West Seattle Crime Watch: The Alki shooting police report

While at the Southwest Precinct late last night looking at reports including the Morgan Junction anti-gay vandalism case (WSB coverage here), we also found the police report from Friday night’s Alki shooting. Not all of the 44-page report is public, but there are a few additional details of interest – read on:

Southwest Precinct Capt. Joe Kessler had mentioned during our interview yesterday about Alki police presence (read the story here) that the 19-year-old shooting victim was not from West Seattle; the Rainier Valley address on the police report confirms that. The report also says he is known to police as a gang member.

We had already reported that the SPD Gang Unit was taking the lead in the shooting, which it appears now the victim will survive (police told us yesterday that he’s in “stable condition”); the police report also quotes one of more than a dozen witnesses as saying that he observed people inside a vehicle in the area “flashing what he believed to be gang signs … he felt that ‘something bad’ was about to happen.”

Multiple witness accounts in the report describe a group of young men standing by the northeast corner of the Pepperdock Restaurant (left side of the photo above) just before the shooting, which was then described in the report:

(One) witness stated he then heard two gun shots in slow succession and immediately hit the floor … he then stood up and observed one of the males on the northeast corner of Pepperdock holding a flat black possibly semiautomatic handgun. … witness stated he then saw the gun fire three more times rapidly.

Another witness heard “a total of 6-7 shots.” The descriptions of the group of young men, who then were reported to have taken off running southbound toward Whale Tail/Alki Playfield (as reported in our original coverage), vary dramatically; the running itself was the main common thread. One witness said the group was “laughing” while running; another thought the group had been smoking marijuana before the shooting.

The report goes on to describe one witness seeing the victim being “tended to” on the water side of the street before “his associates placed him into the back of a black Chevrolet Impala … which was initially parked westbound on Alki, and after the victim was placed in it, the vehicle made a U-turn and drove eastbound.”

One witness memorized the license plate number, which helped police stop the vehicle and two others near Seacrest. While the victim was taken to the hospital, the drivers of the other two vehicles gave police consent to search their vehicles. The report says a handgun was found in one of those vehicles “but it was unclear if this handgun as related to the shooting.” The six people who were in the various vehicles were taken downtown for questioning.

So far, no arrests reported. As we have mentioned in the past few days, you can expect Southwest Precinct leadership to discuss this case – and anything else you want to ask about – at upcoming community meetings, including the West Seattle Crime Prevention Council at 7 pm May 19, precinct meeting room, and Alki Community Council at 7 pm May 21, Alki Community Center.

22 Replies to "West Seattle Crime Watch: The Alki shooting police report"

  • datamuse May 5, 2009 (3:56 pm)

    Sigh.

  • bob vila May 5, 2009 (4:06 pm)

    this exact thing happened about 15 years ago in the same exact place.
    i was down on alki on the water side and some gang members across the street at the same intersection began shooting (8-10 shots) at a rival gang towards the water.
    luckily they missed everyone on the beach, only hitting the intended target in the crotch. the kids then took off running towards the school and got away.
    seems like we never learn from the past.

  • M May 5, 2009 (4:17 pm)

    I wonder if us residents should explore the idea of hiring our own security service to help patrol in the summer. Just a thought. Sounds like SPD doesn’t have the extra money (!) to add additional resources (previous article)

  • I had heard May 5, 2009 (4:18 pm)

    Maybe someday the police will actually SOLVE a crime…that would be unique! So far the bank robber (Key bank) got away. This Alki shooter got away. The shooter up in the Junction (in front of the pizza place earlier in the year) got away. The anti-gay vandalism case mentioned above will never be ‘solved’. There are days I wonder why the hell we even have police, except to give out traffic tickets and fill out forms after something bad happens.

  • Pete May 5, 2009 (4:40 pm)

    or maybe we as the public can do things to take back our streets and not always think it is up to someone else. Who do these kids belong to that are involved? What kind of parenting skills do they possess? We need to look at some of the root causes of these continuing crimes and not continue to think that we can even come close to solving this issue after it has happened and the person that committed the crime is caught. All we do then is put them in jail (maybe) and think this will solve the issue. I for one am very hoepful that the new Youth Violence Initiative will bear some fruit along this line. We have to solve the underlying causes before we can expect things to start improving. Everyone should become involved in their community and figure out how they can help make there community a better place and this starts one volunteer hour here, helping your neighbor there and before you know we will start to see change in our world that is positive.

  • wrong May 5, 2009 (5:30 pm)

    I agree with pete re: underlying causes. I disagree with blaming the police. They didn’t start the crimes mentioned yet its always their fault somehow. Trust me the minute you needed the police and they weren’t there you would learn to appreciate their service to our community.

  • Been here a long time May 5, 2009 (6:24 pm)

    Pete, Thank you. I have said very much the same thing in other forums. It’s our neighborhood, and we are the ones who make it what it is.
    There are many ways the community can be involved to take back it’s streets. Adopt a street; neighborhood clean-up projects; take back the street fest; tagging removal; and other public involvement.
    Yes police bike patrols will help. They were here in the 90’s.
    If you see a tag, photograph it, let the gang unit know, and then paint over it.
    For many of you, this is the first shooting Alki has had. But other post have said, there was one 15 years ago. I totally forgot about that one. Well, I am almost 80.
    We are luckier then other places. One shooting in 15 years? I still feel safe in OUR neighborhood.
    May the unafraid enjoy Alki like always.

  • star55 May 5, 2009 (7:38 pm)

    Maybe we don’t have all of the information that the police have in solving these crimes. It takes time with the court rules to get subpeona’s and track down information. This code of silence is also a major issue in solving crimes. Remember that the police do not commit the crimes….. Where are these kids getting the guns??? Maybe that should be looked into.
    Finally, when was the last time we thank the police for putting themselves in the line of duty to keep us safe.

  • West Seattle Resident May 5, 2009 (8:40 pm)

    I agree with star55. Blaming the police for gang activity is not the answer. More community support for the police and taking back our own neighborhoods is the answer. All I need do is remember the poor officer who was shot in the head in White Center, doing his life’s work while serving our community. Let’s get together and take back Alki!

  • Chris May 6, 2009 (12:31 am)

    As a long time WS resident and a frequent visitor to Alki I am disgusted with what I see every time I visit our beach. While picking up my dogs waste I dodge gangs of blacks, asian, whites and russian all down there to do nothing more but to cause trouble. I have heard warinings on other blogs telling us (WS residents) to watch out cause this summer is going to be rough for gang activity on Alki. Lets take a page from our brothers and sister in Belltown and organize a citizen led group to walk Alki and take our beach back!!!!!!!!! Between us and the SPD we can have a safe place.

  • living in west seattle since 1985 May 6, 2009 (12:38 am)

    I like your thinking West Seattle Resident! “Taking Alki back” is easier said than done. We have to find a way to get organized in a meaningful way. If people want to make change, we need a block watch or citizen patrol. Citizen patrols are popular in other neighborhoods. Neighborhood watches have been shown to work well. It all just depends on what the people of Alki and the larger West Seattle want to do.

    We also need to think about what Alki is. Its a party stop; restaurants, bars and bon-fires all summer tend to attract lots of people. What are we willing to put up with as locals and what just comes with the territory of living near a social hot spot?

  • living in west seattle since 1985 May 6, 2009 (12:46 am)

    Chris, are you sure they are real “gangs” or just kids hanging out? Kids hanging out/ loitering are a pain sometimes. There is a huge differance though.

  • I had heard May 6, 2009 (7:37 am)

    Yes, the police have already said the shooting victim is a known gang member. Meaning almost certainly the shooter was too (rival gang). I know, you shouldn’t assume every bunch of kids you see are in a gang, but in this case it was gangs.

    -sigh-

    It’s not about ‘blaming’ the police for there BEING violence. For crying out loud. It’s about being annoyed that they don’t CATCH these folks. Let me know if they do. Generally these gang shootings are never caught and never will be because the gang members don’t talk so the police have nothing to go on.

    What WOULD be nice is if they had something LIKE that big police RV they used to park down on Alki for those 14 hot sunny weekends on Fri/Sat nights. I know they said it was old and had to be put down, but get a new one or just put it there as a ‘prop’…it had a nice psychological effect.

    I appreciate the talk about the parenting…but that’s a generational issue and doesn’t help in the next 20 years.

    I appreciate the talk about ‘where they get the guns’, but the answer is illegally. Probably bought it from a kid at their high school. If you’re going to try to murder someone (which by the way is illegal), and belong to a gang, don’t ya think they might break the law getting the gun too? Probably.

    I appreciate the citizens taking ‘responsibility’. Great! Works for block watches and car prowling…but exactly how does that help for gangs with guns? Especially since most of the comments on here lean toward the idea of restricting/banning guns, the police are then the ONLY ones with guns or equipment that can face down a group of gang members who are mostly armed.

    The point of my little rant, is that I’d love to discuss some practical solutions. As everyone said, the police can’t solve everything FOR us. The citizens block watches aren’t really effective in stopping something like gang violence. What is the best thing we can do?

  • WSB May 6, 2009 (7:44 am)

    The “known gang member” part is in this story. The police report was very specific, with the name of the gang and the 19-year-old’s street name. We are not publishing either one as it’s generally perceived that, like showing photos of vandals’ tags, that’s publicity they might actually revel in — although there are exceptions, such as the recent request from police for us to show the tags left on Chief Sealth’s (permanent) building after a costly, damaging break-in/vandalism crime – TR

  • Mike May 6, 2009 (8:17 am)

    Anyone notice two more kids shot in the back from across the street recently… this time in Ranier Valley. I assume it’s retaliation for the Alki shooting. Same time of night too.

  • alki_2008 May 6, 2009 (2:35 pm)

    My concern with a lot of the conversations in comments is that people seem to thin Alki should be restricting non-residents from hanging out in Alki. Alki beach is only as valuable as it is because it’s a “destination”. I don’t believe in a goal of restricting people from coming to Alki, just restricting troublemakers from coming here.
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    I know it’s loud and crowded when it’s sunny, and I don’t like picking beer cans/bottles from my property…but that’s part of living Alki, and I accepted those things when I chose to live in Alki. Those types of things are ‘annoyances’, and are on a completely different level than gangs and violence of the type that occurred last week.
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    As others have said…the targeted victims of gang violence are not going to help the police solve the crimes. We need cameras. Besides helping with cases like last week, it would help to identify taggers, car prowlers, abductors, and a host of other criminals that like to target crowded areas. Yes – it won’t stop the crimes from happening in the first place…but it would help with catching them afterwards and taking them off the streets, or at least making them realize that Alki isn’t an area where they can’t get away with crimes so easily.
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    And yes – I had the same thought as Mike when I heard about the shooting in Rainier last night. I too wondered if it was related to last week’s shooting at Alki.

  • Mario May 6, 2009 (4:14 pm)

    I agree with ‘I had heard’, the police could have had a larger presense on Alki. When the weather is nice, people flock to Alki and the police should have planned accordingly. Maybe it’s time to form the City of West Seattle, with our own competent police force. I wish Charlie Chong was still around.

  • bob vila May 6, 2009 (5:02 pm)

    its actually pretty easy.
    you make the consequences scary/harsh enough that these kids don’t think twice about breaking these laws. you steal u loose a finger, u do it again u loose a hand. you shoot someone, u get shot back. it seems to work in other countries, why not ours.
    fairly simple solution. problem is everyone breaks the law and they only want it enforced for others. “This is America, i should be able to do what i want.” sorry that is what laws are for, weather u like them or not, they are there to be followed, otherwise there are consequences. People these days can shoot others and are out of prison in 3 years(sounds real just).

  • WS May 6, 2009 (5:05 pm)

    I remember when I was about 6 years old coming out of the grocery store with my mom. We were getting in the car and there was a group of 4 guys nearby that must have said something not so very nice to her. She marches over to them, all 5′-2” and 110 pounds of her, grabs him by the ear, and makes him apologize. They were in their car and outta there before she could get back to our car.
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    Moral of the story – The people need to get involved!!!!!!!!
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    The Police don’t stop crime. They take pictures and arrest people after it happens.

  • alki_2008 May 6, 2009 (6:23 pm)

    @WS – if someone did something comparable nowadays, then they’d get their face bashed in. Let’s face it, people today don’t have the same kind of respect for others as they used to. It’s sad, but often true. Shame just doesn’t work as well as it used to.

  • bt May 7, 2009 (9:54 am)

    Hey WS, my Mom was like that too. She spotted the high school guys that would terrorize us grade school kids one day, stopped the car, and read them the riot act!

  • sarelly May 7, 2009 (1:07 pm)

    I wonder how many of these shootings/break-ins are related. Is it just me, or does it seem like there’s been an awful lot of crime in West Seattle in the past month or so? Like suddenly everyone just went nuts.

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