be 20-30 minutes or more as they go forward, back, forward, back.
    .
    I just want to give a major shout-out to the SPD for putting officers along Hanford at the side street intersections as well as directing the semis in and out of the BNSF lot. It made a HUGE difference in the frustration level I’ve experienced the last few months. There was an enormous problem with bully-style driving from both the cars and the semis in that area. The traffic cops eliminated that completely. THANK YOU SPD!!

  • jno October 27, 2011 (9:11 am)

    To Mike, JN, datamuse and everyone else dismissing concerns with the trains: I understand BNSF has the authority to do pretty much as they please. HOWEVER. The 1st Ave S on-ramp to Spokane would have been done in time according to the original schedule and rendered the situation moot. The state knew at least four and half months ago that they were six months ahead of schedule. The city could have accelerated the on-ramp work and/or lobbied the state to hold off demolition, neither of which happened. So BNSF screws us all and Metro can’t do much about it (to their credit, it seems like they are really trying), but SDOT and WSDOT most certainly should be held accountable for the SNAFU.

  • JN October 27, 2011 (9:31 pm)

    Yeah, that was really pretty lame of them not to get that rail overpass done. Thankfully as soon as it gets done we won’t have to deal with this train stuff anymore. However, trains do have to be kept to a strict time schedule. I do dismiss concerns regarding their activities because to ask them to hold off for an hour or so would disrupt the entire rail system in the region. Other trains can’t divert onto some other rails because there often is no other option, and they run on a strict time schedule. BNSF is not screwing anyone: they have an absolute need to be able to run their trains at a specific time every single day or else the whole system suffers a ripple effect of delayed or re-routed trains.

  • emptypockets October 27, 2011 (10:05 pm)

    Ok even at 3.50 one way 7.00 round trip, at 5 working days a week to average 21 working days a month, that makes 147.00 a month. That is equivalent to a cable and phone bill. That makes 1764.00 a year, half my property taxes. How is that not excessive?

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