Medical marijuana: 2 West Seattle signs the industry’s undaunted

Two signs seen along 35th SW in West Seattle on Tuesday are the latest proof that despite the legislative turmoil in Olympia, and local authorities’ words of warning, the medical-marijuana industry is moving ahead undaunted.

First, we’ve never seen signs like the one above, promoting medical-marijuana cards (aka licenses/prescriptions), but we spotted several along north-central 35th SW while checking on Tuesday morning traffic backups. We called and Googled the phone number, and both pointed to Pacific Medical Labs, based in Gig Harbor. We left voicemail asking for comment, but no callback.

On the south stretch of 35th, another sign – unrelated to the one above, so far as we know – for the new medical-marijuana business we first told you about in April:

(This photo and others below: By Deanie Schwarz for WSB)
Before the sign went up, the WSB contributor who broke the news of Northwest Patient Resource Center‘s move into the ex-Payday Loans spot at 35th and Roxbury had checked in with its proprietors for a followup:

By Deanie Schwarz
Reporting for West Seattle Blog

In the weeks since the State Legislature’s special session concluded without passage of new legislation to clarify medical-marijuana law, the Northwest Patient Resource Center (NWPRC) has continued forging ahead with its West Seattle plan, despite the impending law change next month, when legislation that did pass takes effect.

We toured the facility and talked there with owner John Davis and partner Anthony Lilly. about both their business and the uncertainty of the regulatory situation.

They are awaiting the installation of their “point of sale” system, and expect to open within a few weeks. But then what, given the legislative/legal climate? They explain what they call a different model:

For starters – King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg has said that the previous “gray area” is now gone and the care-provider model many dispensaries are currently using will be illegal. Seattle City Attorney Peter Holmes has said the “legal landscape for medical marijuana is more confused…forcing local governments to go it alone,” while saying he will work with agencies and the Mayor and Council “to allow authorized patients access to their medical cannabis without compromising safety. “

“There is vagary in the law,” John Davis says, “and a lot of people set up dispensaries using what is called the caregiver provision. I have never used the caregiver provision and that is what Dan Satterberg … is talking about. For example, currently, you come to the counter and I am your caregiver for however long it takes to do this transaction. I would be legal to the current law. The new law says you can only do that for one person every 15 days. What Satterberg is saying is to those who are set up like caregivers, they will be clearly illegal because transactions of providing will be allowed only once every 15 days.

“NWPRC is what is called a patient-to-patient cooperative. We are all patients. There is no one who works here who is not. So there are no caregivers. It is one of the only really black and white areas of the law. I am a patient; I may possess. He’s a patient, he may possess. And he may trade with me or he may compensate me.”

Davis has built two previous dispensaries in Georgetown and Rainier Valley and has a deep construction background. He told WSB he learned a lot of lessons in those projects. The first, and most expensive, is to invest in multiple security systems which will, according to Davis, make this the most secure medical marijuana facility in Western Washington. Though he did the work himself, the costs exceed $50,000 for the bulletproof windows and walls, a bank-standard safe, an extensive series of exterior and interior cameras, and a secured passageway known as a “man trap.”

“I have learned that one of the things the police like to see in medical marijuana facilities is good security. All of this security is, in part, because I know it will make the police comfortable. They don’t want to be put into a situation on a call where guns are going to be used in attempted robberies. They can look at us and know these guys are ok on their own.“

When asked if the assorted dispensaries around the city or region have, absent state guidelines, ever attempted to affiliate and establish a “professional group” or, some kind of “standards and best practices,“ he replied, “I actually have a slightly different take on it, because I am chairman of the board of Seattle Events, a nonprofit corporation which primarily produces Seattle Hempfest and events related to cannabis activism. I try to get community people to agree on standards and everyone has different expectations and those people, for the smallest of reasons, will decide they don’t like this very narrow piece and they are out and don’t want to be a part of it. So the only thing you can really do is hold your own organization to the highest standards. And we have some standards that are on the web for dispensaries and all people to use. It is a set of best practices that we intend to use. Now, I can’t force anyone to use my practices or use security precautions.”

Asked whether he had any direct feedback from the legislators in Olympia about bringing back legislation for the next session, Davis said that, according to his sources, the issue is not dead. Davis said that State Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles has said publicly she intends to have a “fixer” bill next session. He also said State Rep. Roger Goodman put out an alternative bill to Kohl-Welles’ bill and is certain that Goodman is going to want to keep his verbiage “which I read and answers a lot of questions. I know Jeanne is working with the best of intentions and feels badly about what went down.”

In closing, we wondered what if the facility is forced to close by law enforcement, what would they do and he replied, “Of course, we will switch our use. We have an opt-out clause in the lease for the worst-case scenario, if Pete Holmes wants to shut down all of the dispensaries; but I don’t think that is very likely. We will look at and [abide by] the laws. There are other things that can be done and other things the space can be used for. “

“The laws are dynamic and they are changing,” he continues, “ The only constant in my industry is change. Counter sales will eventually come back and patient cooperatives will come back. I think this will probably happen in the next legislative cycle. So all we would have to do, if we are shut down, is keep alive until we would be allowed to open again as a patient-to-patient center.”

(For more on Davis’s plans for the 35th/Roxbury site, here’s our April followup, two days after the first report.)

70 Replies to "Medical marijuana: 2 West Seattle signs the industry's undaunted"

  • w.s. maverick June 8, 2011 (6:27 am)


  • monroe1200 June 8, 2011 (7:14 am)

    Welcome to West Seattle! Glad to have you as a neighbor.

  • ConservativeChristian June 8, 2011 (7:59 am)

    Jesus said to do unto others as we would have them to do unto us. None of us would want our child thrown in jail with the sexual predators over marijuana. None of us would want to see an older family member’s home confiscated and sold by the police for growing a couple of marijuana plants for their aches and pains. It’s time to stop putting our own family members in jail over marijuana.
    Next step: How about $100 for a permit to grow a dozen plants? We can use the money for our schools, and it will put the drug gangs out of business for good!

  • John June 8, 2011 (8:03 am)

    finally, a sensible approach.

  • 420 Believer June 8, 2011 (8:05 am)

    I lived in Seattle for 21 years, and moved to Oregon 14 years ago. I am happy to see that Seattle is finally starting to get progressive, and show that the government and insurance companies are no longer able to control patient comfort. I live for the day when we can take care of our own pain, instead of having someone else tell us how much we hurt.

  • cherylc June 8, 2011 (8:31 am)

    Those signs are all over Gig Harbor. We were startled when we first saw them, too.

  • furor scribendi June 8, 2011 (9:07 am)

    Pandering for an illegal activity? Those signs should be pulled out, now.

    This reminds me of the laetril (sp?)fad of the 1970’s, where signs cropped up promising sufferers relief everything from cancer to MS. Then as now, these ‘green’ pushers will relieve people only of their greenbacks. Close them down, now!

  • GiveMeLiberty June 8, 2011 (9:15 am)

    I agree with furor scribendi….our governor and our government say this is illegal and the signs go up anyway. Says alot about this industry, doesn’t it? Why don’t they just put up signs saying “up yours” instead.

  • CandrewB June 8, 2011 (9:34 am)

    They should put up signs saying “Up yours”. Sensible disobedience at its finest.

  • foy boy June 8, 2011 (9:46 am)

    If this is truely a helpful drug then why has the fda not steped in? And if this is a drug for patients then why is it not sold at riteaid? What if we sold all drugs this way? Get rid of the controls. Just go into a doctor complain about pain and pay 150 bucks get a card and wala buy what ever drugs you want.

  • Lura June 8, 2011 (10:03 am)

    I may not be folly up to date on what is and isn’t legal about marijuana, but I know for a FACT that it is illegal for ANY business (or non-profit) to spread their signs all over the place. Pay for a legal advertisement, just like other businesses have to.,

  • CandrewB June 8, 2011 (10:10 am)

    Your answer is in here foy boy, but it takes a little reading between the lines.

  • k2 June 8, 2011 (11:03 am)

    It’s great to see someone with community ties, networking skills and attention to detail putting the rubber to the road.

    Let’s legalize, tax, regulate, and dispense it…


  • DP June 8, 2011 (11:25 am)

    In addition to whatever pain-killing properties it may have, marijuana is a psychologically and physically addictive drug and should therefore be regulated accordingly. It should made available only through pharmacies and NOT through one-drug “dispensaries.”
    In the case of the dispensary described in the story above, what are the qualifications of the two partners to handle and sell medications? They certainly don’t have any that a pharmacy board would recognize.
    According to the story: “Davis has built two previous dispensaries in Georgetown and Rainier Valley and has a deep construction background.”
    —Deep construction background!? So?
    Oh, and they’re both marijuana “patients” (read: users), too.
    I see that Davis considers himself a cannabis activist and is on the board of a group that produces “Hempfest” — an annual event that promotes full legalization.
    Hm. Besides cannabis, can you name me any other prescription drug where you can get a license to distribute it based on being a user/promoter of the drug and having a background in construction?
    Look, I’m not faulting Davis or Lilly for their personal enthusiasm about pot. Nor am I debating marijuana’s medicinal properties one way or the other. All I’m saying is that this current way of dealing with medical marijuana is all wrong; it’s ripe for abuse. If marijuana is a legitimate drug, it should be handled by pharmacies, just like other drugs. This is one of the reasons Chris Gregoire gave for vetoing the dispensary bill, and I agree with her.

  • CandrewB June 8, 2011 (11:31 am)

    “marijuana is a psychologically and physically addictive drug”

    “Physically” is categorically false. As for “psychologically,” who cares? Shopping can be psychologically addictive too. Why don’t we create a new military-judicial complex to protect the weak minded from themselves for that too.

  • thedarby June 8, 2011 (11:35 am)

    @DP I suggest you take a look at you will re-educated. ONLY those who refuse knowledge will not read it.

  • wash-voter June 8, 2011 (12:32 pm)

    Man has been using this plant since we harnessed the use of fire. I don’t need the FDA or any other acronym agency telling me they need to approve (5 thousand years without a single overdose works for me). A plant is not a narcotic. Many plants make us feel different ways and I am OK with you using any of them as you see fit. It does not threaten me or my property, or me getting to and from my property if you use any of gods gifts. I cannot afford to jail everyone who acts differently from me. Nor would I want to.
    But then I’m not a control freak (oh lock up one of my neighbors kids so the other kid doesn’t see someone enjoying life, oh pee test all the poor people who need a little help now and then, don’t test the rich people though why would they do drugs when they have all the power and money?).

  • maplesyrup June 8, 2011 (12:36 pm)

    Sort of strange how someone with a nickname “GiveMeLiberty” is against this.

    For me it’s exactly that- an issue of liberty and I am glad these guys are practicing civil disobedience.

  • furor scribendi June 8, 2011 (12:42 pm)

    Darby, thedarby, others: Who cares? We do, as a society and as individuals, and the law reflects it. No one needs another physically and psychologically addicting substance legalized, anywhere. Please take your illegal special-interest drug and your misleading propaganda elsewhere.

  • maplesyrup June 8, 2011 (12:44 pm)

    Who are you to say what should and should not be legal, furor scribendi? Why are you qualified to make decisions for the rest of the populace?

  • Been There June 8, 2011 (2:20 pm)

    I am personally going to yank all your effing’ signs that have littered WS streets & planting strips and deposit them on your storefront doorstep:(

  • GiveMeLiberty June 8, 2011 (2:44 pm)

    mayplesyrup…”give me liberty” doesn’t mean let me do whatever the h*ll I want to do. We are (or were last time I checked) a nation of laws and the law says selling medical marijuana is illegal!!

  • bigjimbob June 8, 2011 (2:48 pm)

    NO YOU WILL NOT! Been There.

  • bigjimbob June 8, 2011 (2:51 pm)

    GiveMeLiberty Thats why we voted for it.

  • maplesyrup June 8, 2011 (3:00 pm)

    The people in this area want medical marijuana to be legal, GiveMeLiberty. We voted on it a long time ago. And we’re not the only state in this region or in this country that thinks that way. But the federal government is trying to enforce something against our will. So do you really want liberty or is that just something that sounds neat when it fits with your preferences?

  • MB June 8, 2011 (3:08 pm)

    Who’s doorstep, been there? Pretty sure the story said the signs aren’t from the folks at this dispensary…sounds like you may need to hop a ferry to return them to their proper owner. The signs are trashy and should come down, but let’s actually read the whole story and not place blame on the wrong people.

  • MB June 8, 2011 (3:09 pm)

    Amen, Maplesyrup ;)

  • GiveMeLiberty June 8, 2011 (3:17 pm)

    Mayplesyrup, you’re comments are not worth responding to anymore. Seattle is extremely liberal so what you want you’ll get and forget about the law! Am leaving this sad city soon and it won’t come soon enough. I hope this all comes back to bite you in the butt.

  • maplesyrup June 8, 2011 (3:38 pm)

    I wish you no ill will, GiveMeLiberty. Let’s try another way. How do you think the Feds forcing a law on states is representative of liberty? And I’m not talking about just the ultra-liberal city of Seattle, I’m talking about Washington state, Colorado, Montana, Oregon and many others.

    And for the record, I’m not even ultra-liberal and I don’t smoke pot (or drink). I just don’t see why my- or your- preferences need to be forced on others. Live and let live, and let’s save all of the wasted money and resources dedicated to the drug war while we’re at it.

  • Niner June 8, 2011 (4:27 pm)

    Someone please tell me how legal marijuana would be worse than our other legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco, both of which are physically and psychologically addictive…?

  • sarelly June 8, 2011 (4:33 pm)

    Why has marijuana been illegal for so long? What’s the history of that decision? Is marijuana viewed as a problem because the tobacco industry doesn’t want the competition? Because it’s a weed anyone could grow if they wanted to, so no one would buy it if they could grow it legally themselves? If marijuana were legal, would farmers be able to grow hemp for use in manufacturing? Would the hemp replace cotton? If marijuana were legal, couldn’t there still be restrictions, like not driving under the influence? What would be the effect on the frequency of drug-related crime? Who benefits by keeping it illegal? What damage would legalization cause, and to whom?

  • Been There June 8, 2011 (4:37 pm)

    As of yesterday evening, the signs along Avalon had already been destroyed by someone else & were left as trash for neighbors or city staff, aka as your tax dollars, to clean up. This happens with almost any blanket signage/advertising blitz.

  • CandrewB June 8, 2011 (4:50 pm)

    Don’t worry sign slashers, the adults will clean up after you.

  • waman June 8, 2011 (4:54 pm)

    Wonder what Rob McKenna’s view on this is?

  • Concerned Athlete June 8, 2011 (4:54 pm)

    Please, as posted before…If anyone knows of any organizations or groups that are anti-marijuana, I will contribute any funds to sponsor a protest or rally against these clinics.

  • Concerned Athlete June 8, 2011 (5:01 pm)

    When will you all realize that this is for profit only. Smoking is very bad for your lungs. Im not saying prescription pills are better…but I dont take anything for pain. Americans feel entitled and think they dont have to obey laws especially if the punishment is light. If you told a man with no morals, that the average sentence for a killing was 1 year in jail, there would be a lot of dead people. Make harsher penalties for illegal crimes. Dont make a mockery of our laws whether you think they are wrong or right. Law is Law

  • CandrewB June 8, 2011 (5:13 pm)

    You have to fight stupid with stupid. When the law itself is a mockery, and addressing it with respect gets you no where, this is the result. Mendocino County is the result. Speakeasy’s are the result.

  • Miranda June 8, 2011 (5:15 pm)

    My solution to the conflict would be adding not one but TWO needed businesses, side-by-side.

    People need options, so if they do not have access to proper medical care like acupuncture for their pain, they may find relief with prescription (MM) or illegal marijuana. I am against the use of the use of marijuana because, in my experience with patients, it depletes the body-mind of yang energy. This is a reduction of will power, and thus a drain on everyone. An MM dispensary next door would bring an acupuncture clinic more business, because drugs are what’s got all the attention these days. But what Really helps pain? Acupuncture.

    Community acupuncture visits costing one tenth of a MM prescription, are an effective way to address the problem of pain in individuals. Acupuncture actually increases blood circulation and begins to heal the area in pain while the body-mind is instantly relieved of pain. Acupuncture also relieves glaucoma, emotional problems, helps with breathing problems in end stage lung cancer and makes chemo work better. In my opinion, acupuncture is a more sensible option than marijuana, and so if there is another nearby business location where you would like to see a pain clinic available without a prescription, I would be happy to bring my colleagues together to discuss starting community acupuncture near your Marijuana Dispensary (or M.D.). We just need a large room where we can have recliners or reclining folding chairs. People remain clothed, as we can treat the whole body from the extremities (arms, legs, scalp). People who get regular acupuncture are more likely to get and stay sober. They also remain active users of their body-mind.

    J Miranda Taylor, EAMP, L.Ac, M.TCM.
    Gesundheit Acupuncture and Herbs PLLC

    Gesundheit! “Getting people happy and off drugs, one pharmaceutical at a time.”

  • maplesyrup June 8, 2011 (5:19 pm)

    So what if it’s for profit only, Concerned Athlete?

    You don’t have to smoke it, why do you care if other people do?

  • Estd1973 June 8, 2011 (7:09 pm)

    If marijuana is truly a powerful medicine, sell it in a controlled fashion by prescription at a pharmacy. If it is as harmless as alcohol, sell it at the liquor store. But these stores popping up are the seedy equivalent of check cashing stores, dirty book stores, or strip clubs, they reek of for-profit undesirable business practices, trying to make money under the guise of helping geriatrics with cataracts barely making it into the store with their walkers trying to get their medicine so they can see or walk without pain. But really most of their customers are just skirting the law trying to get high.

  • Bill June 8, 2011 (8:51 pm)

    What I object to are the graffitti-like signs. I could care less one way or the other about the “benefits” and “enjoyment” factors of pot. If I throw my litter or garbage all over the public right of way, I’m liable for a littering fine. And it’s okay to pound stakes in the ground and make your brand of litter somehow fashionably acceptable and (barf) legal?

    Lura (10:03 a.m. and Been There (2:20 p.m.) have the most intelligent comments.

  • Jsv June 8, 2011 (9:31 pm)

    Miranda, I just happened to run in to a guy in White Center who is doing that very thing! 9126 is the name of the place, couple shops down from Full Tilt. It’s a MM dispensary, art gallery and community acupuncture clinic. Really nice people running it.

  • Paul June 8, 2011 (10:11 pm)

    “If it is as harmless as alcohol” ?? I don’t drink or smoke but I can clearly see the hypocrisy in keeping this plant illegal even for non medical reasons. We might as well travel back in time and burn witches. oh but it’s ok to pop those pills cause the big old FDA says it’s ok even if it will kill your liver or give you a stroke!!,,,givme a break. Also interesting to see you can’t grow marijuana but I see poppy flowers all around ( can you say opium )

    … As for the signs, I dunno Is it much different than all the crooked politicians with there sneaky back door deals and tax payer paid vacations that post there little “vote for me I can make a difference” signs around election times?

    I’m not a sheep, I’m a wolf

  • thelmasue June 8, 2011 (10:24 pm)

    i am an ovarian cancer patient and just on saturday visited a medical marijuana dispensary for the first time. i have a “prescription” from my doctor. i have tried many things to deal with the side effects of chemo, and continue to try all the options available. i use pharmaceuticals, naturopathic supplements, acupuncture, medical qigong, meditation, affirmations and, now, marijuana – though it is a bit mystifying how to use it to best effect.
    i feel lucky to have all these options available – even if the only one insurance pays for is the pharmaceuticals. oh well. people who are so against this option might not be if they actually needed what it has to offer.

  • Bill June 8, 2011 (10:31 pm)

    Hey, Paul, after election time at least the city’s Department of Transportation crews go out and clean up all the litter. (I used to do it in college). Everyone else’s posted garbage stays hanging on fences, empty building walls, nailed on trees, yadda-yadda, until the weathering elements make it limp and useless like the people who put it all up there in the first place.

  • Paul June 8, 2011 (10:43 pm)

    oh Bill cmon this is all because it’s a sign for marijuana. If it were for Dominos wsb would not have even reported it,,yadda-yadda. So your saying the tax payer is paying for their cleanup,,glad to hear my money is making a difference…on a side note let’s start taxing churches

  • austin June 9, 2011 (6:15 am)

    Who is really going all the way out to gig harbor to get a pot rec?

  • Demosthenes June 9, 2011 (9:51 am)

    Today is the day to come show support for growers in the PNW who are not receiving receipted compensation from rip-ops.

    Thank you and we hope to see you there.:)

  • My Eye June 9, 2011 (10:54 am)

    I’m finding it really surprising that everyone is rushing to the defense of the clearly illegal signs. Advertising that for only $150 you too can inhale carcinogens under the pretext of ambigous symtoms does not help your cause.

    Also very releived to hear that the new dispensary on 35th is being run by a couple fellows with such resounding medical credentials. And so glad that he’s learned his lesson in that multiple security devices are required for his completely safe non-crime attracting business.

    Thanks Stoners!

  • thedarby June 9, 2011 (12:56 pm)

    Wow, the amount of hatred towards a plant is amazing. I see now that a list of people on this thread have been brainwashed to believe the propaganda of lies that have been told for years about marijuana in order to keep oil, cotton and pharma going big. Not ONLY that Prohibition at it’s root is racist. There is not one death caused by marijuana, how many a day die from alcohol even oxygen will kill you. Tell me how can you continue to lie to the children and teach them that it is ok to lie. Once you tell one lie they will NEVER trust you again. I stand firmly in my opinions since they are backed by valid research. IN the last few months many publications have become available to the public showing how the govt has lied and cheated us into a failed policy. Did we not learn from our past? Prohibition literally kills thousands of people a day. How can you continue to allow such disgrace. Innocent people are in jail because of prohibition. I haven’t even started how we can use hemp if it weren’t prohibited. Seriously to deny the benefits of this plant, whether you call it pot hemp cannabis or marijuana it is all PROHIBITED. We can not generate an income for our state right now, teachers are having their pay cut or removed completely from teaching. We are cutting back on EMT and other emergency care workers, hospitals are laying off doctors. When will you see that this is wrong! It is all due to prohibition. The information is there, if you choose not to learn something new and be wise about our future then that’s on you. I blame you for the failure of our country.

  • John June 9, 2011 (12:56 pm)

    Miranda, what would you say to people who have tried acupuncture many times as well as physical therapy, massage, and chiropractic care, and still require medications to deal with their overwhelming daily pain? Would you then prefer they be on addictive and dangerous percocet?

    Furor scribendi and Concerned Athlete: if women were just now fighting for the right to vote or African Americans just now fighting for equal treatment under the law would you vehemently oppose their efforts because “the law is the law”? Some laws were built on misunderstandings and lies, and that’s just the way it is. That doesn’t mean a human should spend his or her short lifetime saying “oh well. I’ve been denied access to the natural world by long-dead elected officials. I’d better die not knowing freedom instead of changing the law…because the law is the law.” foolish nonsense.

  • thedarby June 9, 2011 (1:04 pm)

    The homeless go without eating. The elderly go without medicine. The mentally ill go without treatment. Troops go without proper equipment. Veterans go without benefits that were promised to them. Yet we give billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest 2% of Americans — those who need it least.

  • LOP June 9, 2011 (1:16 pm)

    Darby, Maplesyrup, etc. The issue is about people like you who selectively break the law for your own personal reward, all the while expecting the rest of us to back you up. Surprise! We don’t. Your arguments are thin, your factual basis non-existant, and you are a laughing stock. I personally know at least seven people whose lives were ruined by Pot; addicted, jobs gone and families torn in two, and several dead from choosing Pot over life. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Darby!
    Thelmasue, talk to your oncologist before you light up; he/she will have far better options than to pollute yourself with cannabis. Take it from me – – I’ve got MS. There are always better options than Pot.

  • khamel June 9, 2011 (2:36 pm)

    LOP, can you find me one death certificate that shows cannabis as a cause of death? No you can’t because in over ten thousand years of human use noone has ever died from it. You know seven people whoi have ruined their lives with cannabis? I know dozens whose doctors will tell you that the only reason they are still alive is because of cannabis. You want facts how about this, Cannabis was made illegal to stop industrial hemp. The main forces behind Cannabis prohibition were timber and oil companies who knew that they could never compete with Hemp. I guess you would rather ruin our planet by continuing to cut down our forests and drill holes in the earth than realize that the only harm associated with cannabis is actually caused by prohibition. How many people are killed in Mexico efveryday because we refuse to take this substance out of the black market and regulate it like any other substance? There is absolutely no constitutional basis for the Federal government to prohibit any substance, hence the constitutional AMENDMENT it took to prohibit alcohol. No such amendment made for cannabis. Just lies and propoganda to keep you scared. Well congrats feds,your doing a great job keeping the sheeple in line!

  • Bill June 9, 2011 (6:41 pm)

    Paul, read my posts regarding sign garbage in the general sense. I was talking about garbage signs all over the place, not those particular M/M signs. I include A-board signs, garage sale signs, signs of all stripes. Youth sports, furnace installation, yadda-yadda

  • maplesyrup June 9, 2011 (7:22 pm)

    LOP I don’t smoke pot but I support the people who are following the state law instead of the federal law. People in this state and others voted to make medical marijuana legal and the federal government is trying to enforce a law against the wishes of the people of this state. Why is that?

    But, ok, let me know which arguments are thin and non-factual. Maybe I can help you understand.

  • thelmasue June 9, 2011 (10:08 pm)

    LOP, i did talk to my oncologist about pot; she is the one who signed my paperwork. duh. i wouldn’t make a move without getting her input. that’s why she’s my doctor. luckily, she is open-minded and willing to work with a team that includes acupuncturists, naturopaths and traditional chinese medicine doctors. i am unbelievably lucky. and still amazed that no one besides you who has commented on this thread, seems to have any personal stake in the use of medical marijuana.
    or maybe this is just about signs?

    p.s., as it’s been explained to me, one of the strangely weird things about all this is that no one who grows or sells medical marijuana is technically allowed to “make a profit.” so it’s not just about profits, apparently. i don’t understand this quite, but that’s what i’ve heard.

    if i wasn’t so busy fighting cancer, maybe i’d look it up, heh.

  • Branden June 10, 2011 (7:38 am)

    I would fire your ‘oncologist’ as she sounds like another hippy fraud – seriously people, it’s 2011, time to learn a little medical science. Traditional chinese medicine is as valid as psychics.

    The people of WA and dozens of other states have approved the use of pot to treat certain conditions. This is not because of lobbying by drug companies. Scientific studies have shown pot can help (although it doesnt have to be smoked, more effective treatments are under study with pill form).

  • furor scribendi June 10, 2011 (9:55 am)

    M’syrup, and others, your facts are a sticky, and you prove your own self-deception: you selectively ignore federal law, which trumps state law, which shows you think you’re above the law. Also, death certificates can list the effects, not the single point cause, of death. You’ll never see one that says “Cause of Death: Cigarettes”, or “Beer”, etc., either.

    Thelmasue, find a board certified MD oncologist and get some real treatment if you really have cancer.

  • maplesyrup June 10, 2011 (10:24 am)

    Ok, I acknowledge that I support civil disobedience against the federal law. So did the majority of people in this state and in 18 other states.

    Now can you tell me which facts are “sticky” (I’m not even sure what that means)?

  • thedarby June 12, 2011 (1:46 am)

    Very well said Maplesyrup

  • thedarby June 12, 2011 (2:06 am)

    Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose. According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, “The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. … It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat … than alcohol or tobacco.”

    Marijuana’s therapeutic uses are well-documented in modern scientific literature. The studies indicate that marijuana provides symptomatic relief for a number of medical conditions, including nausea and vomiting, stimulating appetite, promoting weight gain, and diminishing intraocular pressure from glaucoma. There is also evidence that smoked marijuana and/or THC reduces muscle spasticity from spinal cord injuries and multiple sclerosis, and diminishes tremors in multiple sclerosis patients. Patients and physicians have also reported that smoked marijuana provides relief from migraine headaches, depression, seizures, insomnia and chronic pain, among other conditions.

    Reference materials on marijuana as medicine:

    the only association it has with crime IS PROHIBITION he is how: Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.

    The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You’ll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.

    You’ll also see that the history of marijuana’s criminalization is filled with:

    Protection of Corporate Profits
    Yellow Journalism
    Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
    Personal Career Advancement and Greed
    These are the actual reasons marijuana is illegal.

    For most of human history, marijuana has been completely legal. It’s not a recently discovered plant, nor is it a long-standing law. Marijuana has been illegal for less than 1% of the time that it’s been in use. Its known uses go back further than 7,000 B.C. and it was legal as recently as when Ronald Reagan was a boy.

    The marijuana (hemp) plant, of course, has an incredible number of uses. The earliest known woven fabric was apparently of hemp, and over the centuries the plant was used for food, incense, cloth, rope, and much more. This adds to some of the confusion over its introduction in the United States, as the plant was well known from the early 1600′s, but did not reach public awareness as a recreational drug until the early 1900′s.

    America’s first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law “ordering” all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other “must grow” laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender (you could even pay your taxes with hemp — try that today!) Hemp was such a critical crop for a number of purposes (including essential war requirements – rope, etc.) that the government went out of its way to encourage growth.

    The United States Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp “plantations” (minimum 2,000-acre farm) growing cannabis hemp for cloth, canvas and even the cordage used for baling cotton.

    The Mexican Connection

    In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. The revolution in Mexico in 1910 spilled over the border, with General Pershing’s army clashing with bandit Pancho Villa. Later in that decade, bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.

    One of the “differences” seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing “preparations of hemp, or loco weed.”

    However, one of the first state laws outlawing marijuana may have been influenced, not just by Mexicans using the drug, but, oddly enough, because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church’s reaction to this may have contributed to the state’s marijuana law. (Note: the source for this speculation is from articles by Charles Whitebread, Professor of Law at USC Law School in a paper for the Virginia Law Review, and a speech to the California Judges Association (sourced below). Mormon blogger Ardis Parshall disputes this.)

    Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.

    When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator’s comment: “When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff… he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies.” In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”

    Jazz and Assassins

    In the eastern states, the “problem” was attributed to a combination of Latin Americans and black jazz musicians. Marijuana and jazz traveled from New Orleans to Chicago, and then to Harlem, where marijuana became an indispensable part of the music scene, even entering the language of the black hits of the time (Louis Armstrong’s “Muggles”, Cab Calloway’s “That Funny Reefer Man”, Fats Waller’s “Viper’s Drag”).

    Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: “Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice.”

    Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the “assassins.” Early stories of Marco Polo had told of “hasheesh-eaters” or hashashin, from which derived the term “assassin.” In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler’s garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler’s wishes with cool, calculating loyalty.

    By the 1930s, the story had changed. Dr. A. E. Fossier wrote in the 1931 New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal: “Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp.” Within a very short time, marijuana started being linked to violent behavior.

    Alcohol Prohibition and Federal Approaches to Drug Prohibition

    During this time, the United States was also dealing with alcohol prohibition, which lasted from 1919 to 1933. Alcohol prohibition was extremely visible and debated at all levels, while drug laws were passed without the general public’s knowledge. National alcohol prohibition happened through the mechanism of an amendment to the constitution.

    Earlier (1914), the Harrison Act was passed, which provided federal tax penalties for opiates and cocaine.

    The federal approach is important. It was considered at the time that the federal government did not have the constitutional power to outlaw alcohol or drugs. It is because of this that alcohol prohibition required a constitutional amendment.

    At that time in our country’s history, the judiciary regularly placed the tenth amendment in the path of congressional regulation of “local” affairs, and direct regulation of medical practice was considered beyond congressional power under the commerce clause (since then, both provisions have been weakened so far as to have almost no meaning).

    Since drugs could not be outlawed at the federal level, the decision was made to use federal taxes as a way around the restriction. In the Harrison Act, legal uses of opiates and cocaine were taxed (supposedly as a revenue need by the federal government, which is the only way it would hold up in the courts), and those who didn’t follow the law found themselves in trouble with the treasury department.

    In 1930, a new division in the Treasury Department was established — the Federal Bureau of Narcotics — and Harry J. Anslinger was named director. This, if anything, marked the beginning of the all-out war against marijuana.

    Harry J. Anslinger

    Anslinger was an extremely ambitious man, and he recognized the Bureau of Narcotics as an amazing career opportunity — a new government agency with the opportunity to define both the problem and the solution. He immediately realized that opiates and cocaine wouldn’t be enough to help build his agency, so he latched on to marijuana and started to work on making it illegal at the federal level.

    Anslinger immediately drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to the problem he wanted to create. He also promoted and frequently read from “Gore Files” — wild reefer-madness-style exploitation tales of ax murderers on marijuana and sex and… Negroes. Here are some quotes that have been widely attributed to Anslinger and his Gore Files:

    “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

    “…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

    “Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

    “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

    “Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

    “You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

    “Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

    And he loved to pull out his own version of the “assassin” definition:

    “In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs’ ‘hashashin’ that we have the English word ‘assassin.’”
    Yellow Journalism

    Harry Anslinger got some additional help from William Randolf Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers. Hearst had lots of reasons to help. First, he hated Mexicans. Second, he had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn’t want to see the development of hemp paper in competition. Third, he had lost 800,000 acres of timberland to Pancho Villa, so he hated Mexicans. Fourth, telling lurid lies about Mexicans (and the devil marijuana weed causing violence) sold newspapers, making him rich.

    Some samples from the San Francisco Examiner:

    “Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days — Hashish goads users to bloodlust.”

    “By the tons it is coming into this country — the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms…. Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him….”

    And other nationwide columns…

    “Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug.”

    “Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim’s life in Los Angeles?… THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES — that is a matter of cold record.”

    Hearst and Anslinger were then supported by Dupont chemical company and various pharmaceutical companies in the effort to outlaw cannabis. Dupont had patented nylon, and wanted hemp removed as competition. The pharmaceutical companies could neither identify nor standardize cannabis dosages, and besides, with cannabis, folks could grow their own medicine and not have to purchase it from large companies.

    This all set the stage for…

    The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.

    After two years of secret planning, Anslinger brought his plan to Congress — complete with a scrapbook full of sensational Hearst editorials, stories of ax murderers who had supposedly smoked marijuana, and racial slurs.

    It was a remarkably short set of hearings.

    The one fly in Anslinger’s ointment was the appearance by Dr. William C. Woodward, Legislative Council of the American Medical Association.

    Woodward started by slamming Harry Anslinger and the Bureau of Narcotics for distorting earlier AMA statements that had nothing to do with marijuana and making them appear to be AMA endorsement for Anslinger’s view.

    He also reproached the legislature and the Bureau for using the term marijuana in the legislation and not publicizing it as a bill about cannabis or hemp. At this point, marijuana (or marihuana) was a sensationalist word used to refer to Mexicans smoking a drug and had not been connected in most people’s minds to the existing cannabis/hemp plant. Thus, many who had legitimate reasons to oppose the bill weren’t even aware of it.

    Woodward went on to state that the AMA was opposed to the legislation and further questioned the approach of the hearings, coming close to outright accusation of misconduct by Anslinger and the committee:

    “That there is a certain amount of narcotic addiction of an objectionable character no one will deny. The newspapers have called attention to it so prominently that there must be some grounds for [their] statements [even Woodward was partially taken in by Hearst’s propaganda]. It has surprised me, however, that the facts on which these statements have been based have not been brought before this committee by competent primary evidence. We are referred to newspaper publications concerning the prevalence of marihuana addiction. We are told that the use of marihuana causes crime.

    But yet no one has been produced from the Bureau of Prisons to show the number of prisoners who have been found addicted to the marihuana habit. An informed inquiry shows that the Bureau of Prisons has no evidence on that point.

    You have been told that school children are great users of marihuana cigarettes. No one has been summoned from the Children’s Bureau to show the nature and extent of the habit, among children.

    Inquiry of the Children’s Bureau shows that they have had no occasion to investigate it and know nothing particularly of it.

    Inquiry of the Office of Education— and they certainly should know something of the prevalence of the habit among the school children of the country, if there is a prevalent habit— indicates that they have had no occasion to investigate and know nothing of it.

    Moreover, there is in the Treasury Department itself, the Public Health Service, with its Division of Mental Hygiene. The Division of Mental Hygiene was, in the first place, the Division of Narcotics. It was converted into the Division of Mental Hygiene, I think, about 1930. That particular Bureau has control at the present time of the narcotics farms that were created about 1929 or 1930 and came into operation a few years later. No one has been summoned from that Bureau to give evidence on that point.

    Informal inquiry by me indicates that they have had no record of any marihuana of Cannabis addicts who have ever been committed to those farms.

    The bureau of Public Health Service has also a division of pharmacology. If you desire evidence as to the pharmacology of Cannabis, that obviously is the place where you can get direct and primary evidence, rather than the indirect hearsay evidence.”

    Committee members then proceeded to attack Dr. Woodward, questioning his motives in opposing the legislation. Even the Chairman joined in:

    The Chairman: If you want to advise us on legislation, you ought to come here with some constructive proposals, rather than criticism, rather than trying to throw obstacles in the way of something that the Federal Government is trying to do. It has not only an unselfish motive in this, but they have a serious responsibility.

    Dr. Woodward: We cannot understand yet, Mr. Chairman, why this bill should have been prepared in secret for 2 years without any intimation, even, to the profession, that it was being prepared.

    After some further bantering…

    The Chairman: I would like to read a quotation from a recent editorial in the Washington Times:

    The marihuana cigarette is one of the most insidious of all forms of dope, largely because of the failure of the public to understand its fatal qualities.

    The Nation is almost defenseless against it, having no Federal laws to cope with it and virtually no organized campaign for combating it.

    The result is tragic.

    School children are the prey of peddlers who infest school neighborhoods.

    High school boys and girls buy the destructive weed without knowledge of its capacity of harm, and conscienceless dealers sell it with impunity.

    This is a national problem, and it must have national attention.

    The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a deadly drug, and American children must be protected against it.

    That is a pretty severe indictment. They say it is a national question and that it requires effective legislation. Of course, in a general way, you have responded to all of these statements; but that indicates very clearly that it is an evil of such magnitude that it is recognized by the press of the country as such.

    And that was basically it. Yellow journalism won over medical science.

    The committee passed the legislation on. And on the floor of the house, the entire discussion was:

    Member from upstate New York: “Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?”

    Speaker Rayburn: “I don’t know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it’s a narcotic of some kind.”

    “Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?”

    Member on the committee jumps up and says: “Their Doctor Wentworth[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent.”

    And on the basis of that lie, on August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level.

    The entire coverage in the New York Times: “President Roosevelt signed today a bill to curb traffic in the narcotic, marihuana, through heavy taxes on transactions.”

    Anslinger as precursor to the Drug Czars

    Anslinger was essentially the first Drug Czar. Even though the term didn’t exist until William Bennett’s position as director of the White House Office of National Drug Policy, Anslinger acted in a similar fashion. In fact, there are some amazing parallels between Anslinger and the current Drug Czar John Walters. Both had kind of a carte blanche to go around demonizing drugs and drug users. Both had resources and a large public podium for their voice to be heard and to promote their personal agenda. Both lied constantly, often when it was unnecessary. Both were racists. Both had the ear of lawmakers, and both realized that they could persuade legislators and others based on lies, particularly if they could co-opt the media into squelching or downplaying any opposition views.

    Anslinger even had the ability to circumvent the First Amendment. He banned the Canadian movie “Drug Addict,” a 1946 documentary that realistically depicted the drug addicts and law enforcement efforts. He even tried to get Canada to ban the movie in their own country, or failing that, to prevent U.S. citizens from seeing the movie in Canada. Canada refused. (Today, Drug Czar John Walters is trying to bully Canada into keeping harsh marijuana laws.)

    Anslinger had 37 years to solidify the propaganda and stifle opposition. The lies continued the entire time (although the stories would adjust — the 21 year old Florida boy who killed his family of five got younger each time he told it). In 1961, he looked back at his efforts:

    “Much of the most irrational juvenile violence and that has written a new chapter of shame and tragedy is traceable directly to this hemp intoxication. A gang of boys tear the clothes from two school girls and rape the screaming girls, one boy after the other. A sixteen-year-old kills his entire family of five in Florida, a man in Minnesota puts a bullet through the head of a stranger on the road; in Colorado husband tries to shoot his wife, kills her grandmother instead and then kills himself. Every one of these crimes had been proceeded [sic] by the smoking of one or more marijuana “reefers.” As the marijuana situation grew worse, I knew action had to be taken to get the proper legislation passed. By 1937 under my direction, the Bureau launched two important steps First, a legislative plan to seek from Congress a new law that would place marijuana and its distribution directly under federal control. Second, on radio and at major forums, such that presented annually by the New York Herald Tribune, I told the story of this evil weed of the fields and river beds and roadsides. I wrote articles for magazines; our agents gave hundreds of lectures to parents, educators, social and civic leaders. In network broadcasts I reported on the growing list of crimes, including murder and rape. I described the nature of marijuana and its close kinship to hashish. I continued to hammer at the facts.

    I believe we did a thorough job, for the public was alerted and the laws to protect them were passed, both nationally and at the state level. We also brought under control the wild growing marijuana in this country. Working with local authorities, we cleaned up hundreds of acres of marijuana and we uprooted plants sprouting along the roadsides.”

    After Anslinger

    On a break from college in the 70s, I was visiting a church in rural Illinois. There in the literature racks in the back of the church was a lurid pamphlet about the evils of marijuana — all the old reefer madness propaganda about how it caused insanity and murder. I approached the minister and said “You can’t have this in your church. It’s all lies, and the church shouldn’t be about promoting lies.” Fortunately, my dad believed me, and he had the material removed. He didn’t even know how it got there. But without me speaking up, neither he nor the other members of the church had any reason NOT to believe what the pamphlet said. The propaganda machine had been that effective.

    The narrative since then has been a continual litany of:

    Politicians wanting to appear tough on crime and passing tougher penalties
    Constant increases in spending on law enforcement and prisons
    Racist application of drug laws
    Taxpayer funded propaganda
    Stifling of opposition speech
    Political contributions from corporations that profit from marijuana being illegal (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etc.)
    … but that’s another whole story.

    ” Black markets thrive because of demand, and will continue to do so. But what is the cost? In effect, the cultivation and distribution of marijuana has passed out of the hands of ordinary citizens, and into the hands of violent criminals. To openly defy law and go underground with equipment and resources to elude police forces, you need a lot of money. Who has adequate money, communications networks, and defense? You got it, organized crime.”

    is this enough or shall I continue? and yes I posted this same thing on another thread here well guess what It took me awhile to get this all typed out and it wasn’t easy, so blah on you yup I used my copy and paste! The info is relevant you can not deny that, to do so is ignorance or a supporter of Prohibition, some one who doesn’t want us to have our Civil Rights.

  • Sissy Friied June 12, 2011 (3:00 am)


    LOOK What A STICKY debate the West Side Bloggers are in ;-)

    I personally would rather be FAT than SMOKE Ciggarets,, and so i am…FAT! for now)
    I personally would like to die with dignity and grace, surrounded by friends and comforting things, like my plants that have kept the nerves in my body functioning properly after head and spine surgery.

    Next Month I will share my thoughts with the ‘Art Hippies’, not the ‘Bloggers,’ during my 3DAY art-ATTACK, nesseled in with the rest of west seattle arties @ Summerfest– I bet there won’t be one single scent of herb in the air.

    It is GOOD and HEALTHY to choose what is best for YOURSELF?! Agreed?? ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES <

    CLEARLY there are other signs posted around town for the Cannabis Crowd ;P I WILL USE THEM.

    please and thank you for your unwarranted judgment

  • thedarby June 12, 2011 (9:36 pm)

    Sensible Washington Money Bomb: An Urgent Call to Legalize Cannabis in 2011!

    “The pressure to legalize cannabis and change the political landscape across the nation has fallen squarely on us here in Washington State in 2011. With that pressure, we refuse to accept failure and are inclined to do what is necessary in order to ensure that the devastating effects of prohibition are put to an end. “

  • Dr Jake Felice June 15, 2011 (1:38 pm)

    Medical cannabis patients have a great need for legal dispensaries in Washington. In order to be effective medically, the genetic composition and the chemical make-up of cannabis must be known. Without laboratory resources from legal dispensaries, patients will continue to be left in the dark as to the true make up of their medicine.

    With legal access to dispensaries, many pain patients do not have to get high or stoned in order for them to have excellent pain control with cannabis. The best strains of cannabis for patients with intractable chronic pain for example, often contain low levels of the psychoactive THC, and high levels of another compound called CBD. With a knowledgeable physician, a good legal dispensary, proper genetic strain selection, and well chosen routes of administration, patients can maintain excellent pain control with very few side effects, and extremely low toxicity from this wonderful whole plant medicine. Without access to quality medicine, patients are rolling the dice in terms of what’s in their cannabis.

    Legal dispensaries are therefore needed to play an important role as enhancers of quality of the various types of cannabis including edibles and topical creams that are the mainstay of highly effective, non-toxic pain control.

    Without legal dispensaries, there is a quality gap, and it is the most sick among us who are likely to suffer.

  • thelmasue June 15, 2011 (6:34 pm)

    wow, branden, what an incredibly hateful thing to say. may you some day learn a little compassion.

  • CD June 15, 2011 (7:13 pm)

    Will they be consuming the MMJ on site? I am nervous to have individuals under the influence then getting in their cars to drive and leave the facility.

  • ArroyoRes June 17, 2011 (9:17 pm)

    I have thought about this issue for quite some time as i’ve got a son who has used the stuff for many years. I am quite conservative by nature and sometimes I feel as though I am swimming in a sea of liberal ideas and values which clash with mine. However, with this issue of ‘pot’ and this place where it will be distributed which is quite near our home is not very bothersome to me. For one, my son who uses this stuff is the one son who actually comes to visit his father. He has a fantastic job with computers and i’m pretty sure his friends use the stuff. But they are all just quite friendly and i’ve come to lighten on the issue over the years. As of now i’m far more concerned with the driving habits of my fellow neighbors who rip through stop signs, talk on there phones while driving, and speeding through the school 20 mph zones. I don’t condone signs littering my neighborhood of any kind however!

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